Lucas Smith Affidavit now filed with the US District Court - Obama Kenyan BC

American Grand Jury ^ | September 4th, 2009

[Man50D]

As of today, September 4, 2009, this Affidavit has been filed with the United States District Court in Southern California ~ represented by Orly Taitz.

This is a legal affidavit that declares Lucas Smith to be of sound mind and judgement. Lucas can go to jail if he lied on this affidavit.

The document (Certified COPY of Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate) you see here, once it is validated by the court, is pretty much the proverbial “smoking gun.”

[Agamemnon]

18 inches = 46 cm

7 pounds 1 ounce = 3.2 kilograms or one half stone

Including the troublesome placement of the dates, I also see nothing British style in the information, but birth information in the US is usually supplied by the mother to the doctor and Obama’s mother was from Kansas.

Nothing odd here in reporting weight and height in pounds and inches. THAT is the English, "un-Frenchified" pre-decimal system.

They still traded in six-pence and florins in 1961.

[Uncle Chip]

Here’s how I see it. Lucas Smith has placed his evidence before the court under the penalty of perjury. Will the frauds at Factcheck be willing to do the same??? I doubt it.

[Right Wing Assault]

The 'dd/mm/yyyy' format does not appear to be a universal style in England yet.

From this website in a thread called "American vs British style of writing dates":

http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t1952-45.htm

David Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:32 pm GMT

What a stupid discussion:

Fact is:

Both day-month-year and month-day-year are used in Britain. And the month-day-year version is even preferred by British newspapers:

Let's see:

The Times: February 17, 2005

Guardian: Feburary 17, 2005

Economist: February 17th 2005

And there are also influential American publications (especially academic publications) that use day-month-year, for example:

Science Magazine: 17 February 2005

Physical Review Letters: 17 February 2005

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and from Saturday's Times of London, check out the date, September 5, 2009:

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[rocco55]

Agreed....Helton Maganga appears to be real. My question is why not get Helton to sign an affidavit ? It would sure carry a lot more weight than an ex-con. Maganga’s signature
appears ‘very’ neat. Almost like it could be a woman. Does anyone know Helton’s gender ? Also, would a Hospital Chief Administrator stamp and sign a document without reading it first ? If this document was sealed as Smith stated, wouldn’t the Chief Administrator be aware of this ? This should be an easy debunk or verification once someone contacts Maganga. BTW, I hope it’s real, just raising a few concerns.

[1066AD]

When using all numbers, written, you’ll never see anything other than dd/mm/yy or dd/mm/yyyy in common use.

[PA-RIVER]

Imagine .... if the Judge demands Obama provide the long form to invalidate this document, and Obama refuses to cooperate.

Will the Judge find for the plaintive, and give all uniformed personnel the option to refuse orders?

[Jedidah]

Nobody knows what’s fake and what’s not.

Many of us have two authentic BCs, the unofficial one with footprints that the hospital issues, and the official one that is recorded with the government. The one Smith has would be the hospital copy; the one attorney Orly has is supposedly the governmental one.

I’ve followed all these threads and the detailed examination of purported BCs. Some are quickly dismissed as forgeries. From all I’ve seen, the jury is still out on both of these.

(I wish that last sentence were not a figure of speech.)

Who knows?

[Windflier]

Maganga’s signature appears ‘very’ neat. Almost like it could be a woman.

I noticed that too. It's actually way too neat for a man's signature.

Another thing is the dates. They're done American style, as in, MM/DD/YY. British style is DD/MM/YY. This little detail is a glaring out-point in my opinion, and casts serious doubt on the document's authenticity.

Also, would a Hospital Chief Administrator stamp and sign a document without reading it first ?

That thought occurred to me too. He didn't notice whose birth certificate copy this was before signing it? Would he really have stamped and signed it if he had noticed the name? I have my doubts.

[novemberslady]

This is a legal affidavit that declares Lucas Smith to be of sound mind and judgement.
Lucas can go to jail if he lied on this affidavit.

Not if Lucas Smith wasn't really of sound mind.
Maybe he just thinks he's not crazy...
In that case it's not his fault, is it?
& that footprint...well it looks fake.

Here's hoping September 8th will be interesting, and fruitful.
With no nuts please...

