Why is the COVID mortality rate spiking in Germany?

Deutsche Welle - via msn ^ | 24 November 2021 | Rachel Baig, Deutsche Welle -

[blueplum]

More than two-thirds of Germans are fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Nevertheless, significantly more people are currently dying due to the virus than they did in autumn 2020. Why is this happening?...

...current restrictions do not compare to those from last year. In the strict lockdown of last year, for example, clubs and bars were closed, and there personal meetings were tightly restricted. Indoor events were also largely prohibited...

..This considerable proportion of the population who are not vaccinated (or not fully vaccinated) plays a major role... Among people over 60, more than 3 million people have not yet been vaccinated.

Most of the deaths related to COVID-19 can be traced back to unvaccinated people, according to RKI statistics. According to intensive care medics, 90% of the COVID patients in ICUs in Germany are unvaccinated. And the RKI says the chance of survival is only 53% for COVID patients in the ICU once they go on a ventilator, whether vaccinated or not.

So in essence, Germany is facing the same mortality rate as last year...

... fewer than half of COVID patients in intensive care units are under 60, which represents a break from past coronavirus surges.

"Many patients are 30 or 40 years old -- and they're seriously ill. The majority of these people are not vaccinated. The mortality exceeds 50% -- especially among the younger people," said Janssens....

[blueplum]

wow - 50% vented ICU mortality is way not good. US is around 22% I think. I've never seen an ethnic breakdown of German deaths; I wonder how the asian migrant population figures into the vaccination and morbidity rates?

[kiryandil]

I know of a fully vaccinated woman who was covid-infected by her fully vaccinated daughter and fully-vaccinated son-in-law.

She passed away 2 weeks ago.

Spare us the Deutscher horse hockey about "the unvaccinated".

[Mark17]

Did they blame Trump yet?

[kiryandil]

Trump’s fault.

[Trillian]

The night is young.

[AndyTheBear]

Most of the deaths related to COVID-19 can be traced back to unvaccinated people...

The mental gymnastics is getting more and more absurd.

[Mark17]

The night is young.

Give them time, and they will.

[pepsionice]

There is no ethnic breakdown of data in Germany and I doubt if the virus experts/government folks want to open up that issue.

You can view city by city German data, and generally...what you can say from babies to age 40, the death rate is like .00001. It’s hard from the 100,000 deaths to find anyone under the age of 20 dead from Covid, unless they had a serious secondary illness already existing.

So you go to the German data sets (all public information) and the two key groups are age 60 to 80, and 81-beyond. The death rate for 81-beyond is hovering around 17-to-20 percent, depending on what region you live in. For the 60 to 80 group...it’s close to 5-percent but it’s probably closer to the age 70 to 80, than below.

A Heidelberg pathologist looking at autopsies tried to explain the problem with secondary illnesses/health issues back in the summer, and got shut-down for the most part. It does play into the numbers game.

As for the mortality spike? I would attribute it to three reasons: (1) lesser vitamin D in people in the winter months, (2) feeling of invincibility in vaxed-up people (sold to them via public TV journalists), and (3) significant use of public transportation by urbanized Germans with more chances to pass it around.

One of the more prominent cases was a singer in Germany (fairly well known) who got Covid around end of 2020 (severe case). Around April/May, she got vaccinated (in theory, she would have a ton of antibodies). October came, and she got Covid a second time (severe case). Antibodies from first case dropped like a rock? Value of the vax in the spring...not worth discussing.

As for the hype having value? Key thing is hospital/ICU space and the amount of manpower for the quarantine wards. It was a problem before Covid ever came along. Nurses have been disgruntled in Germany for several decades (pay and respect are chief comments). So they aren’t really manned up to handle this. Some nurses comment that their patience level is peaking out and that stress will be an exit-issue in the next year. No one is suggesting the virus ever going away, and long-term...there’s issues brewing.

[LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget]

Most of the deaths related to COVID-19 can be traced back to unvaccinated people...

The mental gymnastics is getting more and more absurd.

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So true Andy. The idiots that are buying this kind of crap must be “Seven” degrees of Kevin Bacon.

Every murderer has a mother. Mothers are to blame for murder. <-— That level of logical thought, or complete lack thereof.

If I said what I think about the thinking ability of people that post this stuff to try and convince people to take the clot shot I would be insulting even the dumbest of stumps.

I will put it to you this way blue... my cardiologist, a world renowned guy because of the ground breaking procedures he has created is getting worried and no longer pushing the shot to his patients and is worried about having taken them himself. Why? Because of what he is seeing in his patients. We talked. He said the data they have been given by pharma/fda/cdc/etc does not correlate to what he is seeing in patients. To quote “I don’t know what the hell is going on.”

