Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Check Your Understanding Of The "Efficacy" Claims For 'Vaccines': The Claim "95% Effective" Means A Fraction Of 1% Of The Vaccinated Are "Protected" For 2 Months
5/7/2021 | vanity

Posted on 05/07/2021 3:18:12 PM PDT by ransomnote

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 141-148 next last
To: ransomnote

Excellent article on Absolute relative risk for Covid vax


61 posted on 05/07/2021 5:27:47 PM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (political class.......TERM LIMITS NOW!!!!!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KarlInOhio

Not sure you’ll find the answer to your question but the comments here are very helpful understanding this concept:

https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2021/04/12/relative-vs-absolute-risk-reduction-500-doctors-want-to-know/

“We are fortunate to live in a time when the ARR of a smallpox vaccine is zero. Even one with an RRR of 100%. But that is largely because a high-RRR vaccine was administered globally for decades when any measure of the ARR was vanishingly close to zero.”


62 posted on 05/07/2021 5:28:25 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: CJ Wolf

Thank you.


63 posted on 05/07/2021 5:28:52 PM PDT by Roccus (Prima di ogni altra cosa, siate armati!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: gas_dr; budj; ransomnote
Sir, RansomNote’s description is exactly what the Live Science link BudJ posted:

“What the 95% actually means is that vaccinated people had a 95% lower risk of getting COVID-19 compared with the control group participants, who weren't vaccinated. In other words, vaccinated people in the Pfizer clinical trial were 20 times less likely than the control group to get COVID-19.”

Also, from Live Science:

“All three vaccines were 100% effective at preventing severe disease six weeks after the first dose (for Moderna) or seven weeks after the first dose (for Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson, the latter of which requires only one dose). Zero vaccinated people in any of the trials were hospitalized or died of COVID-19 after the vaccines had fully taken effect.”

We aren‘t told of how many in the control group had “severe disease,” but it too could have been 100%.

64 posted on 05/07/2021 5:29:55 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: ransomnote

🔝


65 posted on 05/07/2021 5:32:26 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ransomnote; 2aProtectsTheRest; All
On another vax thread, the notorious pharma vax shill, 2aProtectsTheRest, gets summarily tried, convicted, and found wanting, as he gets ripped to shreds (AGAIN) by Ransomnote.

Kinda a dead thread, so I think this public flogging needs more eyes on.

Down Goes 2a!!!

#VaxWars


66 posted on 05/07/2021 5:38:31 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: mrsmith
“We are fortunate to live in a time when the ARR of a smallpox vaccine is zero. Even one with an RRR of 100%. But that is largely because a high-RRR vaccine was administered globally for decades when any measure of the ARR was vanishingly close to zero.”

You're aware that the smallpox vaccine and the rona 'vaccine' are two different things, right?

Crazy how science works, amirite?


67 posted on 05/07/2021 5:41:45 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: budj

Thank you for providing a link that explains vaccine efficacy.


68 posted on 05/07/2021 5:42:26 PM PDT by hawkaw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Stravinsky
Hopefully they will reject misinformation such as this and get vaccinated if they haven’t already

Thanks for your concern.

HOWEVER

I'm rapidly closing in on 80, have already had COVID (along with my 75yo bride), both fully recovered and...

None of our extended family would even consider that VAX.

Reasons:

1) I've only related my past experiences with gummint stuff over the years ('Nam + 15 yrs Aerospace + general observations of the past 30 years or so) and resulting "deep suspicions".

2) Grandma's family experiences with BLM, Forest "Service" and Dept of Agriculture have led them to much the same low opinion of all things Beltway.

3) The past ten to fifteen years of MSM/DS/Gov machinations, including entire COVID excercise with the final Vomit Topping on the Sh**burger being the gross fraud election and that farce on Dec 6 to stonewall it.

.....

Should I go further, or can you spell out "Total lack of faith and trust" for yourself?

(BTW, I'm not going anywhere. Navy Corpsman told me long ago I must think I'm too mean and ugly to die and I'm not going to disappoint that good man.)

