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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training

I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood


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To: nw_arizona_granny

How many cats do you have? Are they tame enough to pet? Do they make breathing harder?

I did not know some light bulbs put out less light.


5,521 posted on 03/23/2009 9:44:16 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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5,522 posted on 03/24/2009 1:06:28 AM PDT by ChowChowFace
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http://www.bigmedicine.ca/americas.htm#Ontario:_Tampering_associated_with_v

Washington: World TB day - global epidemic - local threat

[Mar 23 King County]—Approximately one third of the world’s population is infected with tuberculosis (TB), and two million people die from it every year. Tomorrow, March 24 is World TB Day, an opportunity to focus on solutions to a devastating global epidemic that continues to present local health challenges. In 2008, 121 cases of active TB were reported in King County, with four out of five of those infected born outside the United States.

Locally, Public Health – Seattle & King County’s TB Control program ensures that people with active tuberculosis are diagnosed and cured and that contacts at highest risk of infection are screened, so that infections do not spread to others.

“As an international community, King County is more vulnerable to diseases like tuberculosis, which are more common in other countries than our own,” said Dr. David Fleming, Director and Health Officer for Public Health - Seattle & King County. “By investing locally in TB control, we’re improving the community’s health and saving money by controlling the spread of TB, reducing the opportunity for outbreaks, and helping to prevent the development of multi-drug resistant forms of the disease that can be very expensive to treat.”

A broken public health funding system is putting TB control activities in King County at risk. Already, the TB Control program has reduced staff and services to the highest priority cases and contacts. A stable, long-term funding solution for local public health agencies in Washington state is needed to ensure that critical services like TB control continue to protect and improve community health.

King County TB statistics for 2008:

* 121 people were diagnosed with active TB, for a rate of 6.5 per 100,000 population; the national rate for 2008 was 4.2 per 100,000. There were 161 cases in 2007, which was a 38-year high.
* 81% of infected individuals were born outside of the United States. Individuals were predominantly from South-East Asia, East Africa and Central America. Over half of these individuals had spent five or more years in the United States prior to diagnosis.
* All non-white races continue to have disproportionately high rates of TB.
* 10 people (8%) treated for active TB were resistant to at least one TB medication.
* King County also reported three cases of multi-drug resistant TB (MDR-TB), with three additional cases of MDR-TB diagnosed in other United States locations and treated in King County.
* 88% of people with active TB knew their HIV status, and 8% of those were HIV-infected.
* 13 people who were homeless within a year prior to TB diagnosis were diagnosed with TB.

“We estimate approximately 100,000 people in King County have latent, or dormant, TB infection. While they aren’t contagious now, they could potentially have active TB in the future and also infect others,” said Dr. Masa Narita, TB Control Officer for Public Health - Seattle & King County. “TB is curable and preventable, but controlling TB is an ongoing challenge, especially with fewer resources to accomplish our work.”

The TB Control program in King County provides:

* case management of patients with active TB disease in order to assure the cure of their TB, stop further transmission of TB and prevent development of multi-drug resistant TB
* timely and thorough contact investigations around active TB cases to identify, evaluate and treat those who were exposed and/or recently infected

Background on TB

Tuberculosis, also called TB, is an infectious disease caused by a bacterium named Mycobacterium tuberculosis. TB often involves the lungs (pulmonary TB) but can infect almost any organ in the body. TB is almost always curable with antibiotics that are readily available in countries such as the United States.

People with active TB disease are made sick by bacteria that are active in their body. People with inactive, or latent, TB infection are not sick because the germ is inactive inside their body, and they cannot spread TB infection to others.


5,523 posted on 03/24/2009 3:23:59 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All; milford421; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; Calpernia; PGalt; LucyT

http://www.bigmedicine.ca/americas.htm#Ontario:_Tampering_associated_with_v

Ontario: Tampering associated with various luncheon meat kits and wieners

[Mar 21 Guelph]—The public warning issued earlier today has been expanded to include additional products. These items were identified after an inspection of the products which were removed from sale by the affected No Frills store on March 17, 2009.

The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) and Loblaw Companies Limited are warning the public not to consume certain luncheon meat kits described below.

This is an ongoing food safety investigation. The CFIA is working with Loblaw Companies Limited and the Guelph Police Service to investigate tampering of meat products at the No Frills store located on Silvercreek Parkway in Guelph. A number of products have been found to contain sewing needles.

