It’s a shame that this subject even had to go to a vote.
really sad that they even had to vote on it. so pathetic that so many of these religions don’t even know the Word of God.
Earlier than the 1970s, this would not have even been news.
Careful. That much sanity and a cold drink of water could kill your average leftwad.
And magically the pedophile problem that plagues other churches with gay priests is solved.
They will keep on voting until they win and then its “settled” and no one can ever bring it up again.
In contrast to the Episcopal Church, where it's widely believed to be a requirement....
Good move for this church.
How do they prove that they’re gay?
Not to be confused with the PCUSA which at the national level is very liberal. In my Presbytery (county level type thing) they voted a few years ago to get rid of “drawing lots” to select people for the national convention as a representative and voter.
The idea of drawing lots did seem a bit old fashioned. (In Biblical times it was used often, with the idea that God controlled it.)
As soon as the means of being chosen was changed to a popular vote, there was an amendment made that of the people to go, at least 50% of them had to be women. And that at least one homosexual or transgender needed to go too. (So not really a vote at all!)
God knew what He was doing when He called for drawing lots! (BTW - the woman head of the Presbytery just used the term “Her” when talking about the Holy Spirit!)
What do they do with the existing queer ministers.
In the discussion of these doctrinal issues cut to the chase. These people are pro-sodomy. Don’t mince words about it. When discussing this issue translate their speech of “gay” in to what the Bible actually calls it. Use Biblical terms when discussing doctrine. i.e. Are you for the Sodomification of the church body? Do you support Sodomy as a natural and loving act or as an abomination to the Lord?
Stand for the truth
there is a prominent PCA pastor in St. Louis who is upset over this vote.
He is homosexual but celibate. He says if homosexuals are celibate, they should be able to lead churches. (I am pretty sure he said he was homosexual AFTER being put in his current station, though I could be wrong.)
I think the assembly made the correct decision. Should not have even been that close.
Reformed ping?
Actually surprised by this vote. Thought Presbyterians fairly liberal...
Uh oh. They are going against the established church. /smirk.
This is excellent news and good ministry for real Christians who are tempted in this area. They need a strong consistent biblical position, not excuses and equivocation.
Praise God
“Those who profess an identity (such as gay Christian,’ ‘same-sex attracted Christian,’ ‘homosexual Christian,’ or like terms) that undermines or contradicts their identity as new creations in Christ, either by denying the sinfulness of fallen desires (such as, but not limited to, same-sex attraction) or by denying the reality and hope of progressive sanctification, or by failing to pursue Spirit-empowered victory over their sinful temptations, inclinations, and actions are not qualified for ordained office.”[snip]
“…Careful reflection must be given to his practical struggle against sinful actions, as well as to persistent sinful desires. The candidate must give clear testimony of reliance upon his union with Christ and the benefits thereof by the Holy Spirit, depending on this work of grace to make progress over sin. … While imperfection will remain, he should not be known by reputation or self-profession according to his remaining sinfulness (e.g., homosexual desires, etc.), but rather by the work of the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus.”