Posted on 05/16/2021 4:53:30 AM PDT by NonValueAdded
I post this in the forlorn hope that I can make an informed decision regarding the Covid vaccine choices available to me. Like many on this forum, I planned to hold out for the J&J vaccine until the world came clotting down. After reading the following article snippet, I have severe doubts about getting ANY vaccine until I understand just what the, pardon my French, phuck is going on. So I put letter references to my questions in the thread, looking for specific answers from the collected intelligence here.
When you get the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, the modified adenovirus is pulled inside your cells, where it travels to the cell nucleus, home to its DNA. The adenovirus then puts its DNA into the nucleus, the spike protein gene is read by the cell, and it’s then copied into messenger RNA, or mRNA. Your cells begin making spike proteins, which are then recognized by your immune system, causing your body to produce antibodies to the perceived threat.Holy GMO, Batman. You're gonna put that chit inside of yourself??? Just a cotton-picking moment, here. There's that mRNA again. Is this just a difference without distinction? Questions abound. See comment #1.Source: What to Know About Johnson & Johnson’s Single-Dose COVID-19 Vaccine
arthurus wrote: “Keep your Vitamin D blood levels up. You may still get he CCPFlu but it will not be serious enough to send you to the ER. Everyone admitted tests low vitamin D.”
Which does not prove that high Vitamin D prevents COVID. You’re confusing correlation with causation.
The pcr test does not look for the spike protein.
It searches for a fragment of RNA that is present in sars cov2 and other viruses. I believe the segment searched varies by best kit. I also know that pcr is not recommended as a diagnostic tool, and that the method (number of cycles) is directly related to the percentage of false positives.
Often too many cycles are being run. The inventor of pcr objects to its current diagnostic use.
I’d argue that informed consent is impossible.
We’ve been lied to by too many for too long on everything WuFlu related.
Folks are just gonna wing it.
Thank you
That said, I did get the Swine Flu shot back in the 70's and for the first year in my life I did not have a winter cold. I wonder what the technology was back then.
First of all, none of these are traditional vaccines, per se. Their effectiveness has not been given enough time to calculate.
Secondly, the J&J uses fetal cells (aborted babies) for production of the vaccine,
Third, the number of people actually dying from Covid is no more than the flu,
Forth, the vaccine seems to require multiple shots to retain effectiveness, if there is such a thing as effectiveness,
Fifth, there are many contraindications....which seem to be worse in women, but have affected men,
Sixth, the CDC has stopped taking records of adverse reactions to ANY of the vaccines.
Seventh, you sign a waiver excusing the government AND the vaccine producer from any liability should you die or develop another severe reaction.
Eighth, the pamphlet that comes in the box with the vial is totally blank, so you cannot read anything about the vaccine before taking it to make an educated choice ( I know this b/c I had to administer one of the vaccines to inmates at the prison where I work as an RN.)
Ninth, You can still get Covid. My son’s mother-in-law got a pretty severe case after being vaccinated.
Tenth, you are infectious to other people for an unknown number of days, weeks...who knows, after taking the vaccine (My son & his wife both got Covid from his in-laws & my son nearly died.
Eleventh, Hydroxychloroquine cannot be written as a prescription for Covid or the MD can lose his license, put his whole office group under suspension...and neither can they write an RX for Ivermectin.
Twellth, IMHO, it is still too dangerous. There are many articles that find that certain groups begin to show early signs of dementia, some lose their long term memory, some will become sterile and not be able to produce children, some will develop deadly blood clots in which the normal TX of Heparin or Coumadin will not work.
These are a few I can think of off the top of my head.
If you cannot take the flu shot, do NOT take these vaccinations....any of them! Hope this helps! There is NO rush to take one of these. We need to see more evidence.
That goes without saying, but in good old FR tradition, I'll say it anyway. :) Don't be too quick to discount the collective wisdom here on FR. This is not your typical political chat site. We seem to have true subject matter experts on just about everything, Buckhead and Dan Rather being the archetype. I would be a fool not to tap into that, but will filter the wheat from the chaff. And I have a very large grain of salt sitting right beside me. When I talk to my doc, I want to have a base of knowledge for that discussion.
Exactly right. I agree herd immunity will be reached without everyone getting vaccinated.
It’s really the beauty of choice. As always, I respect anyone’s choice in the matter.
1970s Flu vaccines used a Live Virus I believe.
I’m very excited about where medical technology will go now.
But, I hope the best for you and your family.
Can’t wait for this to be finally over and on to Covid-20......LOL
36% of the US population is fully vaccinated.
Looking at two different sites, we can kind of gauge vaccine death rates per age group. I say kind of because VAERS data is as of 30 Apr while the other site has current vaccine data is as of yesterday. And the age groups do not exactly line up.
