Posted on 06/11/2011 3:46:44 PM PDT by Kartographer
In today’s “modern” globalist economy, we have relied upon centralized and highly manipulated trade, forced interdependency, senseless and undisciplined consumption, endless debt creation, welfare addiction, and the erosion of quality, as a means to sustain a system that ultimately is DESIGNED to erode our freedoms not to mention our ability to effectively take care of ourselves. We have been infantized by our financial environment. In the near future, those who wish to live beyond a meager staple of government handouts (if any are even given) will be required to make a 180 degree reversal from their current lifestyle of dependency and immediate gratification towards one of self sufficiency, personal entrepreneurship, quality trade, and a mindset of necessity, rather than unfounded excess.
This means that each and every one of us will not only be driven to form barter networks outside the designated confines of the mainstream, we will have to become active producers within those networks. Each and every one of us will need to discover practical goods and skills that will be in high demand regardless of economic conditions. Being that our society has all but forgotten how this kind of trade works, let’s examine a short list of items as well as proficiencies that are sure to be highly sought after as the collapse progresses…
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>>Then you’ve got a couple of brand new best friends. Did I mention that Mrs. L was a four star chef in another life? <<
Hey, I drafted you first! And Mrs. L. is part of the package! We can just take the smokes from JRF! That is the POINT of having a zombie biker gang!!
>> I’ll say good-bye and good luck.<<
And you you as well. If God wills it NEITHER of us will need to test our individual risk models.
Let’s hope Mr. Cain (my desire), Gov. Palin or one of the other (too darn few) Conservatives (no RINOs, please) win and we can just not have to plan so darn hard for at least 8 years.
Some people will see, and be as prepared as they can. Others refuse to see, and mock.
The bias of normalcy infects many.
>>The bias of normalcy infects many.<<
The bias of self-importance infects even more. And saddens many.
Are your pinworms bothering you tonight?
That is absurd. My garden can save thousands of $$$ and it feeds my family and several others all year, every year. A garden is as dependable as you make it.
>>Are your pinworms bothering you tonight?<<
Well, you are. This is the first chance I have had to actually put a name to one.
Pop quiz: what group of people look down their noses, sniff and mock anyone who disagrees with them as being “just being one of the normal people.”
Anyone? Anyone at all?
>>That is absurd. My garden can save thousands of $$$ and it feeds my family and several others all year, every year. A garden is as dependable as you make it.<<
I have too many posts explaining what I meant by that to go back over them now. May I suggest you review what it takes to keep your garden fresh? Gasoline to transport seeds/soil/etc? Soil? Pesticides? Tools to do weeding? Weed-killer (some do some don’t)? A good climate (in most of the USA a garden is seasonal) or a greenhouse?
All these things will be unavailable “post collapse.”
Just a thought but a garden is a great idea for a lot of reasons. Tomatoes and other salad fixings from a home garden (I love home grown peppers and they are pretty easy to grow) taste FANTASTIC and will sustain you.
But I also respectfully ask, could you feed yourself and your family more than a month or so from your garden? If so, you have a farm, not a garden.
I am just asking the hard questions than each of us need to answer.
It was pretty awesome!
What you are suffering from (besides the possible pinworms) ia accusing others of what you are doing.
Only you’re accusing those preparing for possible disruptions as being “kooks”.
Have fun!
And btw, raw garlic - three times a day for at least 2 to 3 weeks - is an excellent cure for pinworms, plus washing all underwear, towels and bedding very well and hanging in the sun or drying in a hot drier.
“If we were really at 75% employment we would be looking at dust bowl conditions.”
Take away food stamps and that’s exactly where we are.
“It is bad but just not that bad yet.”
By the standards used to calculate unemployment during the Great Depression, it has been that bad for some time.
“And I don’t see it coming to food riots or needing to use my zombie biker army.”
You asked earlier why people were so brusque. Another poster mentioned that people are afraid, which is true. There is another thing, IMO: many of us are convinced that “something wicked this way comes,” and optimists appear pollyanna-ish. We’re not afraid you’re right; we’re afraid you’re wrong, and your refusal to take the worst-case scenarios seriously appears wrong-headed. That’s frustrating.
