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Greek volcano mystery: Archaeologist narrows on date of Thera eruption
ScienceDaily ^
| September 21, 2022
| Cornell University
Posted on 11/23/2022 8:35:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv
...Last spring, Manning realized he could solve the problem by looking elsewhere -- hundreds of kilometers away from Thera -- to regions of the Aegean Sea that experienced the tsunami effects caused by the eruption. Manning incorporated dates obtained for these episodes into his model to test for, and discount, the volcanic carbon dioxide caveat. On Thera itself, he also spotted the importance of a short but clearly observed gap in time between the abandonment of the town at Akrotiri and the huge eruption, and he incorporated this previously overlooked constraint into the modeling....
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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: aegean; akrotiri; calliste; catastrophism; eberhardzangger; godsgravesglyphs; greece; santorini; thera; tsunami; tsunamis; volcano; volcanoes
Buncha Thera- and dendrochronology keywords, combined, sorted, duplicates out, with some of the most pertinent topics up top:
- Tree rings could pin down Thera volcano eruption date [03/30/2020]
- Santorini volcano explosion dates changed: Piece of olive tree found on Thirasia changes everything [10/22/2018]
- Dating the Ancient Minoan Eruption of Thera Using Tree Rings [08/16/2018]
- Prehistoric mass graves may be linked to tsunamis, new research reveals [08/15/2018]
- Aegean Sea: CO2 opalescent pools found at site of volcanic eruption that wiped out Minoan... [07/18/2015]
- Climate change caused empire's fall, tree rings reveal [05/31/2014]
- Greek Island of Santorini Volcano Erupted in 16th Century [03/22/2014]
- Atlantis: The Evidence [ Thera, Crete, the usual modern myths ] [05/20/2012]
- New analysis on problems between archaeology and pharaonic chronology, based on radiocarbon dating [06/17/2010]
- Biblical plagues really happened say scientists [ Thera, global warming, yada yada yada ] [03/30/2010]
- How Old Tree Rings And Ancient Wood Are Helping Rewrite History [10/28/2007]
- Ancient Volcano, Seeds And Treerings, Suggest Rewriting Late Bronze Age Mediterranean History (More) [04/29/2006]
- Olive branch solves a Bronze Age mystery [04/28/2006]
- ARCHAEOLOGY: New Carbon Dates Support Revised History of Ancient Mediterranean [04/27/2006]
- Anatolian tree-ring studies are untrustworthy [02/03/2006]
- Gigantic radiation storms have been pummeling Earth for at least 10,000 years and could strike again, tree ring analysis reveals [10/27/2022]
- Volcanic eruption may have forced ancient Egyptians to abandon a city [03/21/2022]
- Skeleton of young man killed by ancient tsunami found on Turkish coast [01/04/2022]
- Therasia: the new excavation finds from the prehistoric settlement [11/07/2021]
- Greece's Santorini Volcano Erupts More Often When Sea Level Drops [09/13/2021]
- The mystery of the 'blue monkeys' in ancient Grecian frescoes, solved [04/27/2020]
- Ancient monkey painting suggests Bronze Age Greeks travelled widely [02/04/2020]
- Important new finds discovered at Akrotiri prehistoric settlement on Santorini island [10/15/2018]
- Fat tourists leave Greek island donkeys CRIPPLED [07/31/2018]
- Study: Radiocarbon Dating Inaccurate in the Holy Land [06/19/2018]
