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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

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To: BP2; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; All

c. September 1959. Barack Obama leaves his pregnant wife behind to enroll in the University of Hawaii. Hawaii had just joined the Union in August. He pronounces his name with the accent on the first syllable, “Bear-ick.”

c. June 1960. Ann Dunham graduates from high school in Mercer Island, WA.

September 26, 1960. The Dunham family moves to Hawaii, where Ann enrolls in the University. Madelyn finds work as a teller for the Bank of Hawaii.

c. September 1960. Ann, an anthropology major, meets Barack, an economics major, in a Russian class at the University of Hawaii. At that time the study of Russian was inextricably mixed up with communism. They hang around in the same group of anti-war students; she is the only female in it, and the only teenager.

early to mid November 1960. UH freshman Ann Dunham (17) reportedly becomes pregnant by Barack Obama (24).

c. December 1960. Ann drops out of UH after only one semester.

Feb 2, 1961. Barack reportedly marries Ann—an illegal marriage, even in progressive Hawaii. No records of their secret wedding on Maui are available.

c. May 1961 Barack is out of school for the summer; a good time to get home to visit his wife and children, including Auma, the daughter he’s never met.

August 4, 1961. The date listed for the birth of Barack Hussein Obama II in Honolulu, Hawaii, on his Certificate of Live Birth. Later, his birth records are sealed by the Governor of Hawaii. No witness has come forward to testify having attended his birth in HI, but several of his Kenyan relatives insist that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya.

August 8, 1961. Barack Hussein Obama II’s Certificate of Live Birth is filed, showing parents as Stanley Ann and Barack Hussein Obama.

August 13, 1961. The Honolulu Advertiser lists among its birth announcements “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy, son, Aug. 4.” They call him “Barry,” with the accent on the first syllable.

c. late August, 1961 Barack returns to finish up his last year at UH. Ann, however, returns with Barry to visit friends on Mercer Island and enrolls as an extension student at the University of Washington, completing 20 credits by the next summer.

June 1962. Barack graduates from UH with a B.A. in Mathematics and Economics, and takes a scholarship from Harvard for an MA in economics.

Spring 1962. Moving back to Honolulu, Ann and her son move in with the Dunhams and enroll on welfare. Ann continues her studies at UH.

December 12, 1963. Kenya assumes independence, led by a coalition of Kikuyu and Luo politicians, representing the first and second largest of over thirty ethnic groups in the highly divided country.

January 1964. Ann files for divorce. Barack signs the papers in Cambridge. Barack goes on to marry another American. They have two sons in Kenya before she divorces him to marry a Tanzanian. Barack goes on to marry at least 2 more Kenyan women.

June 1964. The divorce between Ann and Barack becomes final.

c. September 1964. Ann returns to college at UH. There she meets another economics major, Lolo Soetoro from Indonesia.

http://whitemail.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-chronology.html


8,981 posted on 04/09/2010 12:34:35 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

Incredible how, who-ever compiled this, never included a single source all the way through. It’s useless.


8,982 posted on 04/09/2010 3:26:56 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: STARWISE; BP2

http://www.radiohc.cu/heroes/ingles/cronologia/cronologia6.htm

1988: Bomb explodes at Miami Cuba, which ships medical supplies to Cuba.

1988: Bomb threat against Iberia Airlines in protest of Spain’s relations with Cuba.

1988: Bomb explodes outside Cuban Museum of Art and Culture after auction of paintings by Cuban artists.

1988: Bomb explodes outside home of Maria Cristina Herrera, organizer of a conference on U.S.-Cuba relations.

1988: Bomb threat against WQBA-AM after commentator denounces Herrera bombing.

1988: Bomb threat at local office of Immigration and Naturalization Service in protest of terrorist Orlando Bosch being jailed.

1988: Bomb explodes near home of Griselda Hidalgo, advocate of unrestricted travel to Cuba.

1988: Bomb damages Bele Cuba Express, which ships packages to Cuba.

I’m NOT suggesting there’s any connection, these were, from what I can gather, ANTI-CUBAN actions, but things were far from boring in Miami in 1988.


8,983 posted on 04/09/2010 4:11:56 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: STARWISE

And why would he have had a Kansas address?


8,984 posted on 04/09/2010 9:38:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah

I know ..... why?


