Posted on 09/28/2019 10:04:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
The 257 fossil footprints were found in a coastal creek bed in Le Rozel in northern France. They were made around 80,000 years ago and preserved in sandy mud. Most of the footprints were from children and may show that Neanderthals could have been taller than previously thought.
"The discovery of so many Neanderthal footprints at one site is extraordinary," says Isabelle de Groote at Liverpool John Moores University, who was not involved with the study.
Before this, only nine Neanderthal footprints were known, from 4 different sites, says Jérémy Duveau of the MuséumNational d'Histoire Naturelle in France, who led the team that carried out the analysis. "Footprints are very interesting because they give a snapshot of a moment of life of hominins such as Neanderthals, and allow us to estimate the size and composition of the group that made them." This kind of information is hard to obtain from other archaeological artefacts such as skeletons and tools.
Although the researchers can't be certain that the 80,000-year old footprints at Le Rozel were made by Neanderthals, as no hominin skeletal remains were found at the site, Neanderthals were the only known hominins in Europe at that time - Homo sapiens arrived some 35,000 years later.
The footprints of Neanderthals are wider than those of modern humans because their feet were broader. From the size of the Le Rozel footprints, the researchers could estimate the size of the individual who made them, and then infer their age.
(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...
Took a long time before the stature of a human was accepted as more than a monkey’s. Hold over from the early British historians I think. Same thing happened with assumptions about vocalization and speech. In fact the communication assumption is still present in many circles. Yet, they could somehow make elaborate works of art. “Autistic, low IQ minimal communication skills” but “surprisingly artistic” was going around even just a few months ago.
They somehow come up with these personal assumptions and they remain predominant for centuries because nothing new to the contrary will even be discussed or considered. the firewall goes up.
Or, they were the Dunadan. ;^)
If they were just having a cookout at the seaside, probably the main entree was filet cro-magnon.
I’d say it just proves that their feet reached the ground.
I’m trying to decipher what you found you didn’t like in that one article? The “unchanged for two million years?” That they were “replaced?” That Heidelbergensis was only 1” different?” I’m missing your gist with that... lol
There are few near-complete Neandertal specimens. Museum displays are generally out of date and out of step with the most recent findings because they are generally out of money to do anything about it, and also, the most recent findings are coming in continually and will continue to do that. The myth of the ugly, humpbacked, mute Neandertal has developed out of the nitwith R. Virchow's irrational ex cathedra BS, but also the Out of Africa / Replacement model, which is just a master race bias, continues to spew out of the UK. Science is a method, not a body of knowledge, but as the old joke goes, science improves one funeral at a time.
I think there were some new Neanderthal footprints also found in Greece I think it was. Seem to remember reading this a few weeks ago.
OK, I think I picked up what you were referring to in this reply...
Cro-Magnons or anatomically modern humans, replaced the Neanderthal populations. They were significantly taller than other human species and their average height for both sexes was higher, falling in the very tall individual category.
And it turns out, that's not what happened after all. What a surprise. This kind of wacky cryptoracist BS is found throughout the Replacement model scribbling. Cro-Magnon (and "anatomically modern humans") were "gracile" while everyTHING that came before was "robust" "clumsy" "unable to [fill in the blank]" "doomed to extinction". Even the discussions about Neandertal tend to get steered into the "mystery of why *it* went extinct". The whole thing is creepy, but serves as a nice example of what happens when purported scholars and scientists have to consent to a political model.
The most ridiculous examples are found on each side the topic -- the jackass (died of cancer) in Stanford I think it was who referred to Neandertals as "village idiots" and condemned the morphological approach (as opposed to his nice clean, new-world-order approach of DNA-based research) as being constrained to not ask certain questions (not including the whole, why do we use morphological approach to differentiate different species in the first place, duh); and most of the top dogs in the state-controlled top-down European academic world who claimed that Neandertals and "anatomically modern humans" couldn't have had kids together, even after the DNA showed that, uh, yeah they did. The fact that, on average, much of the Earth's population carries Neandertal DNA in a somewhat greater quantity that it carries the DNA of each of their great-great-great-great-grandcestors shows that most of the genetic basis must have been Neandertal.
Dang, and I went to a lot of work on that reply... ;^)
Well put.
“...Cro-Magnon (and “anatomically modern humans”) were “gracile” …”
Didn’t they all look like Darryl Hannah?
Jerry Nadler, lose weight? You crack me up. :^D
Honestly, I hung out for a little awhile to see if you were working on a reply back or not before posting this one. Knowing how respectful you are about replying back I will be more patient in the future. Still want to go read it in your other reply. Thank you!
Respectful, me? I must be havin' an off day... ;^)
Read your reply about the morphology/DNA stuff and a question popped into my noggin.
Looking at the wide range of human variations in localized morphology and DNA today, might it be that neanderthal and cro-magnon were the same just separated by distance long enough to develop differently?
Today, differences in skull shape can be used to identify which race a skeleton belongs to. We’re breaking down human migration histories by DNA changes and flows.
Might it be that the Cro and Neander pops spent enough time apart that they developed a greater degree of differences before coming back together?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs
And for early human species, in the Altai Denisova Cave complex they have found the proof of this much more likely theory of course.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/09/190926073340.htm
https://www.sciencealert.com/we-finally-have-some-idea-of-when-the-mysterious-denisovans-walked-the-earth
The book The Neanderthals by Friedemann Schrenk and Stephanie Mu"ller (English translation, 2009) has a map showing Petralona and Apidima (in the Peloponnesus) as locations where evidence for Homo erectus or Homo heidelbergensis was found but they don't elaborate in the text.
I assume the find of Neanderthal footprints is a more recent discovery.
Mousterian artifacts are associated with Neanderthals so sometimes they can tell the Neanderthals were present because of the artifacts even if they don't find bones or DNA.
Yes, it is a new find not verified yet. I will try to find it again. I could be wrong but my memory is pretty good. I probably just dismissed it because of the pending verification.
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