- No Volcanic Winter In East Africa From Ancient Toba (Super-Volcano) Eruption [02/13/2018]
- Did Abraham Lincoln sleep here? [02/11/2018]
- Two volcanoes trigger crises of the late antiquity [04/19/2016]
- Russia Deploys Missile System Able To Hit Tel Aviv Planes [11/13/2015]
- Signs of ancient megatsunami could portend modern hazard [10/02/2015]
- The Lost City of Atlantis May Be Hiding in Plain Sight [09/02/2015]
- Enormous monolith, carved 9350 years ago, found under Mediterranean Sea [08/08/2015]
- Cyprus to offer military facilities to Russia: President [02/08/2015]
- Ancient Crash, Epic Wave [01/26/2015]
- Mega wave hit Oman's coast 4,500 years ago [11/06/2014]
- 500-Year-Old Traces of Monster Hawaii Tsunami Discovered [10/22/2014]
- World's Oldest Weather Report Found on 3500-Year-Old Stone in Egypt [09/04/2014]
- Sumatra coastal cave records stunning tsunami history [12/12/2013]
- Sumatra coastal cave records stunning tsunami history [12/11/2013]
- Ancient city of Iasos rises out of the ashes [09/30/2013]
- Modern Humans in India Earlier Than Previously Thought? [09/15/2013]
- Syrian Warplanes Test British Air Defenses in Cyprus [09/08/2013]
- Fossil Insects Tweak Date of Deadly "Atlantis" Eruption [08/25/2013]
- Akrotiri, Santorini: the Minoan Pompeii - part 6 [07/25/2013]
- Akrotiri, Santorini: the Minoan Pompeii - part 5 [07/22/2013]
- Akrotiri, Santorini: the Minoan Pompeii - part 4 [07/21/2013]
- Akrotiri, Santorini: the Minoan Pompeii - part 3 [07/20/2013]
- Akrotiri, Santorini: the Minoan Pompeii - part 2 [07/07/2013]
- Archaeogenetic research refutes earlier findings [06/13/2013]
- Toba super-volcano catastrophe idea 'dismissed' [05/02/2013]
- The Warmist Crisis [Global Warming Becomes a Hot Topic] [04/09/2013]
- Which volcanoes impacted ancient climate? Sulphur tells the story [02/14/2013]
- Mayan Match!: Baillie discovers correlation between ice core chemistry spikes & Mayan Long Count... [12/11/2012]
- The Most Important Records For Dating Old Objects Were Just Found In A Japanese Lake [10/18/2012]
- Will Ancient Akrotiri Face Another Massive Eruption? [09/21/2012]
- Can't see the Climate Forest For the Trees [07/10/2012]
- Climate was HOTTER in Roman, medieval times than now: Study [07/10/2012]
- The oldest farming village in the Mediterranean islands is discovered in Cyprus [05/15/2012]
- UA scientists find evidence of Roman period megadrought (in US, not Rome) [11/04/2011]
- The tsunamis of Olympia [07/08/2011]
- Ancient stone markers warned of tsunamis [04/12/2011]
- Archaeologists uncover early Neolithic activity on Cyprus [11/02/2010]
- Nebra sky disk discarded because of volcanic ash, scientists say [08/23/2010]
- 'Pompeii-Like' Excavations Tell Us More About Toba Super-Eruption [03/04/2010]
- Akrotiri Peninsula Excavations [01/18/2010]
- To Denmark, From Russia, With Lies (CRU's Tree Ring Circus) [12/18/2009]
- A 538 Year Record of Climate ......... Northern Siberia, Russia [12/14/2009]
- Flawed climate data [12/02/2009]
- Lord Monckton's summary of Climategate and its issues [12/02/2009]
- Good video on cooking the data on the hockey stick. [11/30/2009]
- E-Mails Of Climate Researchers Buttress Case Of Warming Fraud [11/23/2009]
- The Alarmists Do "Science": A Case Study [11/21/2009]
- In the Mediterranean, Killer Tsunamis From an Ancient Eruption [11/05/2009]
- Akrotiri, Santorini: the Minoan Pompeii - part 1 [of 6] [11/01/2009]
- A Storm in Egypt during the Reign of Ahmose [The Tempest Stele] [11/01/2009]