This site gives doses per age group: https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/ which is helpful in determining if vaccines are safe by an age group.
Deaths per age group / # of vaccines by age group (at least one dose)
0-18: 9 / 2.148 mil = 0.00042% = 4.2 per mil
18-29: 32 / 19.350 mil = 0.00017% = 1.7 per mil
30-39: 60 / 19.880 mil = 0.00030% = 3.0 per mil
40-49: 103 / 20.937 mil = 0.00049% = 4.9 per mil
50-64: 507 / 40.638 mil = 0.0012% = 12 per mil
65+: 2748 / 44.020 mil = 0.0062% = 62 per mil
The overall death rate for vaccines is 0.0015% or 15 per mil. So, all age groups have less of a chance of dying from vaccine than the average except when one is over 65 years old. I suspect, because VAERS combines all ages 65 and older while the other site does not that really if one is 70 year or younger, the chance of dying from the vaccine is less than the overall average.
Comparing this vaccine data to COVID data, we have COVID deaths / vaccine death = how much safer is vaccine:
0-18: 0.002% / 0.00042% = 4.8 (0.3% if only 6% of WITH COVID deaths are really FROM COVID)
18-29: 0.014% / 0.00017% = 82 (4.9)
30-39: 0.047% / 0.00030% = 156 (9.4)
40-49: 0.157% / 0.00049% = 320 (19.2)
50-64: 0.739% / 0.0012% = 616 (37)
65+: 9.250% / 0.0062% = 1,492 (90)
Not sure a lot of benefit to take vaccine for folks under 18 unless a school mandates it which I suspect will happen once full FDA approval occurs which I suspect o/a end of Jun.
Adults 30-39 years old, there seems to be a pretty significant benefit for the vaccine vice getting COVID as dying from COVID is at least ~10 more of a risk versus the vaccine, at most 156 times a risk. The actual number is probably around half of the 156 number, or around 78 times less risky given what I have read over the last year.
Seems everybody 30 and older have a much less risk of dying from vaccine as they do from COVID.
I think it is also smart for the 18-29 group looking at the data. Vaccines are probably about 40 times safer.
Under 18, it is more of a crap shoot, IMO. Data wise, I could see mandating it for HS students, but not younger than that.
Breaking up COVID death rate versus vaccine death rate a bit more we can tease a bit more out of the data, but the data also becomes less accurate. COVID death rate / vaccine death rate = vaccine X times safer than WITH COVID deaths (vaccine X times than FROM COVID deaths). Probable real number
5 yo: 0.001% / 0.00042% = 2.4 (0.14). 1.2 times
10 yo: 0.002% / 0.0042% = 4.8 (0.29). 2.4 times
15 yo: 0.003% / 0.0042% = 7.1 (0.43). 3.6 times
Again, just playing around with data to help folks choose a way ahead.
Pick your poison.
I go the J&J with no issues. It didn’t even hurt. My wife had both injections of the Phizer. No issues. We are both in our late 60’s. Even though she’s had a shingles vaccination, my wife had a small outbreak of shingles last week. WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! Phizer causes shingles!
Oh, wait. She had occasional shingles flair ups before the Phizer. Nevermind.
I would avoid getting medical advice from an anonymous political chat site - period.
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My reply: Studying molecular biology won't help, but it would be interesting.
Noting the risks and benefits help make that decision, and most talk of risks and those who describe it to us is censored, purged, banned etc.
We should have access to unrestricted risk/benefit analysis, we should be able to decide not to have a medical treatment if we don't like the risks.
The arm twisting, propaganda, censorship, and bribes tell the whole story.
The fact that the CDC PREVENTED treatment of sick people with FDA approved drugs proven safe and well tolerated for years, instead letting them sicken and die without medication, tells the story.
The CDC redefined the word "vaccine" for Covid-19 and then Mirriam Webster changed it's online definition of 'vaccine' in response. This occurred because traditionally being immune following vaccination meant you don't get sick and you don't spread the disease to others. Covid-19 'vaccines' dont' fit that definition - you can get sick and you can spread infection. In fact, the '3rd wave' of Covid is predicted by many to consist of 'breakthrough' cases.
The CDC redefined 'cases' of illness for the Covid plandemic. Before, it meant you were ill. Now, a 'case' may mean you're not ill, have no symptoms etc. It just means that you had a positive PCR test.
The CDC redefined the word 'test' as in 'medical test' or 'test for disease'. The PCR is not a test for illness, it's a research tool used to exaggerate the presence of minute amounts of material in order to find it given its presence in such small amounts it would otherwise be overlooked.
