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Bronze Age Greek city found underwater
Spero Forum ^ | August 27, 2015 | Martin Barillas

Posted on 08/31/2015 11:34:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Along the shore near the site, archaeologists have found more than 6,000 objects, including fragments of the red ceramics that are characteristic of the area. Beck called the area an “archaeologist’s paradise.”

Beck points out that other civilizations were extant at the time, such as Egypt and the nascent civilizations at the islands of Crete and Santorini. The researchers expect that future research at Lambayanna will shed new light on a dense network of coastal settlements stretched throughout the Aegean Sea. Of the structures found by the researchers, Beck said “There must have been a brick superstructure above a stone foundation,” who added that “the chances of finding such walls under water are extremely low." Furthermore, he said, "the full size of the facility is not yet known. We do not know why it is surrounded by fortifications."

The walls that were found by the team are contemporaneous with the pyramids at Giza that were built around 2600-2500 B.C., as well as the Cycladic civilization (3200 to 2000 BC), at the first Minoans on the island of Crete (2700-1200 BC). However, they precede the first great Greek civilization, the Mycenaean (1650-1100 BC), by one thousand years. Obsidian blades that the researchers found at Lambayanna may have come from volcanic rock sourced at Milos: an island in the Cyclades archipelago that was inhabited as of the third millennium. The island is known for the famous statue of Aphrodite which was found there and now displayed at the Louvre.

Based on a study of the style of the pottery discovered at Lambayanna, researchers believe that the site dates to the Early Helladic II phase, said Beck, and contemporaneous with the building of the famous Egyptian pyramids.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: aegean; bronzeage; catastrophism; corinth; cycladic; earlyhelladicii; godsgravesglyphs; greece; kiladhabay; lambayanna; milos; obsidian; peloponnese; potidaea; tsunami
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A 3-D view of the Lambayanna underwater site

A 3-D view of the Lambayanna underwater site

1 posted on 08/31/2015 11:34:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: Fred Nerks; blam

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1520028/posts?page=93#93


2 posted on 08/31/2015 11:37:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: SunkenCiv
"We do not know why it is surrounded by fortifications."

To keep enemies out? Just a guess...

3 posted on 08/31/2015 11:55:00 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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4 posted on 09/01/2015 4:33:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: SunkenCiv

Obviously they were burning fossil fuels to the point the climate changed and the sea rose and covered the cities


5 posted on 09/01/2015 4:33:56 AM PDT by bike800
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6 posted on 09/01/2015 4:34:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting.

Searching around I found this pdf which describes some of the methods used to locate the site.

http://www.e-a-a.org/TEA/cor2_44.pdf

approximate location is http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=37.42294,23.12982&z=18&t=H


7 posted on 09/01/2015 5:25:50 AM PDT by Ray76 (When a gov't leads it's people down a path of destruction resistance is not only a right but a duty.)
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To: SunkenCiv

One of many sites which probably gave rise to the legend of Atlantis sinking into the sea.

I don’t think you would find that many artifacts if the city had been evacuated due to a gradual inundation by rising waters. Probably a seismic event like the one that sank Port Royal in Jamaica in 1692.


8 posted on 09/01/2015 8:57:24 AM PDT by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one.... what's yoIur plan?)
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To: wildbill

I agree. It’s interesting that Homer includes a description of a surge of water chasing one of the Trojan War heroes up a river valley, and Thucydides describes the loss of an Athenian garrison and its fortress, built on a rocky isle (still there) in the Gulf of Corinth due to a tsunami. Poseidon, Greek deity of the seas, was also Earthshaker because the cause and effect was something of which the ancient Greeks were aware, even though they didn’t understand the actual mechanics of the phenom.


9 posted on 09/01/2015 1:30:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: Ray76

Thanks Ray76!


10 posted on 09/01/2015 1:31:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: Eagles6; bike800

:’)


11 posted on 09/01/2015 1:31:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: Eagles6

Gee, ya’ think?

That was a dumb quote, but I suspect that the context was not supplied. Probably meant that they don’t know exactly what sorts of conflicts were present in the area.


12 posted on 09/01/2015 2:51:34 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let's put the ship of state on Cruz Control with Ted Cruz.)
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To: wildbill

Excellent observation.


13 posted on 09/01/2015 2:52:18 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let's put the ship of state on Cruz Control with Ted Cruz.)
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To: SunkenCiv

... Poseidon, Greek deity of the seas, was also Earthshaker because the cause and effect was something of which the ancient Greeks were aware....

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Did not know that. Thanks. (I learn a lot from you,FRiend.)


14 posted on 09/01/2015 2:54:18 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let's put the ship of state on Cruz Control with Ted Cruz.)
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To: SunkenCiv

By the way, the Marine Archeologist from Texas A&M that led one of the Port Royal explorations, Barto Arnold, is the son of my old business partner.

He later led the expedition a few years ago that discovered and explored the French ships off the Texas Coast in Matagorda bay that had sunk while supporting the La Salle colony that was looking for the mouth of the Mississippi.

A&M is one of the few universities that offer a degree in Marine Archeology.


15 posted on 09/01/2015 3:11:44 PM PDT by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one.... what's yoIur plan?)
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To: Bigg Red

Thanks for the kind remarks!


16 posted on 09/01/2015 3:23:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: wildbill

Sounds fun!


17 posted on 09/01/2015 3:24:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Perhaps trying to lump legend, geology and archaeology into one major event will never work. The Black Sea would have had a natural outlet long before the cataclysm which tore the continents apart, at both The Bosphorus and at Gibraltar.
Blame Poseidon, The Earth Shaker. Were there not tectonic movements (The Symplegades) described in the legend of Jason and the Golden Fleece?


18 posted on 09/01/2015 5:37:20 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

and what to make of Scylla and Charibdis in the Odyssey?


19 posted on 09/01/2015 11:32:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: SunkenCiv
I have a relative by marriage, born on the island of Lipari who recalls the local oral legend of Ulysses and his visit to the Aeolian Islands, told to him by his illiterate grandmother when he was a child, (she also warned him if he didn't behave the Mamelukes would come and take him away) There still remains a whirlpool between Sicily and Scylla on the mainland, thus it's just possible the quest for the golden fleece (wasn't that how the Anatolians captured gold dust?) took place at a time of great tectonic upheaval manifested at both the Strait of Gibraltar and The Bosphorus...

Scylla and Charibdis

Charybdis, who lurked under a fig tree a bowshot away on the opposite shore, drank down and belched forth the waters thrice a day and was fatal to shipping. Her character was most likely the personification of a whirlpool. The shipwrecked Odysseus barely escaped her clutches by clinging to a tree until the improvised raft that she swallowed floated to the surface again after many hours. Scylla was often rationalized in antiquity as a rock or reef. Both gave poetic expression to the dangers confronting Greek mariners when they first ventured into the uncharted waters of the western Mediterranean. To be “between Scylla and Charybdis” means to be caught between two equally unpleasant alternatives.

20 posted on 09/02/2015 4:00:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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