- Tsunami Waves Reasonably Likely To Strike Israel, Geo-archaeological Research Suggests [10/26/2009]
- Real Tsunami May Have Inspired Legend of Atlantis [10/10/2009]
- Mann Climate Tree Ring Studies Falsified Data [09/30/2009]
- Was ancient Cypriot cave a prehistoric diner? [08/19/2009]
- Did Noah's Flood start in the Carmel? [12/10/2008]
- Did Noah's Flood start in the Carmel? [12/10/2008]
- Did Noah's Flood start in the Carmel? [12/10/2008]
- Thera eruption in 1613 BC [12/03/2008]
- Archaeology professor scrutinizes age-old mystery [ Uluburun wreck excavation] [11/24/2008]
- Bronze Age mouse offers clues to royal shipwreck [ Ulu Burun wreck ] [09/09/2008]
- 'Virtual archaeologist' reconnects fragments of an ancient civilization [ Thera ] [08/15/2008]
- Greek archaeological site reburied [ Akrotiri Santorini ] [08/04/2008]
- Geology Pictures of the Week, June 29-July 5, 2008: Thera (Santorini) unusual view [07/01/2008]
- Pumace As A Time Witness (Archaeology) [06/23/2008]
- Tsunami Or Melting Glaciers: What Caused Ancient Atlit To Sink? [06/04/2008]
- Mega-Tsunami Theory Disputed (Australia) [02/03/2008]
- Did a Tsunami Wipe Out a Cradle of Western Civilization? [01/15/2008]
- Dwarf hippo fossils found on Cyprus [12/05/2007]
- Did A Comet Cause The Great Flood? [11/21/2007]
- Layers of mystery: Archaeologists look to the earth for Minoan fate [11/03/2007]
- Greece Is The Word For Volcanoes (Thera) [08/25/2007]
- Sailors may have cruised the Med 14,000 years ago [07/18/2007]
- Super-Eruption: No Problem (Toba) [07/06/2007]
- The wave that destroyed Atlantis [Destroyed by a giant tsunami?] [04/22/2007]
- A Culture Shaped By Natural Disasters (Thera/Akrotiri) [01/16/2007]
- GEOPHYSICS: Ancient Cataclysm Marred the Med [12/09/2006]
- Landslide At Mt. Etna Generated A Large Tsunami In The Mediterranean Sea Nearly 8,000 Years Ago [11/29/2006]
- Did an Asteroid Impact Cause an Ancient Tsunami? [11/15/2006]
- Ancient Crash, Epic Wave [11/14/2006]
- Viewer Beware: The Exodus Decoded [ Jacobovici response to BAR review] [08/31/2006]
- Santorini Eruption Much larger Than Originally Believed [08/23/2006]
- 'Exodus Decoded' seeks 'plausible explanation' for Biblical events [08/19/2006]
- Charcoal reveals wildfire history [07/16/2006]
- 'Decoding' the Bible (Movie: Exodus Decoded) [07/13/2006]
- Massive Earthquake Destroyed Ancient City Of Anamurium, Say Scientists [07/08/2006]
- Documentary Sets New Date For Exodus [07/03/2006]
- Explorer Ballard heads exploration of undersea volcano [05/19/2006]
- Tale Of (King) Arthur Points To Comet Catastrophe [04/21/2006]
- Director posits proof of biblical Exodus [04/14/2006]
- Unprecedented mathematical knowledge found in (Minoan) Bronze Age wall paintings. [03/02/2006]
- Flints give Cyprus oldest seafaring link in Med [11/22/2005]
- Moses' Comet [10/09/2005]
- Khirokitia [12/25/2004]
- Roman Comet 5,000 Times More Powerful Than A-Bomb [10/17/2004]
- Grains Found in Ga. Traced to Asteroid [08/24/2004]
- Ireland Is Lost Island of Atlantis, Says Scientist [08/06/2004]
- New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption [07/29/2004]
- Alaska Volcano West of Anchorage Stirs After 12-Year Slumber [07/28/2004]
- Minoan ship to ply Greek seas for first time in 3,500 years [07/25/2004]
- 50 Ancient Tombs Uncovered (1400BC, Crete) [07/18/2004]
- Mesopotamian Climate Change (8,000 Years Ago) [02/15/2004]
