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Check Your Understanding Of The "Efficacy" Claims For 'Vaccines': The Claim "95% Effective" Means A Fraction Of 1% Of The Vaccinated Are "Protected" For 2 Months
5/7/2021 | vanity

Posted on 05/07/2021 3:18:12 PM PDT by ransomnote

Many FALSELY believe that having a Covid-19 vaccine with a 95% efficacy rate means they have 95% chance of staying healthy, and a 5% chance of getting sick. That would only be true if the often quoted efficacy rate referred to Relative Risk Reduction (RRR).

The Pharma companies, NIH, CDC, Fauci, Biden Administration appear to be satisfied that the public is not aware of what 'vaccine' claims like ‘95% effective’ actually mean.

Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) would have to be calculated to know the percent reduction of risk of illness following vaccination. I haven't seen any commentary in all the advertising which uses ARR statistics.

To calculate ARR, the % of persons expected to become ill following vaccination is subtracted from the % of persons who would have become ill if they hadn't had the vaccine. 

Using Pfizer's data, without a vaccine people have a .93% chance of becoming ill with Covid-19 in the next 2 months (duration of Pfizer’s study). 

According to Pfizer, if they have the vaccine, their risk of illness over the next 2 months drops from .93 of one percent, to .05 of one percent (rounded). We don't know how many would have become ill if the study continued beyond 2 months so that theoretical 'protection' has a time frame.

A nice walk through of the math involved is provided by a former math professor who doesn’t have a dog in this fight, he just wants people to understand math because…well…you can take a math professor out of the math lab but you can’t take the math out of the professor.  

Prof. Richard Zucker illustrates his point first by walking through calculations for Measles, and then through the same calculations for Covid-19.

Measures of Vaccine Effectiveness - YouTube (17 minute video)

He compares this value with prior Measles vaccinations, in which you would have to vaccinate 1.3 children to protect 1 child from the disease. He shows through his calculations, using Pfizer’s data, 113 people have to be vaccinated to protect 1 person from becoming ill with Covid-19.

(IMAGE BELOW from Professor Zucker's video)

I think the the number of persons vaccinated required to "protect" one person from Covid-19 must be continually increasing, because many have already had Covid-19 and the risk of becoming ill from it is decreasing, and presummably the vaccinated are a little less vulnerable to illness as well. I've not seen any calculations about the percentages of people harmed by the 'vaccines'.

Those pushing for ‘herd immunity,’ and reasoning as if only vaccines can provide immunity, often state that the non-vaccinated are ‘holding us back’. In reality, because the risk of getting Covid-19 to those who have not yet had it is under 1%, the public health benefit of any vaccine of any efficacy rate is also going to be under 1% to those who haven't already had Covid-19.

Those who have had Covid-19 already have antibodies and do not benefit from vaccination, according to physicians like Dr. McCullough, who has worked with a team of physicians who developed a treatment protocol that reduces deaths from Covid-19 among the vulnerable by 85%. You may read about (print out) their medication protocol or watch the first 7 minutes of the video at the link below:

COVID Vaccine Killing Huge Numbers, Warns Leading Doctor – Liberty Sentinel [32 minute video] (freerepublic.com)

Now the public is being wooed with prizes and treats if they get vaccinated. 100$ savings bonds (WV, for ages 19 to 35), beer, nightclubs, museum passes, and other perks await the vaccine submission.

What's Behind Vaccine Hysteria? - American Thinker

The Yankees and Mets announced the stadiums will once again be open, but the vaccinated will ‘get’ to sit next to each other and the unvaccinated will have to socially distance. Yet we’re talking about a less than 1% chance of illness in the vaccinated section compared with a less than 1% chance of illness in the vaccinated section seated outdoors, all wearing masks.

Continued employment is a perk looming on the horizon. Commerce and travel, all of it tied to less than 1% difference with or without the vax.

Bills GM to cut players who refuse The Vaccine… [Buffalo]

The young and the healthy are likely the dominant demographic in a baseball stadium, so the risk of illness at a football stadium is actually smaller than Pfizer’s 2 month trial data .93% risk. So the benefits of vaccination would be smaller still.

