Posted on 05/16/2021 4:53:30 AM PDT by NonValueAdded
I post this in the forlorn hope that I can make an informed decision regarding the Covid vaccine choices available to me. Like many on this forum, I planned to hold out for the J&J vaccine until the world came clotting down. After reading the following article snippet, I have severe doubts about getting ANY vaccine until I understand just what the, pardon my French, phuck is going on. So I put letter references to my questions in the thread, looking for specific answers from the collected intelligence here.
When you get the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, the modified adenovirus is pulled inside your cells, where it travels to the cell nucleus, home to its DNA. The adenovirus then puts its DNA into the nucleus, the spike protein gene is read by the cell, and it’s then copied into messenger RNA, or mRNA. Your cells begin making spike proteins, which are then recognized by your immune system, causing your body to produce antibodies to the perceived threat.Holy GMO, Batman. You're gonna put that chit inside of yourself??? Just a cotton-picking moment, here. There's that mRNA again. Is this just a difference without distinction? Questions abound. See comment #1.Source: What to Know About Johnson & Johnson’s Single-Dose COVID-19 Vaccine
B. It seems J&J is using DNA to manufacture the mRNA to create spike proteins to trigger our natural defenses. Is this WORSE that Moderna/Pfizer vaccines in that they use the mRNA directly instead of programming OUR cells to create the mRNA? Seems to me that the J&J approach is even worse! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
C. Even if this introduced bit of DNA is not incorporated into our own, will it replicate along with our own DNA when the cell splits? Or is this one-and-done, not taking part in cellular mitosis?
D. Does the J&J vaccine target specific cells or will I have little spike factories in my liver, lung, pancreas, skin cells, etc.? Will it cross the blood-brain barrier and end up in my brain??? What is the longevity of this DNA.
E. Does this mean that vaccinated people can no longer use the PCR test? In other words, does the PCR test look for spike protein fragments? If so, then you are guaranteeing a positive test as long as the cells are cranking out the spike proteins.
F. My hope was that the J&J vaccine was like the traditional vaccines of my now ancient understanding. That is, dead or attenuated viral cells, which were what was injected, those cells incapable of replication, using our natural defense mechanisms to teach them how to identify and kill the real virus should we later become infected. Or using a live virus that was discomforting but not fatal, so that our body would also recognize the bad virus; infecting Cow Pox to stop Smallpox being the most familiar example. Now, I am certain that this is not the case for J&J and it goes on my Hell No list.
G. And what of these spike proteins swimming around in our bloodstream? Even without the attached viral body, do they bind to ACE2 receptors as they are designed to do, by nature or man? What is the effect of that? Is the cure as bad as the disease? Are there contraindications if you have certain medical issues? There is an interesting article about how the spike protein works here
H. Then there's this: Structural similarity between HIV-1 gp41 and SARS-CoV S2 proteins suggests an analogous membrane fusion mechanism.
So why are they using the spike protein as the prod for immunity? Is it to leverage progress towards a HIV vaccine or, in other words, an off-the-shelf approach to rapidly get these vaccines on the market? If so, an interesting approach but one that scares the hell out of me. We are truly playing with fire here. I recall articles early on in this contagion, talking about the spike protein coming from HIV. Now how did bats incorporate HIV into SARS-CoV??? Is this just a natural selection phenominon of a particularly effective invasion mechanism or did gain-of-function research create this monster, leveraging an efficient methodology for cellular invasion? That's a whole different discussion, but after reading this, it appears to be the former. But that's not to say the answer is mutually exclusive.
Summary. I am not an early adopter. You know, never install a Microsoft product until at least the third patch release. I don't want to be the one to absorb the learning curve. Sure, I may miss out on a great new thing but it will still be there when it is proven.
I am convinced that the life cycle of a drug ends with TV ads for the class action suit. Zantac, anyone? The sad fact is that today's modern miracle is tomorrow's tragedy. I am a DES baby. Thank goodness I'm male. How many of my generation's sisters were not so lucky. So I was horrified to hear a news report of pregnant mothers getting the vaccine. Were they properly informed of the risk? Or did they make an informed choice out of fear that they would not be around to raise their child? I pray that they have a healthy child and not a little spike machine.
