Posted on 12/17/2020 7:53:39 AM PST by SteveH
this is a hypothetical scenario, about how a civil war might start, which has been lurking in the back of my mind lately. i do not think it is the worst case scenario but it is still very scary and so of course i hope none of it happens. however by way of illustration i include some financial details along with the larger context of a situation which imho could in theory unravel relatively quickly-- basically before most people and institutions can react to protect their investments.
now through jan. 17th - trump continues to test the boundaries, but gains little or no further traction with the government embedded deep state. somehow, his 5d chess moves may have been insufficient to overcome the deep state election fraud and fraud upon the courts. The legislatures are deadlocked. for whatever reason, perhaps to avoid bloodshed, trump declines to declare martial law. in what is apparently becoming the last week of his presidency, trump makes one final effort directly to the american people, calling for a massive pro-american rally in Washington DC on jan. 19th.
jan. 19th - 10 million people show up in Washington DC in support of trump. it is a peaceful celebration. at the end of the day, people return to their homes all across the nation. trump pardons his family, pence, and pence's family, but not himself.
jan. 20th - midnight- trump leaves the White House, flies to florida, and determines to stay out of politics for the time being. biden/harris administration takes over the White House.
jan 20th - 2000 people show up for biden/harris inauguration. the contrast in support by the american people becomes undeniable, even to the MSM. The MSM dutifully broadcast patently fake crowd footage from 2008 and 2012, and pretend that it is 2020 footage. no one is fooled. biden/harris and their handlers panic. a 2020 version of the reichstag fire is set in motion. a few innocent biden supporters are "victimized" by "right wing provocateurs" (who may in actuality be deep state actors, though any hint of this possibility is carefully avoided by biden/harris and the MSM).
jan 21 - as a result of a so-called "right wing attack" on biden/harris supporter victims, biden/harris and handlers declare indefinite martial law in all 50 states and DC. additionally, biden declares friday jan 22 as a "bank holiday" in which banks are closed. biden declares trump to be a traitor and orders his location and capture.
jan 22 - banks are closed. thousands of pro american people start to march towards DC again, of their own accord. possession of gold, silver and other precious metals is prohibited by biden executive order, and must be turned into banks for federal reserve notes when the banks open. the stock and commodities markets shut down. trump and family disappears.
jan 23rd - a bigger demonstration-- 20 million people show up in DC. the demonstration is peaceful, but unauthorized, and martial law and lethal force are used to disperse the peaceful crowd. thousands of casualties. MSM blame the peaceful pro american protesters. biden/harris panic again and extend the bank holiday indefinitely, stock and commodities markets to remain down.
jan 24- insurrection across the usa against federal facilities. big swing state cities and DC are targeted. all business and all transportation is shut down indefinitely. at midnight EST, the civilian internet is turned off across the nation.
jan 25- banks, markets, businesses, and all roads remain closed until further notice. full scale war breaks out. banks join federal facilities as targets of military operations. power to all major cities is cut off. china attacks taiwan.
6 months to 5 years later-- unconditional surrender terms reached; one side wins and the other side loses.
again this is a hypothetical case. the damages described need to be weighted by its probability of occurrence. However, i just do not know what that probability of occurrence is. We know the deep state controls much of the government and the MSM, and is not afraid to abuse the public trust. What we do not yet know is at what point the deep state is willing to back off and give up when confronted by honest citizens asserting their natural rights. I have no firm answers except that it might not be a bad idea to be prepared for all reasonably imaginable possibilities.
perhaps by discussing the unthinkable, we can somehow figure out a way to avoid the unthinkable.
Well the Civil War unofficially started on the border of Kansas leading to the Harper Ferry’s incident which eventually led to the Civil War.
This same thing is playing out right now.
I’m shopping for my first AR-15.
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Well, better late than never.
Buy a lower and piece together the rest. May save you a couple of bucks.
Okay..... any civil war has to start with taking out the left broadcast and internet propaganda machines. No civil war can be won by the right if these propaganda machines are functioning.
Good grief, Steve. I’m NOT a resident grammar-NAZI at Free Republic, but did you type this up on your phone?
A whole article on a topic but can’t be bothered to use some capitalization.
Sure, if you need to get a message out while you are fighting in the trenches, do it. But if you want to be taken seriously show some respect for potential readers.
Doesn’t have to be perfect, but I’m sure you can do better.
I do like the idea of 20 Million Deplorables turning up in DC a few days before the Biden Inaugural...
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Simply not going to happen. The vast majority of Americans are too comfortable, apathetic and lazy to put down their remote control, turn off the computer and get off their couches to defend their freedom and liberty. Wish it weren’t so but there’s just no appetite or energy for a massive gathering. It would be an astonishing feat to amass even 1 million people.
Agree. Please see my #25.
Yep, its the ole’ bread and circuses thing.
See my similar comment #25.
It’s too unrealistic.
Trump would never let America fall to China’s Manchurian Candidate.
You left out the players that the Deep State have been trying to get into the US since before Trump took office.
The UN is the friendly face of coup. They pretend to be “peacekeepers” but they actually help foment unrest, use diplomacy to “rush” to help the country even while it works to overthrow it, it inserts “peacekeepers” which help the coup succeed by attacking patriots and supporting traitors, temporary “peacekeepers” are replaced by permanent troops, and the country then becomes a satellite of the UN.