- Astronomers unravel a mystery of the Dark Ages [02/03/2004]
- Memory in Ruins [Biblical Archaeology] [12/01/2003]
- Will We Ever Find Atlantis? [11/16/2003]
- SCIENTISTS REVISIT AN AEGEAN ERUPTION FAR WORSE THAN KRAKATOA [10/24/2003]
- Debate Erupts Anew: Did Thera's Explosion Doom Minoan Crete? [10/23/2003]
- Signs Of An Eruption [08/29/2003]
- (Prince) Madoc In America [07/10/2003]
- SIBERIA METEORITE FLATTENS 40 SQ MILES [06/09/2003]
- The Dark Ages: Were They Darker Than We Imagined? [06/08/2003]
- Meteor Clue To End Of Middle East Civilisations [06/08/2003]
- Evidence Of Tunguska-Type Impacts Over The Pacific Basin Around The Year 1178 AD [01/26/2003]
- An Impact Event in 3114BC? The beginning of a Turbulent Millennium. [01/03/2003]
- The missing sun temples! (Where are they?) [01/03/2003]
- Biblical Plagues and Parting of Red Sea caused by Volcano [11/11/2002]
- Evidence for Major Impact Events in the [09/04/2002]
- Comets,Meteors & Myth: New Evidence For Toppled Civilizations And Bibical Tales [08/11/2002]
- Did Asteroids And Comets Turn The Tides Of Civilization? [07/11/2002]
- Asteroid Tsunamis Could be Huge, Slow [06/09/2002]
- Archaeologists Unearth 1,700 Year-Old Canal System Near Lake Okeechobee (Florida) [06/07/2002]
- A CATASTROPHICAL SCENARIO FOR DISCONTINUITIES IN HUMAN HISTORY [04/19/2002]
- Tree Rings Show A Period Of WideSpread Warming In The Medieval Age [03/26/2002]
- Going Into The Water: A Survey Of Impact Events And The Coastal Peoples Of South-East North America [01/17/2002]
- Meteor Clue To End Of Middle East Civilisations [01/03/2002]
- Archaeologists Rewrite Timeline Of Bronze And Iron Ages, Alphabet [12/24/2001]
- Disaster That Struck The Ancients [12/08/2001]
- Update on Underwater Megalithic [11/21/2001]
- Comets, Meteors & Myth: New Evidence for Toppled Civilizations and Biblical Tales [11/13/2001]
- Slam, bang, thanks Saddam: new meteor theory [11/05/2001]
- Free Republic "Bump List" Register [09/30/2001]
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posted on
11/23/2022 8:35:11 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
I'm sure we had a similar article (not about Manning) a couple of years ago, but couldn't turn it up. For once, I'm going to spare you my usual great big dump all over the mid-2nd m supereruption myth. Thanks anonymous FReeper for the link! And it's a two-fer!
One of *those* topics.
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posted on
11/23/2022 8:37:44 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
To: SunkenCiv
Had a neighbor named Thera. Sweet lady, great neighbor....but don’t get her mad because she would erupt!
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posted on
11/23/2022 8:46:01 AM PST
by
moovova
("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
To: SunkenCiv
And to the dates:
The modeling identified the most likely range of dates for the eruption to be: between about 1609-1560 BCE (95.4% probability), or about 1606-1589 BCE (68.3% probability).
The new timeline synchronizes the civilizations of the eastern Mediterranean while also ruling out several ancillary theories, such as the idea that the Thera eruption was responsible for destroying Minoan palaces on the coast of Crete as the first excavator of Akrotiri, Spyridon Marinatos, proposed in 1939.
"That seems not to be the case," Manning said. "Because when we date the destruction levels on Crete, they seem to be upwards of a century later."