The following products sold from the No Frills store located at 191 Silvercreek Parkway, Guelph, Ontario are affected by this alert:

Brand Common Name Format UPC Best Before / Lot Code
Schneiders Smart Lunch Fajita Combo Chicken & Mozzarella 351 g 62000 18467 2009 AL 03

Schneiders Lunch Mate Chicken Dunkers - Ketchup 109 g 62000 18475 2009 AL 06 9036

In addition, the CFIA is encouraging the public to carefully inspect any similar type products purchased at this store. Should there be any signs of tampering consumers are advised not to consume the product and to contact the police immediately.

Loblaw Companies Limited, Brampton, Ontario has voluntarily recalled the affected products from the No Frills store located at 191 Silvercreek Parkway, Guelph, Ontario, and is actively participating in this investigation.

The Guelph Police Service have published a community alert which may be viewed at http://www.police.guelph.on.ca/communityalert/communityalert.aspx#458


Prince Edward Island: Incidents of vomiting and diarrhea at Hillsborough Hospital

[Mar 21 Charlottetown]—Hillsborough Hospital is experiencing a number of cases of vomiting and diarrhea in one of the units at the hospital. Six patients on the unit, along with one staff member have experienced diarrhea and or vomiting.

“We are awaiting tests results from Halifax to determine if the symptoms presented are related to Norovirus,” said Dr. Lamont Sweet, deputy chief health officer for the Department of Health. “Symptoms of Norovirus usually last 24-48 hours and include vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal cramps and nausea. Hand washing is the most effective way to help prevent the spread of infection.”

“During the outbreak, there was a death of a patient who had the condition, but it is still unclear if the death was caused by the condition or another health condition,” said Dr. Sweet.

Read more: “Be well. Practice big medicine.” - http://www.bigmedicine.ca/americas.htm#Ontario:_Tampering_associated_with_v#ixzz0AfKBKuSJ


5,524 posted on 03/24/2009 3:29:09 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All; milford421

http://www.bigmedicine.ca/americas.htm#Ontario:_Tampering_associated_with_v

United States: AHRQ issues recommendations for safeguarding children during public health emergencies

[Mar 20 Washington DC]—The Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ) released two new tools designed to protect and care for children who are in a hospital or a school during a public health emergency.

The first tool consists of guidelines to assist pediatric hospitals in converting from standard operating capacity to surge capacity and help community hospital emergency departments provide care for large numbers of critically ill children. The tool addresses needs such as communications, staff responsibilities, triaging, stress management, and security concerns when handling large numbers of children with either communicable respiratory diseases or communicable foodborne or waterborne illnesses.

Emergency response planners have to take into account differences between children and adults such as children’s faster breathing rates, immature immune systems, limited self-preservation skills, greater risk of illness from exposure to extreme heat or cold, and greater risk of post-traumatic stress disorder.

“The Nation’s hospitals play a critical role in treating illnesses and injuries in children during public health emergencies,” said AHRQ Director Carolyn M. Clancy, M.D. “If natural disasters, such as a hurricane, or acts of terrorism, such as the release of anthrax, were to occur, hospitals need to be prepared for handling them.”

The second tool is a national model for school-based emergency response planning. It provides guidance on the recommended steps for both creating and implementing a school-based emergency response plan. Steps outlined include performing needs assessments, conducting site surveys, developing training modules for school staff, and informing parents of the plan, as well as steps relating to building security and safety, preparation for large-scale emergencies, sheltering-in-place and lockdown, evacuation, relocation, and communications.

Included with the guidance is a model school-based emergency response plan developed by the Brookline, Mass., school district in cooperation with the Center for Biopreparedness, the division of Harvard Medical School that prepared both sets of guidelines under contract to AHRQ.

Pediatric Hospital Surge Capacity in Public Health Emergencies and School-Based Emergency Preparedness: A National Analysis and Recommended Protocol are available on AHRQ’s Web site or free printed copies are available from the AHRQ Publications Clearinghouse at AHRQPubs@ahrq.gov.

AHRQ has other tools that can be used for pediatric emergency preparedness planning. One such tool is Decontamination of Children: Preparedness and Response for Hospital Emergency Departments, a 27-minute video that illustrates for emergency responders and hospital emergency department staff how to safely decontaminate children who have been exposed to hazardous chemicals, including those from a bioterrorist attack. In addition, Pediatric Terrorism and Disaster Preparedness: A Resource for Pediatricians, is a comprehensive report that is a practical resource that pediatricians can consult to plan for and respond to natural disasters and bioterrorist events. Its summary highlights significant parts of the report for quick reference.