[etraveler13]

It takes a thief, to catch a thief.
This has been his point all along. He never hid who he was, and in fact stated that WHO he was is the only reason he could get it. He paid people off, who wanted cash. He was funded to get this information, and he paid off the people needed to get it.
So the argument that he is undependable, is specious. In fact, he was exactly the type of person needed, to get this information. Going “by the rules”, would have had unsurmountable road blocks.
Bad men, or guys who know how to “work” the system, to get what they want, don’t care about the rules, they care about results.
Now your trying to discredit the product, because of the delivery man.
Wake up people. If you discredit the document, fine. But, so far. Nobody has. Here are the facts:

* This is a typed document
Copy is issued on Feb 1, 09 by
Hilton Magonga
Chief Administrator (so should be there today)
Issued by:
Coast Province General Hospital
Mombasa British Protectoriate of Kenya
Certificate Number 32018
DOB August 4, 1961 Time: 7:42PM
Weight: 7Lbs, 1 Oz 18” Long
Mother: Stanley Ann Obama
Maiden Name: Dunham
Birthplace of Mother:
Wichita, KS, United States
Residence of Mother:
Honalulu, Hawaii, United States
Occupation of Mother: Student
Father:
Barak Hussein Obama
DOB: 1936
Birthplace of Father:
Kanyadhiang village,Kenya
Occupation of Father: Student
Attending Physician:
James O. W. Ang’Awa
Hospital Administrator:
John Kwame Odongo 8/7/1961

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Here is a paper published by the Attending Physician:
http://tropej.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/12/supp3/7
From the Oxford Journal
here is a link to others:
http://www.nextbio.com/b/search/author/JO%20Angawa
Cited in Google Searches as JO Angawa

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This is a United Nations entry for the daughter of the doctor who is supposed to have delivered Barack Hussein Obama in Mombasa, Kenya.
Mary Atieno Ang’awa (Kenya). Place and date of birth: Mombasa, Kenya, 8 March 1954. Nationality: Kenyan.
She is now a prominent High Court Justice in Nairobi.
However, this confirms that in fact her father probably did practice in Mombasa, if she also was born there in the 1950’s. He apparently accompanied the 1978 Kenyan Team to the Olympics in Moscow (President Carter ;ead the U.S. boycott of these games).
She could easily dispel anything about this “You Tube” document.
However, this begs the question — if you have to go overseas to authentic vital records concerning POTUS because of his father, are we really talking about a ‘natural-born Citizen?’
Of course, the answer is, “No!”
I have seen questions asked, “Why Mombasa?” This is likely because Mombasa was one of the few cities at the time that recognized “plural marriages,” and by this time, Obama, Sr. was a polygamist.
There are other problems with this document, including the use of the infant footprint for newborn identification. In the U.S., the F.B.I was arguing for this practice in 1966 —
No one seems to have employed this practice in Colonial Africa — from anything that has been see, yet.
==> So we know that Angawa practiced in Mombasa, was there when Obama was born, and delivered his own daughter. He specialized in Obstetrics, and opened a clinic. It is not far fetched to believe that he helped at the hospital, many doctors work as multiple hospitals as needed.

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http://allafrica.com/stories/200906180705.html
“”We are still receiving more patients from various parts of the province who have been diagnosed with the ailment. However, we are doing everything possible to provide the necessary treatment needed,” Helton Maganga, chief administrator at the Coast Provincial General Hospital, the largest referral hospital in the province, told IRIN on 18 June.”
This is June 16, 2009, so Mangana IS the Administrator of this hospital...

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Lucas Smith Defense of new birth certificate by WND and Jerome Corsi...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX1DFV0hsPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCc3Axxd8kU&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdueOWxo518&NR=1

Here Lucas Smith responds to Corsi, with plausable answers

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I personally wrote Smith, and got a response. In that letter, I told him that his credibility was in question, and that it appeared to many to be a scam for cash. He told me that he had a person who represented him, and gave him guidance. I suggested that his credibility would be greatly enhanced if he were to make this part of public record thru a lawyer, much like Orly Taits has done. Even if it is proven fake, its part of public record, and once there, the threats against his life, are gone. It is my hope that he listened and this is why he has put this into the legal system.
So, now the charge that he is in it for the money, is no longer valid, he has put the document into the system, where it is safe. You can get copies all over the net, and dissect it as best you can. I have been trying, and so far, nothing points out as incorrect, or implausable.
The Obamaites are hard at work tho, trying to sew seeds of doubt. So, I am going at this in this way, see what they have to say. Does what they have to stay invalidate the document? If so, what is their proof? Words are not good enough. So far, speculation, questions, nothing more. No HARD proof that the document is not genuine...