“Especially if we elect Herman Cain in 2012. Then this whole discussion becomes moot :)”
America-haters will attempt to capitalize on the Kenyan Commie’s defeat to incite prolonged riots. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of us burned off a thousand rounds in a couple of hours just keeping our families safe.
Barackolypse now.
The forces of evil might—likely would—try to capitalize on that kind of civil disorder in November and December 2012 by declaring martial law and “postponing” the inauguration of the president-elect.
That said, if a candidate doesn’t drive the leftards into a slavering, convulsing, howling, puking, chewing-their-own-lips-off, full-blown “Exorcist” seizure, that candidate is not morally fit for office.
By that standard, the *only* acceptable candidate is Governor Palin.
I’m not sure why you believe gardeners to require soil. You mention it twice. It’s as common as dirt, you know. A half acre garden will have you knee deep in produce when it starts coming in, to the point that you’re exhausted from canning and freezing, and begging neighbors and family to come get some before it goes to seed or rots. You’ve never set foot in an actual, private vegetable garden, have you?
>>Only you’re accusing those preparing for possible disruptions as being “kooks”.<<
Read my response and then your post. I am 100% sure I did not use the term “kooks.” You, OTOH, “accused” me of having “the bias of normalcy.” I admit was my implication that you were mocking me for that, and thus attempting to elevate yourself above said “normalcy.” I am certain I am not alone in seeing that as the sniffing self-importance of one who is above normalcy. My question of what group of people also see “the bias of normalcy” as a lesser set of people is not out of line.
You realize that these posts are here for all to see, right? This is easy stuff to prove. And disprove.
I’m pretty sure that what little jeremiah meant by “bias of normalcy” was a bias toward the assumption that the world will go on as normal, that there will be no drastic changes.
I’m confident that there was no imputation of an inferior status.
“I can’t picture a scenario that would require seeds.”
Picture an empty grocery store.
>>America-haters will attempt to capitalize on the Kenyan Commie’s defeat to incite prolonged riots. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of us burned off a thousand rounds in a couple of hours just keeping our families safe.<<
I just don’t see that. If it gets to then the whole world will have to collapse.
If it does, then your few thousand rounds will only last you a short time. You will need millions of rounds and your own 24X7X365 zombie biker gang to keep you safe.
>>By that standard, the *only* acceptable candidate is Governor Palin.<<
That is a different discussion for a different thread. I support Herman Cain. It makes no sense for us to get into a Mr. Cain vs. Gov. Palin argument.
>>I’m not sure why you believe gardeners to require soil. You mention it twice. It’s as common as dirt, you know. A half acre garden will have you knee deep in produce when it starts coming in, to the point that you’re exhausted from canning and freezing, and begging neighbors and family to come get some before it goes to seed or rots. You’ve never set foot in an actual, private vegetable garden, have you?<<
You have me on several points. I was picturing a standard backyard garden. Very few Americans have a 1/2 an acre available for a “garden.” Which has been one of my points from the beginning.
And with a 1/2 acre, do you need a tractor? If not, do you use a mule?
No matter what situation you describe, very few (I will say the Amish and some Mormons may be so) Americans are in a position to be 100% independent of our modern supply chain.
You need food for the mule, gas for the tractor, etc. And you need protection for the whole setup.
And the net result is you are living 3 centuries back.
I repeat: GARDENS ARE A GREAT IDEA! They just are limited in reach and limited in their utility in a “post collapse” world. And there will be no “post collapse” world.
>>I’m pretty sure that what little jeremiah meant by “bias of normalcy” was a bias toward the assumption that the world will go on as normal, that there will be no drastic changes.
I’m confident that there was no imputation of an inferior status.<<
Then why post at all? The statement as you posit has zero meaning.
You say vanilla, I say vaNIlla...
And of course the pinworms comment was innocuous. Oh, and posting about my comment while not pinging me as per FR Nettiqutete. And intruding on a conversation that was underway...
But the mirth it all provides is worth it.
>>Picture an empty grocery store.<<
Very few Americans own a grocery store. Even fewer grocery stores grown their own products.
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