Posted on 03/14/2021 10:12:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
if you dont read the link, heres the key points:
“This is an mRNA, packaged in a fat envelope, delivered to a cell. This is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator.”
“...under CDC and FDA standards, a vaccine specifically has to stimulate, both an immunity within the person receiving it but it also has to disrupt transmission. And that’s not what this is. They have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand going into the cell is not to stop transmission. It is a treatment.”
This is from MSK debunking some of the myths going around.
https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/myths-about-covid-19-vaccines
Thanks for posting but it’s kind of like trying to hold back the tide. The amount of misinformation and HYSTERIA about the COVID-19 vaccines posted here is absolutely astounding.
Israel has demonstrated transmission distribution. Even the fear manger Fauci is forced to admit the same. Of course this disrupts transmission. This simply uses what a virus does to a cell to defeat it. It is the mom walk of vaccines.
You mention VAER. Why? It reflects HORRIBLY on Covid-19 vaccine safety
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Of 93 vaccines in the CDC's VAER database (voluntary reporting of adverse reactions), a specific Polio Vaccine developed in 2004 had more reported deaths. Then Pfizer and Moderna's Covid-19 deaths are next in magnitude, followed by PReVNAR 13, another Pfizer vaccine which was FDA Approved in February 24, 2010.
So about 1 month into release of the Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 Vaccines, they are #2 and #3 on the list out of 93 Vaccines for reported deaths. The vaccine which was #1 in causing the most deaths had been in use since 2004. The vaccine ranked #4 in causing death had been in use since 2010.
NOte the reminder that reporting a death does not mean the vaccine caused the death. Tracking or reporting deaths or other reactions can eventually lead to analysis which point to problems with the vaccines or rule out the vaccine as the cause. But unfortunately many reports must be made first in order for a pattern to be detected, and then time spent being evaluated. :(
I started looking at this database after I found AmericanThinker's article on FR:
How safe are the COVID vaccines? Here is how COVID vaccines rank among 94 vaccine types in terms of reported post-vaccine adverse effects.
American Thinker ^ | 03/11/2021 | Randall Hoven
Posted on 3/11/2021, 7:22:38 AM by SeekAndFind
I believe as AmericanThinker has turned the light on the numbers, this database will soon be distorted. They may not be able to remove reported deaths (too conspicuous) but I suspect they may increase reported deaths for other vaccines. WE'll see if I am too cynical for my own good!
You are banging away at a false narrative. Israel has demonstrated disruption in transmission. Even accepting your statements you are incorrect.
Why are you so desperate to have this fail? It is an amazing breakthrough and is the logical evolution of 100’years of immunology.
People don’t get that they (gov’t colluding with Big Pharma) have to call it a ‘vaccine’ so Big Pharma is immune from liability under the law. What you have is an experimental drug where producers inject millions of guinea pigs and the producers are immune from all causal liability. Nice arrangement if you can get it through a lie and a vaccine liability exemption law while making billions of dollars. But don’t worry, if anything bad happens, they will just sell you another drug to take care of the problem.
The antegens used to create the immune response in the mRNA vaccine are the RNA code (not the DNA code) for the Spike Protein (the highly defined antigen). The COVID-19 uses that Spike to fuse into the cell wall and deliver its RNA message to the cell ribosomes, which are protein factories, that will create new COVID-19 viruses.
What the mRNA does is use that RNA blueprint (”fractions thereof administered”) to be read (translation) by the ribosomes to create the proteins that make up those spikes on the virus’s outer wall. Once these proteins are created, it will present segments of these proteins on the surface of the host cell’s membrane where they bind to the MHC-1 and MHC-2 complex molecules. This is a process to make sure that the ribosome’s normal production of proteins is true to its instructions. If not, it triggers an immune response. It is here on the MHC-1 and MHC-2 recepters,that the Spike Protein is biochemically evaluated: is it true or false. If it is false the process of creating antibodies, cytoxic T-cells, and and memory cells occurs. The false (foreign) protein is destroyed.