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It is Obama’s being only a first generation U.S. citizen because of his father not being a United States citizen at Obama’s birth that caused his divided allegiance and loyalty at birth (United States v. British and Kenyan) and disqualifies him to be President and Commander in Chief. It is through his father that Obama was born with allegiance and loyalty to Great Britain (which continues until today), which then converted to allegiance and loyalty to Kenya. It does not matter that his mother was a United States citizen because at birth Obama inherited allegiance and loyalty to a foreign power (Great Britain) from his father just as he would have inherited allegiance and loyalty to a foreign power if born to parents who were both non-United States citizens. By Obama’s mother being a United States citizen at his birth, Obama was just spared acquiring even another foreign allegiance and loyalty. Just like a naturalized citizen who—despite taking an oath renouncing all foreign allegiances and loyalties and which incidentally Obama has never done —cannot be President because he or she is born with allegiance and loyalty to a foreign country, Obama, born with allegiance and loyalty to a foreign country, also cannot be President. All this leads to the inescapable conclusion that Obama is not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and is therefore ineligible to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military.

[Windflier]

He never hid who he was, and in fact stated that WHO he was is the only reason he could get it.

He paid people off, who wanted cash. He was funded to get this information, and he paid off the people needed to get it.

So the argument that he is undependable, is specious.

Hold on, friend. I never questioned Lucas Smith's credibility, and I haven't attacked him in any way. Don't dub in something that I didn't say or imply.

I happen to agree with you that Lucas Smith has exactly the sort of qualities required to get the "results".

Now your trying to discredit the product, because of the delivery man.

Again - not so. What I am questioning are certain details about the document itself, and the circumstances of its signing by the hospital administrator.

These are just questions - not accusations or efforts to debunk the document. If they can be answered intelligently, with supportive facts, then I'm satisfied.

The balance of your post has a lot of good information in it. We'll all see where it leads in the days to come.

[cynwoody]

Stay tuned for:
Mr. Smith Goes to Federal Prison.

Federalville will be a step up for Lucas. According to the Cedar Rapids Gazette, he's already done time:

Online court records say Lucas D. Smith, now 29, was convicted in Linn County of forgery in May 1998 and second-degree theft in May 2000. He was released from prison Dec. 25, 2002, the Department of Corrections says.

There's a Birther Suckered Every Minute

[trumandogz]

Thanks.

That is just what I expected about Lucus Smith and now that he and his attorney have knowingly submitted false documentation to a Court of Law, they can be sent to Federal Prison.

[sometime lurker]

I agree Maganga is real, but doing a google search, I came across this article from 2009 which lists Helton Maganga as the current chief administrator at the Coast Provincial General Hospital. Having the same person as the chief administrator of a hospital for 48 years sounds odd to me. Plus, this article indicates that Dr. Khadija Sood Shikely was the chief administrator in 2005.

[Fred Nerks]

There is a date stamp on the top LHS next to the Helton Maganga signature, February 19, 2000 (year unclear) which suggests that what we are looking at is a photocopy of a document stamped with the stamp of the current administrator.

[Tennessee Nana]

In 1961 the British still used inches and pounds..

I am concerned about that footprint ...

did BC documents in Kenya have them back then ??

or was that a Stanley Ann thing ??

and why only one foot ???

The dates are wrong...British dates were ALWAYS day, month, year...

Unless again Stanley Ann as an American who would notice the different format, filled in those dates ...

I’m concerned that Orly has aligned herself to Smith...

Yes he has placed himnself in a legal web if he lied ...

But what if he works for Barry ???

Who is going to proscecute Smith then ???

Barry can always “pardon” him etc...

I’m not impressed by that affidavit...

If he lied for Barry, Barry will protect him...

[elizabethgrace]

Thank you, Tennessee Nana and Agamemnon for pointing out my error. I know the British manner of dates is wrong on the certificate.

TN: You raise interesting questions!

[Tennessee Nana]

I’m an interesting Nana !!!

:)

[elizabethgrace]

LOL! Now you’re sounding like my grandma. She’d say something like that. :)

[Agamemnon]

The dates are wrong...British dates were ALWAYS day, month, year...

I work with international dating conventions in regulatory documentation routinely. While day-month-year is a preferred dating method on continental Europe, and to a certain extent preferred in the UK, one will still see both conventions for UK and context for each convention will often be supplied. There is no uniform dating method and it can be confusing at times.

The US generally prefers month-day-year convention, yet even US-supplied documentation differs. Consider the Customs form one fills out for the US when re-entering the US. The dating system is day-month-year. When you fill out your IRS tax forms, however, the requirement is month-day-year.

It is quite possible that Dunham could have influenced the dating convention.

As to the footprint thing, my own father's US hospital birth certificate in 1929 took the print of only the right foot for ID purposes.