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More accurate clocks may add more disorder to the universe, scientists say
Live Science ^ | May 17, 2021 | Ben Turner - Staff Writer

Posted on 05/17/2021 8:22:05 PM PDT by LucyT

What’s the price of an accurate clock? Entropy, a new study has revealed.

Entropy — or disorder — is created every time a clock ticks. Now scientists working with a tiny clock have proven a simple relationship: The more accurate a clock runs, the more entropy it generates.

"If you want your clock to be more accurate, you’ve got to pay for it,” study co-author Natalia Ares, a physicist at the University of Oxford, told Live Science. “Every time we measure time, we are increasing the universe’s entropy."

As we go forward in time, the second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of a system must increase. Known as the "arrow of time," entropy is one of the few quantities in physics that sets time to go in a particular direction — from the past, where entropy was low, to the future, where it will be high.

This tendency for disorder to grow in the universe explains many things, such as why it’s easier to mix ingredients together than separate them out, or why headphone wires get so intricately tangled together in pants pockets.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: astronomy; clocks; entropy; physics; science; stringtheory; time
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It’s also through this growing disorder that entropy is wedded so intimately to our sense of time. A famous scene in Kurt Vonnegut’s novel "Slaughterhouse-Five" demonstrates how differently entropy makes one direction of time look to the other by playing World War II in reverse:
1 posted on 05/17/2021 8:22:05 PM PDT by LucyT
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2 posted on 05/17/2021 8:22:42 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Fascinating.


3 posted on 05/17/2021 8:24:11 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: LucyT

No, the measurement of time is not creating entropy, it’s exactly the opposite!

Entropy is creating the concept of time.


4 posted on 05/17/2021 8:29:59 PM PDT by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: LucyT

Allowances for the inaccuracies of the Gregorian calendar have been around for a while. We have Light Years, with a few extra days added onto the calendar.

Going from Central to Standard time, one often loses a certain amount of awake hours, and for some that means less sleeping time. We know. But we keep using this method anyway.
Each year, there is an outcry to finally get rid of the time switch. Nothing has changed thus far.


5 posted on 05/17/2021 8:30:44 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: LucyT

I do not understand how people can reconcile be second law of thermodynamics with evolution. I know I’ve heard the explanations of adding energy to the system or that overall entropy increases but you can have small pockets where it decreases etc. To me they are still diametrically opposed


6 posted on 05/17/2021 8:31:20 PM PDT by Mom MD ( )
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To: LucyT

That’s what I thought.


7 posted on 05/17/2021 8:36:08 PM PDT by ALASKA (Trump will win resoundingly, but it's not going to be pretty. )
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To: LucyT
"If you want your clock to be more accurate, you’ve got to pay for it

Look into my eyes
We both smile
But can you without trying?

Accuracy

8 posted on 05/17/2021 8:38:35 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Florida: America's new free zone.)
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To: LucyT

“This tendency for disorder to grow in the universe explains many things, such as why it’s easier to mix ingredients together than separate them out,”
Really? Try making a good vinaigrette or a homemade salad dressing. Getting the ingredients to properly emulsify and not break is a very delicate balance. Let them sit for any length of time and they separate on their own. I’m talking about all-natural homemade. Not commercial products.


9 posted on 05/17/2021 8:40:56 PM PDT by ocrp1982 ( Bibicly)
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To: Mom MD
I do not understand how people can reconcile be second law of thermodynamics with evolution. I know I’ve heard the explanations of adding energy to the system or that overall entropy increases but you can have small pockets where it decreases etc. To me they are still diametrically opposed

Processes involving symbolic information can be used to create "self-organizing systems." In most life forms on Earth, this symbolic information is encoded in DNA and RNA molecules. Once it is represented in this way, information can be copied with almost zero errors, which is the key to evolution; here the word "almost" has as much significance as the word "zero."

But the second law is still in effect; living creatures use energy to power the systems and cycles that enable that information copying process, which takes place in parallel within billions of cells across trillions of living systems every second of every hour of every day. That expenditure of energy increases the disorder of our world, but the flow of energy from the sun keeps re-ordering things, and the two processes are in approximate equilibrium, and have been for several billion years, although the equilibrium point changes slowly over time. Well, usually slowly.

10 posted on 05/17/2021 8:44:13 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: Don W

Time flies like an arrow.
Fruit flies like a banana.

Nature and all the critters probably laugh up their sleeves at our “clocks”.


11 posted on 05/17/2021 8:45:00 PM PDT by Salamander (Salamander has barbaric tendencies.../Gundog)
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To: lee martell

I like the time switch. (It’s a matter of constant controversy between me and my husband; but so is the eternal thermostat battle, so...)


12 posted on 05/17/2021 8:47:25 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: LucyT
When less accurate mechanical and automatic watches were replaced by more accurate quartz watches the watch industry referred to it as "The Quartz Crisis".

Little did they know back then what real crises would be unleashed upon the world by the increased accuracy.

Time to throw out the Casio's and replace them with Omega's.

13 posted on 05/17/2021 8:50:43 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: LucyT

You're two zeptoseconds late!   YOU'RE FIRED!

14 posted on 05/17/2021 8:51:01 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: All

The whole universe is looking in dismay everytime an accurate clock is built. Just don’t do it. You’ll kill us all.


15 posted on 05/17/2021 8:51:25 PM PDT by BipolarBob (This is my chainsaw. There are many like it but this one is mine.)
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To: Salamander

I don’t really care what the actual ‘time’ is; I’ve always kept all my clocks ten minutes ‘fast’.

Learned from my Grandma. Never sure what the accurate time is, but never late for anything...


16 posted on 05/17/2021 8:51:28 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: LucyT

“What’s the price of an accurate clock? Entropy, a new study has revealed. Entropy — or disorder — is created every time a clock ticks.”

What a silly statement.

When a clock ticks it takes energy. Energy input is derived from enthlapy (a higher energy state that can be defined as order.) When energy is taken out of this state disorder is greater and thus disorder become greater and thus entropy increases. It is really pretty simple.

I think this was postulated a couple of hundred years ago.


17 posted on 05/17/2021 8:52:19 PM PDT by cpdiii (Texan Coonass Cane Cutter Deckhand Roughneck Geologist Pilot Phamacist & much more education)
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To: LucyT

Who owns the measurement of time? When did it start when will it end? What “scientists? Name them


18 posted on 05/17/2021 8:53:42 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: All

I’m going to need Michio Kaku to explain this one.


19 posted on 05/17/2021 8:55:02 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: LucyT

Fight entropy. Stop clocks.


20 posted on 05/17/2021 8:58:59 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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