The unvaccinated could get Covid-19  in the next 2 months, and if so, they are likely to recover and if particularly vulnerable (elderly, immune suppressed etc.), can use available treatments which are 85% effective. If those physicians and researchers who claim immunity is lasting are correct, why should those who've already had Covid-19 undergo the compounded risks of vaccination as they receive repeated ‘booster’ vaccination?

Why is there no real risk-benefit analysis in the push to vaccinate everyone with experimental products? The CDC’s documentation indicates boosters will not have to undergo the testing that the initial vaccines underwent. 

The vaccines have risks, some of which are unknown and may result in ADE or other autoimmune illnesses. The vaccine trials were too short to tell us if they are safe, for whom, or for how long.

There’s evidence that the ‘vaccines’ promote the production of spike proteins that are themselves toxic to human health, and those vaccinated will not have a way to halt the production of those spike proteins in their bodies. I’ve heard (been shouted at) that the spike proteins won’t endure past a few days, weeks or months, but that assertion is insufficiently tested to promote as fact.

Some trolls gleefully post that the vaccines will likely be reclassified as ‘FDA approved’ within months to reduce the public’s ‘vaccine hesitancy’; not that the ‘vaccines’ will undergo the needed 10+  years of extensive testing for standard ‘FDA Approval’, but that they will simply be ‘reclassified’ for marketing purposes.

Pfizer asks FDA for full approval of coronavirus vaccine (msn.com)

Those trolls brag that once FDA approved, the fake vaccines can then be made mandatory. Imagine the quality of your life if the thought of other Americans receiving experimental vaccines against their will, in violation of their human and Constitutional Rights, made you felt superior and proud.

The Biden Administration will discover that the American public has, can and will say “NO!” to the destruction of freedom in our nation.  Every day, more are waking up and seeing through the propaganda.

Vaccine specialists like Geert Vanden Bossche are warning that mass vaccinating a population in the middle of an outbreak, as we are told we are living through for a year now, is expected to lead to the development of stronger strains that we would face had we waited for natural herd immunity and treated the ill instead of withholding FDA approved medications. I hope he and the others saying this are wrong.

Given the hard salesmanship, the stripping of our rights, censorship, the violations of the Nuremburg Code of 1948 regarding informed consent, and threats/plans to institute shunning and steady advancement of vaccine passports, I believe the warnings are true.

I don’t believe the stated reason for the vaccinations, presumably Covid-19, explains the dictatorial grasping manner the Biden Administration is trying to treat us like livestock and ‘have us’ mass vaccinated. These bizarre tactics are not medically driven.

Want more proof?

New study from the UK government predicts 60-70% of future Covid deaths will be of those who had the 2nd shot of vaccines....

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/spi-m-o-summary-of-further-modelling-of-easing-restrictions-roadmap-step-2-31-march-2021

Of course we're hearing about 'variants' and the experts don't agree on whether or not our natural immunity to Covid-19 or 'vaccines' will protect us.

There are reasons why vaccination may not provide the benefits to public health claimed by manufacturers, the CDC, Fauci, and the co-owners of Moderna's patent in the NIH.

Italian Researchers: Vaccines Will Not Work Because SARS-CoV-2 Is Also Entering Bacteria (freerepublic.com)

The push for vaccination, 'vaccine apartheid', vaccination passports and vaccination risk censorship is not based on science.


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1 posted on 05/07/2021 3:18:12 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Cathi; bagster; Jane Long; Unrepentant VN Vet; metmom; Fractal Trader; SecAmndmt; ...

(h/t Cathi for the link to Prof Zucker’s video)

PING


2 posted on 05/07/2021 3:20:26 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

Vaccine industry is a giant fraud They don’t work and harm a lot of people seriously harm a lot of people


3 posted on 05/07/2021 3:23:40 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (Arizona !!!! Now the TRUMP TRAIN is getting back on TRACK ! TRUTH! )
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To: ransomnote

In before the totalitarian trolls from the Biden Admin...


4 posted on 05/07/2021 3:24:23 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: ransomnote

5 posted on 05/07/2021 3:25:00 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: ransomnote

I’m not a doctor, and I don’t play one on TV. I do have an advanced degree in mathematics/computer science.