8,985 posted on 04/09/2010 9:39:49 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

Will the real Barack Hussein Obama/Barry Obama/Barry Soetoro please stand up?


8,986 posted on 04/09/2010 9:41:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Fred Nerks

I sure know that .... I lived just
south of there then.

Lots of cocaine cowboy wars and
a few shootouts.


8,987 posted on 04/09/2010 9:41:37 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: BP2; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; little jeremiah; El Gato; All

For the Archives

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Emanuel’s letter to Blagojevich highlights governor’s squandered opportunity.

Excerpt:

If you did not know the back story, you would not fully appreciate Rep. Rahm Emanuel’s resignation letter to Gov. Blagojevich, who is the subject of impeachment proceedings in the Illinois House, for, among other reasons, trying to auction off President-elect Barack Obama’s Senate seat.

Emanuel, first elected to the House in 2002, formally announced Monday he would end his House career Jan. 2 to join the Obama administration as White House chief of staff. He was the fourth ranking Democrat in the House, given the post after he ran the political operation that won back control of the House for Democrats in 2006.

He informed residents of his 5th Congressional District, anchored in Chicago’s North and Northwest Side neighborhoods, with robo calls on Monday.

Emanuel is on a long-planned vacation to Kenya, Uganda and Zambia, traveling with his wife, Amy, their three children and friends.

*snip*

Emanuel, who might have been Speaker of the House if Obama had not called, starts a new chapter in the historic Obama White House.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/12/emanuels_letter_to_blagojevich.html#more

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Emanuel Heads To Africa As Blagojevich Report Drops

Excerpt:

With the Obama transition team set to release an internal report regarding the extent of its interactions with embattled governor Rod Blagojevich, one of the key figures in the mix is heading out of the country.

Incoming White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel left on Tuesday for a “long planned family vacation in Africa,” a transition official confirmed to the Huffington Post.

The internal review by the Obama team is expected to clear Emanuel of any impropriety regarding the Blagojevich scandal, and Emanuel’s departure suggests he feels comfortable enough to be out of the country (and not doing damage control) on the day the report drops. Obama, meanwhile, is vacationing in Hawaii — another indication that the president-elect’s team is not exactly sweating out the matter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/23/emanuel-heads-to-africa-a_n_153096.html


8,988 posted on 04/12/2010 11:21:08 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: All

Further

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December 23 at 2:09PM
Rahm Emanuel Catching the Rains Down in Africa
POSTED BY: Dennis DiClaudio

With the Obama offices just about to release something that resembles information about its alleged ties to Rod Blagojevich’s office, soon-to-be Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is making a break for it…

Incoming White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel left on Tuesday for a “long planned family vacation in Africa,” a transition official confirmed to the Huffington Post…

Transition officials did not specify where in Africa he went, though another source said the family would be going on a safari. Nevertheless, it’s an interesting choice for a holiday vacation.

At least Emanuel was smart enough to chose an actual other continent.

Barack Obama made the very common mistake of assuming he was leaving the country by going to Hawaii.

http://www.indecisionforever.com/2008/12/23/rahm-emanuel-catching-the-rains-down-in-africa/

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(WND-Jerome Corsi speaks of harsh treatment, threats in interview on Fox and Friends)
PROOF OBAMA BACKED KENYA DICTATOR RAILA ODINGA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvmmG7dQMLc

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Obama and Odinga Campaign in Kenya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eVVVKFHu0&feature=player_embedded#

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DISPATCH FROM NAIROBI
Kenya holds Corsi ‘incommunicado’
Officials scuttle WND reporter’s news conference on Obama probe

Excerpt:

Posted: October 07, 2008
7:26 am Eastern

Excerpt:

WND senior staff writer Jerry Corsi

NAIROBI, Kenya – The government of Kenya is holding WND senior staff reporter Jerome Corsi incommunicado at the airport until he departs the country after police shut down a scheduled news conference in which he planned to announce the findings of his investigation into Barack Obama’s connections in the country.

Corsi, the author of the No. 1 best-selling book “The Obama Nation,” was picked up by authorities at his hotel at 9:45 a.m. and detained at Nyayo House, the provincial headquarters for Nairobi.

