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A possible reason for the war in Ukraine.

Posted on 01/17/2023 5:50:43 PM PST by Jonty30

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Has almost nothing to do with resources in Ukraine.

There are huge amounts of resources in the West, particularly in the USA, which are not being developed because of green/ climate change insanity.

21 posted on 01/17/2023 6:10:09 PM PST by marktwain
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To: volunbeer

The globalists are using the environmentalists to run up the cost of resources, to shut down the resource industry. The environmentalists are useful idiots and nothing more than that.

When the globalists own the resources, they would happily put a bullet in each environmentalists head to get them out of the way. Environmentalists are noisy, but they serve a purpose.


22 posted on 01/17/2023 6:10:46 PM PST by Jonty30 (THE URGE TO SAVE THE WORLD IS ALMOST ALWAYS AN URGE TO RULE IT)
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To: Jonty30

We have untold trillions here...
The envirowackos won’t let us get to it


23 posted on 01/17/2023 6:11:12 PM PST by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: Jonty30

Afghanistan has resources of lithium as well.

Makes me wonder about the quick pullout.

Granted to the Chinese?


24 posted on 01/17/2023 6:11:31 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: PGR88

“If not, it would pull Europe, particularly Germany and everything east, away from NATO/US orbit.”

I mean, you say that, but nobody in Central or Eastern Europe besides Serbia and Belarus have any interest in getting closer to Russia. Quite the opposite in fact. Russia’s circle of friends is basically the same gang of thugs they were hanging out with 50 years ago, except that sometimes Brazil floats a little closer to them during times when the commies are in charge of the government.


25 posted on 01/17/2023 6:11:46 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Jonty30
A possible reason for the war in Ukraine.

"Putin’s war is just beginning"

Harald Malmgren

26 posted on 01/17/2023 6:12:54 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: buwaya

I believe in chaos theory to a significant degree too. But I can assure you that NATO has and has had very well developed and constantly evolving plans for engaging RF. NATO by its very nature is a conspiracy. Multiple entities working together to execute on an objective and effect an outcome.

Some comments from Peter Zeihan you may find interesting.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jiyl4wb-wXE


27 posted on 01/17/2023 6:15:09 PM PST by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: Jonty30

Its a coverup so no one looks at what the Deep State is doing there.
Romney, McCain, Linda and Biden have all been active there since 2008.


28 posted on 01/17/2023 6:19:06 PM PST by Zathras
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To: Zhang Fei
Eloquent, but for this: "So the invasion of Ukraine became an effort to offset the looming threat of NATO conquest"

Now that is propaganda.

Meanwhile, while as a strategy of the US to weaken Russia in order to focus on China might be speculated, yet the massive aid to Ukraine has greatly depleted US stocks, and exposed its production deficiency.

Meanwhile, although this has manifested Russia to be less a threat than was imagined, yet now she can rebuild its military to eventually be more advanced than before.

Now if Russia gave up on Putin and Ukraine but entered into mutually beneficial trade with it, and made China its enemy, then it could apply for Western aid until it decides once again to try to regain its Soviet vain glory, and invade Israel.

Yet the West is committing suicide, not simply financially, but by making God its enemy, a war which cannot be won by any adversary.

The below applies:

Israel hath cast off the thing that is good: the enemy shall pursue him. They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off. For Israel hath forgotten his Maker, and buildeth temples; and Judah hath multiplied fenced cities: but I will send a fire upon his cities, and it shall devour the palaces thereof. (Hosea 8:3-4,14)

29 posted on 01/17/2023 6:20:26 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Jonty30
How about this for a possible reason.


30 posted on 01/17/2023 6:23:37 PM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

My understanding of Afghanistan was that the plan was to build it up, for the purposes of creating a reliable trading partner for the wealth. A Japan plan for Afghanistand.

But they didn’t realize the Afghans don’t desire to be anything more than they are.


31 posted on 01/17/2023 6:27:23 PM PST by Jonty30 (THE URGE TO SAVE THE WORLD IS ALMOST ALWAYS AN URGE TO RULE IT)
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To: buwaya
You mean like this speech by John Kerry at Davos 2023

Watch the video.

There are conspiracies, they aren't small, and they have devastating consequences

Or do you believe that climate change is a real problem, and that it is a problem that humans can solve? If so, you are a dreamer.

32 posted on 01/17/2023 6:28:45 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Zhang Fei

It’s a NATO proxy war and the Ukrainian people are pawns. The goal is to ruin Russia no matter the suffering of the Ukrainian people.

A guy at work was from Bosnia. He said major powers just push the little countries around. It could be the Brits, Italians, Turks, French, Germans, etc. You are seeing his assertion in real time.


33 posted on 01/17/2023 6:32:01 PM PST by packagingguy
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To: volunbeer
China very much covets (and even has a historical ownership claim) Siberia.

The Chinese would rather stretch out their legs in Australia. Nobody covets Siberia. The Mongols ruled resource-rich Siberia (mines, lumber, furs) for 300 years and hardly any of them moved there. Russians don't even live in Siberia.

34 posted on 01/17/2023 6:37:42 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Zhang Fei

When this proxy war concludes, Ukrainians will become excruciatingly aware of the truth:....that they’ve sacrificed a generation of men and women in their prime....

“We’re in a hot war with Russia. It’s a proxy war and NATO is fighting it through Ukraine,”...... says American political scientist Ian Bremmer.

Interesting news if true.....Zelensky Top aide ‘Aleksey Arestovich’ has offered to resign after saying Ukraine had intercepted a Russian missile that caused he deadly explosion in Dnepr.


35 posted on 01/17/2023 6:41:33 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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36 posted on 01/17/2023 6:42:51 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: Levy78

Since NATO has more staff weenies than Frontline units, their main function is to constantly update battle plans.

A NATO staff is best described as ‘a self-licking ice cream cone’.


37 posted on 01/17/2023 6:46:56 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: BenLurkin

“Of course it’s about the Ukraine’s resources. “

Almost every war is ultimately about economics.


38 posted on 01/17/2023 6:55:31 PM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work o)
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To: GreyHoundSailor

Do not forget that the deep state families - Bidens, Pelosis, etc. have much to hide in Ukraine. Family members on the board of Burisma, for instance. Ukraine was a massive money laundering operation for the deep state. And many say there were a lot more nefarious deep state activities like biolabs and torture prisons in Ukraine. The deep state simply will not allow Russia to take the Ukraine playground away from them and will do anything to stop it from happening.


39 posted on 01/17/2023 6:57:02 PM PST by imabadboy99
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To: Right_Wing_Madman
The Chinese would rather stretch out their legs in Australia. Nobody covets Siberia.

According to Russian calculations, Siberia holds just under 80 percent of Russia’s oil resources, about 85 percent of its natural gas, 80 percent of its coal, similar amounts of precious metals and diamonds, and a little over 40 percent of the nation’s timber resources.

Siberia: Russia's Economic Heartland and Daunting Dilemma

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/siberia-russias-economic-heartland-and-daunting-dilemma/

40 posted on 01/17/2023 6:57:48 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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