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Ancient footprints show Neanderthals may have been taller than thought
New Scientist ^ | 9 September 2019 | Alison George

Posted on 09/28/2019 10:04:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

The 257 fossil footprints were found in a coastal creek bed in Le Rozel in northern France. They were made around 80,000 years ago and preserved in sandy mud. Most of the footprints were from children and may show that Neanderthals could have been taller than previously thought.

"The discovery of so many Neanderthal footprints at one site is extraordinary," says Isabelle de Groote at Liverpool John Moores University, who was not involved with the study.

Before this, only nine Neanderthal footprints were known, from 4 different sites, says Jérémy Duveau of the MuséumNational d'Histoire Naturelle in France, who led the team that carried out the analysis. "Footprints are very interesting because they give a snapshot of a moment of life of hominins such as Neanderthals, and allow us to estimate the size and composition of the group that made them." This kind of information is hard to obtain from other archaeological artefacts such as skeletons and tools.

Although the researchers can't be certain that the 80,000-year old footprints at Le Rozel were made by Neanderthals, as no hominin skeletal remains were found at the site, Neanderthals were the only known hominins in Europe at that time - Homo sapiens arrived some 35,000 years later.

The footprints of Neanderthals are wider than those of modern humans because their feet were broader. From the size of the Le Rozel footprints, the researchers could estimate the size of the individual who made them, and then infer their age.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; footprints; france; godsgravesglyphs; isabelledegroote; jeremyduveau; lerozel; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; nephilim; nephilimmyass; paleontology; science; trackway; trackways
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To: Openurmind

5.7 million, not 57 million.

The size, upright gait, print itself, apparently anthropoidal stroll.


61 posted on 09/29/2019 10:16:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I stand corrected... I am guilty of not double checking that.


62 posted on 09/29/2019 10:28:01 AM PDT by Openurmind
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To: frank ballenger
He was the basketball.

63 posted on 09/29/2019 10:29:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Monkey Face
The only thing they could make out was the Neandertal 'swoosh'. :^)

64 posted on 09/29/2019 10:31:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Openurmind
I'm glad you got me hunting for it, I'd never seen it before (and it may be the only page available about it). The other Neandertal footprints have been found in four or five places, and the previous overall total was nine I think. Sorry, I got sidetracked by this other one, and forgot all about that other link. [blush]

65 posted on 09/29/2019 10:42:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: frank ballenger
"Too tall Nadler."

A Nadlerthal?

66 posted on 09/29/2019 10:48:49 AM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

I know one thing, if it is dated accurately, it helps prove the out of Africa theory even more wrong doesn’t it?


67 posted on 09/29/2019 11:18:30 AM PDT by Openurmind
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To: SunkenCiv

Ah. I should have sussed that one out myself! ;o]


68 posted on 09/29/2019 11:40:20 AM PDT by Monkey Face (As much as we want to hold our kids, we have to trust that God's Hands are bigger than ours. FB)
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To: Monkey Face
The individual wasn't wearing shoes, but probably carried a horn, and spoke some unknown tongue. I just love these strings, er, threads. Even if my sense of humor needs some polish.

69 posted on 09/29/2019 3:29:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Openurmind
I've long been a multiregionalist. :^)

70 posted on 09/29/2019 3:30:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Same here, you might find this interesting, I know I did. Map of "indigenous" with blood type "O". Too small to see in this but really interesting is that there is an area on one end of New Zealand 90%-100% type O like the Americas. How did that happen?


71 posted on 09/29/2019 3:53:19 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: SunkenCiv

Considering type O is supposed to be the “oldest” blood type, how could there be more in the Americas instead of reversed as later settled?


72 posted on 09/29/2019 4:14:43 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: Openurmind
Matt Ridley, in "Genome", notes that the base pair sequence on chromosome 9 that determines primary blood type for each of us has a curiousity -- the base pair sequence that leads to the O blood type is pair-by-pair identical with type A, but missing the first base pair, causing it to not code for a protein.