“Just as we were about to start the 10 a.m. press conference at the Grand Regency Hotel in Nairobi, Kenyan immigration approached us and detained us,” Corsi told WND by telephone this morning. “Tim Bueler, my publicist, and I are now in the immigration offices, with our passports taken. The immigration officer told the press, ‘There is no problem, and Dr. Corsi is a friend of Kenya.’”

Corsi and Bueler are booked on a British Airways flight to London tonight, an airline agent confirmed to WND. But Joseph Farah, WND editor and CEO, said he was in touch with Corsi until about 9:30 a.m. Eastern today and has not been able to reach him for several hours.

“We also hear unconfirmed reports from the government claiming it has ‘deported’ Corsi,” Farah said. “Since Corsi was scheduled to leave the country today, this would seem to be a strange action from a government that was well aware of Corsi’s presence, his travels and his activities in the country for the last week.”

Peter Mbae, a Kenyan publicist who arranged the news conference, told WND he spoke with an immigration officer who confirmed that Ministry of Immigration authorities are holding Corsi and Bueler at the airport until their flight tonight.

Their movements are restricted, and they have no access to telephones, Mbae said, citing the officer.

Corsi had extensive meetings with top Kenyan officials upon his arrival. His visit and his activities during his stay have been well-known to authorities at the highest levels.

*snip*

A hotel worker in Nairobi told Reuters Corsi was picked up as soon as he walked into the hotel for the scheduled press conference: “He was walking in and then some immigration officers who were following him snatched him. It happened so fast, they just vanished with him

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77268


8,989 posted on 04/12/2010 11:48:36 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: All

Senator Barack Obama in Kenya > Obama and Odinga: The True Story

*snip*

Perhaps most troubling is Odinga’s links to Islamic extremists in Kenya. According to Voice of America and the Evangelical Alliance of Kenya, on 8/29/07, Odinga signed a secret agreement (exposed 11/27) with Sheikh Abdullah Abdi of the National Muslim

Leaders Forum (NAMLEF) in which he agreed to institute Islamic law in exchange for Abdi’s support (eakenya.org)–thereby potentially disenfranchising and curtailing the liberties of millions of Christian Kenyan women. Further, he promised that Muslims suspected of terrorism would be safe from extradition—thereby establishing a ‘safe haven’ for terrorists in Kenya.

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/senator-barack-obama-in-kenya-obama-and-odinga-the-true-story/


8,990 posted on 04/12/2010 11:51:50 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: EDINVA; onyx; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

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8,991 posted on 04/16/2010 10:10:53 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

More proof that Obama is hiding something big. Thanks for the report SW!


8,992 posted on 04/17/2010 7:31:08 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: STARWISE

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8,993 posted on 04/17/2010 4:26:44 PM PDT by Jedidah (Character, courage, common sense are more important than issues.)
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To: Jedidah

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8,994 posted on 04/17/2010 4:37:09 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: onyx; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; bushpilot1; Pablo Mac; ...

For the archives

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The Origins and Interpretation of the Presidential Eligibility Clause in the U.S. Constitution:

Why Did the Founding Fathers Want the President To Be a “Natural Born Citizen”

and

What Does this Clause Mean for Foreign-Born Adoptees?

by John Yinger(1)
Revised Version, April 6, 2000

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Excerpt:
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Introduction
In Article II, Section 1, the U.S. Constitution says:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States (emphasis added).

This commentary focuses on the first eligibility requirement in this clause, namely the requirement that the President be a “natural born citizen.” What are the origins of this requirement? What does it mean?

The full answers to these questions are lost in the back room discussions between the Founding Fathers during 1787, but some evidence has survived over the centuries.

I first take a look at the evidence from the Constitutional Convention, then I turn to other evidence. In the conclusion I consider the implications of this history for the presidential eligibility of foreign-born adoptees.

Evidence from the Constitutional Convention

The presidential eligibility clause appeared in constitutional drafts near the end of the Constitutional Convention in 1787. The surviving notes on the deliberations at the Convention, and other related material, provide some evidence concerning the origins of this clause.

The John Jay Letter

***The most direct evidence about the origins of the “natural born citizen” clause comes from a letter that John Jay wrote to George Washington, who was at the time serving as President of the Constitutional Convention.

(2) John Jay was not a delegate to the Convention; his views conflicted with those of the majority in his state, New York, and he was not elected by the state legislature.

