Posted on 01/17/2023 5:50:43 PM PST by Jonty30
When Hitler was running out of resources, because he outspent Germany's future, his action was to attack Poland.
So it makes me wonder if the reason for the war is that West has outspent its future and it wants the wealth of Russia to try and keep going.
Ukraine has an estimated $13 trillion in mineral wealth. Russia probably has hundreds of trillions in mineral stored in the lands that it isn't making use of, for whatever reason it has chosen to not take advantage of.
Of course it’s about the Ukraine’s resources. They are desired by both the nascent Fourth Reich and the resurgent Russian Empire.
These people don’t want to dig wealth out of the ground.
So THAT’s why Ukraine attacked Russia! I see.
Wait. What?
People get caught up in the prison of ideological perspectives. Human motivations are not caged by ideology and remain the same as they’ve always been. Once the basic needs are met, what humans crave above all is personal prestige. And the one surefire way of gaining long-lasting fame is the classic land grab.
Ideology - whether a claimed fear of the West or neo-Bolshevism on Putin’s part - is not why Putin invaded Ukraine. He did it to put himself on a bigger pedestal.
The role of ideology is to serve as motivation for the lower ranks, who have to risk their lives on the battlefield. Putin can hardly say that he’s doing this to make himself BMOC among the pantheon of Russian leaders. He’d be strung up before the day was done. So the invasion of Ukraine became an effort to offset the looming threat of NATO conquest, to turn back the inexorable advance of Satanism and globohomo. A simple message for a people steeped in imperial propaganda in an empire that, after all, is the territorial successor to the old Mongol Empire, on whose soil 90% of Russia exists, today.
Soros wants
Putin took the bait and invaded and NATO’s view is they can take Russia out for several hundred billion and no casualties. Putin collapses and a friendly puppet steps in and Russia joins as a subservient member of the U.S. hegemon, like the EU is. When you look at what we got for the trillions spent on GWOT, USA/NATO sees this as a deal of a lifetime.
There is far more mineral wealth in the world than in Ukraine.
The US alone has untold unexploited mineral wealth.
The real basis for actual wealth isn’t in minerals, but in people, and in the social/cultural/knowledge multipliers they possess. That’s why Taiwan or Japan or South Korea are much wealthier per capita than the PRC.
Ditto.
Why would the West go to war over natural resources when the environmentalist would NEVER allow them to mine or recover it? The Western model is to obtain raw resources from third world countries where the cost to mine them is minimal and nobody cares about the welfare of the laborers. China has taken over as the source via their Belt and Road Initiative and same thing - they can take the resources back to China, make things cheaply, and nobody cares about environmental or workplace safety concerns.
Your idea is sound in one respect though - China very much covets (and even has a historical ownership claim) Siberia. China shares a common border and the history of the region is muddled when you go back hundreds of years. Many Chinese feel that claims that old are still valid today. China would love to exploit the natural resources of China and they could build the infrastructure that Russia cannot afford.
War is often used to jumpstart economies.
FDR allowing/wanting Japan to attack pearl harbor, to give pretext for the american war machine to start producing and surge the economy, was one such incident.
November 18, 2022: U.S. aid to Ukraine totals $68 billion, and the White House has just asked Congress for another $37.7 billion. - https://www.csis.org/analysis/aid-ukraine-explained-six-charts
CNBC https://www.cnbc.com › 2022/12/24 › us-house-approv... Dec 24, 2022 — The U.S. House of Representatives gave final approval on Friday to a $45 billion aid package for Ukraine https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/24/us-house-approves-ukraine-aid-including-arms-after-zelenskyy-visit.html
The U.S. and Europe are running out of weapons to send to ... https://www.cnbc.com › 2022/09/28 › the-us-and-euro... Sep 28, 2022 — The U.S. Department of Defense has announced that the U.S. will be sending Ukraine another $270 million in security assistance, a package which . - https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/the-us-and-europe-are-running-out-of-weapons-to-send-to-ukraine.html
US hegemony is always at risk, especially if there is a counterweight of a strong, independent, non-globalist Russia sitting within Europe.
Thus it needed to be boxed in, and ideally “color-revolutionized.” That’s the long-term goal
If not, it would pull Europe, particularly Germany and everything east, away from NATO/US orbit.
Lol, OP was so close and yet so far away. The West wanting the “wealth” of Russia, ha ha. That would be like people from the Upper East Side sneaking over to the ghetto to steal their cars.
Your analogy doesn’t match up. Hitler was running out of resources, so he attacked Poland. Well, okay.
For your Poland/Russia analogy to hold, if the West is running out of resources, it should be attacking Russia. But no one is attacking Russia. To the contrary, Russia is attacking someone else.
You are correct in that Ukraine many resources. If the West wanted them, they could simply buy them (and that would probably involve bribery). Russia wouldn’t be involved one way or the other.
Something bad is going on here. But I don’t think it involves the West scheming to get Russian resources.
There was no grand plan, there was no “bait”. There is no grand conspiracy (there ARE conspiracies, but the real ones are remarkably petty). There is no cabal of masterminds.
These things are emergent phenomena of greater social forces that are hard to control, or even understand, or they sometimes hang on a random decision or act of an individual. Putin’s decision was a personal one of his own. People cannot be trusted to perform as planned.
Since Russia has perhaps hundreds of trillions, any amount spent on this war would be considered worth it. If they take over Russia, they own the world.
You need to back on your meds: the US has enough resources to supply itself and export even more, but our government has chosen to strangle resource extraction. Even with that, the US is now supplying Europe with huge volumes of natural gas. Even Europe has a lot more gas that it could extract or extract using fracking, but it chooses not to. There are also lots of resources in Australia, Latin America and Africa.
Afghanistan has fabulous natural resources and exotic mineral wealth. Did we demand it in exchange for invading them and fighting the Taliban? Did we take Iraqs oil in payment for our invasion and occupation trying to help them become more free? Should we have?
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