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A. Are we talking about separate DNA within the cell doing its own thing or are we talking about incorporating this DNA fragment into our own DNA, forever modifying it?

B. It seems J&J is using DNA to manufacture the mRNA to create spike proteins to trigger our natural defenses. Is this WORSE that Moderna/Pfizer vaccines in that they use the mRNA directly instead of programming OUR cells to create the mRNA? Seems to me that the J&J approach is even worse! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

C. Even if this introduced bit of DNA is not incorporated into our own, will it replicate along with our own DNA when the cell splits? Or is this one-and-done, not taking part in cellular mitosis?

D. Does the J&J vaccine target specific cells or will I have little spike factories in my liver, lung, pancreas, skin cells, etc.? Will it cross the blood-brain barrier and end up in my brain??? What is the longevity of this DNA.

E. Does this mean that vaccinated people can no longer use the PCR test? In other words, does the PCR test look for spike protein fragments? If so, then you are guaranteeing a positive test as long as the cells are cranking out the spike proteins.

F. My hope was that the J&J vaccine was like the traditional vaccines of my now ancient understanding. That is, dead or attenuated viral cells, which were what was injected, those cells incapable of replication, using our natural defense mechanisms to teach them how to identify and kill the real virus should we later become infected. Or using a live virus that was discomforting but not fatal, so that our body would also recognize the bad virus; infecting Cow Pox to stop Smallpox being the most familiar example. Now, I am certain that this is not the case for J&J and it goes on my Hell No list.

G. And what of these spike proteins swimming around in our bloodstream? Even without the attached viral body, do they bind to ACE2 receptors as they are designed to do, by nature or man? What is the effect of that? Is the cure as bad as the disease? Are there contraindications if you have certain medical issues? There is an interesting article about how the spike protein works here

H. Then there's this: Structural similarity between HIV-1 gp41 and SARS-CoV S2 proteins suggests an analogous membrane fusion mechanism.

So why are they using the spike protein as the prod for immunity? Is it to leverage progress towards a HIV vaccine or, in other words, an off-the-shelf approach to rapidly get these vaccines on the market? If so, an interesting approach but one that scares the hell out of me. We are truly playing with fire here. I recall articles early on in this contagion, talking about the spike protein coming from HIV. Now how did bats incorporate HIV into SARS-CoV??? Is this just a natural selection phenominon of a particularly effective invasion mechanism or did gain-of-function research create this monster, leveraging an efficient methodology for cellular invasion? That's a whole different discussion, but after reading this, it appears to be the former. But that's not to say the answer is mutually exclusive.

Summary. I am not an early adopter. You know, never install a Microsoft product until at least the third patch release. I don't want to be the one to absorb the learning curve. Sure, I may miss out on a great new thing but it will still be there when it is proven.

I am convinced that the life cycle of a drug ends with TV ads for the class action suit. Zantac, anyone? The sad fact is that today's modern miracle is tomorrow's tragedy. I am a DES baby. Thank goodness I'm male. How many of my generation's sisters were not so lucky. So I was horrified to hear a news report of pregnant mothers getting the vaccine. Were they properly informed of the risk? Or did they make an informed choice out of fear that they would not be around to raise their child? I pray that they have a healthy child and not a little spike machine.

I await your thoughtful answers to my questions. FR is an amazing eclectic collection of individuals and I am thankful for their contributions.

1 posted on 05/16/2021 4:53:30 AM PDT by NonValueAdded
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I’m waiting a minimum of five years before making a decision. More data needed


2 posted on 05/16/2021 5:00:52 AM PDT by no-to-illegals ( Liberals, leftists, Rinos, moslems, illegals, lamestream media. All want America to fail and die )
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Since there are effective and inexpensive treatments for the disease, why are we relying on experimental vaccines that might have a deleterious long term effect?


3 posted on 05/16/2021 5:01:23 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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If it was truly "life or death" for me, sure, I'd take the vaccine. But,

I'm in relatively good physical/emotional shape, and have seen so many lies/falsehoods related to the Virus, treatments, transmissions, true death-rate, vaccines, etc., that I'm rightfully wary.

I'll wait another 18 months to see more data before I decide.