The CDC redefined it's role - it's not trying to control disease now, it's investing all it's energies into forcing the public to ignore all other medical information outside it's own opinion and to 'wait' for vaccinse, participate in vaccine trials. The CDC has no plans to obtain a test that identifies the disease or to advocate taking adequate vitaimins (D, C, Zinc etc.) or to identify the best treatment protocols and help make them available.
The CDC has redefined the role of the FDA. Supposedly the CDC would help evaluate all reports of death being reported following Covid vaccination to determine if there were which were caused or provoked by the vaccine itself. Instead, the CDC used unnamed, untrained FDA doctors, spent too little time in review, and pronounced all 4000 reported deaths for Covid Vaccinse (and that's just a fraction of the reports the CDC has received - another 80% of reports have not yet been published).
The CDC has redefined integrity - it benefits from donors like Bill Gates (largest donor), George Soros, Pfizer etc. through its CDC Foundation. In short, the CDC is carrying out the will of our enemies.
There are other concerpts the CDC has bent and broken for the Covid-19 plandemic. Our entire society is being ripped up to fit a narrative.
Studying a molecular biology book won't make any of these actual challenges to reason more comprehensible.
I recommend watching this 30 minute video, or reading the notes covering the first 20 minutes of the video, by Dr. McCullough. He covers the bases and is specializing in the treatment of Covid-19. He says the risks of the vaccine are unprecedented, and backs it up with data. He points out that 95% efficacy in vaccines, is not what people think it means. He has a great overview you might find very helpful because it puts information in context.
The following links are optional in case you'd like more info.
Note that the claims of efficacy are made by pharma conducting 'trials' that last about 2months, not the years of study required for FDA approval.. Note also that pharma expects you to accept additional risk every time you get a booster or follow up Covid vax.
Here's a public hearing with stated concerns by a doctor which the CDC has ignored:
Note that Israel was held up by their vax lobby as a shining example of perfection, until citizens and doctors got hold of data themselves and made it to a microphone. The truth is ugly. Prayers up for Israel, and for the US, and all peoples being lied to about these 'vaccines'.
There were drugs to treat this disease.
But, if they used them and showed the populace that there was treatment, successful treatment, then they could not get the Emergency Authorization Use for these “vaccines”. EAU requires that there is no successful treatment available.
No. D probably does not prevent CCP but it will ameliorate it. I know quite a few people now who have been taking D3 for a few years and who got it in Feb-March last year. None had it as bad as normal bouts of flu. One went to the doctor with pneumonia and he cleared that up with normal treatment, an antibiotic and an albuterol inhaler.
The drama queens are the Vax-Zombies DEMANDING we get the jab, GLOATING that it's inevitable, and DENYING that they're doing it.
Việt Nam is pretty close to tropical and has a high sun all year around. The only people who normally get seasonal flu- which is all year in Việt Nam- are women who still dress traditionally and never let the sun strike their skin because they have heard from their mothers since birth, "Never let the sun ouch your skin or you will turn black and never get a husband." With the younger ones now all adopting western fashions with bare arms and legs and getting their mothers to do it, too, flu is declining precipitously. The government is merely copying what other countries not so blessed with high sunshine are doing. The Cúm Vũ Hàn i.e. COVID is still in the low thousands of hospitalizations and the low hundreds for deaths which could probably have been mostly prevented by merely putting their clinic beds outside on the sidewalk in the daytime. One thing noted by the doctors in America during the 1918 pandemic was that patients who were put outside did better than those ho stayed in.
Love your Groucho Marx tagline!
arthurus wrote: :No. D probably does not prevent CCP but it will ameliorate it. I know quite a few people now who have been taking D3 for a few years and who got it in Feb-March last year. None had it as bad as normal bouts of flu. One went to the doctor with pneumonia and he cleared that up with normal treatment, an antibiotic and an albuterol inhaler.”
I’m not so sure it’s the Vitamin D. Sure, people with high levels of Vitamin D do better, but is that because of the Vitamin D or because of something else. It’s been known for some time that people with high levels of Vitamin D are healthier, on average, than those who don’t. It’s been hypothesized that people who are healthier are out in the sun more and therefore, they have higher levels of Vitamin D. But the question is, does the higher levels of Vitamin D make them healthier or do they have high levels of Vitamin D because they are healthier. It should be obvious that healthier people will suffer less from COVID than those who are not so healthy. Perfect example of chickens and eggs.
ThanhPhero wrote: “In Việt Nam the country still has closed borders and the government tells everyone how bad the infestation has become....”
I suspect another causative factor is the general health of the Vietnamese population. I suspect heart disease is no where near as prevalent as in the US. I’ve never met an obese Vietnamese either. Comorbidities are simply not as prevalent as in the US.
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