Nancy Pelosi and co have been shrieking accusations against Trump that the UN can use as “justification” to mobilize international “interests” Like CHina, which paid good money for the Bidens, to “intervene” (overthrow) the US.
Nancy, Schiff, Schumer, Comey, Brennan, McCabe, Mattis, etc. etc. all pretend to be fearful of Trump for the sake of freedom. They pose as “honorable” officials and have for years now framed Trump as a problem the UN can and will address.
Many efforts have been made but here’s a few the UN has been using to build a portfolio to justify “intervention” troops, which just happen to be, oh...by coincidence, Chinese:
Starting in 2016 it was FISA - Russia Russia Russia (Halp! Halp us UN! We’re being taken over by Russia!), Ukraine, George Floyd and Covid. There are others but all these are being used to signal the UN it’s time to invade...uhm...intervene.
They have been meeting in private but the UN became so hopeful in May of 2019 re George Floyd riots that they went through the motions of taking a vote as to whether to intervene (to protect African Americans from the brutality of and racial injustice of President Trump). Thanksfully, Australia resisted, saying that “Racism and social injustice does not belong to America alone...” and UN hopes were ...delayed.
It’s why Nancy and co are screaming that Covid is killing us all and Trump is killing Americans blah blah blah....
SO now it’s 2020 and the Chinese want what they’ve invested so much money (The UN already has plans to parcel it out - supposedly China gets California). The UN will selectively try to listen only to Dem posturing and MSM complicity, falsely portraying Trump as a usurper. Trump is aware of their efforts and they will fail.
But first, they’ll try civil unrest. And if/when the traitors in our country make their move, they will try to create the impression of wall to wall unrest but their numbers will be too few, even the MSM will lie to make it seem America has fallen, Trump has conceded etc.
But Trump will never concede. He already rescinded the “Share The Skies” agreement with foreign nations so all aircraft must request permission before entering American air space. Just one tiny element of the preparations he’s been making since before he took office.
America is ready to defend itself from deep state and foreign enemies.
PS: Notice that Chinese troops have been a former NORAD missile tracking base in Canada for years - where they cycle in Chinese “pilots” for training? Gosh, wonder how many are there?
Several Red States, and red areas in swing/blue states declare themselves autonomous zones, and eject all fed presence. Game on from there...
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Agree that is the most likely path toward the restoration of freedom. At first it might be something like a virtual secession but that would pave the way for the formation of a new republic based on the original principles of America, with perhaps some updates to put stronger protections in place to ensure liberty and place firmer limitations on the size and power of the federal government.
Expansive government and its increasing power and corruption has proven to be the danger that the Founding Fathers warned us about. They didn’t clearly define enough constraints on government in my opinion. That’s one thing that will need to be addressed next time if we are to have any hope of avoiding the problems of the past.
I’m not sure any past civil upheaval would have still occurred if they had our current societal conditions. We have amazing conditions like the poorest are the most likely to be obese and are the most passively entertained poor ever. As well as everyone being the least used to sustained physical labor than at any other time in history. It’s like some ridiculous sci-fi dystopia but it’s our reality.
Freegards
red areas in swing/blue states declare themselves autonomous zones, and eject all fed presence
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Actually there’s precedence for this kind of thing and the Democrats started it: sanctuary cities and states. They did it, so can we.
I think it will be different. The Dems win Georgia (which Lin Wood, by the way, wants), and then pack the courts and kill the filibuster in the Senate.
Then gun confiscation is passed, or is put into law by an EO. It gets fought in the courts, but the packed courts refuse to overturn it (happy, Lin?).
Texas, and maybe other states, simply say that they no longer recognize the jurisdiction of DC when they are clearly outside of the Constitution. Things escalate and then the fireworks begin.
It’s like some ridiculous sci-fi dystopia but it’s our reality.
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Suffice to say I no longer recognize the country I grew up in. Its just not the same place. And you’re right; its become dystopian. Lots of reasons why but not sure it really matters since there’s no way to turn it around short of freedom loving people going their own way.
The Passives can stay where they are and live under the “comfortable” rule of Leftist despots. I would be happy to make some sacrifices to live amongst the Actives who want to protect their liberty and freedoms, and are willing to take extraordinary steps to protect them.
I don’t think any scenerio for a civil war can present without the prospect of one or more of the many cell groups involving themselves at some level, as well as cross border entities, be they snipers (not sharpshooters) or en masse. Sounds like a death wish but to many of those mentioned, death would be glorious. Certainly a possibility depending on the level of distraction. I think if this scenerio would engage, Biden would disappear quickly. Trump and family would remain for show trials, to the continued determent of the Democrats. Interesting post.
You sir are a crackpot. War is hell. Civil wars are the worst wars.
But not worse than subjugation
Texas, and maybe other states, simply say that they no longer recognize the jurisdiction of DC when they are clearly outside of the Constitution. Things escalate and then the fireworks begin.
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I would say ‘probably’ other states. It won’t take much to inspire them to want to join in on the formation of an association or block of freedom loving states. Let those who want socialism have it. Let those who cherish liberty have their God given right to live under it instead of being under the rule of an overbearing and corrupt government.
Are you sure? I think you’re wrong.
What happens when the trucks stop moving and the pipelines from Texas get turned off?
If you are satisfied living a slaves life. I would not be.
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