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European Neanderthals had ginger hair and freckles [ and Type O blood ]
Telegraph ^ | December 29, 2008 | Edward Owen

Posted on 12/30/2008 8:17:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv

The gene known as MC1R suggests the Neanderthals had fair skin and even freckles like redheads. After analysing the fossil bones found in a cave in north-west Spain, the experts concluded they had human blood group "O" and were genetically more likely to be fair skinned, perhaps even with freckles, have red or ginger hair and could talk... The report, published in BMC Evolutionary Biology, concludes that: "These results suggest the genetic change responsible for the O blood group in humans predates the human and Neanderthal divergence" but came "after humans separated from their common ancestor ... chimpanzees." ...One gene known as MC1R suggests the Neanderthals had fair skin and even freckles like redheads. Another, a variety of FOXP2, is related to speaking and the capacity to create a language and therefore suggests they could communicate orally... Since 2000, archeo-paleontologists, wearing special sealed white suits, masks and helmets have been painstakingly sifting through 1,500 bone fragments found in the "Tunnel of Bones" in the Sidrón cave complex in Borines, Asturias, north-west Spain. Unnatural striations in the bones suggest that the Neanderthals practised cannibalism and broke the bones to pick out succulent bone marrow. But why this group died, without wild animals discovering and contaminating their remains, or why indeed the Neanderthals in general became extinct, still remains a mystery... One theory is that they succumbed to an ice age or another, more sinister, is that they were wiped out by the arrival of our more direct human ancestors from Africa.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: bloodtype; bloodtypes; chromosome9; dna; foxp2; freckles; gingergene; gingers; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; mattridley; mc1r; mtdna; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; neu5gc; redhair; redhead; redheads; sialicacid; strawman
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To: SunkenCiv
Case closed:


41 posted on 12/30/2008 9:28:33 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([In the primaries, vote "FOR". In the general, vote "AGAINST". ...See? Easy.])
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To: Islander7

No, she’s just hot.


42 posted on 12/30/2008 9:33:19 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Women were treated like livestock by Mohammad, so Allah must want women treated like cows forever.)
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To: Salamander
As one with Danish blood, I’ll accept that...:)

Ditto ...

43 posted on 12/30/2008 9:36:24 PM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
so red heads should be considered a protective class and be listed as a minority and get special treatment since they are neanderthals.

The one I'm married to already gets plenty of special treatment but if I try to tell her that she's a Neanderthal, I'm the one who's going to need the protection.

44 posted on 12/30/2008 9:39:28 PM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: Pyro7480
> Red hair and BROWN eyes. That's a rare combination.

Not at all rare or uncommon amongst the Welsh!

Unlike many red-heads, these are even-tempered, affectionate and gentle.

45 posted on 12/30/2008 9:42:46 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
I have the bony ridge thing as well. NEVER enough Novocaine! Take it for what it's worth, but my dental hygienist said it was from the high amounts of calcium naturally occurring in the water in our region.

I myself think it is genetic. My parents are both blue-eyed as am I and my brother. We all have the same bony ridge.

I'm one of the O Neg Rh Neg weirdos and 1/2 Danish to boot. I want reparations!

46 posted on 12/30/2008 9:49:43 PM PST by mplsconservative
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To: SunkenCiv

Genesis 25:25
25 The first to come out was red, and his whole body was like a hairy garment; so they named him Esau. [a]

Footnotes:

Genesis 25:25 Esau may mean hairy ; he was also called Edom, which means red.

Genesis 27

11 Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, “But my brother Esau is a hairy man, and I’m a man with smooth skin. 12 What if my father touches me? I would appear to be tricking him and would bring down a curse on myself rather than a blessing.


47 posted on 12/30/2008 10:00:47 PM PST by Paperpusher
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To: Pyro7480

Looks like a shipwrecked Armada survivor plugged into the family tree, there.

Nice...


48 posted on 12/30/2008 10:04:04 PM PST by ExGeeEye (COTUS 2A should be the USA's ONLY gun law.)
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To: Salamander
If humans evolved from apes, why do we still have apes?

Different species of apes went in different directions, evolutionarily speaking. The fact that one branch of the ape family consists of humans does not mean that all other apes went extinct.

In any event, humans did not evolve from any of the other existing species of ape. We share common ancestors, but we did not evolve from chimps, gorillas or any other existing ape species.

49 posted on 12/30/2008 10:11:01 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Citizen Blade

Have you met my husband? j/k


50 posted on 12/30/2008 10:21:29 PM PST by mplsconservative
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To: SunkenCiv; All

O can donate to any blood type (universal donor) but can only receive type O in return.

Swing back to Neanderthal times: Neanderthal mother with pure Type O mates with other than O - fetus develops with type A (or B or AB) blood. Mother’s body forms antibodies attacking the A (or B or AB) as foreign substance - first child is born fine, but subsequent O to A (or B or AB) mating results in those same antibodies formed from first pregnancy, attacking fetal A (or B or AB) blood from second pregnancy.

Modern day: Mother requires transfusions to successfully carry subsequent pregnancies with same mate.

Back to neanderthal days: no transfusions avail, then death of mother or death of fetus? with subsequent mating to same mate.

Question to consider: Did crossbreeding with other than O blood types cause extinction of neanderthal female species (death from complications of pregnancy), or cause an inability of cross-bred females to carry to term (inability to provide subsequent generations of neanderthal) because of incompatibility of fetal blood type to maternal blood type?

best regards, blu


51 posted on 12/30/2008 10:22:08 PM PST by blueplum
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
Doug Barber love redheads with freckles. I'm #19 on this page of his website.(old pic, obviously)
52 posted on 12/30/2008 10:40:49 PM PST by redhead (If you want real PEACE, work for PROSPERITY.)
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To: Salamander
"Mine’s A+. I scored higher than you."

Mine's ambiguous, but still high (AB+). The blood bank loves to see me coming.

53 posted on 12/30/2008 10:45:18 PM PST by redhead (If you want real PEACE, work for PROSPERITY.)
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To: Citizen Blade

Actually, that “question” was a one-liner from some comedian.


54 posted on 12/30/2008 11:12:20 PM PST by Salamander ( Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins; SunkenCiv; All

Somehow the % for type O blood doesn’t make sense. I thought that more than half the population had type A blood.


55 posted on 12/30/2008 11:38:25 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

That would be type O- the most common blood group.


56 posted on 12/30/2008 11:39:50 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: blueplum; SunkenCiv; All

I think you may be confusing the blood type with the Rh problem.

If an Rh negative mother has an Rh positive child (I think), the child may be born with a problem and need a replacement transfusion. Then again it may be the reverse. I know my mother was Rh negative and I am Rh positive, but I was the first. I think there are fewer problems if the mother waits 3 or more years between pregnancies.


57 posted on 12/30/2008 11:47:38 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: SunkenCiv; PJ-Comix

carrottop was a caveman!


58 posted on 12/31/2008 12:04:07 AM PST by GeronL (long lost freeper)
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To: SunkenCiv

59 posted on 12/31/2008 12:05:02 AM PST by sushiman
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To: denydenydeny
"after humans separated from their common ancestor ... chimpanzees." There's at least one word missing there. Any number of words(even a simple "with") would restore the accuracy
60 posted on 12/31/2008 2:48:31 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ("Never apologize, Mister. It's a sign of weakness" - Nathan Brittles)
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