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11/23/2022 8:56:14 AM PST
by
texas booster
(Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
Selections from the Aegean keyword, sorted:
- New Discoveries At The Temple Of Demeter In Crete [11/20/2022]
- Vast tunnel found beneath ancient Egyptian temple [aqueduct] [11/08/2022]
- Therasia: the new excavation finds from the prehistoric settlement [11/07/2021]
- Archaeologists find theater toilet in western Turkey's Smyrna [also found, long line of skeletons waiting since the beginning of intermission] [11/07/2021]
- Greece's first underwater museum opens ancient world to dive tourists [07/25/2021]
- 20 million year-old fossilized tree found on the island of Lesvos [04/05/2021]
- Greece to Open First Underwater Museum in Alonissos [Alonnisos shipwreck] [07/15/2020]
- Egypt announces international anti-Turkey alliance [06/01/2020]
- [2019] Ancient shipwrecks discovered off Greek island of Levitha [between Amorgos and Leros] [04/21/2020]
- Tree rings could pin down Thera volcano eruption date [03/30/2020]
- Scientists find early humans moved through Mediterranean earlier than believed [10/20/2019]
- Ancient Tablets May Reveal What Destroyed Minoan Civilization [09/16/2019]
- 4th century BC Mazotos shipwreck yields Chian amphorae and rich finds about shipbuilding history [12/28/2018]
- Santorini volcano explosion dates changed: Piece of olive tree found on Thirasia changes everything [10/22/2018]
- Farmer Discovers Rare Tombstone from Late Minoan III Period on Crete [08/18/2018]
- Neandertals, Stone Age people may have voyaged the Mediterranean [05/05/2018]
- Complex engineering and metal-work discovered beneath ancient Greek 'pyramid' [01/18/2018]
- Controversial footprint discovery suggests human-like creatures may have roamed Crete [09/01/2017]
- Ancient Greek 'computer' came with a user guide [07/02/2016]
- The Last Days of Hattusa [06/27/2016]
- Monastery new discovery in underground city in Cappadocia [06/26/2016]
- The World's First Computer May Have Been Used To Tell Fortunes [Engraved text translation] [06/10/2016]
- Devastating 'World War ZERO' destroyed ancient civilisations and plunged Europe into a dark age [05/15/2016]
- World War Zero brought down mystery civilisation of 'sea people' [05/13/2016]
- Early Written Signs [02/14/2016]
- Some 5,000 years ago, silver mining on the shores of the Aegean Sea [02/11/2016]
- Traces of Vikings found at Bathonea archaeological excavation in Istanbul [12/08/2015]
- One of the grandest structures of the ancient world could be reborn: The Colossus of Rhodes [11/03/2015]
- Push to build a new Wonder of the World -- Colossus of Rhodes 2.0 [10/31/2015]
- 22 Shipwrecks Found in Single Location in Greece [10/29/2015]
- Grave of 'Griffin Warrior' at Pylos Could Be a Gateway to Civilizations [10/27/2015]
- Archaeologists discover secret tunnel in ancient Hittite castle [10/21/2015]
- Marine Archaeologists Excavate Greek Antikythera Shipwreck [09/26/2015]
- Archaeological team prepares 4,000-year-old Hittite meals [09/14/2015]
- Archaeologists discover 2,800-year-old 'burial jars' in Turkey... but what lies inside? [09/07/2015]
- Bronze Age Greek city found underwater [08/31/2015]
- Symbols of Hittite goddess of sexuality found on 4,000-year-old tablet discovered in central Turkey [08/15/2015]
- Archaeologists Find Assyrian Tablets in Turkey, Some About Women's Rights [07/19/2015]
- Aegean Sea: CO2 opalescent pools found at site of volcanic eruption that wiped out Minoan... [07/18/2015]
- The Minoans of Crete [05/07/2015]
- European languages linked to migration from the east [02/13/2015]
- Scientist tackles mystery of ancient astronomical device [01/11/2015]
- Wearable submarine to hunt for 2000-year-old computer [06/06/2014]
- Greek Island of Santorini Volcano Erupted in 16th Century [03/22/2014]
- Pollen Study Points to Drought as Culprit in Bronze Age Mystery (Global Warming in Ancient Times) [10/26/2013]
- Excavations reveal remains of a Turkish bath in Aegean province [06/23/2013]
- Astronomy Picture of the Day -- The Antikythera Mechanism [01/19/2013]