Here's an unverified source (based on the layout and font and stuff, I suspect it originated with one Andis Raulins, but I won't swear to it. :') Ethnic group down the left side, columns are bloodtypes by percentage. O was overwhelmingly common among American tribes, but there has been intermarriage for centuries, so the non-coding O gene sequence doesn't show up as strong any longer.
Group O A B AB
Kalmuks 26 23 41 11
Buryats 33 21 38 8
Gypsies (Hungary) 29 27 35 10
Thais 37 22 33 8
Burmese 36 24 33 7
Chuvash 30 29 33 7
Indians (India - General) 37 22 33 7
Ainu (Japan) 17 32 32 18
Chinese-Peking 29 27 32 13
Koreans 28 32 31 10
Vietnamese 42 22 30 5
Tartars 28 30 29 13
Arabs 34 31 29 6
Hindus (Bombay) 32 29 28 11
Philippinos 45 22 27 6
Asian (in USA - General) 40 28 27 5
Chinese-Canton 46 23 25 6
Abyssinians 43 27 25 5
Egyptians 33 36 24 8
Latvians 32 37 24 7
Grand Andamanese 9 60 23 9
Papuas (New Guinea) 41 27 23 9
Eskimos (Greenland) 54 36 23 8
Estonians 34 36 23 8
Russians 33 36 23 8
Japanese 30 38 22 10
Persians 38 33 22 7
Sudanese 62 16 21 0
Poles 33 39 20 9
Lithuanians 40 34 20 6
USA (blacks) 49 27 20 4
Kikuyu (Kenya) 60 19 20 1
Malasians 62 18 20 0
Moros 64 16 20 0
Rumanians 34 41 19 6
Bantus 46 30 19 5
Sardinians 50 26 19 5
Czechs 30 44 18 9
Jews (Poland) 33 41 18 8
Finns 34 41 18 7
Turks 43 34 18 6
Ukranians 37 40 18 6
Fijians 44 34 17 6
Hungarians 36 43 16 5
Serbians 38 42 16 5
Slovaks 42 37 16 5
Bulgarians 32 44 15 8
Nicobarese (Nicobars) 74 9 15 1
Greeks 40 42 14 5
Albanians 38 43 13 6
Armenians 31 50 13 6
Austrians 36 44 13 6
Eskimos (Alaska) 38 44 13 5
Jews (Germany) 42 41 12 5
Georgians 46 37 12 4
Scotts 51 34 12 3
Germans 41 43 11 5
Danes 41 44 11 4
South Africans 45 40 11 4
USA (whites) 45 40 11 4
Italians (Milan) 46 41 11 3
Spanish 38 47 10 5
Swedes 38 47 10 5
Icelanders 56 32 10 3
Irish 52 35 10 3
Brazilians 47 41 9 3
Dutch 45 43 9 3
English 47 42 9 3
Bushmen 56 34 9 2
Norwegians 39 50 8 4
Portuguese 35 53 8 4
Belgians 47 42 8 3
United Kingdom (GB) 47 42 8 3
French 43 47 7 3
Swiss 40 50 7 3
Lapps 29 63 4 4
Basques 51 44 4 1
Indians (USA - General) 79 16 4 1
Hawaiians 37 61 2 1
Mayas 98 1 1 1
Maoris 46 54 1 0
Blackfoot (N. Am. Indian) 17 82 0 1
Aborigines 61 39 0 0
Bororo 100 0 0 0
Navajo (N. Am. Indian) 73 27 0 0
Peru (Indians) 100 0 0 0
Shompen (Nicobars) 100 0 0 0

Again, these are current or at least recent values (it sez here) and don't necessarily reflect geographical or ethnic origin, just the recent or current distribution. :') I sorted it in database descending, by B and then AB, because AB wouldn't be around if it weren't for B. :')
73 posted on 09/29/2019 4:16:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Openurmind

see my #73 above.

The wikipedia page on human blood types at least used to be magisterial. Nice discussion of the A variants, and of course, the really obscure M-N system, which isn’t part of the A-B-O system at all.


74 posted on 09/29/2019 4:18:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Fantastic chart Sir! May I grab that for my files and future reference??? :)


75 posted on 09/29/2019 4:31:12 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: Openurmind

Heh, sure, I stole it fair and square.


76 posted on 09/29/2019 4:32:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: blam
A Nadlerthal?

You got it. The best joke of the day here.

77 posted on 09/29/2019 4:41:04 PM PDT by frank ballenger (End vote fraud & harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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To: SunkenCiv

lol, Great! Thank you! In the mean time I am trying to find the article I “borrowed” that indigenous blood type map from. They also had the A and B variants mapped the same way. It is real interesting to compare the three together. It was a university study submission I ran across.


78 posted on 09/29/2019 4:41:32 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: SunkenCiv
He was the basketball.

Oh, now I get it all. Notice in the hearings he is always dribbling? Ancient memories coming back.

79 posted on 09/29/2019 4:44:35 PM PDT by frank ballenger (End vote fraud & harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Maybe s/he was wearing those really comfy shoes that fit your toes, too. So it looks like you were walking barefoot with a logo on your instep. Maybe? ;o]

‘Face


80 posted on 09/30/2019 2:02:06 AM PDT by Monkey Face (As much as we want to hold our kids, we have to trust that God's Hands are bigger than ours. FB)
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