(3) However, he was a well-known figure who had been President of the Continental Congress. Moreover, he would become an author, along with Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, of some of the famous Federalist Papers, written to encouraged New Yorkers to ratify the proposed constitution, and, after the Constitution had been ratified, he would be appointed as the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.

(4) It seems reasonable to suppose, therefore, that his letter carried some weight.

In this letter, dated July 25, 1787, Jay wrote:

***Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen (emphasis in the original).
***

(5) The meaning of this letter is not entirely clear.

In today’s usage, the word “administration” might be thought to limit the focus of the first part of the letter to the executive branch. According to one historian, however, this part was primarily directed at members of the legislative branch.

(6) Moreover, the second part of the letter, where the expression “natural born” appears, also may not have been directed at the President; at that point Jay had no way of knowing that the Convention would ultimately make the President the commander-in-chief.

Nevertheless, this letter is the only document connected to the Constitutional Convention that explicitly argues for a “natural born” citizen in a high executive position.

According to one scholar, Charles Gordon,

“Possibly this letter was motivated by distrust of Baron von Stuben, who had served valiantly in the Revolutionary forces, but whose subsequent loyalty was suspected by Jay.

Another theory is that the Jay letter, and the resulting constitutional provision, responded to rumors that the convention was concocting a monarchy to be ruled by a foreign monarch.”

(7) However, Gordon does not give much weight to Jay’s letter, and he concludes that “no explanation of the origin or purpose of the presidential qualification clause appears anywhere in the recorded deliberation of the Convention.”(8)

Madison’s Convention Notes

My own reading of James Madison’s notes, which are the principal record of the debates in the Constitutional Convention, leads me to a different conclusion about the origins of this clause.

On July 25, 1787, when John Jay’s letter was dated, the Convention was debating the nature of the Executive branch. In particular, the delegates were considering a clause that called for the Executive to be elected by the Legislature.

If this provision were adopted, Madison said,

the ministers of foreign powers would have and make use of, the opportunity to mix their intrigues & influence with the Election.

Limited as the powers of the Executive are, it will be an object of great moment with the great rival powers of Europe who have American possessions, to have at the head of our Governmt a man attached to their respective politics and interests.

No pains, nor perhaps experience, will be spared to gain from the Legislature an appointmt favorable to their wishes.

Germany & Poland are witnesses of this danger.

In the former, the election of the Head of Empire, till it became in a manner hereditary, interested all Europe, and was much influenced by foreign interference.

In the latter, altho’ the elected Magistrate has very little real power, his election has at all times produced the most eager interference of foreign princes, and has at length slid entirely into foreign hands.(9)

Several other delegates reinforced Madison’s point.

Pierce Butler said “The two great evils to be avoided are cabal at home, & influence from abroad.

It would be difficult to avoid either if the Election be made by the Natl Legislature.”

(10) According to Madison, Hugh Williamson “was sensible that strong objections lay agst an election of the Executive by the Legislature, and that it opened a door for foreign influence.”

(11) There is a striking similarity between the words in Jay’s letter and in these statements at the Convention.

Jay is concerned about “the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government.” Madison worries that foreign powers will attempt “to have at the head of our Governmt a man attached to their respective politics and interests.”

Apparently, however, this timing was nothing more than coincidence. In fact, Jay was in New York when he wrote the letter, engaged in other duties, and “he was still in the dark about the direction toward which that body was moving.”(12) Moreover, the letter was undoubtedly not delivered to Washington until days, if not weeks, after July 25.

In addition, Madison, backed up by Butler and Williamson, appears to be addressing a different issue than is Jay. After all, Madison’s comments focus on the method for electing the President, whereas Jay is concerned about the President’s, or at least the commander-in-chief’s, qualifications.

In fact, however, these two issues are inextricably linked in the Convention debate.

The Founding Fathers were very concerned about foreign influence and went to great lengths to design a government that would be insulated from it.

At first, they focused on finding a mechanism for electing the President that would minimize foreign influence.

Indeed, even though the issue of Presidential qualifications was raised, as we will see, on July 26, the Convention did not turn to that issue in earnest until almost a month later, and it did not restrict eligibility to “natural born citizens” until it had dropped the idea that the Legislature should elect the President.

In other words, the Convention regarded Presidential qualifications as a secondary tool for limiting foreign influence, and the delegates put off the debate on this secondary tool until it had succeeded in designing a method for electing the President that could not be manipulated by foreign powers.