- Ancient Mariners: Did Neanderthals Sail to Mediterranean? [11/24/2012]
- Anthropologist suggests Mediterranean islands inhabited much earlier than thought [11/16/2012]
- Return to Antikythera: Divers revisit wreck where ancient computer found [10/04/2012]
- Atlantis: The Evidence [ Thera, Crete, the usual modern myths ] [05/20/2012]
- Warning signs from ancient Greek tsunami [05/14/2012]
- Turkey Capable of Building Own Navy [05/08/2012]
- Seafaring in the Aegean: new dates [03/02/2012]
- Neanderthals were ancient mariners [03/02/2012]
- Underwater archaeology: Hunt for the ancient mariner [01/26/2012]
- Lost city found in Turkey: It is older than Troy [09/27/2011]
- Cretan tools point to 130,000-year-old sea travel [01/03/2011]
- Top food was olives in time of the ancient mariner [08/15/2010]
- Road built over 3000-year-old tumulus in eastern Turkey [07/27/2010]
- On Crete, New Evidence of Very Ancient Mariners [02/17/2010]
- Ancient hominids may have been seafarers [01/14/2010]
- University of Toronto archaeologists find...cuneiform tablets in 2,700-year old Turkish temple [08/10/2009]
- Phaistos Disk: Greek or Luwian? [06/25/2009]
- Hittites' holy city Nerik to emerge [09/05/2008]
- Exploring the blue depths of the Aegean and Mediterranean [08/04/2008]
- Did a Tsunami Wipe Out a Cradle of Western Civilization? [01/15/2008]
- Centuries after Jason mythed the boat, another team has a go [05/27/2007]
- Messages from the Dead [ Qatna's royal palace and cuneiform archive ] [02/01/2007]
- Shattered clues for solving Greek island's riddle [12/28/2006]
- French Explorer's Bad Luck In Syria Avenged At Last (Hittites) [10/17/2006]
- Ancient Hittite Dam Inaugurated After 32 Centuries [09/20/2006]
- Greek Police Seize Illegal antiquities [ Koufonissi restaurant ] [08/12/2006]
- Hittite graves, artifacts unearthed in Adana [06/14/2006]
- Greek, Turkish Jets Collide Over Aegean [05/23/2006]
- Hittite winds blow in Istanbul [05/19/2006]
- Greek Shipwreck from 350 BC Revealed [02/02/2006]
- Experts Prepare Excavation on Greek Island [01/09/2006]
- Potential Origins of Europeans Found [11/11/2005]
- Unearthing the Treasures of the Mediterranean [07/09/2005]
- In Search of the Real Troy [02/20/2005]
- Sailing the Wine-Dark Sea: International Trade and the Late Bronze Age Aegean [08/28/2004]
- Photo Series: Persepolis, Iran - Capital of Persian Empire [History] [08/27/2004]
- First Toilet And Sewer System Of Prehistoric Period Found In Van [08/24/2004]
- Franchthi Excavations: 17,000 Years of Greek Prehistory [08/22/2004]
- Amazon Warrior Women [08/04/2004]
- Smenkhkhare, the Hittite Pharaoh [07/30/2004]
- Minoan ship to ply Greek seas for first time in 3,500 years [07/25/2004]
- History Channel to air Ancient Battles [Persians-Greeks-Romans - starts 7/23] [07/20/2004]
- 50 Ancient Tombs Uncovered (1400BC, Crete) [07/18/2004]
- Debate Erupts Anew: Did Thera's Explosion Doom Minoan Crete? [10/23/2003]
- Unearthed: the humble origins of world diplomacy (A Preserved Library from 1340BC discovered!) [01/19/2003]
- Unearthed: The Humble Origins Of World Diplomacy (Hittites) [01/18/2003]
- Ancient Treasure Trove Uncovered [12/18/2002]
- Key To An Ancient Tongue [07/23/2002]
- Recent Finds Prove That Homer's Stories Were More Than Myth [02/24/2002]
- Archaeologists Rewrite Timeline Of Bronze And Iron Ages, Alphabet [12/24/2001]
- antikytheramechanism [keyword]
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posted on
11/23/2022 8:57:46 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
To: texas booster
Thanks, and this has been clear for years, it’s nice that Manning’s starting to fall off the bandwagon a little.
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posted on
11/23/2022 8:59:11 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
To: SunkenCiv
"The Fiery and Volcanic Birth of Santorini"
[click the pic]
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posted on
11/23/2022 9:01:49 AM PST
by
moovova
("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
To: SunkenCiv
So this means that the flushing toilets they found in the ruins of Akrotiri on Santorini are even older than originally thought.