[kiryandil]

and is worried about having taken them himself

Tell him it's no big deal if he didn't get one of the "hot loads".

Just don't get the booster(s)...

[Gaffer]

Coma-induced intubation for ventilation is nothing but torture.

[blueplum]

You are missing the point in assuming discussing infection and death rates in Germany and elsewhere in the EU are ‘pushing’ vaccinations in the USA. I could care less if people refuse to get vaccinated as long as they do it the American way and accept financial responsibility for their decision.

” is getting worried and no longer pushing the shot to his patients “

well, ancedotally, mine feels pretty strongly getting sick with covid is not a preferable state, given that blood clotting, major and micro, is a signature symptom of covid. Along with heart, neurological and especially lung damage. Not to mention, after 2 years, hospital staff just aren’t at their best. Not a good recipe for optimum survival.

the thinking ability of people that post this stuff to try and convince people to take the clot shot

Yesterday, or maybe the day before, there were somewhere around 17 anti-vax scary stories in 12 hours, all guaranteeing death by vaccine, or death by hospitalization/nurse - and, in essence, encouraging people to freeze in fear and do nothing or, worse, blame the vaccinated for their infection. What does that say?

So the other side of the fence is, the sheer effort expended in the “mental gymnastics’ used by those who finance careers and try to build some sort of public persona by frightening the twitter verse from taking a vaccine that 8 billion people have taken to date. Propaganda created by the same profiteers and deathmerchants that ran for monoclonals when they got ill, but who keep it hush-hush and downplayed, hardly mentioned, less their entire preached ‘protocol’ that has made them so much money is blown out of the water — by science.

[Caipirabob]

We said. From a perspective of data analytics, it's not just mental gymnastics in place, it's the frikkin' olympics.

I just wish the people who were so heavily radicalized would fall back to the conservative position of personal freedom and what that implies on the matter.

And this especially given the desire to persuade the audience. They want the vaccine? They don't want the vaccine? Personal choice, whether yes or no, freedom is the key conservative point to push, not that "da debil" is or is not in the vaccine. People get crazy when they go down that rabbit hole.

It's made some threads on FR unrecognizable from DUh from a year ago.

Unfettered Radicalism...

[Caipirabob]

Errr... “Well said”. Not proofing reading is the devil.

[FreedomPoster]

I determined to my own satisfaction more than 18 months ago that the CDC was a fully woke political operation and that any success in their original stated mission would be coincidental. I posted about it here. Nothing that has occurred since then has made me question that assessment.

I would suggest to him that is what the hell is going on. You’ve got woke politically correct “medicine” going on.

[JonPreston]

The staggering insanity of trying to vaccinate our way out of a pandemic is seen in the collapse of Europe. Good luck everyone but remember, you’ve been lied to.

[binreadin]

On the surface your argument would seem to make sense, but then I ponder the fact that the same medical establishment pushing the vax has suppressed the use of very effective treatments for Covid, resulting in the unnecessary deaths of millions. They also pushed a “treatment” protocol that killed thousands more, including the use if Fauci’s pet drug and unnecessary intubation.

Why would you trust these people? I have worked in the public health sphere for years and I can assure you it is largely profit that drives many treatment decisions. Always do your own research and follow the money trails.

[bagster]

wow - 50% vented ICU mortality is way not good. US is around 22% I think. I've never seen an ethnic breakdown of German deaths; I wonder how the asian migrant population figures into the vaccination and morbidity rates?

You make me laugh, bluevax. When confronted with evidence that the vax truly IS the devil and you've been spectacularly wrong this whole time, you retreat and divert to 'maybe its the moslem's fault'.

Its okay to admit you were wrong. Go ahead....

#NiceDiversion

[bagster]

So the other side of the fence is, the sheer effort expended in the “mental gymnastics’ used by those who finance careers and try to build some sort of public persona by frightening the twitter verse from taking a vaccine that 8 billion people have taken to date. Propaganda created by the same profiteers and deathmerchants that ran for monoclonals when they got ill, but who keep it hush-hush and downplayed, hardly mentioned, less their entire preached ‘protocol’ that has made them so much money is blown out of the water — by science.

Its completely astonishing to see how you think, bluevax. You get it completely the opposite of the reality. Its like you take the truth, flip it upside down, replace 'vaxtard' with 'anti-vaxxer' and present your twisted, upside down argument.

Frikkin amazing.

[jersey117]

Because it’s still being deliberately spread around the world.