In the mean-time, whether I die from Covid-19 or the #7 bus on Main Street, I'm not staying here forever anyways.

4 posted on 05/16/2021 5:02:09 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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I am NOT anti-vax so here’s my take on it. It’s too new for me yet. It hasn’t been fully trialed and is given by emergency authorization. When I saw my doctor, who is very pro-vax, she told me to get the flu shot and never mentioned the COVID vax. If she thought it was a good idea she would have said so.

I know doctors that have taken it and doctors that haven’t. The doctors that haven’t have had the same reason....too new and untested.

I know three people in my immediate family that have taken it with no issues.

I know one person in my husband’s family that took it and has recurring reactions of hives and rash to the point of visiting the ER three times so far.

I’ll wait.


5 posted on 05/16/2021 5:04:18 AM PDT by Tennessee Conservative
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Sounds like you've already made up your mind not to get it. Why bother posting?

Unless you're over 60, you'll probably be fine without it.

6 posted on 05/16/2021 5:04:46 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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I’m waiting the same time I’ve waited on getting the flu vaccine. Never!!!


7 posted on 05/16/2021 5:06:03 AM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (BOYCOTT The NFL, MLB, NBA, NASCAR & Faux Snooze! Molon Labe! Oathkeeper! )
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I recommend you buy or rent a good (pre-dumbed down) molecular biology of the cell text book and study it in depth for understanding. It won’t be time wasted and you’ll be less susceptible to pseudoscience.

This is an honest suggestion for your consideration.


8 posted on 05/16/2021 5:06:21 AM PDT by House Atreides
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I’m no scientist so I can’t answer any of your question.

But I did get the Pfizer shots. No outward ill effects.

I felt I had to because I travel internationally, a lot. At least I used to. I was sitting on a plane in Minneapolis, headed to Oslo when President Trump more or less shut down international air travel. I have a home in Sweden that I haven’t been to in well over a year.

But if you don’t plan on travelling and don’t have a job that requires the shot or have medical concerns, I would suggest skipping it for now.

What is the rush?

Why do any of it?

I don’t get flu shots. I don’t get numbed when I get dental work. I don’t drink too much and I don’t smoke.

I do practice reasonable hygiene. I wash my hands often. I stay out of tight crowds. I stay away from sick people as best I can.

I haven’t gotten a transmittable sickness in years except a common cold.

Best wishes and stay healthy!


18 posted on 05/16/2021 5:15:50 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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_IF_ you are COVID positive and _IF_ you exhibit \severe\ symptoms, the REAL recovery rate across all demographics is 97%.

Tell me, have you ever had a severe flu, felt miserable and then carried on after it was over?
Yeah, it be like that.


20 posted on 05/16/2021 5:18:46 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Patriots, stop looking at the politicians as enemies. Look at the complicit Legacy Media.)
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I got the J & J. I was sick for 24 hrs, but I also had Covid. I was fine. My mother nearly died from covid. Both my parents decided to get the vaccine. The clotting is not because of the vaccine. For some reason, the body’s response to Covid is clotting, which happened to my mother and a female student of mine who was 17 (Covid, not the shot). This is why people on blood thinners are typically doing ok with covid. 6 women out of 6 million have experienced clotting. Think reasonably, that’s pretty low.

I served in the military and have had lots of vaccines, without choice. I’ve had all my boosters (MMR, polio, etc), plus numerous flu vaccines, and I’m pretty sure I’ve had yellow fever and the anthrax vaccine, and the small pox vaccine for sure. The kicker for me is the Adenovirus shot. Still to this day, I don’t get the “crud”. When everyone gets the quasi-flu, I don’t get it.

J & J’s benefit is that it protects you against other corona viruses, and it’s one shot. I’m a disabled vet and I get about 6-8 migraines a month. With the mask wearing, I’m at about 3-4 a week. I really have suffered with the masks, and I felt like I had no choice on the vaccine.

Think about other medications that mess people up, at much higher rates, but no one talks about. Birth control has been messing women’s bodies up for decades, and no one will talk about it. I took the deprovera shot while on deployment and I gained 50 pounds in a month. But there are no headlines over adverse reactions to birth control, even though some doctors whisper of the issues.