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posted on
11/23/2022 9:11:14 AM PST
by
Flag_This
To: SunkenCiv
Greek Volcano?
That could cause a Greece fire.
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posted on
11/23/2022 9:18:01 AM PST
by
DannyTN
To: SunkenCiv
Best line in the whole article: “”This demonstrates, as with so much of science, that people have to make hypotheses based on the initial information, but as you get more and more information and better analysis, you revise and refine,”
Imagine....really following the scientific method.....
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posted on
11/23/2022 9:56:31 AM PST
by
reed13k
(For evil to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing)
To: reed13k
He did that himself, regarding a pumice artifact from the Egyptian New Kingdom — saddling on the idea that it was from Thera, and it turned out to have come from the Kos volcano which had its last eruption 10s of 1000s of years ago. :^)
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posted on
11/24/2022 4:07:08 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
To: SunkenCiv
When do you think was the eruption...these days?
I can't remember what dates we used to fuss about?
Do you?
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posted on
11/24/2022 9:51:54 AM PST
by
blam
To: blam
As Manning (finally) acknowledges, the Minoan collapse was clearly not temporally related to the (imaginary) supereruption.
The caldera has been known to be prehistoric, and this has been known for a long time.
The (prehistoric) collapse of the caldera was to the west, more or less right toward mainland Greece, not at Anatolia, and not at Crete. Looking in those places for evidence of the tsunami is wild goose chase.
There was no supereruption in the 2nd m BC. That idea is related to the goofy equating of Thera or Crete with Atlantis.
Zangger notes that, when evidence is presented at Thera conferences, refuting the core belief, other participants double down on it.
Herodotus says rather a lot about the island (Calliste in ancient times, Santorini in modern times) and never mentions anything about an eruption. The only ancient source that does suggests a date circa 200 BC. Herodotus lived before that, which probably explains it. For that matter, Plato lived before 200 BC.
Adapted Latin terms show up in Linear B sources, and the Roman conquest of Greece was something like 207 BC. Mycenaean cultural elements IOW were still alive long after the supposed demise of the Age of Heroes.
Other than that, we’re in complete agreement. [/rimshot!]
;^)
Maps of Santorini:
https://search.brave.com/images?q=map%20of%20santorini
Relief map, with north at the bottom for some reason:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/gp1lo9/relief_map_of_santorini/
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posted on
11/24/2022 10:33:33 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
"Even when, during the respective Thera Conferences, individual scientists had pointed out that the magnitude and significance of the Thera eruption must be estimated as less than previously thought, the conferences acted to strengthen the original hypothesis. The individual experts believed that the arguments advanced by their colleagues were sound, and that the facts of a natural catastrophe were not in doubt... All three factors reflect a fantasy world rather than cool detachment, which is why it so difficult to refute the theory with rational arguments." -- Eberhard Zangger, "The Future of the Past: Archaeology in the 21st Century", pp 49-50.
[snip] Pliny described the changes in land and sea distribution. "Land is sometimes formed . . . rising suddenly out of the sea. Delos and Rhodes, islands which have now been long famous, are recorded to have risen up in this way. More lately there have been some smaller islands formed," and he names them: Anapha, Nea, Halone, Thera, Therasia, Hiera, and Thia, the last of which appeared in his own time. [/snip] -- The Dark Age of Greece, "Changes in Land and Sea"
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posted on
11/24/2022 10:42:42 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
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To: moovova
15
posted on
11/24/2022 10:51:59 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
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To: Flag_This
Nope. But the Cycladic culture that built Akrotiri laid two separate water systems, apparently one for hot water from the island’s geothermal sources, and one for cold water. The waste pipe went somewhere, probably into the sea. For its era, it was a real maritime boomtown going back into the Neolithic.
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posted on
11/24/2022 10:54:43 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
“Nope”
Was that story not about the volcanic eruption in your article?
Sorry if it was misinformation.
17
posted on
11/24/2022 12:03:35 PM PST
by
moovova
("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
To: moovova
I appreciated the link, but the dating and magnitude of the eruption is the issue.
18
posted on
11/24/2022 1:25:09 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
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