I await your thoughtful answers to my questions. FR is an amazing eclectic collection of individuals and I am thankful for their contributions.
I’m waiting a minimum of five years before making a decision. More data needed
Since there are effective and inexpensive treatments for the disease, why are we relying on experimental vaccines that might have a deleterious long term effect?
I'm in relatively good physical/emotional shape, and have seen so many lies/falsehoods related to the Virus, treatments, transmissions, true death-rate, vaccines, etc., that I'm rightfully wary.
I'll wait another 18 months to see more data before I decide.
In the mean-time, whether I die from Covid-19 or the #7 bus on Main Street, I'm not staying here forever anyways.
I am NOT anti-vax so here’s my take on it. It’s too new for me yet. It hasn’t been fully trialed and is given by emergency authorization. When I saw my doctor, who is very pro-vax, she told me to get the flu shot and never mentioned the COVID vax. If she thought it was a good idea she would have said so.
I know doctors that have taken it and doctors that haven’t. The doctors that haven’t have had the same reason....too new and untested.
I know three people in my immediate family that have taken it with no issues.
I know one person in my husband’s family that took it and has recurring reactions of hives and rash to the point of visiting the ER three times so far.
I’ll wait.
Unless you're over 60, you'll probably be fine without it.
I’m waiting the same time I’ve waited on getting the flu vaccine. Never!!!
I recommend you buy or rent a good (pre-dumbed down) molecular biology of the cell text book and study it in depth for understanding. It won’t be time wasted and you’ll be less susceptible to pseudoscience.
This is an honest suggestion for your consideration.
I am over 60 with 3 co-morbidities. So I post because I need to know. I’m not ready to give up this lease on life. But I don’t want to evict myself.
thank you, I will.
This is a Bill Gates project. Bill Gates has an important obsession, population reduction. Bill Gates funds WHO enough that information coming therefrom is Bill Gates derived.
Excellent question and that is certainly my fall-back position.
Great, another Microsoft beta test. :)
“Or using a live virus that was discomforting but not fatal, so that our body would also recognize the bad virus; infecting Cow Pox to stop Smallpox being the most”
The J&J vaccine is that. It takes a common adenovirus that can at worst cause a minor cold and modifies it so that it looks enough like COVID that you immune system will track both down.
Like all viruses, including cowpox, it does this by getting into some of your cells and modifying them. The mRNA vaccines skip directly to this step. The important thing is the only cells it is modifying are a handful of muscle cells in your arm.
COVID, even with the best treatments, gets everywhere and is modifying cells throughout your body, which is why it causes such diverse symptoms.
On a related note, Dr. Fauci should be deported to China.
I'm sure I read somewhere that there is suppose to be a vaccine coming out in the fall that's made in the traditional way, using the dead virus.. That's the one I'm waiting for...
I like the way you think.. :)
I’m no scientist so I can’t answer any of your question.
But I did get the Pfizer shots. No outward ill effects.
I felt I had to because I travel internationally, a lot. At least I used to. I was sitting on a plane in Minneapolis, headed to Oslo when President Trump more or less shut down international air travel. I have a home in Sweden that I haven’t been to in well over a year.
But if you don’t plan on travelling and don’t have a job that requires the shot or have medical concerns, I would suggest skipping it for now.
What is the rush?
Why do any of it?
I don’t get flu shots. I don’t get numbed when I get dental work. I don’t drink too much and I don’t smoke.
I do practice reasonable hygiene. I wash my hands often. I stay out of tight crowds. I stay away from sick people as best I can.
I haven’t gotten a transmittable sickness in years except a common cold.
Best wishes and stay healthy!
I’m also waiting to see if the idiots mandate their answer over my choice
_IF_ you are COVID positive and _IF_ you exhibit \severe\ symptoms, the REAL recovery rate across all demographics is 97%.
Tell me, have you ever had a severe flu, felt miserable and then carried on after it was over?
Yeah, it be like that.
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