There are so many things that people do that are a risk, more risky than the vaccine. My favorite is the people driving with masks on, but don’t make complete stops at stop signs and don’t wear seat belts.

Weigh your risk, but be rational about it, and don’t buy into all the hype, on either side.


28 posted on 05/16/2021 5:39:52 AM PDT by GeorgianaCavendish (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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No direct answers, but a comment. Covid is NOT Ebola. There wouldn’t be 500k dead; there would be 500 million dead.

If i were a woman of child-bearing age, i would not get this immunization. I am 69,yr old white male, want to travel again, and have my faith. Got immunized with Moderna only for politics of travel. It didn’t kill me, but i doubt it protects me.

My wife, fully immunized also three months , is still a mask Karen, cloth mask, everywhere


29 posted on 05/16/2021 5:43:18 AM PDT by drSteve78 (Je suis deplorable. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE)
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I had the virus in early Feb. 2020. i did not require any special treatment. I never take shots or medicine of any kind unless really needed. No vax for me.


36 posted on 05/16/2021 5:51:05 AM PDT by exnavy
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You’ll never get a definitive answer. But 3 doctors were on here last night discussing herd immunity and saying that we are basically there.

I’m sticking with the vitamin regimen and staying out of enclosed, poorly ventilated areas. It’s easy.


39 posted on 05/16/2021 6:00:50 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Any comment might be sarcasm, or not. It depends. Often I'm not sure either.)
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Read this first…

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3959573/posts?q=1&;page=51
46 posted on 05/16/2021 6:20:48 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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I would suggest you consult your doctor on something like this rather than an anonymous political chat site.


52 posted on 05/16/2021 6:52:42 AM PDT by plain talk
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SIMPLE! DON’T GET ONE (or 2).

You don’t need it.

It’s NOT a traditional “vaccine”. It’s a “warp speed” mRNA vaccine. NEVER BEFORE used on a large scale. YOU can be one of the FIRST.

It may kill you.

It may make you sick.

It may give you COVID.

You may get COVID anyway.

It may compromise your immune system.

It may change your DNA.

It may make you sterile.

There are available therapeutics/cures/prophylaxis that are SAFE so that you don’t NEED a vaccine.

And the pièce de résistance, there is a 99.?% chance that you won’t die from COVID even if you do get it.

But heh, if you want to get the “jab”, y’all go on ahead.


56 posted on 05/16/2021 7:17:08 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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Be AFRAID of liberals, leftists, communists, Democrats, socialists, and BIG Tech not COVID.


58 posted on 05/16/2021 7:21:33 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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Using mRNA to deliver a protein is a major medical advancement.

Yes, this will be used for treatment of HIV and various Cancers soon.

You’ve probably seen the 1-3 vaccine reactions trickle in from people afraid of the vaccine, mostly due to misinformation or misinterpretation ( VEARS) of information.

But here’s an interesting tidbit:

A population of 333 million.

Fully vaccinated are 150 plus Million. These are people that received at least One J&J vaccine (making them fully vaccinated) or Two injections of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, making them fully vaccinated.

Total, 260 Million Americans have received at least One vaccine injection (but as stated above some one or two making them fully vaccinated.)

That leaves 66 Million Americans Not vaccinated at all.

Of the 66 Million Americans, 60 Million of them are children under 15 years of age.

So basically, 6 Million American Adults have not received any dose of any of the 3 vaccines at all.


60 posted on 05/16/2021 7:30:00 AM PDT by David Chase
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The pcr test does not look for the spike protein.

It searches for a fragment of RNA that is present in sars cov2 and other viruses. I believe the segment searched varies by best kit. I also know that pcr is not recommended as a diagnostic tool, and that the method (number of cycles) is directly related to the percentage of false positives.

Often too many cycles are being run. The inventor of pcr objects to its current diagnostic use.


62 posted on 05/16/2021 7:32:42 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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I’d argue that informed consent is impossible.

We’ve been lied to by too many for too long on everything WuFlu related.

Folks are just gonna wing it.


63 posted on 05/16/2021 7:32:58 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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