69 posted on 05/07/2021 5:42:38 PM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? And I said, Here am I; send me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: gas_dr; budj; ransomnote
Here's a pretty funny quote from the Live Science article:

“One common misunderstanding is that 95% efficacy means that in the Pfizer clinical trial, 5% of vaccinated people got COVID. But that's not true; the actual percentage of vaccinated people in the Pfizer (and Moderna) trials who got COVID-19 was about a hundred times less than that: 0.04%.”

That sounds remarkable, right? “One hundred times less” sounds incredible.

However, they leave out that the control group had under a 1% of getting COVID-19 WITHOUT A VACCINE TO HELP THEM.

The legit Pfizer number is mentioned only in RansomNote’s post, showing 0.93% of all control people got COVID-19.

So non-vaccinated people have a “99+ times less chance” of getting COVID-19, as well.

70 posted on 05/07/2021 5:42:57 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: ransomnote

Of they are all shedding those spike proteins all over the rest of us. 😣


71 posted on 05/07/2021 5:55:08 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Unrepentant VN Vet
(BTW, I'm not going anywhere. Navy Corpsman told me long ago I must think I'm too mean and ugly to die and I'm not going to disappoint that good man.)


72 posted on 05/07/2021 5:55:56 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]

To: ifinnegan; ransomnote
Why do you care if others want to vaccinated?


73 posted on 05/07/2021 6:06:34 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: CrimsonTidegirl

Biden shill spotted.

President Trump, the leader of Operation Warp Speed would beg to differ.

I'm old enough to remember when it was the leftist kooks that all swore they'd never take the "Trump vaccine." Seems the left doesn't have a monopoly

74 posted on 05/07/2021 6:07:16 PM PDT by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdzcm,.dadfjl,dz )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: bagster

That’s what the people who think everyone should get vaccinated and stay home and wear masks etc...think.


75 posted on 05/07/2021 6:08:52 PM PDT by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]

To: ifinnegan
That’s what the people who think everyone should get vaccinated and stay home and wear masks etc...think.

They're wrong.

I'm right.

Stop following the left. You'll get gas.


76 posted on 05/07/2021 6:21:49 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: ifinnegan
That’s what the people who think everyone should get vaccinated and stay home and wear masks etc...think.

p.s. The left thinks they're everybody's daddy.

There's a difference.

Google it.

If you saw humanity walking toward a cliff intent on jumping off, would you at least try to stop them?

(assuming they're not ALL democrats, of course)


77 posted on 05/07/2021 6:26:23 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: Roccus

I agree, hope your sis fully recovers. What some may be going through, health wise, might not be related at all to COVID or the vaccine. BUT, the lies, secrecy, stolen election, and massive liberal government takeover creates fear and mistrust of this corrupt government.

Think about it, just over a year and half ago this country was humming and a bright future was ahead. The Democrats were coming out of an embarrassing impeachment attempt, Trump was on top and a shoe in for re-election. Unemployment was the best in many years, our economy was strong.

WHERE ARE WE TODAY? We are in a race war, only BLACK LIVES MATTER, we are being silenced, our freedom is being stolen, people wear masks and are in fear of a virus from China. An idiot is pretending to be President, while his liberal administration is making the calls. Our military is being destroyed, cities have burned , lawlessness is running rampant and thousands are pouring over the border, historical statues have been brought to the ground and the economy is being controlled by China and big tech. WE ARE IN TROUBLE and no one is doing a thing about it.


78 posted on 05/07/2021 6:30:21 PM PDT by Toespi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: phoneman08

It is Biden and the left who are ramming the experimental vaccine down our throats.

I don’t care if someone decides to get the jab, That’s their choice.

It’s also my choice to refuse the jabs. Respect my choice and leave me alone.


79 posted on 05/07/2021 6:39:35 PM PDT by CrimsonTidegirl (“The fate of all mankind, I see, is in the hands of fools”-King Crimson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: Unrepentant VN Vet

There’s one very good and sufficient reason for not getting the vax- “I don’t trust the government”.

I see a lot of garbage like this post against getting vaxxed and wonder why they make up this stuff when all they have to say is : “I just don’t trust them!” and any reasonable person will say “Right on!”.


80 posted on 05/07/2021 6:41:24 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 141-148 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson