I thought I would share with you guys my latest award. I gladly accept it with pride and would like to make a speech!
This brilliant Obot has decided to take their racism and sexism out in the open. It decided to create a contest aimed at making ‘women’ birthers seem crazy. Big surprise, huh?
We have all seen these sexist attacks carried out against, Hillary Clinton, Cynthia McKinney and Sarah Palin, by the Oboto Brigade, but now it’s my turn and I’d like to revel in exposing them.
First, let’s take a look at the prize for their little contest: ‘Batshirt Award’ (BTW, I am supposed to be upset I won–shhh…don’t tell them I love this opportunity to expose the sexism)
Notice the obvious female figure they decided to present? This is no ‘accident,’ it’s that all familiar desperate derangement that Obots get when a woman challenges their tiny brains. And it’s the same date-rapist mentality that too many rabid Obots seem to have developed in the last two years.
This sexist, racist Obot blogger also opened the nominations for the next ‘birther’ to win this awesome and oh-so-clever prize: “Announcing: And so now I am opening nominations for the next Batshirt award. Please comment following on the craziest Batshirt birther antics for next week’s award.”
To which, the first sexist obot replies–falling into the trap: “I would like to nominate: Orly Taitz’s frivolous appeal to the sanctions she received for filing a frivolous lawsuit in Rhodes v. MacDonald.”
The sexist Obot that owns the blog also adds this about me: “I don’t know where she got the idea that Stanley Ann Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis were cousins (at least no closer than Barack Obama and Dick Cheney), but she must think that all people of color look alike from her photo collection of Barack Obama and Hawaiian royalty.”
Now this does sicken me on many levels. But it should be exposed. All their classless, tacky, discrimination meant to oppress minorities and women should be exposed. This sexist racist Obot has done some sleight of hand here. Not only does it dare ‘feign offense on behalf of minorities’ cloaking itself in inflammatory and phony cries of racism, but it completely ignored the photos I presented of Charles Reed Bishop, Madelyn Payne Dunham and Stanley Ann Dunham. (unless, of course, this Obot believes these three individuals are “people of color.”)
Which reminds me, why can’t this Obot be bothered to politely call Native Hawaiians by their real identities? Obama has presented a COLB that says he is African American. Why not call him that? Why did they lump these people into one empty label? I suspect racism is behind that.
But more importantly, I am a progressive liberal and I find it highly offensive and hypocritical that an Obot would dare speak on my behalf and pretend to know who I am when IT voted for a man who lied about ending the wars in the Middle East, so that he could win an election. He lied to beat three women that were brave enough to compete. He cheated on this fact alone.
The open hate towards women, the way they USE minorities to suit their purposes–it’s out of control. Obots use people that they target as vulnerable and ‘incapable of having a voice’ and they ’speak for them.’ They use them as human shields to deflect criticism and don’t seem to consider the consequences, anyone’s feelings or the overall health of the nation.
People are growing so tired of this divisive Obama BULLSHIT. Seriously.
I found common ground with people on the right and that’s more peace than these Obots will ever know. They are busy isolating themselves from half the country trying to marginalize others. It won’t work in the end–they will be marginalized. No one will follow their plastic Jesus to the end.
Anyway, this Obot made no attempt to ask me why I am investigating–they just decided it was racist. They decided that exploiting the pain of minorities and their very REAL experience with racism and hate was the better course of action than simply asking me: “why the photos?” or “why investigate this?”
I didn’t mind pointing that out to one SEXIST OBOT:
ME: “BTW, you obots need to stop ’speaking for minorities’ and pretending to ‘take offense’ for them. Talk about racist and belittling.”
But, what I am left with are the same questions I have had since the primaries: Obots know that Obama lied (was lying) to them about ending the wars in the Middle East to get elected why did they let Obama exploit the victims of those wars and why do they still let him exploit them? It’s better I share my views on the Obot-haters with you guys so you know up front, I will confront low and disgusting sexist, racist attacks. And I shared it with them of course, too:
“What’s so amazing is that you racist pigs obviously actually voted for the racist pig in office. You voted for a man who exploited at least a million dead Middle Eastern babies, children, mothers and fathers so that he could win the primary and the general election. YOU are the neocons now.
Right now, you could devote a website to holding Obama’s feet to the flames on his promises to end the genocidal wars in the Middle East. But, instead, you hate Muslims and Middle Easterners so much, you would rather protect the murderer in the White House from scrutiny than speak on their behalf. It’s actually sick and tragic. You USED these poor people.
Well, I will speak on their behalf. Tell your murderous, monstrous President to get the h*ll out of their countries. Tell him you are SICK AND TIRED of the exploitation and this isn’t what you voted for.
But you won’t because you love fat, greedy democrats more than any sweet middle eastern child maimed or killed in YOUR genocidal war. This blood is on YOUR hands. It’s not on my hands–try as you might to twist my effort to stop these wars into another chance to exploit and race-bait.
You sickos wrap yourselves in race-baiting and exploit the men and women enslaved in this country all for grotesque political favor. You exploit those who have suffered from racism and hate crimes so that your ‘guy’ does better in the polls.
I, however, did not vote for the Monster George W. Bush nor Barack H. Obama. I am a progressive, liberal, feminist and I protested these sick wars. I continue to protest the illegal wars.
I stand against violence, against discrimination and against those illegal, genocidal wars.
You, on the other hand, can’t even be bothered to speak out against the wars your president claimed he would end. Instead you exploit the dead SOME MORE most likely because you have no respect for those who don’t look like you or worship like you.
As an atheist, I honor everyone’s right to choose their own religion.
It’s true, I have held up a photo or three of myself to my little one at home always bragging how much he looks like me. Now that I realize that’s racist–I will be more considerate.
But in your rush to race-bait and look like a total hypocritical jerk, you forgot to mention what I am really looking at:
E. Bernice Bishop Dunham’s name in this will:
http://www.ksbe.edu/pauahi/will.php
AND Obama’s own two statements talking about a POSSIBLE connection in ‘Dreams’ and here:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Feb/10/ln/FP702100346.html
“Tourists at the beach would sometimes assume Obama was Hawaiian, and his grandfather “would come up beside them and whisper, with appropriate reverence, that I was the great-grandson of King Kamehameha,” Obama recalled.”
That’s all. I don’t care how you twist it to exploit others. You better have all your facts straight and your backyard better be SPOTLESS. It’s not. You support war, I look at photos. I can tell you WHICH is WORSE.
If your Monster-in-Chief were transparent at all and wasn’t such a filthy liar, I wouldn’t have to investigate his story. I hung on to Al Gore until 2004, John Kerry and Ohio until 2006. I will NOT BE BULLIED into letting go of this.
Thanks for showing what an ugly and exploitative racist you are. The world will do well when someone stops the racist in the White House and his Racist, exploitative MINIONS.”
I have to admit, this is really how I feel and I am glad to call these pigs on their hypocrisy. I know there are plenty of conservatives that didn’t intend to vote for these wars when they first cast their votes in 2000 and I know there are many variables that contributed to the conservative votes in 2004–I don’t pretend to understand nor do I judge anyone on that. I voted for the spineless John Kerry for crying out loud.=) I know that most conservatives have questions and concerns about these wars. Understand, this is all new to the Obots. They don’t get that they are being used.
I am not here to argue about the war–I am just to stating what most of my readers already know or suspect about me–I am a liberal through and through. But, I am not a democrat–I have more pride than that.
How dare they stand and judge anyone as racist? I hope you will all call them out for their sexism and their racism every chance you get.
[UPDATE: I don't have a problem telling people where I come from on women's issues. I have freely discussed the matter that when I was fifteen; I was kidnapped, raped and the perpetrator tried to hang me from a tree. Not that long ago, my teenage daughter and her friend found themselves in a situation where five thugs sexually assaulted them in an abandoned apartment.
I am very in tune with behavior meant to degrade women. I will fight back with exactly the same treatment. It's been my experience that unless a chauvinist pig knows how it feels to be taken down in a degrading and humiliating way--they simply ignore the plight of girls, women and young boys in this country and globally. They turn their smug elitist noses up because they have no idea what it feels like to be oppressed. It's pathetic that Obots choose to ignore the pain women have had to endure since the beginning of time.
Obots are the first to degrade women in the context of a political discussion. They ridicule, belittle and humiliate with their sexism and hate. They don't want women to have voices. If I didn't speak--THEN they would win.
If I didn't speak out and against them, they would put words in my mouth and distort my positions to further their political causes at my expense and at the expense of all women. They are ruthless pigs.
I don't know what Obots want me to do with this anger, but if they aren't pleased with being called out publicly--then they need to simply stop the offensive behavior and refuse to take part. For their daughters', sisters' and mothers' sakes--they need to stop.]
“A grownup is a child with layers on.”
You should re-send the same request with the addition of the UIPA possible answers. Since you did not ask this question before, she either has you confused with someone else or your question actually IS the same as one you asked previously without you knowing it. I was going to say that the proof he offered was the same for both date and place of birth, but she is saying they have no records.
MT: I already asked to clarify if the records were protected by state law…and a couple of other ways. Let’s see if she answers those first. Please send her a UIPA request yourself on this! We are getting closer.]
Re: “This request was already received a response.”
That’s definitely NOT one of the “prescribed” responses from the DoH. Are you going to appeal it to the HOIP?
Re: BO’s actual birth date.
Hopefully we’ll find out someday, but a 1959 date would not surprise me. It seems reasonable that post state-hood, SAD decided to apply for a B/C with a date made up to ensure citizenship. That “filing” could have triggered the newspaper birth announcement. Oddly, BHO’s Myspace page says he’s 52, but they are prone to gamesmanship.
There’s definitely something up with this response. I have asked for clarification first, then I will appeal.
If the records did not exist, they would tell me so like on the other two answers…=)
Wow. I suspect he changed his date of birth now. Wow.
The facts are leading me…=)
I wonder if Okubo responded to someone else’s request or she thinks you were asking for the amended certificate, which they’ve admitted exists.
I was clear on what I asked. Since I have requested ALL of his vital records in the past–my understanding is that her answer was referencing that. They denied by citing §HRS338-18.
What’s important is what she meant for me, personally, to understand because she said she already responded to it. See?
I sent it to the OIP for clarification, too!
“To OIP:
I cannot decipher the response I got from the Hawaii DoH. I don’t have any previous response to this particular request to look to in order to understand what she is saying. Are the records protected by state law?
Can you help or give me a proper ruling on appeal?
Thanks!”
Dear Miss Tickly:
There have been many requests for information. Could you list these in a simple manner and give the DOH response. Update showing entire list periodically would be very helpful for we that are very interested but do not visit your site every day.
Example:
1. Birth date on amended record. Do not have.
2. Birth date on birth certificate. Denied Access.
Such a listing would help us keep it all straight as to what has transpired. T
Thanks, Truth
[MT: This is a good idea, I will look into it. However I hesitate to interpret all their responses--I could miss something. I will look into posting a list referencing their answers so I don't confuse anyone or make us miss out on something.]
It rather makes you want to find out where exactly the Dunhams were in 1958-1959, doesn’t it?
Something is up. Yes.
Does anyone know for certain when SAD was born. I know there were some college records for her but if what is being thought about here is true then she would have been only 16 when Obama was born OR she would have been born earlier than we think she was.
Here is what we know about Stanley Ann Dunham, biological mother of Barack Obama. Her father decided to move to Hawaii when she graduated from high school. She did now want to leave Washington and the Seattle area to go to Hawaii. She was a good student and a teen-aged version of a brainy, rebellious type.
Moved to Hawaii the summer after graduating from high school, began college in Hawaii where she also got involved in early 60’s political stuff and had as “mentor” a black politician/poet/Black Panther to whom Barack Obama, Jr. dedicated one of his books.
Dunham became pregnant, supposedly, by Barack Obama, Sr. and moved back to Washington state (Mercer Island) when the baby, Barack, Jr., was 15 days old.
In the earlier days of Barack’s national rise, researchers found a birth certificate on file for a Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. born in CANADA (in the Western portion, I believe, in Vancouver) on the same date Obama claims as his birth date.
I always found that curious AND not totally unlikely as his mother could have tried to protect him from the military draft in later years by giving him Canadian citizenship…after all he was born during the time when thousands of U.S. male citizens were moving to Canada to avoid the draft and Vietnam. It would have been very reasonable for her friends to suggest she do the same in case her baby was born male.
ALSO, it would have been an anti-American statement. And she was definitely anti-American, by politics, social peer group, orientation, cultural interests and academic pursuits.
We don’t know if she was married to Obama, Sr. or, assuming she was, HOW she came to be divorced in Boston…on a WEEKEND, with only her son present to deliver papers, without her present, while Obama, Jr. was a Harvard Law student,with no court fees assigned or paid.
We do know she married an Indonesian. We do know her son lived with the couple in Indonesia and carried his mother’s husband’s last name. We suspect, as Michele Obama later admitted as truth, that the husband adopted Obama.
We also know that Obama’s purported biological father was a citizen of Kenya at the time of Obama’s birth.
We know Obama claimed that he was a dual-citizen at the time of his birth.
We know that, in order to attend the school that he did while living in Indonesia, he had to be adopted by his stepfather under Indonesian law. (And his stepfather was a quasi-governmental employee, working as liaison between the government and the oil industry.)
We ALSO know that, in order to confirm or reconfirm Obama, Jr.s, U.S. citizenship, a biological parent, or legally-appoined guardian, had to file specific documents thereto and swear his allegiance to the U.S. and desire to be a U.S. citizen.
We know that no one has ever found evidence of any such activity by his blithe-spirit mother. This is not surprising as, again, his mother was a product of her culture and time and this was the anti-American, the-hell-with-the-government 1960s era and the post-60s ennui.
We also know that she essentially got to college, got pregnant almost upon arrival there, and had a child at age 18.
I think people underestimate the youth and perhaps essential flakiness of this young girl and the many steps that a more mature parent might take for the child’s future that I’m sure she didn’t.
And then, in later years when her son found he had burning ambitions not coincident with certain facts about his life, he started the massive clean-up, spurred on by his own wife’s more burning ambition.
Just about ANYthing is true of this guy…some not even his fault, just the downside of having a flake for a mom and unusual circumstances of his arrival on the planet.
Nonetheless, we should be able to undue any of the illegal cleanup and find out the honest truth about him and whether he’s lied for purposes of obtaining educational financial aid, for purposed of obtaining U.S. passport(s) and for far more nefarious self-enrichment…like claiming to be eligible to serve as president of our country.
As always, the ugliest of deeds occurs from the attempt to cover-up and, with this president, we’re losing the very Constitution that we live here under!
MT isn’t the answer to your question as to birthplace more relavent?
“I request an electronic copy of the proof offered to establish/verify ‘Birth Place,’ as required, for an amendment to be made to President Obama’s birth certificate….
“The Department of Health has no records responsive to this UIPA request.”
You asked DOH to provide you with the back-up documentation in order to support a change to the birth location as contained in a request to amend to original BC? Since there are no records can you conclude that the amendment was not to change birth location? Does this necessarily establish his birthplace as Hawaii?
In my head, I’m wondering if Obama was really Stanley Anne’s illegitimate half brother, later adopted by the Dunhams.
Sorry, that question sounded a little abrupt. Just trying to rule out a couple of things and I have a hard time with the terminology. I want to make sure I uderstand the response to your question. Sorry MT if I sounded rude.
MissT
This request was already received a response is gibberish – It means nothing. Does she mean “has” instead of “was”?? But that would be second guessing her response. It’s up to her to make her response clear enough to be understood. I would send it back for clarification. It means NOTHING.
ELmo
[MT: It means nothing to you. But, I have made many requests always being denied due to state law. If she meant for ME to understand it, that's how I understand it. However, with the typo and vagueness, it appears too confusing to definitively understand. Of course I asked for clarification. Please do your part and send in UIPA requests for these records.]
Yes, it’s very important. That’s why I put it in the Ruled out section. Her date of birth answer was a total surprise to me.
You did not sound rude. I just want to get all the relevant info out there.=)
Yes, all three answers are important today.
I will be writing UIPA requests like these to Onaka, to make sure the Registrar has the same answers as the DoH.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/22/AR2008082201679.html?sid=ST2008082201770
This has a lot of information about SAD and her whereabouts starting in about 9th grade
Maybe the request to amend birthplace was made but no proof was offered and that’s why it says “Filed by registrar”.
Maybe the age on his myspace page really is correct, which shows him at 52. Interesting…
[MT: It is interesting,eh? I thought about the same thing.]
Thanks Andy–I am anxiously awaiting a clarification from the OIP or DoH.
Please send the same request from your own email address. I hope others are pitching in!
Could be…I am just posting what I find. You guys draw your own conclusions…
“This request was already received a response.”
I know typos happen to the best of us, but is anybody in that office capable of sending even one communication using standard English?
“This request was already received a response.”
As just a statement, it makes no sense. She may have meant to write “has” rather than “was,” but it’s hard to imagine that as a simple typo because “h” is not all that close to “w” on a keyboard.
I think she may have started to write something else and changed her mind. Or, once again, intentionally wrote something nonsensical.
[MT: I asked for clarification from her and the OIP. I believe someone will clarify but want others to ask the same questions...]
Miss Tickly
Andy
why is that article with such huge detail dated Aug 2008? If papers were really pumping out such detail rich info back then, we wouldn’t have had to be inching our way along right now….
also I question has anyone requested specific items like this in WA, being she lived there thru graduation from HS in 1960?
also TheObamaFile has a bunch of info on his mom and happenings too.
Odd. Almost like she wanted it to be confusing.=) I asked the OIP to send me clarification if she won’t.=) That answer just sticks out when compared to the other two, eh?
Natural-born on an American territory?
Has anybody seen SAD’s birth certificate?
After reading this a second time, my guess is that she’s indirectly saying that your request was fulfilled by the second Fukino statement or an earlier e-mail correspondence, perhaps the other two requests you sent today.
Also, instead of requesting a supplemental birth certificate, maybe you should have requested supplementary birth documentation?
Somewhere there was a picture of Obama’s younger half-brother, a child of Barack Sr.’s white wife after SAD. I think her name was Ruth. Anyway, Obama looks like her perhaps more than SAD. The birth announcement in the newspaper said he was born to Mr. and Mrs. Obama, with no indication that SAD was in fact Mrs. Obama. Maybe Ruth or another woman was the natural mother and Obama was ‘adopted’ by SAD sometime after the baby was born. It would explain why she was clueless on how to change his diapers when she visited her friend in Washington state.
…HOW she came to be divorced in Boston…on a WEEKEND, with only her son present to deliver papers, without her present, while Obama, Jr. was a Harvard Law student,with no court fees assigned or paid.”
???
Stanley Ann filed for divorce in Hawaii in Jan 1964. The divorce was final in March 1964. The divorce papers are available on Internet. BHO’s birth date in the divorce papers is listed as August 4, 1961.
[MT: it's all very FISHY.]
This gal also can’t read apparently. MT asked for directions on where to find what she’s looking for if it had already been made public.
She’s either very stupid, very flustered, or is trying to buy time or obfuscate.
If you wanted to have some fun with Okubo, you could request her COLB under the UIPA act, since she used it as a reference for verifying Obama’s COLB. She said his looked just like hers, so she presumed his was legit (this was in June 2008).
I emailed Janice Okubo yesterday Oct 7, 2009
I got a quick answer from her. I used almost the exact wording Leo Donofrio used and stated it was UIPA Request #1
I believe my answer is different from yours. It is more misdirection.
If you want to see the original email I can email it to you to compare with your answer.
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009 4:37 AM
From: Janice Okubo
To: (email not disclosed)
Subject: RE: UIPA Request #1 From (Name not disclosed)
Size: 13 KB
Aloha Mr. (),
I am not sure I understand your request. If you are requesting vital records or records of births, deaths or marriages in the State of Hawaii, those records are protected under HRS 338-18 and therefore the UIPA does not apply to them.
Janice Okubo
Also, in answer to a question posted later in this thread about the family’s whereabouts in 1959:
See link for a picture of Stanley Dunham with Barack Obama, Sr in Hawaii in 1959. Stanley Ann did not graduate in Washington until 1960.
Also, see posts #294-394 for possible placement of Stanley Ann in Chicago for the summer of 1960.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2278969/posts?page=92#92
Very interesting! A follow-up query to clearly establish when the “amendment” to date of birth was requested could clarify things better. Maybe I’ve got this wrong but could the reference in the COLB of “Date filed by registrar” on “August 8, 1961″ be referring to this amendment? Perhaps…
“I request an electronic copy of the proof offered and/or filed on 8 August 1961 to establish/verify ‘Date of Birth’ as required, for an amendment to be made to President Obama’s birth certificate”
Beyond baffled is right that any confirmation that there was no requested amendment to birth location is just as interesting. Again it would probably be best to repeat the query for all other specific fields on the COLB to see if anything else may have been amended, taking each individually, including City, Island, County, Fathers & Mother’s Race and Name.
I have asked for clarification and a ‘notice to requester’ form as well.
I do not disagree that all THREE answers are interesting. If he changed a date that was too early–how would the DoH have a birth record for a man that wasn’t born yet?
You see? We MUST follow up on this one!
Hi. Worldnetdaily has the screenshot of the video interview of Stanley’s girlfriend, Susan Blake, in Seattle who showed SAD how to change a daiper. That was in early Aug 61. They also have testimony from the teenage babysitter and also the details of the apartment she rented in seattle. WND also has her college transcripts.
Here’s the link
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107889
However, some claim that newborns before 6 weeks could not fly in 1961, leading to the speculation that he was born in Canada.
However, he has claimed Obama Sr. as his father, so that makes him a British subject. period.
no
[MT: I don't know why this got caught up in moderation?=) I mean, I know it's hard to make any sense of all this blather--but I don't think I see anything out of line...Let me reread it a few times...
...Nope. still don't see anything.
I'll run it through the SPAM filter one more time to make sure I didn't miss anything Cross your fingers that it goes through!=-P]
I thought it sounded odd that the non-binding resolution mentioned the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood and also mentioned that Obama was born there on August 4, 1961. Why give the date he was born?
I think that too. Like a reverse Jack Nicholson.
No wonder she couldn’t be bothered.
Along the avoiding the draft lines- what if Barry was born in 61- but got into legal trouble with the drugs he was doing- and mommy dearest changed the date to make him a minor.
MT, also back last year on FR, I have a reference where several are talking about BO. I may still have the link. Someone was saying that there was an African Journal stating that BO was born on July 18th. I know, it’s crazy. I’ll see if I still have that.
This is what someone said:
“To: x
You may very well be write.
However, it was from 2004 and perhaps a forgotten article and I believe someone took a screenshot of the article last Spring and it contained the birthdate of july 18th at the end of the article.
That is why the Obama line about recalling the time of his birth at 7:24 rings like a planted seed to rhymne with the time on a later manufactured COLB.
2,141 posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:08:44 PM by Gemsbok (Follow the trail,…,.,.,.,….. I know where it leads)”
link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2132471/posts?q=1&;page=2101
There’s another place they were talking about it, but I’ll have to find it.
[MT: Thanks...
All of this kind of thing that was glossed over then is relevant now--let's get more like this. Thanks again!]
I think Obama looks just like Stanley Ann’s father. But he also does resemble one of Obama senior’s other sons. Hard to tell by looks. I remember being clueless about changing babies when I had my first one too.
The change of date of birth does not jive with anything else. Very curious.
I guess that I didn’t save the other link. Darn. It was also from FR and mentioned an African Journal. Heck, I had so many things saved, but in the meantime, I’ve gotten rid of stuff.
Still the myspace age is very interesting.
You reminded me of something that was posted where Obama thought he was born at a different time of day than the time listed on the COLB. I think it was an astrology site that was trying to see how the stars would affect his election chances. That seemed odd. Might have too look for it. A lot of the birth details suddenly changed after the COLB appeared.
That’s the problem, it’s all very interesting and I can’t help but have been sucked in to this mystery!=)
oh, MT, what about the LDS genealogy listing the marriage for Stanley Ann Dunham and BO, Sr. as being married in 1960?
Parents
Father: Stanley Armour Dunham Disc #141 Pin #4772674
Mother: Living
Marriage(s)
Spouse: Barack Obama Disc #141 Pin #4767867
Marriage: 1960
, , Hawaii, USA
Spouse: Lolo Soetoro Disc #141 Pin #4773777
Marriage:
, , Hawaii, USA
We’ve been told that they were married in Feb. 1961, right? But this place lists them being married in 1960. Of course, they may have it wrong, but how do we even know?
For anyone interested in having a one stop shopping spot for what has been said about BHO’s life check out this site:
http://www.colony14.net/id41.html
The links for all the references can be found here:
http://www.colony14.net/id136.html
It covers the timeframe 1961-1966. The main page has the link for the later years. Interesting read but only a compilation of what has been reported/rumored.
One of the references that I found somewhat interesting was #564 found at this link:
http://thirdestatesundayreview.blogspot.com/2008/06/christ-child-is-born.html
This blog has apparently conducted some interviews (????) but makes it clear that they have no idea what the truth is. Join the club.
And if you go into LDS genealogy to search, key in Stanley Ann, then Dunham as the last name. On the years, choose 1960 plus or minus two years. I did this once to see what I pulled up playing around with the years.
O.K. I just checked his facebook page. When it first came out, it DID NOT have August 4, it was August and I want to say the 8th. I remember because I was posting over a Jonathan Turley’s blog and was talking about how Helen Thomas questioned Gibbs about habeus corpus and she said the president should no better he taught constitutional law, Gibbs replied, you are incorrect on that he taught constitutional law. Then I told them they can’t even get his birthdate right on his face book page. Which I got it’s a typo and Gibbs doesn’t know he didn’t go to Harvard.
Hey MT! This gal is playing a lot of games here and I think it is totally inappropriate and outside the spirit and rule of the law.
Why not just write to UIPA – as a group – and tell them you want all the index data supporting the COLB and the two statements made by the nut case on Obama’s natural born citizen status – including any documentation between White House staff, Hawaii State staff and Hawaii’s AG. It’s not right and there is no sense in the State of Hawaii forcing you to go to a judge to get what is coming to you under the law.
Tell them you are all asking and getting different answers to the same questions and that you are sure she is overwhelmed. Also, she does not seem to handle English so well becasue there are so many typos and misdirections in the words she choses which causes confusion and follow up requests. Tell them to just do it right and do it now and quit trying to drag it all out because they are not fulfilling the spirit nor the letter of the open records laws of Hawaii.
Sara
ksdb,
Supposedly, Obama himself told a famous Astrologer, Frances McEvoy that he was born at 1:06 pm while campaigning in New Hampshire. She has passed away, but was well respected and a stickler for detail.
There was another astrologer that claimed he was born at 7:11pm, info she supposedly got from campaign staff.
His MySpace page that looks to be the “official” one says he’s 52 years old. Here’s the link http://www.myspace.com/barackobama So that would make him born in 1957, not 1961 like he alledges. So I think another UIPA request should be made regarding this year maybe??? Worth a try…
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009 4:37 AM
From: Janice Okubo
To: (email not disclosed)
Subject: RE: UIPA Request #1 From (Name not disclosed)
Size: 13 KB
Aloha Mr. (),
I am not sure I understand your request. If you are requesting vital records or records of births, deaths or marriages in the State of Hawaii, those records are protected under HRS 338-18 and therefore the UIPA does not apply to them.
Janice Okubo
……………………………………………………………………………..
How could she not understand my request? “I requested a copy of the record (or records) which contributed to the decision of the Hawaii Department of Health (hereinafter DoH) to have indicated that President Obama’s birth had been filed by the DoH registrar on August 8, 1961.” It is obvious I am not requesting actual “records of births, deaths, or marriages. I didn’t mention deaths or marriages. She stated “vital records” are protected under HRS 338-18. I didn’t request a copy of obama’s birth certificate. I requested records of how Okubo came to the decision obama was born on Aug 8, 1961. She has parsed my words and twisted the clear meaning. Okubo is telling me any record that contributed to her decision to publish her indication obama was born on Aug 8, 1961 are “vital” and off limits. A lie.
[MT: It could be that the Vital Statistics Registrar 'Rec'd' stamp on the original birth certificate is what you are asking about. That's how I understand it to work.]
MT
did you see this comment on Leo’s blog? Seems he is looking for clarification regarding his request #5 for info on documents used to verify the filing on Aug 8, 1961.
Very similar to your Date of birth request that your are seeking clarification on?
seems the beans are about to spill between your questions and his- this is great- thanks for all your efforts.
I cropped the whole comment and just posted Leo’s edit part
RJJohnson Says:
October 8, 2009 at 12:44 PM
……..[ed. see my UIPA request #5. The DoH has responded and I have requested clarification. Their response appears to be that they do not have any records to prove that his birth was filed by the registrar on August 8, 1961.]……
“It rather makes you want to find out where exactly the Dunhams were in 1958-1959, doesn’t it?”
Dunham family’s whereabouts in 1959:
See link for a picture of Stanley Dunham with Barack Obama, Sr in Hawaii in 1959. Stanley Ann did not graduate in Washington until 1960.
Also, see posts #294-394 for possible placement of Stanley Ann in Chicago for the summer of 1960.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2278969/posts?page=92#92
Yep.=) Let’s hope!
Do you have access or know where to find the Vancover BC?
[MT: Rense had that. It was a tiny picture. Also, it was the most authentic thing I had seen yet. AND the date is different!
http://www.rense.com/general82/pbb.htm
MissTickly,
This is so exciting. You’ve done so good at this. Let me tell you that those weird dates that I had saved, I kept speaking up about them and no one has thought anything. That July 18th date was something pointed out to me by someone at Ann Coulter’s blog forum where I used to post. She sent that link. Wish that I could find the other one.
There’s another weird age for him back when he was a senator. I’ll have to ask my friend if she still has the article. I think it was saying way back when he was a senator that he was 48. Oh, 2004 rings a bell.
Leo posted that he got a response to his UIPA Request #5. Here’s his comment:
“ed. see my UIPA request #5. The DoH has responded and I have requested clarification. Their response appears to be that they do not have any records to prove that his birth was filed by the registrar on August 8, 1961.”
I’m sure he’ll post more as he has it, but he was requesting the records they maintain which caused his birth to have been filed by the registrar on Aug 8, 1961. If they truly have no documents which caused it to be filed on Aug 8, 1961, then something is definitely screwy.
I have said this to the governor, the lt.governor, the DoH, the OIP, the press, my local police, lawyers….. I don’t know what more you want me to do.
Good job, keep looking!
Are you sure this is heading down the right path on the pre1961 birth? Corsi has done excellent work recreating SAD’s history. There is nothing that has been turned up of SAD having a child before she moved from WA as a teenager and before she graduated from high school.
The Corsi information related to the Washington timeline appears to be accurate. A former UW alumni who lives in town remembers SAD at UW with a child of proper age.
Also, what would be gained by changing the age (unless he was adopted and foreign born)? Certainly there were no aspirations of doing this to have a child be president.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=106942
http://colony14.net/id41.html
[I thought I answered this one for some reason so if this pops up twice...sorry. I am only telling you what Hawaii tells me. Yes, it seems he may have changed his date of birth. As to the details of that change--it's all speculation.]
And per a child being born prestatehood, citizenship would have conferred upon statehood. I am not sure what could be gained by this.
[MT: Natural Born citizenship happens AT BIRTH, not two years later.]
If they do not have any records to prove that his birth was filed by the registrar on August 8, 1961, then is the reference on the COLB to this date in respect of when the amendments (not the original birth) was filed?
[MT: Could be...let's see what clarification Leo gets...]
I forgot to thank you for the great work!
Sorry, I meant naturalized citizenship upon statehood.
If he had been born a few weeks earlier???
Again, thanks!
Remember this story?
Would place president’s birth during time Hawaii was a territory.
If President Obama were indeed born in Hawaii, was it while the islands were a territory of the United States?
A new wrinkle in the dispute over his birth – and whether he is eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution’s requirement that the president be a “natural born” citizen – appeared today when Obama’s official MySpace page declared his age is 52, thus placing his birth year at 1957 instead of 1961 as has been claimed.
That would mean he would have been born during the archipelago’s time as a territory of the U.S., the islands’ status from about 1900 until statehood in 1959.
The birth year also conflicts with campaign and other White House information that have discussed his 48th birthday this month.
Obama’s personal web page, BarackObama.com, has numerous links to related sites including Facebook and MySpace, confirming that MySpace.com/barackobama is the president’s page on MySpace.
Even when one puts the words “MySpace” and “Barack Obama” into search engines such as Google, the top result is the same page and indicates: “Official profile page for Barack Obama includes his blog, blurbs, news clips, videos and comments from his MySpace friends.”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107163
This is a sick sick perversion of justice. They have made an easter egg hunt out of this. If you can guess the correct color of the egg, they will then tell you if it exists or not and if you can have it or not. This is no way to run a transparent government.
The whole purpose of ‘index data’ is to facilitate finding things. ‘index data’ is not just a broad general category of data – “we have birth records for Obama”. It is very detailed and very precise. Each and every document or note that is put into Obama’s ‘file/record’ should have a corresponding index data item. That data must necessarily include the date, the name or purpose of the document or note, and a link to the actual document/note. Every administrative detail should be so indexed. Anytime anybody filed anything. Anytime a copy or abstract was requested and made, and the payment of fees. For most individuals there will be at least a few such items of index data. It might even be dozens.
Under the spirit of the UIPA request, one ought to be able to obtain the complete ‘computer listing’ of index data for, say, Barack Obama or Barry Soetoro. Once one has that list, one should then be able to ask for each one of the listed items individually. At that point in time is where you would then get one of the several required answers.
Anything less than that, or more complicated than that is a violation of the intent of the law. Relief ought to then be immediately sought from OIP, and if necessary, the courts.
[MT: He should just release all his vital records if he wants to cloak himself in 'transparency.']
Yes, this popped in my head too!
Take a look at the signature of that BC on Rense’s site. Does that say Dudley DoRight?
[MT: Yes. But was that a diversion?]
If obama is 52 as he stated on his myspace page then guess what?
Dunham and Obama were married on the Hawaiian island of Maui on February 2, 1961.
Dunham was three months pregnant at the time of her marriage.
If he is 52 she wasn’t pregnant with obama.
Obama is saying he was born in 1958? To whom? Where?
From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham
Obama’s Oct 8, 2009 Myspace Page
http://www.myspace.com/barackobama 52Yrs Old ?
One final thought. Remember that to be born on 14 Aug 1961 implies conception around 21 Nov 1960 assuming 38 weeks from conception to birth.
Per wiki, “While attending a Russian language class, Dunham met Barack Obama, Sr., the school’s first African student”. Her attaendance at Univ of Hawaii began in the “fall” of 1960. If the birth date is theoretically moved more then 3 months forward, that meeting looks very difficult to happen in time for the birth, so double checking what has just been Ms. Okubo is saying with her response is very important.
I found the article on a google search. It doesn’t surprise me that they were doing things like this. This is a typical MSM article designed to make the reader interested in/connected with the “journalist’s” candidate. They do it all of the time.
I’m wondering if the latest info Leo got means that at least the “date filed” part of his online COLB is forged, if not the whole thing. It does seem to me that if they’re saying they have no documents from August 10th or before then it calls into question whether the DOH could have submitted birth info to a newspaper for that week – which suggests either that the birth announcements were forged or else submitted by someone besides the DOH. I don’t see how this information could be true and the DOH still claim that Obama’s online COLB is an accurate presentation of what they’ve got on him.
I don’t remember the forgery analyses talking about the date filed portion being forged, but there could be motive to forge it, I suppose – to hide that the birth was registered later, based on just the word of the grandma – a filing which was still only “filed” because it had insufficient proof and that erroneously gave Hawaii as the birthplace.
In any event, I think it blows away the idea that this COLB (even before forgery) was based on a birth certificate created on Aug 8th after a record of birth was sent from a hospital to the DOH.
How an amendment of birth date fits, I’m not sure. The next days/weeks will definitely be interesting.
That is not real. See Lame Cherry’s last statement. It is snark.
“Post Script: One might note that Dudley Dooright signed Barack’s birth certificate, so we know this one is real too as it is posted online.”
the golden Easter hunt.
leo has just posted his suggestion that an interested party can file for “quo warranto” based on a “certified complaint”, wherein that interested party takes an Oath confirming the veracituy of the statement, namely the one statement that Barry has already confirmed. that he was born a British subject.That can be done under section 16-3503. http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/quo-warranto-for-interested-persons/
Lisa C. —- “I always found that curious AND not totally unlikely as his mother could have tried to protect him from the military draft in later years by giving him Canadian citizenship…after all he was born during the time when thousands of U.S. male citizens were moving to Canada to avoid the draft and Vietnam.”
I doubt this. He was born years before draft dodgers were heading to Canada because of Vietnam. In 1961 U.S. involvement in Vietnam was basicly was covert operation and not to many civilians were even aware of what was going on in Laos and Vietnam at that time.
If you move the birth month forward a few months from august has beed suggested before…
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html
Speaking of IF BO is a few years older, just hypothetically, does everyone remember the statement that someone wrote about knowing her in HI, that he had a picture of Ann Dunham on a beach in HI in July of 1961, and she didn’t appear to be pregnant? I have heard this for a long time, yet I have not been able to find the so-called picture. In July of ‘61, she should have been huge, right, that is, if BO was born on August 4th, 1961?
the Republicans supposedly had that picture of SAD on the beach. let’s face it, John McCain was involved in this conspiracy as well. He knew he wasn’t eligible either.
Just sent this request:
Dear Dr. Fukino,
Under the Uniform Information Practices Act of the State of Hawaii, “…the people are vested with the ultimate decision-making power. Government agencies exist to aid the people in the formation and conduct of public policy. Opening up the government processes to public scrutiny and participation is the only viable and reasonable method of protecting the public’s interest. Therefore the legislature declares that it is the policy of this State that the formation and conduct of public policy—the discussions, deliberations, decisions, and action of government agencies—shall be conducted as openly as possible’
I request an electronic copy of index data for file number 151 1961- 010641. According to Hawaiian statute 338-18(d), “Index data consisting of name, age, and sex of the registrant and date, type and file number of the vital event and such other data as the director may authorize may be made available to the public.”
So please include, at a minimum, the name, age and sex of the registrant and the date and type of the indexed event. If there is more than one index entry with this file number, please include only the first and earliest filed entry.
Thank you,
Andre Mendotto
[MT: Good job, thanks!]
All should review:
“The Congressional: Natural Born Citizen Part III: McCain & S. Res. 511 Were Meant To Sanitize Obama’s Ineligibility Be President”
at http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/
The conclusions reached there fit very nicely with the birth date issue you are discussing here.
John McCain is no patriot. This report is devastating.
http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/the-congressional-natural-born-citizen-part-iii-mccain-s-res-511-were-meant-to-sanitize-obamas-ineligibility-to-be-president/
How long do you think it will take to get a response?
[MT: I don't know. I am anxious, too.=)]
We both had the same thought William. I posted just prior to you at 9:21 pm.
Linda Melin’s report is disturbing. The coordinated corruption and high level manipulations exposed in her well researched report, illustrate the deep divide between honest hardworking US citizens and the morally bankrupt elite radicals who have taken over our country.
Oops, 9:41 pm.
Well, not sure how late the office is open out there. It is just after 4:00pm now so my guess is another hour tops. Can’t imagine them working past 5:00.
There’s not a date for when SAD married Lolo?? This is part of the Obama backstory that is full of holes. The official story says they married and moved to Indonesia when Obama was 6, but I found an older newspaper story (maybe from when Obama was still at Harvard) that said they married when Obama was 4. This is significant because it was old enough for him to get automatic Indonesian citizenship as a child AND U.S. law at the time, did not protect children’s citizenships from being lost through adoption. Obama’s backstory and citizenship issues are the Perfect Storm of every kind of confusion you can have.
Checkout the following site. Justin Riggs has received the Hawaii Certifications for 2000, 2004 and 2008. Guess what, they don’t match!! Something’s really fishy!
http://www.yourfellowcitizen.com
2000 and 2004 Democrat and Republican Party HI Certifications
I don’t have time to comment on this now, but I wanted to get them up for everyone to see…
There are obviously some things that need to be addressed. I’ll blog later tonight on what I see.
[MT: Thanks!]
I wonder how a top notch private eye or detective of many years would approach this matter. I know they have all sorts of sneaky tricks that are barely legal to uncover things. E.g. a young nurse in the maternity ward at the alleged hospital would surely remember the white mother and the black child!! She would be in her 70’s now. Perhaps a detective will volunteer. Does anyone have such a friend or acquaintance? However, so far the sleuthing done here is very fine.
I have a feeling that you would have to visit the vital records office on Punchbowl Street (love that) in order to see all the index data. When you send a request to spokesbabe Okubo, I’m sure she does the minimum of cutting and pasting from the database to fulfill any particular request.
[MT: I think you are right, but I am such a cynic, I won't believe anything unless I see it with my own two eyes...=)]
Former employees of the DOH Office of Health Status Monitoring could certainly describe the policies and procedures that were in use in the past.
William, you’re right but I was in college in 1961 (University of Michigan) and there were male classmates very worried about the draft at that time with articles in the university newspaper, the Michigan Daily, on advantages of being Canadian citizens vis-a-vis our draft policies.
Also, the Time article based on interviews with high-school friends of Stanley Ann Dunham quoted and named friends who reported her moving back to Mercer Island, as a college freshman, with her 15-day old son. So, assuming her roommates in the group home she moved into with the infant (one of whom said she “didn’t even know how to change a diaper” correctly yet) were telling the truth as fact-checked by Time, I thought it not impossible for her to have given birth to the baby in Canada and driven the short drive south to Seattle.
Many of her actions might make no sense to us but she was VERY young and, I think we can assume, her parents probably less than happy with pregnancy by a black man, thought to be already married by the way, which seems to be true. At least he had already had a family which he left in Kenya. As he left Stanley and her infant when he moved to Cambridge and left no known address.
I’ve always wondered what she would have done had safe birth control and abortion been readily available. I can’t imagine a 17-year old female being in a worse position than she must have been…with a baby by a man who didn’t want or him, with parents who must have been less than happy with this burden, financial and otherwise.
If you want to be reminded of the many lies that Obama has told and the reasons we doubt his veracity, read Andew McCarthy’s article online. There is no conspiracy formation, ranting, delusional or other hyperbolic rhetoric, just a dispassionate reminder of the convenient slippages in Obama’s words along the way.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmJhMzlmZWFhOTQ3YjUxMDE2YWY4ZDMzZjZlYTVmZmU=
Have any of you seen this book review of Dreams of My Father that was published Aug. 6th of ‘95 by the New York Times? http://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/06/books/review/06obama-dreams.html There are some interesting bits of info…
A slip of the tongue? Some months ago, Obama attended a conference in which Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua brought up the April 1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion. When asked about Ortega’s speech and reference to the Bay of Pigs Invasion, Obama said that he was only a few months old at the time. Huh? If Obama was a few months old in April 1961, then his DOB would be January 1961, and not August 1961. Furthermore, he would have been conceived before Ann Duhham moved to Hawaii from the Seattle area. Hmmmm ….
I would also pursue the death certificate of his mother and grandmother. It was interesting to me that he went to Hawaii when he did before the election and that neither his wife nor his children went to visit her before she passed away. This I found very odd. Michelle stated she talked to her via phone and how well she was doing, and then next we hear she died.
I wonder if an amendment to his BC was done during that time. BO’s actions in how he has refused to provide a valid BC show me he has a lot to hide. Why too does he use a SSN issued from Connecticut if he was born in HI?
Can any documents from school records be obtained? What about vaccination records with the DOH? Was his passport issued out of HI? Anyone that refused to provide medical records and only submit a letter from his present physician again proves this man is nothing but a liar!! No old medical records, no school records, no records from his Senate office. All federal employees must be able to pass an extensive background check. Joe Biden made a goof and mentioned at a dinner months ago how Dick Cheney left a copy of BO’s BC in his desk drawer when he occupied his office, of course media was sure to suppress that comment. Cheney did not ask for objections as required by the Constitution in January. The breach of passport information last year also confirms for me more cover up. The forms signed by and filed by Pelosi leaving out the requirements for POTUS according the Constitution proves cover up. Bill Richardson stated before the election to a group of Hispanics…BO is an “immigrant”.
So much to hide and so many things that do not add up. Time to expose the liar for what he truly is before he ruins this country.
Ms, tickly did you get a birth record number when Hawii confirmed that Obam was on the birth index?
If so, can you share that number if received?
Will you consider being interviewed on Patriots Heart Network Blog talk Radio to an audience that admires and respects your hard work and perserverance? Thank You!
[MT: No, I did not get a birth record number from Hawaii--not that I recall anyway...=)]
The world is going insane. The Nobel Peace Prize has just been awarded to Obama, who will assist in causing in the greatest war, killing the most people, the world has ever seen.
Keep fighting the good fight, TerriK. (I’m very disillusioned by it all…)[MT: me too....I am sorry it's so sickening.]
JustSaying
Remember who won last time? Al Gore. Methinks there is a fix in. Namely the British. Al Gore has been on the British Royalty’s pay list.
[MT: I have to admit, I like Al Gore. That's the liberal in me.
That said, Obama is sooooo NOT worthy. Let's stay focused on what a turd Obama is. I don't want partisan politics to get in the way of the task we are joining together to accomplish! I voted for Hillary and Sarah in 2008. We all know that both sides are beneath contempt at this point.=)]
Miss Tickly,
Your blog is great; I remember our exchanges at Leo’s blog in Aug.
The statement that there is no electronic record for proof of birth is the news here. The repetitions response could merely be that, regarding his birth day.
THE STATEMENT THAT THERE IS NO ELECTRONIC RECORD FOR PROOF OF BIRTH
means that it was an at-home birth filing, in my opinion, because such a filing is supported by an affadavit of only one parent or relative; and in such a case there needs to be corroboration of the statement as regards PLACE OF BIRTH, because they must eliminate the possibility that the child WAS NOT BORN IN HI.
The admission that they have no such record to prove the place of birth, means that proof was never submitted according to the proper policies and procedures, and that HI does not regard this as verified.
If this interpretation is correct, HI just admitted that their July statement about O being born in HI is false testimony, that is a testimony to facts not in evidence or provable by independent means
[MT: Thanks, I remember talking specifically with you and Robare on Leo's cite when I started planning my requests. However, just to be clear, they said there was no proof of birth place for an 'amendment' to be made--I didn't ask if there was proof of birth place for the originating information...]
Yes, Vrajavala, both Al Gore and Jimmy Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize. And, now, Obama. With those winners, it has no credibility. Sad.
.
[MT: This is disgusting. Beyond words.]
I’m not convinced that at home births were legal at that time. Even now, when there is an at-home birth, there must be a licensed midwife, who will submit the affidavit to the DOH.So, if the DOH THE STATEMENT THAT THERE IS NO ELECTRONIC RECORD FOR PROOF OF BIRTH,
I wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that it was an at home birth.
[MT: They said there was no proof of birth place for an 'amendment' to be made--I didn't ask if there was proof of birth place for the originating information...]
Sorry, but the idea that at-home births wouldn’t be legal in the 1960s (or at any time) is unreasonable. The native cultures of Hawaii were probably not too dependent on hospitals and midwives. Plus, you always hear about babies being delivered in taxis and any number of strange places where the mother was unable to get to a hospital in time. Besides, there’s a very clear Hawaii statute that talks about how unattended births are allowed to be reported.
I have seen the statement that he has a CT SSN before but I have never seen the proof. Has his SSN been made public?
[MT: Part, if not all of his SS# was made public. I, myself, looked it up and saw it was issued in Connecticut when he was like, 18, I believe. You can put this one in the 'true' column.]
What I find so maddening about all of the data about Obama is that we should be able, easily, to get it and get corroboration from still-alive witnesses! I mean it’s not as he lived in the 800 B.C. and we need archaeologists to decipher cunieform. [MT: LOLOLOL] There have to be hundreds of people alive who knew his grandparents, mother, mother’s colleagues and friends and, well, him willing to be interviewed and speak on the record, pro and con. The paucity of those in dissent about his “facts” is a mirror of the kind of mafiosa-style silence-defense that he benefits from but hopefully that is changing as he is seen as less messianic and more flawed than the unenlightened suspected. When Saturday Night Live finally finds the weakpoint (the British press call him Obama and Impotent) of lack of any kind of accomplishment, that might signal a change in his formerly impenetrable support.
It doesn’t help him that the Chinese central bank refers to our weakened currency as “Pelosi dollars.” [MT:LOL--you are cracking me up!! I needed that!]
Whoops, bad editing failed to catch that the title for him in the British press is Obama the Impotent a la Ethelred the Unready. [MT: I love your comments this a.m.]
It makes sense that he would have needed an SSN in order to receive financial aid for college. Though I wonder, there is lots of talk that he might have gotten aid for foreign students – if that were true, why would he also need an SSN? I don’t think he is hiding a foreign birth – but he is hiding something.
[MT: We are going to try to get to the bottom of it. I have gone back and forth on this. At first--I thought he was only hiding an adoption. Then I started to lean towards 'birth place' having been changed when I realized he amended his BC. Getting the info about 'Date of Birth' has really thrown me yet again....]
I disagree, his birth was 48 years ago and his Family was not in Hawaii that long.
MT,
I believe you may be getting very close now with your UIPA requests.
If the date of birth was amended as appears the case, it was likely requested to be amended from an earlier date in the original record to Aug 4 1961. [MT: Yes, earlier, doesn't seem to be later because of the 'filed by' date.] This may be the reason the COLB info with Aug 4 1961 was only filed, not accepted, since it will likely conflict with the earlier record since no person can have 2 DoBs.
The key now is to test for evidence of this theory of an earlier original DoB record through another UIPA request.
Suggest you file a UIPA (I can’t unfortunately) that requests copies of ALL original records filed or maintained in respect of the his birth in any of the days up to and including Aug 3 1961 (the day before what we suspect is the amended DoB). [MT: You are on the right track. Let me brainstorm ideas how to phrase this question. But, yes--this does need to happen. Corroboration. I also am anxiously awaiting some kind of clarification--if I don't get it I hope others' are making UIPA requests, too. If people have never written one to Hawaii before, they may not be able to pull the stunt they pulled with me yesterday.
BTW, 'Dude' in the UK, what do you guys really think about the predicament we are in? You are in the UK, eh?]
Hope this helps.
This is what I submitted yesterday:
I request an electronic copy of index data for file number 151 1961- 010641. According to Hawaiian statute 338-18(d), “Index data consisting of name, age, and sex of the registrant and date, type and file number of the vital event and such other data as the director may authorize may be made available to the public.”
So please include, at a minimum, the name, age and sex of the registrant and the date and type of the indexed event. If there is more than one index entry with this file number, please include only the first and earliest filed entry.
[MT: Sounds good. I need to do more research on the indexing...Would you mind sending the one I sent yesterday about his date of birth too? You can copy mine exactly--that's fine with me...]
Remember, too, I am a liberal–his support simply is NOT what it should be. Don’t let anyone say it is. I smell the lies.=)
TK,
Not to sound like a broken record, but have you repeated your request under the UIPA law for Chap 117, PHR Chap 8, 8A, and 8B or relevant document for DoH’s handling of registration and records for vital statistics? [MT: No, that's why I asked that no one else give up on it. I tend to ask twice, then move on. Please keep asking--request it under UIPA.] You by far and away getting more information out of the DoH than anyone else. [MT: Amazing ain't it. I've only been at this for 2 months now...I've let other do this job for me and now it's time to take action ourselves using the UIPA.]
The above request is for a rule, regualation, policy, procedure, etc. that by definition of HRS 92F-12-1, the DoH is required to provide this information to anyone who requests it. The DoH has yet to fulfill multiple requests for aforementioned documents.
You made a request over two months ago, I have made two requests, and I discovered through email correspondence with another concerned citizen that his request has been ignored for going on two weeks now and he also made mention of another person who made this request who was ignored and who also contacted Mark Bennett the Hawaii AG only to be ignored once more. These are just the requests I am aware of. [MT: Incredible. The Governor & Lt. Governor should be informed IMO. Make a stink so they can't ignore you!]
My point to all this is the Hawaii DoH is blatantly breaking the law by not responding to these requests for public disclosure of agency operating rules, policies, procdures etc. Not only are they required to disclose but they are required to make reasonable accomodation to explain how they are interpreted or applied.
My point to all this is I believe that there are many anwers to our questions contianed in these documents that the DoH does not want us to know. I find it highly suspicious that they refuse to comply with such a simple request. [MT: Ya think? No j/k...you are right, that's exactly why I can't trun my back on this, it's too obvious what's going on. Secret laws are in effect perhaps....]
redundant on my points sorry. :>}
[MT: I am the last one to pick on you for this.=)]
Terri:
Via the several exchanges you & I shared back on Leo’s site, I came to see (even though a lil late) just how valuable your work is. What you have done lately has moved it to an even higher level. You are laying the foundation and giving the specific facts to support the work that will follow.
I must confess, however, it takes my careful reading to fully absorb your key points, given all the details you present. I suggest/request you begin with a clear statement of each bold new finding you make, and only below that might you then lay out the specifics supporting your claim. [MT: I am a visual artist and at a loss for how to write my stuff in an easy-to-read way. I will take your advice and try to make the most of it--thanks. Sorry for my rambling. I just want all the facts out there. I never intended to start a blog. You are welcome to write for me, BTW.=)]
By beginning with the Punch Line I think you will grab the attention of a great many more “casual” readers of your blog. Once this happens they will be enticed – if not compelled – to read more. Then they’ll be hooked AND converted.
Thank you for considering this, and there is no need to post it. This is merely an FYI for you.
Sincerely,
Robare
[MT: Also, welcome Robare, it's lovely to have you here if even for a single visit!]
There were several slips of the tongue like this. In addition to the Bay of Pigs incident, there was the misremembering of that woman who babysat Obama in Washington. She said he was an infant of about 7 mos. and her daughter was 18 months old. Then she gave her daughter’s birthdate and it didn’t add up. That would have placed his dob in early 1961 or late 1960.
I can’t remember all the odd things that added up to making people wonder whether he wasn’t born at least a year or two earlier than claimed.
In addition, when FTS put out their first proclamation about his citizenship, they particularly mentioned that he was born in Hawaii after statehood. This, imho, is a “tell”. [MT: This slipped by me, yes, that's a tell if I ever saw one.]
Why mention statehood? Nobody talked about that issue. But they volunteered it.
Then there was their odd phrasing about how the COLB is sufficient to prove “citizenship” well enough to get a passport.
Nobody was talking about passports (although the State Dept. database was getting corrupted), so why did they volunteer information about passports?
Freudian slips all over the place. [MT: yep, good eye.]
Extant records for her also vary by one or two years. It’s inexplicable. [MT: I had to look up the word 'extant.'=) If you can dig up some inconsistent 'extant' records, please share! Thanks!]
MissTickly,
Thank you for your hard work, dedication and perseverance.
I calculate conception of BHO occurred in the last week of October 1960 to first week of November 1960, but do we know where SAD was and who was she with?
Based on a conception date of October 28, 1960, can we guess a range of dates SAD could have traveled, could not have traveled, and would not have traveled, away from a Hawaiian hospital?
Do we know where SAD was on the range of dates, she could not have traveled while in third trimester?
[MT: Thank you for the sweet words--and everyone else, too! It helps me to 'keep on, keeping on.'
I have been totally distracted from this possibility until yesterday, so I can't answer anything on this DOB business. I have never paid any attention until now about rumors about his age being different than what he claimed. I am beginning anew so I hope everyone will bring old ideas back to the table here...it's all relevant now. Let the facts lead us.]
I remember seeing this suggestion posted before, maybe on Leo’s blog, but have you or any readers tried the Ombudsman’s office yet?
“The Hawaii State Ombudsman independently and impartially investigates complaints against state and county agencies and employees.”
[MT: No, I have not, thank you for bringing the suggestion here. Epicurious, I hope you are reading this idea.]
I submitted a request today as follows:
Under the Uniform Information Practices Act of the State of Hawaii, I request an electronic copy of the following:
1. State of Hawaii Public Health Regulations Chapters 8, 8A, and 8B.
2. Hawaii administrative and procedural rules of the Department of Health (DOH) that were and/or are used by the DOH for vital records of birth during the period beginning January 1, 2005 to the present. Please note that your response shall exclude Chapter 338 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS), OIP Opinion letters, and the UIPA as these records are readily available online. The requested documents are those that are described in a, b and c below.
a. DOH rules and/or procedures related to (i)attempts by persons to register and thereby establish an initial vital record of birth to be maintained by the State of Hawaii and (ii)resolution by DOH of issues that may arise from such attempts and (iii) all possible status designations of such attempts as proscribed by the DOH, including at a minimum the status designations of “Filed By Registrar” and “Accepted By State Registrar”
b. DOH rules and/or procedures related to (i) attempts by persons to amend their vital record of birth (ii)the resolution by DOH of issues that may arise from such attempts and (iii) all possible status designations of such attempts as proscribed by the DOH, including at a minimum the status designations of “Filed By Registrar” and “Accepted By State Registrar”
c. DOH rules and/or procedures related to (i)attempts by persons to submit requests for their vital records of birth and (ii)resolution by DOH of issues that may arise from such attempts.
3. Any and all documents used to train personnel in the DOH as to the rules and procedures associated in any way with Items 1 and 2 above.
4. Any and all DOH documents that specify the definition of and/or the proper usage of the following terms as applies to their use on printed vital records of birth for any and all forms of birth certificates printed by the State of Hawaii during the period beginning January 1, 2005 to the present:
a. Date Filed by Registrar
b. Date Accepted by State Registrar
5. Any and all documents that define requirements for the electronic information system used by the DOH and which contains the data used to produce print copies of birth certificates in any form. Please note this not a request FOR the information contained in such electronic information system but instead is a request for the definition of the data base schema used to store such information.
[MT: Thank you. If you don't get a response, please consider the idea SEO just wrote about--the Ombudsman's office.
I'll add this here too: can you ask for all tech support and user manuals that go with the Electronic Birth Certificate system? I'd like to know which EBC system they use.]
Has somebody asked via UIPA for Madeline and SAD death records?
[MT: Seems like I remember Larry Sinclair talking about the death records at the time Madeline passed away...I could be wrong.
ALSO, it seems like Iremember him saying no doctor verified the deaths and that they were filed by the family. You should double check that, but it seems that way to me. I was left thinking, "That's interesting."]
Keith
10/09/2009 at 12:00 pm
Brilliant. I am a computer scientist and am especially interested in #5. Waiting with baited breath. NONE of this information can even remotely considered to be ‘restricted’. This will be a true test cast to see if they man up.
If they F-up (Foul-up, what were you thinking?) this request, I suggest we immediately go to Plan B and unleash the full fury of the OIP, the Ombudsman Office, and the Courts on them.
[MT: Me too. Keith, can you ask for all tech support and user manuals that go with the system? I'd like to know which EBC system they use.]
TK,
Do you or any other dear readers have Mark Bennett’s email address? I can only find an on-line form.
[MT: try this hawaiiag@hawaii.gov
and this mark.bennett@ag.hawaii.gov
I can't remember which I used when I got Op No 84-14, I had to close that email account due to snoopers.]
FYI a Jerome Corsi report from this August, showed Ann Dunham started college classes in Seattle only 15 days after reportedly delivering her first-born child in Honolulu (aged 18 and living on her own with a new born child).
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106258
Any Mom’s care to comment on being able to do that within two weeks of giving birth? With an earlier DoB in 1961 (say) I would guess it would be a lot more manageable and fit the timeline better of giving up classes in Hawaii much closer to the DoB.
[MT: Things are starting to look different under this new light, hmmm?]
Stink made to Govenor Lingle, Lt. Governor Aiona, and the OIP. Awaiting someone to respond to my request for the AG’s email address.
[MT: I can smell it from here--you left a good stink!!=)]
They are trying to influence the Judge in the Barnett Keyes case. So far the casse has not been dismissed.
Ombudsman as well.
MT,
I just checked at Freep and saw the info about the Cuban (Francisco Cunda) being the father. I googled his name and came across this picture:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://enrisco.blogspot.com/2008/10/sagua-la-grande-centro-del-universo.html&ei=t2rPSsK7IoKY8AbC9MXxAw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DFrancisco%2BCundo%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DOWy%26sa%3DG
What do you think?
[MT: Did you paste Obama's head on this guy???? Or what??? My God!]
[MT: You have got me floored with this one...this fits with what I have been researching for months. Not the Cuban part--but some of the rest that this article talks about. I don't want to post about it here, but this is an impressive find, Sharon--thank you!]
Actually, what is needed is the operator/user guide on how to DOH data entry personnel “punch” things into their system.
wow! This is the second time that I’ve heard Cuba for BO. Is that picture for real, or is it a phony?
Can we all have the link from the Freep, please? I want to see what they are all saying.
thanks
Sorry, try this and send it through babelfish: http://gentemqp.blogspot.com/2009/01/cuba-uganda-kenia-sudan-egipto.html
I wonder if they will have to un-award it to him once his real life is exposed….
http://gentemqp.blogspot.com/2009/01/cuba-uganda-kenia-sudan-egipto.html
I have a theory that fits with this. A serious theory–one that predates my knowledge of this article. This really strikes me, anyone else feel the same?
MT, I don’t know where, and it’s been a while since I read this, but I have heard Cuba also. It’s worth pursuing.
[MT: I whole-heartedly agree! This is just too much. And I mean all of it, some of this is stuff I came across doing my own research but seeing it in print from BEFORE I even started--crazy!]
hawaiiag@hawaii.gov not kicked back
ag@hawaii.gov not kicked back
mark.bennett@ag.hawaii.kicked back undeliverable
mark.bennett@hawaii.gov kicked back undeliverable
My guess is it is ag@hawaii.gov
[MT: Maybe, I had a hard time finding it too. I will look some more as well...
UPDATE: I just found this one twice through google, I think this is good: Mark.J.Bennett@hawaii.gov]
Why can’t we just go to the FBI and make a report so they investigate this?
Sorry if it sounds stupid, but shouldn’t the FBI not get involved? There is so much evidence, and they would be able to get the info from Hawaii in a legal way.
[MT: I called the FBI. I got a VERY bad vibe and they said, they saw no problem with what I was saying. A very bad vibe.
In fact, I only called my LOCAL FBI office and got a very bad vibe.]
Miss Tickly,
Please drop me an email, as I need advice on how to file an OIP complaint.
[MT: Done.=)]
Can you elaborate perhaps with a little more detail? What does “they saw no problem with what I was saying” exactly mean?
[I called and told them my entire story up until this week (especially about the statutory admission) and told them I felt I was in over my head and that I felt unsafe pursuing this. They said they don't see any problem. I said, "You don't?" and the guy said, "Nope." and I said, thanks for your time, alrighty then.
And that's a pretty accurate account of the conversation. I did have luck with a lawyer in my city who actually got on Leo's blog and had lots of interest. He said he knew of no government watchdog to help me though--said he would be thinking about where to take this story--I haven't heard back from him though. Another lawyer who also took me very seriously recommended I call my local police to alert them of what I was doing and to report any suspicions to the FBI. He, too, was at a loss on who is a watchdog for this kind of situation. I ask both men--they both found both me and the timeline with the non-binding resolution very credible.]
MT, what about Joseph Farah at WND and this story?
[MT: I must have missed something you wrote, please repost...I am not sure what you are asking.]
Maybe we need to advertise that we are looking for an honest FBI agent or Investigator, who would be willing to listen and get involved in this investigation. But were would we put it, is there any FBI magazine that they read?
Went home within 24 hours. Took care of 4 children and a typical demanding 60’s husband and every “out”law that wanted a meal. Cleaned house, washed dirty diapers, kept up my garden, painted the kids room. Enrolling in college would have been a walk in the park.
[MT: I admire women like you.]
I contacted my FBI office also, back when I realized the online COLB was probably forged. They said they don’t investigate document fraud. Then I went online and reported it; it was supposed to be forwarded to…. the FBI.
I then contacted the US Attorney’s office for my state. They said they can’t take tips from the little people – I should get the FBI to investigate and have them send the referral to them.
Then I contacted my county sheriff, asking if he could coordinate with the Chicago police and/or our state AG because Obama may have perjured himself in saying he was eligible to be on our state ballot. He said they don’t have funds enough to investigate the POTUS.
Even if Obama were to turn out eligible, this whole thing has shown me that we are on our own. Our whole government and law enforcement system is rotten to the core.
[MT: It's going to have to be something very OBVIOUS to have anyone listen and take action. And even then....well, I can just keep trying to make it obvious.]
We sure need some help from any law enforcement, Judge, or something like that, to advise us at least, or even open the doors.
[MT: I have tried, but please keep thinking and don't give up. In fact, don't sweat it. I believe soon THEY will look like total *ssholes.]
Personally,
I don’t view the WND as a very credible news source although they have done a pretty good job of keeping the controversy alive.
I am in the process of emailing Thomas Lifson at American Thinker and requesting publication of the difficulties we are experiencing. AT is the credible (IMHO) news source that has given this issue any attention.
[MT: I love AT, too]
How about Mark Levin, but I don’t know how to get in touch with him, he is also fighting hard.
Miss Tickly, I’m talking about getting this story out and was asking about WND. I know a lot of people don’t care for them, though. Someone says American Thinker and I like them also.
[MT: I would stick with AT. I am not sure, but WND may have started the false rumor that the Kapiolani Letter was taken down and it wasn't.]
Where were you at? In the 1960’s in most places in America women were required to stay in the hospital for a week after giving birth.
Also, a first birth usually involves either an epesiotomy or tearing, which is a little different than a 4th birth. My first child was stillborn at 42 weeks in 1991. Within a week I had buried the child and moved with my husband to another state. I ended up with an infection that put me in the hospital for a week – and that’s with a lot of TLC from a dear dual parish that was ready to welcome their new grieving pastor’s wife.
Contrast that with my youngest daughter, with whom I left the hospital in less than 24 hours after the birth and took care of my 4 children at home, albeit with help from my mom for a couple days. Two weeks later I hosted my large extended family for the baptism. But it took a toll; within a month I was nearly hospitalized again with complications from a uterine blood clot and pneumonia.
If Leo’s UIPA reply is accurate, the DOH received no evidence from a hospital (or from anybody else) before Aug 10, 1961. That screws everything up right there. For sure it would mean that SAD did not give birth in a Hawaii hospital by the time Obama’s posted COLB says his birth was “filed”. That date of filing has to be wrong. How it got there is the question of the day. I suspect by Obama forging the date on the online COLB.
IOW, seems like the DOH is saying that Obama’s online COLB is not from their office.
For her to have a first birth at home without being followed up by an examination from a doctor (who would have sent records to the DOH) and then to be in another state 2 weeks later not knowing how to change a diaper, looking for an apartment, and enrolling school… that seems pretty far-fetched to me. Size of the baby would make a difference too, but to have done it without any medical care definitely seems unrealistic to me.
[MT: Nellie, your story is more like my own.
also: "That date of filing has to be wrong"
This date could be the date the 'amendment' was filed by a parent or grandparent. We just don't know yet--it may not be forged at all.]
Does anyone know the date associated with this picture. I would be cautious, another trick possibly. MT this is too much for you and I am worried about you. Please consider another way and let us support you. I recommend we do find a lawyer for you and give you.
[MT: I have been keeping myself safe in other ways--thank you for the concern!]
MT I am worried about you. Please consider getting some assistance and setting up a fund for your expenses. I posted above also.
[MT: I know my mom would love for me to do this very thing because I am losing sight of my real career.
However, I just couldn't imagine how unethical it would look to ask to be paid to write UIPA requests. I couldn't do that. Thank you anyway. My family has resolved to help support my efforts until I see this through. That's all the help I need at this point.]
Maybe we need to ask if they received a report from a hospital in the year 1959 or 1960. Just my 2 cents, because I am not so good with this.
[MT: Yes, please do this. I know I have.=)]
In the meantime, you guys go and sign this:
http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/
Has anybody read this:
about Okubo:
http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com/2008/08/janice-okubo-denies-impropriety-with.html
[MT: """'The thing that's redacted is just our file number," she said. "Potentially, if you have that number, you could break into the system.'"
Oh BS. Why would they print it on the certificates then? Geez, people have posted their Hawaii BCs online even.]
I submitted the story to WND, Big Government, & American Thinker. I’ll work on more in a little bit.
[MT: Thanks, everyone is playing an important part!]
Have you tried contacting the producers of Glenn Beck? A few weeks ago one of them was interviewed at Orly Taitz hearing. When someone questioned the producer as to why GB hasn’t done any stories on the eligibility issue, he said “they are working on it” and that ACORN and the Czars are top priority. The Youtube is online and the producers name is mentioned.
Maybe they would consider this more tangible than Orly’s case.
[MT: That's what gets me. I am using the four required responses to garner REAL info. You would think there would be interest.
I hope there will come a day when I post on exactly what the press has done and SHAME them for all that they failed us. And on that day they won't be able to scurry like cockroaches.]
Here’s the youtube interview of Mark Harris, Glenn Beck’s produer.
Right. At this point we really know nothing. But if an amendment was filed on or before Aug 10, 1961 shouldn’t DOH have either given Leo a copy of the filing form or else have denied him access to it?
I’m sure he’s waiting for clarification before posting on it. He had told me he was going to say something on the radio last night but then he wasn’t on the radio. I’m anxious to learn more about it.
[MT: not if the info didn't come from a hospital as I read Leo's request....]
And Factcheck had the number unredacted. This Okubo is either incompetent, dishonest, or both.
I also submitted to AT.
Can somebody please send the link to freepers where they are discussing the Cuba angle?
Can anyone coorborate that Stanley Ann went to Cuba in 1960?
Miss Tickly, you are awesome.
[MT: Thanky! I don't have the Freeper convo, but a Freeper name Frantzie, posted this for me: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.british/2008-11/msg00004.html
Miss Tickly,
It’s amazing to me that all of us are talking about the things that we’ve read over the year in the BO saga. I’ve read about so many strange things in the past year. Also, remember all of those SS numbers that someone found on Stanley Ann and BO? I wonder what ever happened about those. Someone posted a link of Mitchell Langbert’s, which I remember he once had someone who was investigating those numbers and found tons of them.
Still no clarification from Hawaii. I see that as a ‘tell.’
Just sayin’.
This may already be posted
Google Search
Is Obama Cuban? (Unverified, unattributed)
From my in box:
The possibility that Barack Obama will be the next president of the USA has sparked the curiosity of his origin and his family. Ann Durken, mother of Obama, at age 18 visited Cuba , with a group to give support to the Castro government. During her stay in Cuba in 1960, she was involved with voluntary work living in a commune in the central zone of Cuba, where she met a young Cuban Francisco Cundo from the town of Sagua la Grande….When Ann left Cuba in Dec 1960, she was 2 months pregnant. When she went back to Hawaii where her parents lived, she continued her studies at the University of Hawaii in Manoa where she met Barack Obama Sr., with whom she married in Feb. 1961. In his book “The Audacity of Hope”, Obama says that his mother was 4 months pregnant when she married his father. If we continue the chronology of these actions, one can prove that the biological father of the son of Ann was Cuban….Francisco Cundo not Barack Obama Sr. This creates a new situation if the possible new president Obama, since it would make him of Cuban origin with roots in the town of Sagua la Grande.
Posted by Val Prieto at November 3, 2008 12:30 PM
[MT: It has been, please see the links already posted for more. Thanks for making sure we had it!]
Not sure if this is new or old, looks new. This could be getting more attention now.
http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2757&sid=f2bb6f4dfe962155a57153671d80dc99
About Judge Carter being pressured. I found this story om freerepublic
I found this at FR, and you have to read through it, but it talks about that Francisco dude.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2347715/posts
[MT: Got it, will read..
Interesting, did you see the B&W photo there, too? I don't know what to make of it, just yet...]
MT, here’s more from them, and this was back at the first of the year. They are really discussing this.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2157922/posts
I would strongly recommend to get with Andrew Breitbart’s http://www.biggovernment.com. The launch of this new website was pushed up due to the fact that Andrew was put in touch with Hannah Giles and James O’Keefe who had these undercover videos of the ACORN branch offices. This would be a proper venue to expose government corruption and cover ups.
[MT: Feel free to send, I have given up on connecting with any media on this a long time ago...]
Can we put an FOIA to the Government and ask who vetted Obama? That should be an open question, or not?
Yes, MT, I saw that B&W photo and don’t know what to think yet either. There’s a lot to think through.
[MT: I don't see much on this anywhere, do you?...will have to suspend judgment..]
Or even ask who saw all the documentation that made him qualified?
[MT: I've found it doesn't hurt to write any FOIA or UIPA requests...]
No, MT, haven’t found anything on that photo yet.
Sorry, but I don’t know how to do that?
[MT: I've never looked into writing a FOIA request, but I am sure it's as easy as writing a UIPA request. Just formulate the request for records and state it's a FOIA request and send to the head of the agencies you believe have the correct records.]
After posting the photo, I checked with my husband; he thinks its photoshopped. Who is an expert at it? Let’s get this debunked if it should be.
[MT: I am somewhat an expert, although I don't exactly want to state my profession. I thinks its very questionable.
Also, I feel we are getting facts right now, so let's let them lead us. It helps pass the time to speculate, but let it be said that we are speculating while we wait for answers! I don't want my blog to be a rumor bin....something to just bide the time....]
Scott, there still have to be hundreds of people still alive who knew the Dunham family from Washington state and/or Hawaii years who know most of the bits and pieces of the chronology. Surely Ann Dunham had SOME friends, somewhere, who visited her in the hospital or hut or wherever she gave birth and in the days following who can confirm some verifiable data. As much as I dislike Obama for my deep belief that he’s less a person than a robotic Manchurian candidate owing fealty to a lot of forces no one voted for, I realize he was born somewhere on this planet and his mother must have confided the facts thereon to someone close enough to the event that things could be verified.
He’s to blame for all of this as, had he wanted to lay suspicions to rest, he would have. Leaving anyone with half a brain to conclude that he did not want to…and did not want to even if the failure to do so causes an ongoing rift in the country.
[MT: Yes, and if he were genuine, he wouldn't be letting the DoH field all these questions for him.]
I cannot take credit for the our new currency name of the Pelosi dollar. A liberal investor/commentator was on CNBC yesterday and mentioned that he’d just returned from an extensive trip throughout Asia and found that investors and bankers there are calling our depreciated currency “Pelosi dollars.” Needless to say, they have too much of it and don’t want any more!
[It's good.]
I don’t understand why no one is talking about Jusin
Riggs post. (see link below) Leo, isn’t evening posting about this. This information is very significant. I can’t seem to figure out how to copy the images from the Scrib documnets, but 2000 and 2004 are on his front page and to get to the 2008 for Hawaii go to his archive for 2008 and scroll down. Please pass this informaiton far and wide.
http://www.yourfellowcitizen.com/
2000 and 2004 Democrat and Republican Party HI Certifications
I don’t have time to comment on this now, but I wanted to get them up for everyone to see…
There are obviously some things that need to be addressed. I’ll blog later tonight on what I see.
Hawaii 2000 and 2004 Certs (Rep and Dem)
UPDATE:
Since I began this blog late last year, I’ve tried to avoid speculation as much as possible. In that spirit, I am only going to post the facts as I see them. If you notice something that has escaped me, please feel free to contact me, and if I feel it is legitimate, I will include it in this update. Here, then, is what I see:
I now have Certifications for 2000, 2004, and 2008 from the Democratic National Committee.
In 2000, there is “constitutionally eligible” language, but that language is in a different typeface than the rest of the document.
In 2004, there is NO “constitutionally eligible” language on the Cert.
As we know, the 2008 Cert does contain “constitutionally eligible” language, but it’s significantly different than the language that was on the 2000 Cert.
I also have 2000, 2004, and 2008 Certs from the Democratic Party of HI
The 2000 state Cert contains the “constitutionally eligible” language.
The 2004 state Cert ALSO contains “constitutionally eligible” language, BUT
The 2008 state Cert DOES NOT contain “constitutionally eligible” language, instead saying “…the following candidates are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the national Democratic Parties balloting at the Presidential Preference Poll and Caucus…”.
Again, in 2000, both the national and the state Certs contained the proper language. In 2004, the proper language gets dropped from the national Cert, but remains on the state Cert. Then, in 2008, the proper language reappears on the national Cert, but on the state Cert, which had been correct up to that point, the language is removed and replaced with what is, to me, a nearly indecipherable statement.
The facts are now before us – putting the pieces of the puzzle together is a task yet to be completed.
[MT: Sounds like a long term goal for some people who want to get rid of the relevance of the NBC qualification. Nothing else ever changes from year to year but that language, ya know? Isn't that pattern proof enough to bring questions in front of some kind of authority?
ALSO, I would have to say that collectively, those dnc certs are a goldmine. They establish a a pattern. Nothing else changes but the constitutionally qualified language....
..and I think that we are finally over the top of the hill and heading down...]
TK,
Please do not take this the wrong way, I especially appreciate your dedication to exposing the truth. If you want to really blow the lid off this with the media, I suggest that you limit the comments to thing that we know are factual in context or question the DoH’s responses (or lack thereof.) All this speculation and reading between the lines i.e. the Cuban father theory, frankly comes across as a lunacy/fringe conspiracy theory that the left jumps all over. Credible news sources will dismiss it as such as well. I have alerted: American Thinker, Big Government, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and even WND. With the exception of the latter, none of these news sources or commentators will touch this with a 10 ft pole if they think it is tainted with fringe theories. I gently suggest that you turn on the moderation and only post those messages that stay on topic and don’t include each contributor’s personal tea leaf readings if you expect to gain any credibility with the media. If they are interested in your findings, they will scrutinize your postings as well as the comments before making a decision to pursue.
Just food for thought.
[MT: I just commented the same thing to Sharon: "Also, I feel we are getting facts right now, so let's let them lead us. It helps pass the time to speculate, but let it be said that we are speculating while we wait for answers! I don't want my blog to be a rumor bin....something to just bide the time...."
Let me actually reinforce this point, it's good to bring back ideas that we once thought were irrelevant, but let's not 'run' with a single one of them. I'd really rather just make a note of this or that and go no further with it...]
It is my understanding on the state certs for POTUS…there are two of them filed that are date/time stamped for the same dates. Both signed by Pelosi. One with the Constitutional wording re: eligibility and another filed the same day without it. That alone shows Pelosi knowingly committed fraud cause she knew like all of the other Dems that BO is an illegal alien and did not qualify for POTUS.
I am sure most everyone has seen them. Let me know if you need the link.
Early 60’s ‘yes’ you are correct. Late 60’s ‘no’ you are incorrect. 5th child, no tearing and all the etc’s. No complications other than a divorce.
Kathy, I don’t understand why Leo isn’t talking about it either. I told him about Justin Riggs’ findings yesterday. But maybe they are hashing it over. I don’t know. Plus Justin said that he was going to blog about it later, which would have been last night. Maybe he hasn’t had the time to do that. In order to download those images, I had to register. Then you can download them. I didn’t realize where he had the 2008 ones at, and thanks.
Epicurious, I know all of that stuff sounds absolutely crazy, and mostly I assume we’re just bringing it out just to think about it. It’s all out there by someone, so is it just misinformation that’s put out there by the Obots? Maybe! But still some of these weird dates and things stick in the back of your mind.
[MT: Leo's brain is frazzled right now as is mine--it takes a lot out of a person so I empathize with him. Let him take some time to focus, he will get on it...]
Yesterday at 5:01 pm CST, I sent your exact request to Hawaii. They had not replied to me before, so I wanted to see what they would do. As of now, I still have not received a response.
[MT: I haven't heard a peep either. Thank you so much for sending it!!!
I think it's telling that it is taking this long to get back to me/us all of a sudden...in more ways than one. Maybe they have their hands full of UIPA requests, lets hope. UIPA is all about weighing public interest against individual privacy...it would speak volumes if they were flooded with people exercising their rights to use the UIPA...]
I don’t think a few weeks or even a few years are going to make a difference. I’m not saying he didn’t have the date changed, but I just don’t think statehood would have been the reason.
Hawaii was a soverign territory of the US prior to Statehood; therefore, he would be considered a NBC at birth. This was the same situation of Barry Goldwater – he was born in a US Soverign Territory, but was confirmed to be NBC.
[MT: Maybe not...I was just throwing it out there...in the form of a question..]
Not necessarily huge. Same thing with Palin – people claiming she wasn’t pregnant because she wasn’t showing a month prior to giving birth.
I was still wearing plain street clothes the day I gave birth to my daughter. I was so disappointed because I wanted everyone to SEE I was having a baby. My gardener came to door the day I brought her home from the hospital, and asked me where she come from? I said, I just had her and he honestly thought I was lying to him!
Not everyone shows, so while I think it is probably implausable that she wasn’t showing, I certainly don’t think it would rule in or out the situation.
Dear Miss Tickly,
I’m looking into California Elections Code and in particular who in the Democratic party was on the steering committee for the 2008 Presidential Primary. Requests are pending.
CALIFORNIA ELECTIONS CODE
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html
6080. Each selected candidate and each candidate who seeks to qualify under Article 4 (commencing with Section 6060) of this chapter and each group proposing an uncommitted delegation shall
appoint a steering committee of seven members and shall appoint one of the members to serve as the chairperson.
6081. The chairperson of a steering committee, at least 82 days prior to the presidential primary, shall file with the Secretary of State a statement containing the names and addresses of the members
of the steering committee.
6160. At least 60 days before a presidential primary, the Secretary of State shall notify each steering committee whether or not it has qualified a candidate or uncommitted delegation for placement on the ballot pursuant to Section 6060.
BR
Dear TerriK,
Since the President has publicly declared that he was born in Kapi’olani hospital (see his 1-24-09 congratulatory letter to the hospital) I see no reason why HDoH couldn’t include that information on the index data just released. Since it is publicly known, I see no privacy issue. So I’m wondering what legal reason HDoH could give to prevent the name of the hospital being released.
You have done a magnificent job and are to be commended.
God bless,
J. Black
[MT: Thank you. I have no idea why they don't recognize when he waives his privacy. Perhaps they still have to have a permission slip from him--or are hiding behind that idea. I don't know. At one time I sent a snapshot of that letter to them and asked if they had it on record in accordance with policy and procedure. They never answered me=) Of course, that was not a UIPA request, it was only a question.]
Hi, Miss Tickly,
I’m not upset with him at all. I know that he’s busy, so I didn’t mean to sound that way.
[MT: I didn't think you were--I was just saying-=)--]
A possible scenario:
1959 BHO Sr. arrives in Hawaii and Stanley Ann’s father is there to greet him (see picture).
1960 Summer –- Stanley Ann gets pregnant by someone of African heritage not necessarily in Hawaii, but a marriage is not possible for some reason.
Stanley Ann’s parents want to legitimize the birth so they ask their acquaintance, BHO Sr. for a favor – marry their daughter before the birth with nothing expected in return. BHO Sr. agrees.
Fall — Stanley Ann’s dad has her move to Hawaii and enroll at University of Hawaii so that she can meet BHO Sr. and make the story plausible.
Spring –- Stanley Ann does not enroll in school, gets married, and has BHO Jr. sometime in April or May.
Summer — Stanley Ann’s parents need to change the birthday to make it appear that the child was conceived after Stanley Ann met BHO, Sr., so an application showing an August birthday was filed in Hawaii.
[MT: Could be...but we are just speculating. I have some UIPA requests out to find out more so let's hold tight for the moment on what it all means...]
I still haven’t found anything on that photo, but you have been on FR in the past, right? Do you know the person who posted the photo
[MT: not that I know of...I can't remember the person's name and can't get back to that page..]
We can’t generalize about the recovery period too much. I worked in a newborn nursery in 1960, a county hospital with low SES mothers and high infant mortality. Most mothers went home from this charity institution after 3-5 days max. In 1964 I met an interesting young couple, she 14, he 18, they were living in a cabin in Big Sur and had a baby there. The theory I find hard to swallow is having a baby in Kenya and flying home within days. I also flew around the world in 1969 and it would have been hell with a new baby.
The picture of the Cuban sure looks like O, but the ears seem too short top to bottom. The text indicates this fellow thinks he’s the father.
[MT: I have a hard time trusting the photo...]
Doesn’t matter who his genetic father is, if his mom was married to BO Sr., Sr. is the father and that’s that. Also, if they were married, Jr. is a Brit. And this story doesn’t really affect the situation to make a date cover-up necessary, it just adds some more lies. But, if the mom had put “white” on the BC,(because Cundo is Hispanic) well, that might not play well later.
[MT: I agree. What really matters, too, are all the cover-ups...]
How about we put together a list of international press agencies and newspapers and contact them? There are conservative publications and websites that we can hit with this. I started that last April 15 with the Tea Party and it’s been fine-tuned somewhat already. Let’s make a concise writeup, send it to this list, and keep sending updates as we obtain more findings. Heck this is not just our problem, it’s a problem for the entire planet.
I was also thinking along those lines, and as a reason for an earlier DoB being on record, it certainly meets Occam’s razor principle that the simplest explanation is usually the best one.
But as MT rightly points out, further evidence from a UIPA request of an earlier DOB is what’s needed first to get the ball rolling.
I agree that Obama has waived his right to privacy not only at the DoH but at the Kapi’olani Medical Center as well. BHO’s letter dated January 24, 2009 that is contained in the KMC cenntenial pamphlet, is his affirmation that he was born at KMC. If you look closely at page 2 of the same pamphlet, they carefully crafted a statement that neither confirms or denies Obama’s birth at KMC. I believe that this alone should absolve the KMC of any legal liability should they confirm or deny Obama’s birth at their facility on the said date. I however do not know if such disclosure would conflict or violate HIPAA laws. Only a lawyer can answer this.
While I have been actively posting to this blog and hounding the DoH for relevant general information, I have not made any requests for Obama’s personal data for personal reasons. Honestly, I am reluctant to do so out of fear of retribution. My hats are off to the brave souls such as TK, who have been willing to make such requests.
I will however provide the following information should one of you dear readers are willing contact directly contact the KMC and request full disclosure.
http://www.kapiolanigift.org/uploadedfiles/centennial-magazine.pdf
KMC Marketing & Communications 808-535-7240
KMC Community & Outreach Education Services 808-535-7000
[MT: I hear you. It took me a while to muster the nerve to start asking pointed questions.]
I should rephrase this. As soon as we start getting more definite answers out of Hawaii, THEN we can hit the international angle.
I just found this on oilforimmigration.org. They have the letter posted there.
BERG v OBAMA – OPEN DOCUMENT Submit Notification for Monday, 10/26/2009.
Posted on October 10th, 2009 by David-Crockett
BERG v OBAMA – OPEN DOCUMENT Submit Notification for Monday, 10/26/2009. (TLW) Transport Room
I reread my response, then I reread your response, then I reread my response (that I put through a spell check so had a copy of). I really sounded cold, which I apologize for. I live in a rural place, does area sound better? A hospital was beyond a luxuary. Had my first 3 at home and then the husband was granted the luxary of having health insurance so off I went to the hospital, that was actually a ranch home with a doctor. Thank god (who I’ve pretty well given up on) there was a doctor who kept me and the baby clean. Along came the 5th and I have to admit that I was looking forward to a day off. It was yummy, no kids, no husband, no relatives, I could ask for a no visitation order. Look I’ve finally gotten contact with the world after all these years. Got access to a computer and devouring everything outside my ‘terrority’. I voted, that’s important for me, I VOTED. Then I waited for something to happen. I wanted that prison to close, my granddaddy’s were in the 2nd WW and they said war was bad, actually they said it was worse than I can type here. Obama said he wanted to end war, but it’s still going on and he said that he thought everyone should get care for their health. I went to the doctor’s and he told me how much it would cost, I didn’t have the money and the guy I work for didn’t have it either although he gave me a $100 and said he would try and buy blood pressure medicine. I read a lot and love my neighbor’s computer and she’s generous with it. So I look on google for Obama and try and figure out why things aren’t what he says (Obama) they’ll be. I find this this “blog” I go to this and several others including ‘christian’ ones that I really don’t get, but that’s a whole different story.
I feel bad that you lost a child and it was a huge slice of your life. As for me I was up and running as soon as the bleeding stopped. It’s difficult for me to see it any other way, but I’m trying.
If Obama’s not entitled to be president by reason of birth then maybe this explains why I can’t get surgery or buy my medicine or the war hasn’t stopped and that thing about a prison. I don’t know but I’m trying to find out. Should I had voted for McLain, I paid my taxes for 40 years I’ll get medical and s.s. but meanwhile I don’t know if I’ll make it till then. Did I make a mistake and vote for Obama? Would McLain had been better.
Please don’t be condinsending to me, I don’t have a good grade school education, but I’m not stupid. What is the truth, what will work. I’ve always worked and I’m willing to do the work.
I’m pretty sure WorldNetDaily asked the White House to confirm that they sent the letter to Kapiolani and they refused to say one way or another.
I remember reading the article about Janice Okubo that somebody posted here. Okubo says that they contacted Obama to see about clearing up all the questions. I’ve only submitted a few questions to the DOH and the Mark Bennett’s office because my husband is uneasy about it after all the computer troubles I’ve been through. But maybe somebody could request records of the communications that the DOH had with Obama. I don’t know if Okubo’s interview counts as “making information available to the public”, but if it does, then whatever she saw to enable her to say it should be fair game.
There is so much to speculate on BO that it’s unreal. I’m sure that he wants it that way. I’ll be back probably Sunday night. We keep sabbath and have the feast day coming up, Last Great Day, so I won’t be around.
In the meantime, I hope all of you have a wonderful weekend.
Miss Tickly, (sorry, I like that name), hope you get an answer soon from DoH in Hawaii as well was the rest of you-all. Monday is probably a holiday for them, right?
[MT: You have a wonderful weekend, too!]
I sent the following UIPA separate requests on 10/09/2009…
1) I respectful request copies of any information or documents (on record, on file, and in any form) your agency maintains that IS publicly available to release for President Obama.
2) I request an copy of any vital records on file with your office that exist for President Obama with a “date of birth” BEFORE August 4th, 1961.
3) I request an copy of any vital records on file with your office that exist for President Obama with a “date of birth” AFTER August 4th, 1961.
Will post any responses here.
[MT: Awesome, I sent some similar stuff myself...]
TK,
I just sent you a private message of great news and interest to your October 2nd posting at free republic. You will find my email address contained within the posting.
Regards,
epicurious
I will be off-line for next couple of hrs but should be able to respond by 10:00PM EDT.
[MT: I sent you an email, I don't know how to retrieve private messages...
UPDATE: Nevermind, you mean over on FR....I will look at it..=).]
As I look at all this and think about it (and also Donofrio’s and Berg’s and everyone else’s), I can’t help thinking for the millionth time, what can be so devastating as to be worth the coverup?
1. It can’t be that he was born a little early. Who cares anymore about hasty marriages. The only “early” that could count would be so early that Hawaii wasn’t a state, and people would still give him a pass for an American mother and American territory. It wouldn’t look good, but we’re getting hardened to lies.
2. It can’t be that he changed his name from Obama to Soetero and back, because there is too much evidence about it to hide. This is where the school records could be useful, or other evidence that he still had Indonesian citizenship, but what would that have to do with his BC? Nobody has really successfully got traction on the adoption angle.
3. It might be that he was born in another country. That would count as “not American” for quite a few, but I still can’t quite see him not getting a pass, so even if he was born in Kenya, again it looks good but we’re used to lies. (This is the danger: Must.not.get.numb to lies.)
4. I had not known about this Cuban fellow until today, but did see another cover-up type scenario called Now His Goose is Double-Cooked which involved home birth, back dating, and putting his race down as white for social reasons, and hoping for the best. No way that would fly if Obama Sr. was the father, of course the baby would obviously have Black ancestry. But if the father was already light it might work. This makes me think–how would it be if he were lying about his race? How could the HI DoH change that? It would be ridiculous, they could never justify it. But he can’t repudiate his vaunted blackness, what would that do to his street cred?
We should think along these lines. What is the real killer information that could be there, and how can it be requested.
[MT: Hey, I thought that's what we were doing? I did find out he filed for an amendment...that's pretty unusual, no? I know I am working on the other details...=)]
I think we need to find out what were the acceptable terms for “RACE” on 1961 birth certificates in Hawaii. Obama Sr.’s “RACE” being African, may be a clue…I don’t know. Just thinking out loud here, I know this has been discussed before on other websites.
[MT: According to the AG op no. 84-14, practically any term as far as 'race' goes...and it can be amended]
What can we find out about Obama’s “mentor” and the man his mother had a big crush on and whom Barack Obama, Sr. was beholden to for letters of reference for his application to Harvard and for financial aid?
Frank Marshall Davis was an Black Panther who moved hastily from Chicago to Hawaii on his socialite wife’s dime and to avoid arrest in Illinois? He loved Hawaii and was able, as a black man, to reinvent himself as a writer, faux-intellectual, activist and minor league politician.
There’s been a lot of speculation about his relations with Stanley Ann Dunham and whether he was Obama’s biological father. I have no further information BUT, while we’re in the mode of accessing public records from Hawaii, it would be interesting to see what might be on file for Mr. Davis, a man whom Obama honored as his near-honorary father. And, as Davis was a politician, he might was also waived any right to privacy of any facts he divulged during his career.
[MT: You are absolutely free to request what you wish. I am starting with what I know for certain, but if you want to speculate and request--more power to you!=)]
Hi TK…
my first time posting here… I been watching & trying to follow both your’s & Leo’s conversations. I would think that much of the focus on obama should be put on his passport… especially since he went to Pakistan in 1981 which was off limits to citizens of the US. This seems to me would or should be a main point in his eligibility to hold office. Just my 2 cents.
Hopefully you & Leo will present a court case that will be rock solid & done 100% legal so there can NOT be any excuses… keep up the great work!!
[MT: I can only handle so much--Just so you know, when you bring an idea here, it's your duty to follow up on it. Now you have to look up FOIA requests and how to file one. Then send it away to the right agency and request british passport records on him, or american passport records, etc...If they deny you citing privacy laws, you know that those particular passport records exist. There is probably a similar outline of responses that federal agencies have to follow under the FOIA as there is for responding to UIPA requests...]
Wow, I have never really paid attention to who might really be Obama’s father but, looking at the photos of Dunham, Obama, Sr., and Davis, I now wonder why Leo Donofrio is so certain that Obama, Sr. IS the father!
Genetic contributions aren’t always linear and can be fluky but I sure don’t see anything in Obama’s facial features that suggest they came from Obama, Sr. And, God knows, there are tons of holes in the rest of Obama’s supposed history.
OF course if Obama Sr. isn’t the biological father, that blows the hell out of the mythology and fictitious biography of our “citizen of the world” Commander in Cheat…er, I mean, Chief…and might ruin Leo’s work on the Kenyan citizenship aspect.
At any rate, it’s worth taking a look at an interesting photo at:
http://www.dittowire.com/.a/6a010534d2b08f970b010535bc9f4b970b-800wi
[MT: Let's pause and mention this is speculation...I don't want to be a depository for all the rumors. It's ok to bring ideas here, but always be clear we are just guessing because Obama is hiding everything.
I agree, however, that he sure doesn't bear much resemblance to BHO Sr. BHO Sr. had an innocent looking face, IMO--not that he was innocent. Obama Jr's face is long and mean.]
Maybe his race was a “mulate” a mix, and African was to the race in Africa/Kenya.
Wasn’t that in the time of McCarthy, where people were brought in front of the commission, to find out if they were communist. Maybe Marshall is the father, but they had to cover it up, to not get in trouble, because of his communist activism.
“I’ve been intrigued by Leo’s basic legal theory”
[MT:Did I miss something..is Leo moving forward with court action at this point?]
Miss T,
Can you be contacted privately, or do you only reply to public posts here….
With enormous gratitude for what you do,
ResiTyr
[MT: Got everything, will keep it hush--thanks!]
TK,
email sent to the address you provided. Another one is forthcoming.
I’ve been thinking about my prior comment…[Got it, never posted=) No worries]
[MT: Thanks! I've actually been looking at EBC, EBR, NAPHSIS etc....it is vital to understand the systems...]
HI Deputy AG Nagamine denies policies on nbc:
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/hi-attorney-generals-office-denies-policies-on-nbc/
[I now wonder why Leo Donofrio is so certain that Obama, Sr. IS the father!]
Leo is just acknowledging the legal presumption that a husband is the natural father. Since there is no evidence of an “appropriate action” to rebut that presumption . . . legally, BHO, Sr. is the natural father.
§584-4 Presumption of paternity. (a) A man is presumed to be the natural father of a child if:
(1) He and the child’s natural mother are or have been married to each other and the child is born during the marriage, or within three hundred days after the marriage is terminated by death, annulment, declaration of invalidity, or divorce, or after a decree of separation is entered by a court;
(2) Before the child’s birth, he and the child’s natural mother have attempted to marry each other by a marriage solemnized in apparent compliance with law, although the attempted marriage is or could be declared invalid, and:
(A) If the attempted marriage could be declared invalid only by a court, the child is born during the attempted marriage, or within three hundred days after its termination by death, annulment, declaration of invalidity, or divorce; or
(B) If the attempted marriage is invalid without a court order, the child is born within three hundred days after the termination of cohabitation;
(3) After the child’s birth, he and the child’s natural mother have married, or attempted to marry, each other by a marriage solemnized in apparent compliance with law, although the attempted marriage is or could be declared invalid, and:
(A) He has acknowledged his paternity of the child in writing filed with the department of health;
(B) With his consent, he is named as the child’s father on the child’s birth certificate; or
(C) He is obligated to support the child under a written voluntary promise or by court order;
(4) While the child is under the age of majority, he receives the child into his home and openly holds out the child as his natural child;
(5) Pursuant to section 584-11, he submits to court ordered genetic testing and the results, as stated in a report prepared by the testing laboratory, do not exclude the possibility of his paternity of the child; provided the testing used has a power of exclusion greater than 99.0 per cent and a minimum combined paternity index of five hundred to one; or
(6) A voluntary, written acknowledgment of paternity of the child signed by him under oath is filed with the department of health. The department of health shall prepare a new certificate of birth for the child in accordance with section 338-21. The voluntary acknowledgment of paternity by the presumed father filed with the department of health pursuant to this paragraph shall be the basis for establishing and enforcing a support obligation through a judicial proceeding.
(b) A presumption under this section may be rebutted in an appropriate action only by clear and convincing evidence. If two or more presumptions arise which conflict with each other, the presumption which on the facts is founded on the weightier considerations of policy and logic controls. The presumption is rebutted by a court decree establishing paternity of the child by another man. [L 1975, c 66, pt of §1; am L 1987, c 100, §3; am L 1995, c 106, §1; am L 1997, c 293, §42]
Case Notes
Legislature has not mandated that the presumption of paternity in subsection (a)(1) be rebutted before a paternity action against another man can be brought. 88 H. 159 (App.), 963 P.2d 1135.
Where no conflict existed between two or more subsection (a) presumptions, subsection (b), which calls for the resolution of conflicting subsection (a) presumptions, was not applicable to case and family court was not required to choose between conflicting presumptions. 88 H. 159 (App.), 963 P.2d 1135.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol12_Ch0501-0588/HRS0584/HRS_0584-0004.htm
See also,
§584-6 Determination of father and child relationship; who may bring action; when action may be brought; process, warrant, bond, etc.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol12_Ch0501-0588/HRS0584/HRS_0584-0006.htm
MT,
Very early this morning, I posted a comment about the social security number. I do not see it anymore. Is there a problem? Did I unknowingly violate your comments policy?
[MT: WordPress went down for a few hours last night. None of the admins could get in. Perhaps it was lost at that point? I am not sure what happened, please resubmit if you would like. I am sure it was not offensive or anything--if that's what you are worried about. It was a strange occurance indeed.]
TK,
Not sure if you saw this or not but you getting some press coverage.
http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m10d1-Hawaiian-Law-Demands-Obama-records-be-made-public
[MT: I had not seen this, thanks!]
I don’t believe that Leo’s position is that Obama Sr. is the “real” biological father, only that Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii (this in order to focus on the NBC elegibility issue). If it is later proven that Obama Sr. was not the biological father and yet Obama Jr. intentionally propogated that myth in order to eventually obtain elected office, then that is victory as well because Obama Jr. would have been exposed as a fraud. Imagine the outrage from campaign contributors and donors. Had they known who the “real Obama” is, would they have voted and donated monies to this person?. What criminal and civil liabailities may emerge as a result of exposing the truth.
Remember – Watergate was just a burglary on a politcal opponent’s offices. The cover-up by the administration is what brought down a sitting President. Imagine what this investigation could do not only to our current sitting President but to the politcal parties in control of our Republic???
Of course, we already know that the passport records have been tampered with during the break-in.
[MT: Got it...will answer you through email...]
MT:
I think perhaps you might want to consider a more “underground” approach. The information being noted here is starting to be taken “seriously” by more visual, creditable sources. The old adage,”it takes a thief” comes to mind as does “casting your pearls before swine”. (“Let him who has ears, hear”) As to HOW you go about becomming more “underground”, your intelligence far surpasses my own. The final outing of the truth will be hindered in your cause if more information is made too public. Your mission is too important to risk delay.
[MT: I have with held some information...]
MT – “BHO Sr. had an innocent looking face, IMO–not that he was innocent. Obama Jr’s face is long and mean.”
Dan. 8:23, speaking of antichrist: “A king shall arise having a fierce countenance.”
Perhaps the Lord is showing the world a “snapshot” of the real Mccoy.
The Indonesian school record shows a date of birth of 4/8/61. (In their system, I assume, as they do in Britain and Canada, they use the day, month, year order).
There would have been no point to lie about his date of birth at that point would there?
[MT: I am only telling you what Hawaii told me. As to why he may have changed his birth date--I couldn't tell you. I was not expecting that answer from them.]
It doesn’t matter who the biological father is. In the eyes of the law, Obama Sr is the father because they were married when the child was born (I presume they were married). This is why I find the paternity thread of investigation fruitless. Obama got his citizenship status through his legal father.
[MT: Exactly.]
Slamdunk, this latest Nobel thing made me think as well that we must be approaching the Apocalyptic times. It was just too weird and grotesque.
[MT: It smells of desperation to me.]
“Legal Father”?
Is that whomever may be on original BC? or possible amendment? or the marriage to Sr? or possible adoption by soetoro? or just because bo claims a person as his father? or…etc.??
it’s confusing who should be considered his “legal” father.
Geez, she missed 99% of the story.
And just for the record, I had no problems “connecting the dots.” I had to stomp my feet to get anyone to listen.
With so many possibilities who’s to say even though Ann and Sr were married that another name was not entered on original BC?
[MT: I am pretty sure the law at the time said that if the mother was married, the husband was to be listed as the father. I'm not 100% positive, but pretty certain I read that...]
Please forgive me for this long post, but the info is very important to all of us that “know” BO is a fraud and how important it is to reveal his lies. I am going to look more in depth into the SSN’s tied to him to see what I can come up with.
Please look at these interesting facts listed below:
Western Journalism.com
HomeClearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
[MT: You are forgiven and forgive me for truncating it. This has been posted and I have read it as well, the link will suffice...do you have a direct link you would like to provide? I didn't notice one.]
Ok, so my question is, if a couple is married and a woman has an affair and a baby comes of it does that make the husband the legal father?
would that happen if the husband had the affair and baby with another married woman? is the husband of “other woman” the legal father?
I see no difference in the case of an unwed woman. a marriage after conception to a man not the bio father doesn’t necessarily make the husband the “legal father”. It depends what is entered on the BC. imo
[MT: This law, I believe, has been revisited and with an affidavit from the parental parties, the correct identity of the father is more easily listed these days.]
Sure there would, if you didn’t want your son to realize that he is illegitimate, and/or that who he thinks is his father, isn’t. Parents have been known to protect their children that way.
Remember that Obama has said that he found his BC in a book, and he was shocked.
Who knows why these people did anything they did.
You’re right- sorry. When I saw that picture, it just unnerved me for the moment. The facts are coming fast and furiously. I am glad to see you, Citizen Jane, getting recognition for your hard work and so much input from all.
[I'll place this below as well.]
You’re right- sorry. When I saw that picture, it just unnerved me for the moment. The facts are coming fast and furiously. I am glad to see you, Citizen Jane, getting recognition for your hard work and so much input from all.
regarding 4:59 p.m. comment October 9, 2009
Here is the link on this amazing article:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=3255
[MT: It is a very good article! Thanks for the link!]
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=3255
Me too. For normal people, our first instinct is not to think a photo has been doctored. Then we remember what we are dealing with=)
Did you notice that it mentions in the article at the end:
Pictured: Barrack Obama and his Grandmother, Madelyn Dunham. “Madeline Dunham was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court probate department and had access to the Social Security numbers of deceased people.”
[MT: Yes and I think it's a very important point in lieu of everything we know...]
[Ok, so my question is, if a couple is married and a woman has an affair and a baby comes of it does that make the husband the legal father?]
Look at this U. S. Supreme Court Case:
Michael D. v. Gerald D.
http://supreme.justia.com/us/491/110/
[MT: I am amazed at 'legal' reasoning sometimes...]
Regarding the recent article at the Post and Mail:
“HI Attorney General’s Office denies policies on NBC”
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/hi-attorney-generals-office-denies-policies-on-nbc/
Could someone on this blog who is making OIP requests ask for the following: for all correspondence and communications that the attorney generals office as well as the health department has had regarding the terminology “Natural-Born”, “Natural-Born American” and “Natural-Born American Citizen”. If you do this please publishes your responses here on this blog.
Here is my line of reasoning: . I think it is clear that Fukino was trying to mislead with her choice of words. “Natural-born American citizen” could be construed to mean an American citizen born “Naturally” ie vaginal delivery . This is an obvious solution for a physcian like Dr. Fukino to choose. The next step would be for Dr. Fukino to get an opinion from the AG as to whether she was correct from a legal standpoint as far as her reply went. Yes, that would “prove” that the AG would have to be in on the conspiracy because clearly he would understand the difference between “Natural Born Citizen” and Natural-Born American Citizen” and that Dr. Fukino was trying to mislead and that would make him a co-conspirator by him approving the language in his opinion. It also implicates the deputy AG as well as he has to be aware of the nature of requests that are coming in at this point.
I would suggest that anyone who takes up this quest as well as the previous OIP requests cc them to the Republican legislators, the Ombudsman Office, along with Governor as well as the Newspapers and Hawaii Republican party leaders. I have enclosed the following names and addresses:
Lynn Finnegan
House Republican Leader
32nd Representative District
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 328
415 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96813
phone 808-586-9470; fax 808-586-9476
E-mail repfinnegan@Capitol.hawaii.gov
——————————————————————————–
Corinne W.L. Ching
27th Representative District
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 330
415 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96813
phone 808-586-9415; fax 808-586-9421
E-mail repching@Capitol.hawaii.gov
Barbara C. Marumoto
19th Representative District
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 304
415 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96813
phone 808-586-6310; fax 808-586-6311
E-mail repmarumoto@Capitol.hawaii.gov
——————————————————————————-
Kymberly Marcos Pine
43rd Representative District
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 333
415 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96813
phone 808-586-9730; fax 808-586-9738
E-mail reppine@Capitol.hawaii.gov
——————————————————————————-
Cynthia Thielen
Assistant Minority Leader
50th Representative District
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 443
415 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96813
phone 808-586-6480; fax 808-586-6481
E-mail repthielen@Capitol.hawaii.gov
Website http://www.cynthiathielen.com/
——————————————————————————-
Gene Ward
17th Representative District
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 318
415 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96813
phone 808-586-6420; fax 808-586-6421
E-mail repward@Capitol.hawaii.gov
——————————————————————————-
Fred Hemmings
25th Senatorial District
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 221
415 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96813
phone 808-587-8388; fax 808-587-7240
E-mail senhemmings@Capitol.hawaii.gov
——————————————————————————-
Sam Slom
8th Senatorial District
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 222
415 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96813
phone 808-586-8420; fax 808-586-8426
e-mail senslom@Capitol.hawaii.gov
Office of the Ombudsman
465 South King Street, 4th Floor
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Telephone: (808) 587-0770
Facsimile: (808) 587-0773
TTY: (808) 587-0774
e-mail: complaints@ombudsman.hawaii.gov
http://ombudsman.hawaii.gov/
Governor’s Office
http://hawaii.gov/gov/contact/email-governor/?searchterm=email%20governor
Governor’s Office
Phone: 808 586-0034
Fax: 808 586-0006
Hawaii Republican Party contact page:
http://www.gophawaii.com/about_us_v2.asp
The Honolulu Advertiser
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/current/help/contact
The Star Bulletin
http://www.starbulletin.com/info/
The Hawaii Tribune-Herald
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/
West Hawaii Today
http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/
The Mauii News
http://www.mauinews.com/
I would sugggest finding out some individual Hawaiian local or state government reporters and cc it to them specifically. Just getting one of them interested would start making waves and shake the tree by having them ask questions and or start writing about it.
Thanks to all for everybodys efforts.