The next day, July 26, 1787, the Constitutional Convention returned to the issue of foreign influence on the Executive.

Specifically, on that day George Mason moved “That the Committee of Detail be instructed to receive a clause requiring certain qualifications of landed property and citizenship of the United States in members of the legislature....”(13)

Because, at that point in the Convention, the Legislature was still expected to elect the President, this motion can be seen as a way to limit foreign influence on the Executive.

At this point, Charles Pinckney and Charles Cotesworth Pinckney “moved to insert by way of amendmt the words Judiciary & Executive so as to extend the qualifications to those departments which was agreed to nem. con.”

(14) This is the first mention of presidential qualifications at the Convention.

It appears almost as an aside. Along with an amendment to strike out the word “landed,” it was incorporated into Mason’s motion and passed by the Convention.

However, several comments during the debate reveal that the issue of legislative and presidential qualifications was far from settled.

Right after the original Mason motion, Gouverneur Morris stated that

“If qualifications are proper, he wd prefer them to be in the electors rather than the elected.”(15) This comment is directed toward qualifications for members of the Legislature, but it also suggests that Morris and other delegates might have been more concerned about the qualifications of the people electing the President than about the qualifications of the President.

Moreover, right after the Pickney and Pickney amendment was accepted, John Dickinson stated that he “was agst any recital of qualifications in the Constitution.”

(16) In any case, the Convention then referred its recent proceeding to the Committee on Detail, which consisted of Delegates Rutledge, Randolph, Gorham, Ellsworth, and Wilson. This committee was specifically instructed “to receive a clause or clauses requiring certain qualifications of property and citizenship in the United States, for the executive, the judiciary, and the members of both branches of the legislature of the United States.”(17)

The Committee on Detail’s first report was presented to the Convention on August 6. It included qualifications for members of the Legislature (three years of U.S. citizenship for the House of Representatives and four years of citizenship for the Senate) but did not mention qualifications for the Executive, who was, in that report, still elected by the Legislature.

(18) This report also proposed that:

“The Legislature of the United States shall have the authority to establish such uniform qualifications of the members of each House, with regard to property, as to the said Legislature shall deem expedient.”

(19) There followed a long debate on the propriety of a legislature determining the qualifications of its members, the appropriateness of an requirement based on land or wealth, and the number of years of citizenship required for each house.

Before the debate was over, the Convention decided not to let the Legislature determine the qualifications of its members, rejected land or wealth qualifications, and raised the citizenship requirement to seven years for House members and to nine years for Senators.(20)

The Convention returned to these issues on August 13.

The session began with a motion, by James Wilson and Edmund J. Randolph, to cut the citizenship requirement for House members back to four years.

Then Elbridge Gerry stated his concerns about the role of foreigners. One historian thinks that Gerry’s concerns were stimulated by John Jay’s letter, which by that time had surely arrived in Philadelphia.(21) In any case,

Mr. Gerry wished that in future the eligibility might be confined to Natives.

Foreign powers would intermeddle in our affairs, and spare no expense to influence them.

Persons having foreign attachments will be sent among us & insinuated into our councils in order to be made instruments for their purposes.

Every one knows the vast sums laid out in Europe for secret services. He was not singular in these ideas. A great many of the most influential men in Massts reasoned in the same manner.(22)

Rest continues here, with footnotes (which footnote #’s of mine above are in the wrong spots .. ;)

http://faculty.maxwell.syr.edu/jyinger/Citizenship/history.htm


8,995 posted on 04/24/2010 12:40:08 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

Wow, where hasn’t this man travelled? I tell you for such a poor soul growing up, I just can’t imagine how he came into so much money. I want a vacation!

:)


8,996 posted on 04/24/2010 1:18:51 PM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: David

8,997 posted on 05/10/2010 3:19:06 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: David

8,998 posted on 05/10/2010 2:09:36 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: onyx; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...
FYI .. picture I'd not seen before .. from THIS photo link to an article about Stanley Dunham's WWII experiences


8,999 posted on 05/13/2010 3:39:27 PM PDT by STARWISE (Thhttp://www.e overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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Not a happy looking little girl.


9,000 posted on 05/13/2010 3:44:14 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Just another loony nationalistic egotist.)
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