AHRQ has supported more than 60 emergency preparedness-related studies, workshops, and conferences to help hospitals and health care systems prepare for public health emergencies. Many of these projects were made possible through collaboration with HHS’ Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, and other Federal agencies. More information about these projects can be found online at http://www.ahrq.gov/prep/

Read more: “Be well. Practice big medicine.” - http://www.bigmedicine.ca/americas.htm#Ontario:_Tampering_associated_with_v#ixzz0AfM7NgXF


5,525 posted on 03/24/2009 3:34:57 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

How many cats do you have? Are they tame enough to pet? Do they make breathing harder?<<<

I don’t know how many cats I feed, some days I see strange ones show up for dinner.

There are two that I can pet, but they are all feral.

No, they don’t bother the breathing, but I can’t bend over or the lung fluids move and shuts off my breathing.

So, no indoor cats, as I can’t clean the cat box.

Plus, that feral cat that got in and stayed 6 months, thought it a good idea to keep my bed wet and the next cat that came in, pied on it, to leave its scent, so no more indoor cats.

They live under the trailer, appear to have a cave under where the refrigerator sits and are quite comfortable. LOL, I mean under the floor, that supports the refrig.

I did not know some light bulbs put out less light.<<<

Next time you are in a store, read the side of the light bulb package, it will tell you how many Lumens it gives off, or some such.

And I want at least 100 watts of clear light, plus I have noticed the pink bulbs don’t even last a month.


5,526 posted on 03/24/2009 3:55:38 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: ChowChowFace

Thank you for reading the thread, you are welcome to join in.

Is there a subject that interests you?


5,527 posted on 03/24/2009 3:56:35 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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Here it is! We always used the really sour milk we had with our cow. I think
I cut the sugar down though.

Martha

Leah’s Grapenuts cereal
3 lbs. of brown sugar
2 1/2 quarts of butter milk or sour milk
3/4 lbs. of oil ( If you have cream, use sour half and half and no oil)
8 lbs. of Whole wheat flour
1 1/2 tsp. salt
maple flavoring
2 Tlbs of baking soda
2 Tlbs vanilla

dissolve soda in milk
Mix remaining ingred. Batter will be very thick and heavy.
Spread in cookie sheet or cake pans, and bake like a cake at 350 degrees
till fork comes out clean.
Let cool
this cake is good as a cake with maple frosting also.
Also my children like to just eat the cake in a bowl with milk on it.
But to make grapenuts, you put through food processor and make small chunks
like grapenuts cereal.
Put on baking sheet and bake slowly at 250 degrees until crisp, stir often.
Store in jars. Eat like regular grapenuts cereal.


Have you looked At www.moneysavingmom.com
She has links to alot of coupons


So many stores won’t accept online coupons. Check with your usual store/s before you start printing anything. It’s just wasted ink a large portion of the time now. If they do accept them, then a lot of times they won’t double or triple them.

Now, that being said, go to manufacturers websites to get them.I wouldn’t go to one of those places where you have to pay! Go to Bettycrocker.com, pillsbury.com, or whatever you use. There are a ton of coupons on their websites.

Also, a lot of grocery stores now do something where you can “upload” coupons to your savings card for their store. Wait an hour, and the coupon will be taken off immediately when you purchase the product.

Just some things to think about.

Educational materials?http://www.learningthings.com/aweb/aw.aspx?B=41&A=1449&Task=Click


To visit group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Frugal_moms_menus/


5,528 posted on 03/24/2009 4:51:38 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

ChestofBooks.com presents free online books on various topics

my connection has slowed to a craw but was able to see a lot here to read.

http://chestofbooks.com/index.html


5,529 posted on 03/24/2009 5:02:45 AM PDT by Eagle50AE (Pray for our Armed Forces.)
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“Honor, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them if we basely entail hereditary bondage on them.”

—Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of the Causes and Necessities of Taking up Arms, 6 July 1775

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5,530 posted on 03/24/2009 5:02:46 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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Placemark BUMP! Keeping up for the last 330 posts...not bad...lots of good information. Thanks to all posters.


5,531 posted on 03/24/2009 6:51:50 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Bookmark bumped. Thanks for all the great information. Will be dropping in again.


