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the mRNA shots are not legally, or medically, "vaccines" - you are being lied to deliberately
https://leohohmann.com/2021/03/12/heres-why-mrna-injections-do-not-meet-the-legal-definition-of-vaccine/ ^

Posted on 03/14/2021 10:12:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man

if you dont read the link, heres the key points:

“This is an mRNA, packaged in a fat envelope, delivered to a cell. This is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator.”

“...under CDC and FDA standards, a vaccine specifically has to stimulate, both an immunity within the person receiving it but it also has to disrupt transmission. And that’s not what this is. They have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand going into the cell is not to stop transmission. It is a treatment.”


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: antivaxxnuts; cdc; clickbait; deepstate; dh; fda; foolsforfauci; frflatearthers; getagrip; mrna; mrnavaccines; qooks; satansmedicine; secretnutcase; snakeoil
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To: SheepWhisperer

We have to end all medical treatment if that is the standard for which to base skepticism - people / clinics being paid for their services.


81 posted on 03/15/2021 4:40:09 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

This is my No.1 question also. It doesn’t appear that the worthless NIH is in any hurry to answer this question. Just another reason to be highly suspicious of these jabs.


82 posted on 03/15/2021 4:47:19 AM PDT by deweyfrank (Nobody's Perfect t)
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To: libh8er

Correct. It does not enter the nucleus and mRNA disintegrates very quickly...it does not hang around.

I think some people are conflating this with the Astrazeneca vaccine which is not approved for use in the US...that one actually does send things into the nuclear membrane. That gives me pause, as that could influence the cell permanently - I don’t know that science on that, but what if cell while having the material reproduces through mitosis? What would the long term effect of that be?


83 posted on 03/15/2021 4:48:58 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: deweyfrank

I operate under 2 concepts while discussing the vaxx:
1. Informed consent vs government* order.
2. My body, my choice.

* As of now, there is no government order but the ideological fascists (Karen) are very active and vocal.


84 posted on 03/15/2021 5:00:09 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Patriots, stop looking at the politicians as enemies. Look at the complicit Legacy Media.)
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To: doc maverick

From what I’ve read, the mRNA doesn’t go away. Once triggered by a wild virus, our bodies continue to produce the spike protein causing an excessive immune response and auto-immune disease or worse. But we shall see a few months down the road. Unfortunately lab animal tests were skipped in the development.


85 posted on 03/15/2021 5:31:46 AM PDT by MulberryDraw
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To: LucyT

Novavax’s COVID-19 vaccine was 89.7% effective in a large trial, and worked against the contagious virus variant first found in the UK; 96.4% effective against the original virus strain>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Also Novavax is not an mRNA based vaccine.It works much the same way that a flu vaccine does.It does not give your body genetic instructions via the immune system.

history will likely show that this vaccine is safe, effective without causing clotting and blood platelet disease obvious in a minority of people with Astrazenaca and Moderna applications.

These vaccines interfere or destroy the production of red blood cells in some patients, from the bone marrow out. No one knows why yet.

Novavax will not do that.


86 posted on 03/15/2021 5:33:26 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: Flaming Conservative

Excellent reading! A deeper document is the following, and provides a good understanding and further concerns with lockdowns, and how lockdowns can affect virulence, transmissibility, and detectability.

https://dryburgh.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Mutant-variations-and-the-danger-of-lockdowns-By-Jemma-Moran-March-2-2021.pdf


87 posted on 03/15/2021 5:44:43 AM PDT by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: Prole

Giving legal immunity to the pharmas essentially turned the US populace into a testing “sample”.


88 posted on 03/15/2021 5:48:47 AM PDT by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Bkmk


89 posted on 03/15/2021 5:51:33 AM PDT by moovova (Yo GOP....we won't forget.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
This is nonsense on stilts.

The mRNA infects a tiny number of ells and tricks then into producing the protein that the virus uses to attach to cells. The immune system recognizes the protein as foreign and is stimulated to produce an immune reaction that kills the cells.

This immune response is exactly what a normal vaccine does also.

The mRNA vaccines do this in such small amounts that it takes two shots to achieve 90+% immunity.

Conventional vaccines also do not 'kill' the virus, but stimulate the immune system to do so.

90 posted on 03/15/2021 6:00:16 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Candor7

What about the Johnson & Johnson vaccine?
It is NOT an mRNA vaccine.


91 posted on 03/15/2021 6:05:42 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yup.

Been sayin that since Day 1.


92 posted on 03/15/2021 6:09:43 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: mrsmith

This is what it really does and there is no turning back, All of this for a virus that is over 95% survivable.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/covid-19-vaccines-are-weapons-of-mass-destruction-and-could-wipe-out-the-human-race_GcjtJu9dY1RcSNh.html


93 posted on 03/15/2021 6:10:23 AM PDT by dforest (RATS are criminals and frauds. Hide anything that belongs to you. They will steal it.)
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To: woodbutcher1963

It still delivers the spike protein in a bubble and uses human tissue to do it.


94 posted on 03/15/2021 6:11:27 AM PDT by dforest (RATS are criminals and frauds. Hide anything that belongs to you. They will steal it.)
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To: gas_dr

Quit using Israel. They have become a total covid police state.


95 posted on 03/15/2021 6:13:51 AM PDT by dforest (RATS are criminals and frauds. Hide anything that belongs to you. They will steal it.)
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To: woodbutcher1963

It is NOT an mRNA vaccine.

Thats is correct., The use DNA instead of mRNA, but still the vaccine gives instructions to the immune system to create something. Its far mor ugged than the mRNA vaccines. It does not require lipid bubbles in which to put the virus cells into the blood. Some people think that the problems with the mRNA vaccines are in the exterior lipid lining which is made from glycol.One of these is Dr. Tenpenny.

If you support that theory, then J&J is a safe vaccine. But Novavax is even safer mainly because it works the way traditional flu vaccines do, without giving genetic instructions to our immune systems to create something.


96 posted on 03/15/2021 6:14:21 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: hawkaw

Perhaps a visit to the dump will let you be around all the real scientists. After all, the RAT party and the Great Reset are all about science. Ask Dr Fauci and Bill Gates.


97 posted on 03/15/2021 6:16:15 AM PDT by dforest (RATS are criminals and frauds. Hide anything that belongs to you. They will steal it.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Well O.K. One set of lawyers nearly a century ago got the SCOTUS to set the definition of “vaccine” a certain way.

But when do lawyers NOT get terms set in some way that benefits someone.

If we had all the lawyers out of the room, we’d likely never have defined “a vaccine” in law as it was done nearly a century ago at the SCOTUS.

I think legal definitions are the least important “science” that we need to know about an issue, any issue.


98 posted on 03/15/2021 6:24:04 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Candor7

So, when will the Novavax vaccine be approved fo use in the USA?


99 posted on 03/15/2021 6:30:16 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Aria
Apparently "vaccine" won't necessarily stop a person from transmitting....all it's apparently good for is subduing symptoms.

So basically, it's no better than HCQ or Ivermectin, two known safe drugs. This is nothing more than a form of conditioning people to obey without question, just like masks.

100 posted on 03/15/2021 6:46:52 AM PDT by Pollard (Bunch of curmudgeons)
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