Corona Virus Daily Thread #49 COVID-19 4/30/2020

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[RaceBannon]

Corona Virus Daily Thread #49 COVID-19 4/30/2020

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

I suspect that a milder strain was on the scene prior to our knowledge of the outbreak. There were certainly some people traveling back and forth between here and Hubei prior to that knowledge.

If the so-called L-strain had been here from the first, we’d have wound up with slammed hospitals all over the place by now.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

If we had shut down mostly on a county-by-county bases, this economy might still be on crutches, rather than on life support.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

I WILl put on those hateful masks when I’m out and about shopping — precisely in case I have a viral load — so virus in my exhalations will be attenuated in the relatively confined space of a grocery store or Wal-Mart, but I won’t hide under the bed, either. I’ll be mask free and staying away from others when exercising in the open air. :-)

Also will take my temp before going out, from now on. I’m seriously forgetful in that area.

[dakine]

“Caught lying”

Name names...

[markman46]

i see him on facebook

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Agree, as long as they are cc’d, per FR rules.

[chris37]

I think so too.

Our knowledge of this virus is so young that it seems saying anything concrete about it, at his point in time, is foolish.

And it’s especially hard to trust anyone on hydroxyC, because TDS is real, and it makes people utterly insane and totally untrustworthy.

[LilFarmer]

I don’t know why people respond to me repeatedly about hiding under the bed. I have never suggested anyone do that. Not even close.

I have never even suggested the lockdowns go on and on. I have always thought it will be a back and forth - lock down/open up/lock down/open up.

My issue is none of that, it is about people refusing to wear masks to protect others because “muh rights”.

[LilFarmer]

It was on other threads over a month ago and I don’t have the time to try to track those threads down, nor do I want to pick a fight. My point is, people need to take “expert” advice with a grain of salt.

[RummyChick]

This guy has too much scientific stuff for me to synthesize ... he goes on various tweets about HKu9

https://twitter.com/BillyBostickson

Billy Bostickson Waving black flag👁&👁 Squared free @BillyBostickson · 9h Replying to @BillyBostickson 2/5 Remember @Baric_Lab 2015 patent? "present invention provides compositions & methods comprising a chimeric coronavirus spike protein." It was based on experiments with same bat virus identified: BtCoV.HKU9.2 BtCoV.HKU9.1 BtCoV.HkU9.3 BtCoV.HKU9.4 https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/e9/b2/98/15d4808eff87c9/WO2015143335A1.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5038965/ A Bat-Derived Putative Cross-Family Recombinant Coronavirus with a Reovirus Gene

[RummyChick]

someone brought up fruit bats as it related to vitamin C..and why lack of Vitamin C was important giving bats the ability to harbor virus

cant remember details

[LilFarmer]

Pa. leads nation in virus-stricken meat plant workers, CDC says

22 facilities report employees have tested positive for COVID-19

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2020/05/03/Pa-leads-nation-in-virus-stricken-meat-plant-workers-CDC-says/stories/202005030095

[LilFarmer]

Italy - Approximately 154 doctors have died from COVID-19

https://portale.fnomceo.it/elenco-dei-medici-caduti-nel-corso-dellepidemia-di-covid-19/

[LilFarmer]

Comparing flu vs covid-19 (RK @ FluTrackers)

Using flu data from the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) mortality surveillance system, the most intense flu season was 2017-18 which tallied 15,430 coded Influenza deaths between weeks 40 and 20. The CDC estimated the flu burden for that season at 61,000 (range 46,000-95,000). The highest flu week was week 3 of 2018 with 1,625 deaths. Using the CDC estimate as a guide, this corresponded with an 8 year maximum of approximately 6,500 flu deaths in a week. This past week we saw 12,945 reported coronavirus deaths.

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/united-states-2019-ncov/842586-comparing-flu-and-covid-19-deaths?p=856851#post856851

[LilFarmer]

Global Backlash Builds Against China Over Coronavirus
As calls for inquiries and reparations spread, Beijing has responded aggressively, mixing threats with aid and adding to a growing mistrust of China.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/world/europe/backlash-china-coronavirus.html

[rolling_stone]

....vitamin c levels in all covid patients are so low they can’t be detected.....quote from dr. paul marik (who is pushing for iv vitamin c) cant find quote page
several videos also used iv vitamin c for sepsis
protocol for covid:
https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

sepsis

https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/clinical-care/meet-doctor-behind-40-sepsis-treatment-critics-call-hocus-pocus

[LilFarmer]

Interesting...

Eastern Virginia Medical School develops treatment protocol that achieves “near uniform success” in treatment of COVID-19. Points blame at WHO/CDC guidelines for high mortality rates.

https://www.godlikeproductions.com/external?https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evms.edu%2Fmedia%2Fevms_public%2Fdepartments%2Finternal_medicine%2FEVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

Prophylaxis
While there is very limited data (and none specific for COVID-19), the following “cocktail” may have a role in the prevention/mitigation of COVID-19 disease. While there is no high level evidence that this cocktail is effective; it is cheap, safe and widely available.
• Vitamin C 500 mg BID and? Quercetin 250-500 mg BID
• Zinc 75-100 mg/day (acetate, gluconate or picolinate). Zinc lozenges are preferred. After 1-2
months, reduce the dose to 30-50 mg/day.
• Melatonin (slow release): Begin with 0.3mg and increase as tolerated to 1-2 mg at night
• Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day (optimal dose unknown).

Mildly Symptomatic patients (at home):
• Vitamin C 500 mg BID and? Quercetin 250-500 mg BID (if available)
• Zinc 75-100 mg/day
• Melatonin 6-12 mg at night (the optimal dose is unknown)
• Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day
• Optional: ASA 81 -325 mg/day
• Optional: Hydroxychloroquine 400mg BID day 1 followed by 200mg BID for 4 days
• N/C 2L /min if required (max 4 L/min; consider early t/f to ICU for escalation of care).
• Avoid Nebulization and Respiratory treatments. Use “Spinhaler” or MDI and spacer if required.
• Avoid non-invasive ventilation
• T/f EARLY to the ICU for increasing respiratory signs/symptoms.

Mildly Symptomatic patients (on floor):
• Vitamin C 500mg BID and Quercetin 250-500 mg BID (if available)
• Zinc 75-100 mg/day
• Melatonin 6-12 mg at night (the optimal dose is unknown)
• Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day
• Enoxaparin 40-60 mg daily
• Optional: Methylprednisolone 40 mg daily
• Optional: Hydroxychloroquine 400mg BID day 1 followed by 200mg BID for 4 days
• Optional: Remdesivir, only available in clinical trials

[LilFarmer]

Piedmont park in Atlanta today:

https://twitter.com/CharlieGileNBC/status/1256642854044209152

[ETCM]

a direct link...

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

[LilFarmer]

Oops! Thank you 🙂 It’s annoying that that site links like that.