There’s a significant misunderstanding about the statistics determined in lab trials. The stuff above doesn’t help.

I recommend reading this article about vaccine efficacy:
https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html


6 posted on 05/07/2021 3:29:17 PM PDT by budj (Combat vet, 2nd of three generations.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Haha...and there are a BUNCH of them in here.


7 posted on 05/07/2021 3:30:18 PM PDT by tatown
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To: ransomnote

Will be happy when this crap is out of my body, if it ever is. My husband and self had our 2nd Pfizer shot on March 3rd. I was in bed two days with fever, chills and extreme fatigue. Really haven’t felt great since. My husband and I, BOTH, have developed vertigo and lightheadness, (never had anything like this before) in the past week. I have been to our family doctor, an ENT and an Opthamoligist. Next week an appointment with a physical therapist to see if I have a vestibular problem and if that doesn’t work, I have to have an MRI. I just read that this is a delayed side effect of the vaccine.

ONE OF THE WORST MISTAKES OF MY LIFE.


8 posted on 05/07/2021 3:30:48 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: ransomnote
That may be too much sense for the common vax-bot. And too much reading.

I predict massive head explosions.

3...2....1.....


9 posted on 05/07/2021 3:34:19 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: budj
What do you say to a Phase 3 clinical trial on one of the mRNA jabs which had a TOTAL of 24 subjects in the experimental and control groups *combined*?

...in the New England Journal of Medicine, no less.

10 posted on 05/07/2021 3:34:26 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: bagster

11 posted on 05/07/2021 3:35:22 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: budj

This is poor statistical analysis and is math used to advance an agenda. On its face it’s a bad vanity.

That being said all one has to do is look at Israel to determine population efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine. It is easy to spot.


12 posted on 05/07/2021 3:43:42 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: bagster

Q math is much too complicated to understand. Just trust the plan folks.


13 posted on 05/07/2021 3:45:30 PM PDT by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdzcm,.dadfjl,dz )
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To: ransomnote

I still would like to see the list of adverse reactions to all the COVID vaccines both what the listed side effects are (if there is such a list) and what the population has suffered so far; I keep hearing that ‘oh well, only point zero zero zero out of several million were affected’ - well where’s the listing?


14 posted on 05/07/2021 3:47:37 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If At First You Don't Succeed ~ So Much For Skydiving)
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To: budj
(Math) Prof. Richard Zucker illustrates his point...

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I (budj) do have an advanced degree in mathematics/computer science.


15 posted on 05/07/2021 3:47:49 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: ransomnote

Complete and total bovine feces.

First of all protection last at least 6 months. Maybe more but that is where the studies ended for Pfizer and Moderna.

Second what the 95% actually means is that vaccinated people had a 95% lower risk of getting COVID-19 compared with the control group participants, who weren’t vaccinated. In other words, vaccinated people in the Pfizer clinical trial were 20 times less likely than the control group to get COVID-19. 5% of vaccinated people didn’t get sick because not 100% of unvaccinated got sick. .04% of vaccinated people got sick in the Pfizer study.


16 posted on 05/07/2021 3:49:55 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: ransomnote

Why do you care if others want to vaccinated?


17 posted on 05/07/2021 3:53:06 PM PDT by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Toespi

Thanks for sharing your experience, Toespi. Best wishes to you and your husband.


18 posted on 05/07/2021 3:54:05 PM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: gas_dr
This is poor statistical analysis and is math used to advance an agenda. On its face it’s a bad vanity.

Is there nothing this man doesn't know?

19 posted on 05/07/2021 3:54:31 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: ransomnote
He compares this value with prior Measles vaccinations, in which you would have to vaccinate 1.3 children to protect 1 child from the disease. He shows through his calculations, using Pfizer’s data, 113 people have to be vaccinated to protect 1 person from becoming ill with Covid-19.

But, as you stated before, this is the two month calculation for Covid. How long is the measles counted to get to the 1.3 number? 18 years of childhood? A whole lifetime? That is a big apples to oranges comparison.

20 posted on 05/07/2021 3:55:37 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Police should refuse duty at NBA venues. Let them wallow in their desired chaos without police.)
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