Up to this time, vaccines have only been able to produce the antibodies and memory cells. The mRNA vaccine has been able to create cytoxic T-cells for the antigen (the Spike Protein segment) on the MHC-2 complex molecules. When attracted to that antigen it will destroy the entire cell if infected by the virus. That is very useful. The host cell may have began to create new viruses. Cytoxic T-cells will take those cells out. Also, Cytoxic T-cells ends the Spike Protein translation process for that cell.
When the COVID-19 enters the body, these programmed immune cells attack the spikes that it uses to invade the cell. They have been programmed to destroy those proteins that make up the spike. In doing that, they have performed the function that any vaccine was designed to do.
In fact, the Johnson and Johnson uses the older method, a modified adenovirus to inject the Spike Protein into the cell where the cell’s ribosomes recreate the proteins where segments are bond to the MHC-1 complex molecules. That initiates the process for creating the antibody and memory cells.
Both these mechanism for creating immunity fit the definition of a vaccine.
I know it was a labor of love to find the legal definition for a vaccine. I understand the mechanism of these vaccines enough to understand their immunity function. I hope you now know it too.
bkmk
If I may, I’d like to redirect and ask that we consider the 100s of 1000s who have recovered from COVID - including me.
Seems that we have acquired immunity the old fashioned way.
Yet the CDC is STILL recommending we wear masks and obtain the vaccine.
The is no scientific evidence that recoverees can contract COVID again or cause contagion in others.
Anecdotally since my recovery, I have gone maskless in almost every public place.
I have been exposed to 4 symptomatic persons without negative consequences.
Do the mRNA vaccines provide immunity equal to a recovered patient?
“Interesting that treatments were dismissed by our media unless they had a “double blind” study to back them.
But any “pro-virus” claim needed no support at all.”
And despite government around the world using Ivermectin for prevention and early treatment, no interest in doing those ‘double-blind’ studies in the US.
I’m $ure there’$ a rea$on why, ju$t can’t think of it offhand, though.
Bmk
Thanks for the article
DNA Bloodline Warfare
Genesis Chapter 3
“How long does this go on?
I have not been able to get an answer:”
Not long. The cells producing the viral protein are attacked by the immune system and die. They do not reproduce and in any case mRNA is degraded quickly both in and especially out of a cell.
Except it does stop transmission and it isn’t a therapy.
There is way too much anti science on this board. This is a classic example.
Ive heard the pandemic was the CCP’s way of assisting the democraps need for fraudulent mail in ballots to defeat President Trump.
B.) We get flu shots every year and super flu hasn't emerged.
C.) The countless other vaccines we have employed against the various viruses have been nothing but successful in reducing the prevalence of deadly viral diseases like Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Haemophilus influenzae type b, Diphtheria, Pertussis, Tetanus, Cholera, Small Pox, Rabies, Hepatitis, etc, etc
You have a vested interest here.
You never answered my question from a few days ago.
You push the fauchi ouchie all over this board. You stated that you work in a clinic. I’ll ask again...
How much does your clinic get paid for each jab?
Follow the money...
“When they say: “It’s not about the money, it’s ALWAYS about the money”
Well, yes, it is designed to mimic the behavior of a virus, except the mRNA only carries the instructions to create the spike protein of the virus and not an entire virus. This is how viruses reproduce after getting into a host - they send mRNA into your cells to instruct them to manufacture more viruses. Viruses do not divide through mitosis to reproduce.
under CDC and FDA standards, a vaccine specifically has to stimulate, both an immunity within the person receiving it but it also has to disrupt transmission. And that’s not what this is. They have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand going into the cell is not to stop transmission. It is a treatment.
That's not really true. When the spike protein is made and released, the immune system finds it as a foreign object to dispatch it, learning about it to build up an immunity. If you encounter the actual virus, this immunity should prevent infection and related illness. If you don't get infected and you don't get sick, you are not nearly as likely to transmit it if you get the actual virus. If you aren't hacking / coughing you are not going to be creating an aerosol containing the virus. Your period of being contagious would also be much less of a time.
The rate of infections and spread of the virus has plummeted among the populations that have been vaccinated.
He didn't say that it did.
it creates a protein, that triggers an immune response.
Which makes it a vaccine. The protein is the spike protein that exists on the COVID19 virus - the immune system is trained the recognize this.
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