5,532 posted on 03/24/2009 11:36:59 AM PDT by ChowChowFace
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To: PGalt

I am laughing and thinking “Good for him, only 15,000 to go!!”

Thank you for coming to read our efforts, for they are useless if not shared.


5,533 posted on 03/24/2009 11:37:32 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Eagle50AE

my connection has slowed to a craw but was able to see a lot here to read.

http://chestofbooks.com/index.html

<<<

Thanks for the link, I have it open to read, not a surprise that your connection has slowed down, for Yahoo Email has totally crashed and when it should have changed pages, did not and put up a notice “Sorry we have a problem and are working on it, we have crashed”.

I do hope it is not a problem that is spreading over the internet.


5,534 posted on 03/24/2009 11:40:41 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: ChowChowFace

Good to hear, for you are welcome anytime.


5,535 posted on 03/24/2009 11:42:45 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

“I heard yesterday that the Atlas Shrugged website is banned on the Gov computers, they labeled it a hate site.”

wow!


5,536 posted on 03/24/2009 11:53:53 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Those waffles sound really good. I’d like to try them with freshly made whole wheat flour. Mmmmmm...


5,537 posted on 03/24/2009 11:58:08 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

>>>I do hope it is not a problem that is spreading over the internet.<<<

East Coast Report: Running realllllly slow too...


5,538 posted on 03/24/2009 1:01:43 PM PDT by DelaWhere ("Without power over our own food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe)
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http://myecon101.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, March 24, 2009
Alternate Reality 2
I cant’ escape it. No matter where I turn I see news that makes no sense and has only a minimal attachment to reality - at least my reality. By that I mean the reality that I grew up with. The reality where America - the place I was born and raised - was a constitutional republic with a capitalist economic system. That’s where I came from. That’s my comfort zone.

But now I’m not even sure we still have a constitution. If we do it must be in tatters. Today I read that my President wants to hand over to Tiny Tim Geithner the authority to seize any businesses - not just banks - that he sees as a threat to the stability of the economy. And once those companies are seized, the government would have the right to set salaries and bonuses for all employees as well as having direct oversight over company operation.

Huh? Six months ago if anyone had told me that I would have thought they’d been dippin’ into the ‘good stuff’. Now it’s just part of the daily news. And what’s even weirder is it doesn’t seem to be worrying anybody - AT ALL!!! That’s right, everybody’s too worried over the AIG bonuses.

Next I find that one of the U.S. Senators from Maryland is introducing a bill allowing newspapers to become non-profit organizations so that the industry can survive. Okay...? Maybe that’s what they should have done for the buggy whip manufacturers in the early 20th century. Make them ‘non-profits’ so they won’t have to fail.

And then I listen to the happy-face media telling me that the economy may have turned the corner because housing sales and the stock markets are up. Well guess what? Housing inventories haven’t dropped, so increased sales is really just a sign of banks offloading more houses with bad mortgages at depressed prices. And why is the stock market up? Because of Timmy’s kewl plan to unfreeze the credit markets.

Guess what? We’re already almost 4 TRILLION DOLLARS into unfreezing the markets without any results. What makes anyone think this NEW plan - which is really just another way to hand out more bailout money in the form of ‘loans’ that never need to be paid back - is going to change anything. When asked today what his backup plan was if this doesn’t work, Geithner’s essential response was: “Back-up plan? What back-up plan?” According to Tim, all it will take to make this successful is the ‘will to make it work’.

Gee, Tim. How insightful. Are you also going to offer free courses in positive thinking as well, so we all have ‘the will to make it work’? Sheesh!!!


5,539 posted on 03/24/2009 3:44:54 PM PDT by DelaWhere ("Without power over our own food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe)
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To: DelaWhere
Guess what? We’re already almost 4 TRILLION DOLLARS into unfreezing the markets without any results.

All this just makes me want to scream! We are becoming more socialized every day. The AIG executives are villified, yet the AIG bailout money that went to Europe - $60 BILLION - nobody cares about! We are one step closer to the nationalization of not only our banks but now other industires. And the economy is in tatters. Even if (and it is one big IF) we get out of a recession within a year or two, there is still that pesky business of a huge national debt that can never be repaid. It's like saying because someone got a new job making 5% more, they'll be fine. The fact that they owe millions of dollars isn't important..
5,540 posted on 03/24/2009 3:50:34 PM PDT by CottonBall
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