Posted on Orly’s blog yesterday…”Here is an affidavit from a second licensed investigator -Susan Daniels. She provides an undeniable proof, that Obama has used a social security number of a deceased person, someone who was born in 1890 and lived in the state of CT.”
Posted on Orly’s blog from yesterday…”Here is an affidavit from a second licensed investigator -Susan Daniels. She provides an undeniable proof, that Obama has used a social security number of a deceased person, someone who was born in 1890 and lived in the state of CT.”
Is there anyway on your blog to list or archive:
1. All of the specific OIP requests that have been sent along with the specific replies.
2. The dates of the requests and dates of responses.
3. A listing of the requests that have not been responded to.
4. A summary of what we can infer from the responses to date as far as what we know and what we don’t know.
There is probably a blogger here who could help you set this up and or maintain it. Any takers?
[MT: I am working all those but this one: "3. A listing of the requests that have not been responded to."
We don't need to show all our cards..=)]
I contacted TK and I offered to do just this.
I am going to create a new email address that will protect my anonymity and publish it here that which persons can voluntarily forward their UIPA correspondence to. It will help me keep track of all the UIPA requests and responses. If you do not feel comfortable doing this (I totally understand, believe me)please by all means just post it on the blog and I’ll try to capture it.
Anything sent to me will be held in the strictest confidence. I will only summarize what is sent w/o any personal identification.
[MT: Let's collaborate on this because this really is a necessary thing to create. Will you put this list/timeline together from what you have online here and at Leo's. Organize it how you feel a person just walking into this would understand easily--include links and I will make them live on my end, etc... Start with the question I asked on July 27 and Fukino's answer. AND OF COURSE USE THE NEW UIPA REQUESTS PEOPLE ARE WRITING, TOO=)
Then I will fill in the holes that have not been posted online, but still have relevance. I do have some more to contribute.
Also, I have communication to add in a category of those we have reached out to for help and when and what were their responses (if any). I know you have a similar list started along these lines, too, so include your attempts to get a watchdog on this--be it press or otherwise--in there, too. When it comes time some of these people who should have been willing to help or listen will be singled out as FAILURES. Utter failures. They already are. We need to shame them. They should be embarrassed by their negligence AND incompetence! Look what we little guys have had to do.
And the Press, don't get me started on them. Now that I know that legitimate members of the press might have had 'tangible' interest in requesting his vital records. Good God!!! I am SICK! This could have been over ages ago. Who they heck does the press answer, too? They took part in the marginalization. Keep writing all the press,too, if they ignore you, or us or whoever, it should be noted. It will be handy later. We already have a mountain of evidence of an amendment with FOUR kinds of confirmations and evidence is now pointing to a DOB change. When we have this graph/timeline/list together, it will be apparent that the evidence is there and more is coming.
How does this sound? Too gentle?]
Under “presumed paternity” law, yes a white couple can birth a black baby, except today we can challenge through DNA testing. Watch Jerry Springer a few times.
MT,
Regarding the SS#, I want to offer some facts that I know to be true.
First Foreigners can (or at least could) obtain a valid American SS#. A good friend of mine who was in the US for 9 months on a student visa, applied and got one in 1985. The only difference that I could see was that her card mentioned “Not valid for employment”. I was also told that her number had an embeded two digit code identifying it as a number issued to a foreigner.
Few years later I remember very well asking the SS clerk of the office where my mother was applying for her SS# if she was going to be issued a new one once she got her green card. The answer was NO. The SS administration issues one number per person and that is it forever.
So if O was issued a number as a foreigner the two digit code (if such exists…) is still in there.
And may be all or part of the SS# applications submitted by foreigners from all the states were centralized processed in Connecticut.
By definition foreigners are not born in this country so a “state” has to be arbitrarily chosen for them.
I also submitted to BigGovernmentcom tip line. I received a confirmation from them at 15:08:
Date:Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:55:18 -0700
To:”feedback@breitbart.com”
Subject:Site FeedbackIf you want to play a part in exposing the greatest politcal cover-up since Watergate, possibly ever, I would suggest you to pay attention to the investigative efforts of these 2 citizens.
http://misstickly.wordpress.com
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com
[MT: Awesome Mike!
Epicurious, let's make sure we get this on the list/graph/timeline=)]
Thanks to all for clarifying the basis for the legal foundation of father with respect to status and category of citizenship. And thanks to TerriK for reminding us to keep the focus on her current mission. I still think that the “true” facts (sounds redundant but hints the multiplicity of layers herein) on Obama’s history are maddeningly opaque given the fact that he fairly young and they’re all so, well, recent.
[MT: Thank you. And for the record, personally I still don't rule out an adoption...it just may not be on file or on record in Hawaii,.=)]
Here is a classic observation on human behavior and a basis for radicalism everywhere, but applies to any group feeling totally helpless–and hopeless as is the feeling of a large segment of the U.S. population suffering the hopeless economy, hopeless rising unemployment rate, hopeless loss of voice.
“For where no hope is left, is left no fear.”
That is a double-edged sword from the somewhat hopeful poem, Paradise Regained, by Milton, and is just as powerful when it unites us as when Saul Alinsky made it the basis for his radical activism.
It’s amazing to me that the Pelosi crowd has so little insight into human nature, but I’m glad to see it evidenced for all to observe. By refusing to engage in honest dialogue,[MT: I love this point.] by belittling any opposition in any direction, they have essentially left half the country–or more–feeling hopeless.[MT: And ready to fight back.=)]
And if anyone understands the fearlessness that accompanies hopelessness, it is the radical organizers who built their very campaigns on first engendering a feeling of hopelessness in their constituents until the followers had the essential fearlessness to revolt.
Whereas they might have actually attempted to do some kind of good for the country as a whole, they have, instead, degenerated to the level of what one wit called the “mau-mau” blackmail and coercion politics of the Chicago machine and are spending their efforts trying to game the system for any and all personal power and concommitant wealth. How pathetic! And how revolting that they pretend to stand in the tradition of some black leaders who actually were leaders!
[MT: The point you are making is so important, I would like to add my 2¢.
Let's face it, we've had it. Together. This is what we have been dreaming & praying for: there are laws like UIPA that are on the people's side. We DO oversee the government and we get to know which records 'it' maintains legally or otherwise--within reason. We pay their bills.
Also, to add to your point, I want everyone reading my blog to understand that I am a liberal, very liberal--progressive, feminist and by using my brain instead of my fanaticism, I have rejected these attempts by 'them' to convince me that 'the right' is my enemy. It is marginalization. It's a total distraction.
First of all, my sister is conservative, so is her husband, AND they are TOTALLY cool people. Salt of the earth people. No one could argue to me that they are 'warmongers' and want to rape the earth of it's non-renewable resources. It's gotten so over the top. Also, there's no doubt we do have real enemies but when it comes to democrats and republicans, they aren't enemies at all. In fact, we find that they both pat each other's back, and sell out the people, cheat during elections, make deals behind closed doors to benefit their cronies and corporations--not the people--and BOTH are totally corrupt EQUALLY.
I so hope that we make enough of a difference-together-in this endeavor to show others that left and right, good or bad, share WAY more common ground than not. We have to heal this nation. Take it from me, 'the left needs to understand that 'the right' really has no patience for bad decisions either. We ALL have to become less partisan out of this and more able to critique our own 'players', IMO.
This is a truncated version of part of my own long term goals to result from my efforts. I hope you guys can adopt some of this if you don't already feel this way, too.
We need BIG change, really, really bad. We deserve it.]
This is fine. I have spent some time studying Leo’s blog today as well as yours. I am going to put together a spreadsheet based I what can glean from both blogs. This will allow us to sort the data and create timelines. You will be able to tell at a glance where your holes are and view the inconsistencies.
Proposed Fields:
Date of UIPA Request (if available)
Requestor(blog user name)
What was requested
Response from the DoH, OIP, etc.
Agency responding
Name of Responder
Date of response
Comments
This is going to take some time to compile. I should however have a rough draft by noonish PDT tomorrow. I’ll send it to you for your reivew and comment before I populate it with a bunch of data.
[MT: Don't put pressure on yourself with a deadline...I live with those at my job and they suck. Just work at a comfortable pace. AND THANK YOU! Sounds like an awesome plan!]
Mike_Atlanta just posted an email sent to BigGovernment.
I did the same thing yesterday and they closed the case without comment.
I emailed them to inquire as to why they closed it and received no response.
I would not get your hopes up.
[MT: No surprise there, but let's make a note of it.]
I sent Big Gov. an email tip & it’s been closed already too. I also have 3 UIPA requests that I haven’t heard a word on. One was sent in on the 4th & the other two were sent yesterday.
[MT: Thanks for trying--it really should be noted that three individuals tried this route. I am going to send you an email if you want to add your UIPA requests anonymously to the list we are compiling, I can redact your name and send them to Epicurious. We won't post any that have not yet been answered, so if you want to wait until then to send, that would be ideal!]
Starbucks,
I wasn’t aware of that ruling, but my question was from the view of what if the husband is Not wanting responsibility, since he is not the bio father? Maybe BO Sr was not aware of the pregnancy when he met SAD, they married, she quickly claims she’s pregnant and shortly after he realized- she’s too far along, not his, and that is why he distanced himself?
We see BO Sr as “father” on the COLB on line- but we don’t know if BO Sr. truly offered to be listed on original BC. From what I’ve read, he wasn’t “hands on” in BO Jr’s life at all. We don’t know that he was even in contact around the time of the birth- sure he still lived in HI, but 2 weeks later SAD and BO Jr were in WA. Maybe BO Sr had no clue about legal ramifications of remaining married but not being part of the picture?
I figure we can’t take it as fact his name was the original name listed. all we see is COLB put on the internet – and we know it’s riddled with questionable info. Just cause BO Jr claims BO Sr as father in his books and internet COLB does not mean much, since BO Jrs words don’t mean much as he twists and changes them so much.
I figure back in the 60’s SAD and her family did as they felt was best with the situation, not knowing that 20, 30 and almost 50 years later, all the other decisions BO Jr or family members would make that would land us where we are right now.
I am thankful MT has done so much and so many others have taken on the challenge too, to get to the root of what Ann and her family actually did do, so we can put to rest the COLB stuff and move on to other issues with BO Jr.
Same thing happened with me, on October 4th.
My fear is that Americans don’t have the persistence to think through a game of Mastermind, where there’s no smoking gun except a combination of ten million different “No records match” and “We deny you access” statements. It’s more brain-power than most Americans are willing to use on anything besides NFL. Glenn Beck, Breitbart, etc are not going to report anything unless and until it’s airtight and an easy GOTCHA type thing to explain. America is too dumbed-down for much else.
That, right there, is our biggest challenge. In a court of law these answers would matter. But we don’t have anybody in government or law enforcement who gives a rip.
SOLIDARITY…is what is needed. This is a critical point that was posted on Leo’s blog today. Before the people can overcome the impediments government is imposing on us to constrain us, we need single purpose to find the truth above all else, regardless of party affiliation, politcal ideology, personal interests and conseqences. The truth will set you free!
Fifty-six Founders of this nation, two of which were from my great State of Georgia, placed their names on the Declaration of Independence because they saw tyranny for what it was – evil. Many of them lost their livelihoods and suffered personal consequences including death.
Whether it is complacency or that we are just too busy in our daily lives to notice, but a tyrannical presence has taken over the institutions that were set up to govern our Republic. The checks and balances that ensure fairness, liberty and justice have been slowly eroding before our eyes. Our leaders have sold us out (our debt will enslave us to foreign debt holders for generations).
It is time for a Refounding of our great Republic – in solidarity lets commit ourselves to DRAIN THE SWAMP that is Washington, DC!
It doesn’t matter so much how complicated it is now that we are letting it unfold in real time between mine and Leo’s blog…
…history has shown these thing to be quite complicated but they come out in the wash eventually.
There is more to come. We are only talking about records at this point–we haven’t begun talking about how irregular this behavior is coming out of Hawaii and those implications.
And actually, the dam has burst–there’s no turning back and it’s too much to take in right now–think long term…
A last thought and I’ll move on.
MT – you are thinking there was a date change due to responses from your requests.
so- SAD may have had BO Jr before even meeting Sr…..so, again another name could be on original BC. BO Sr could have nothing to do with COLB stuff other then internet COLB – which we all know has problems.
MT Do you have confirmation from requests that father’s name was not amended?
Has anyone heard for certain from requests or whatever that father has not been amended?
We shouldn’t assume Sr, just cause on line COLB says so and definitely not assume it just cause BO Jr says so.
sorry – my above post should be with the line of responses to the following post.
Hallelujah & Amen, Mike!=)
Why can’t we do a simple survey to all the people..
1 question….
If Osama Bin Laden came to the USA and got a citizen pregnant…does that baby have the right to be POTUS?
Maybe we can ask Hawaii this..
In my dream world, all of this would help us to create a third political party. Any ideas for names? We need to take back our country and get the Democrats and Republicans out of power. They no longer represent we the people.
Oh MT…by the way …I sent email to Ha.
…….
RE: UIPA request
From: Janice Okubo (janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov)
Sent: Sat 10/10/09 12:45 PM
To: name reacted
‘Fukino, Chiyome L.’ (chiyome.fukino@doh.hawaii.gov)
The department has no records responsive to your request.
From: Name reacted [mailto:@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:31 AM
To: Okubo, Janice S.; Fukino, Chiyome L.
Subject: UIPA request
Dear Dr. Fukino,
Under the Uniform Information Practices Act of the State of Hawaii, “…the people are vested with the ultimate decision-making power. Government agencies exist to aid the people in the formation and conduct of public policy. Opening up the government processes to public scrutiny and participation is the only viable and reasonable method of protecting the public’s interest. Therefore the legislature declares that it is the policy of this State that the formation and conduct of public policy—the discussions, deliberations, decisions, and action of government agencies—shall be conducted as openly as possible’
I request an electronic copy of the proof offered to establish/verify ‘Date of Birth’ as required, for an amendment to be made to President Obama’s birth certificate. Please send the proof as offered or as filed if it was abstracted. If these records are already public, please give me directions on where to find them.
This request is a Hawaii UIPA (Uniform Information Practices Act) request under section 92F-12.
Thank you,
D
How about set term limits or let’s commit ourselves to vote all incumbents regardless of party out of office in the next election cycles? Unless they are willing to step forward and assist in exposing the fraud and corruption they should all be gone. Being complicit also makes one guilty, so let’s vow to kick ‘em all out.
wow, thanks…=)I have not heard back from them yet…
I wonder why? I did send mine in to appeal with the OIP, but I also asked for clarification from the DoH.
Thanks for sharing it! More irregular behavior.
FYI
Obama’s Attorney General, Eric Holder’s propaganda unit.
The Obama Justice Department’s Secret Blogging Team… Is it Illegal?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/15529
The Government is the enemy when it conducts psyops on the innocent.
From your statement of reassurance that “more will come” and “the dam has burst” I am hopeful and very excited. Thank you and everyone involved for what you are doing. I do wonder: The DoH is getting pounded with requests regarding birth; are there any other agencies (state, county, federal(IRS) that might have records we could request under UIPA or FOIA? What about having someone “on the ground” looking through materials other than DoH? Census records; tax- income, property, etc. I realize the birth record is the key and you most likely have that nailed, but I can’t help thinking about – while we wait- what else is there we can do. Thank you again for your efforts.
Not unless OBL, became a USA naturalized-citizen, minutes before the birth.
just a question re: wording of requests. Could they be denying because the amendment was not for “president” obama’s BC, but listed under his name?
Also would they be required to release a “copy” of the proof or just those index data type notations?
well then why can Obama be potus….his father didn’t necome a usa naturalized-citizen
See my point..
Is there any way to get someone to admit this…like someone from the SCOTUS?
Yes…and a rather fast response too… and on a Saturday to boot!
Here’s an interesting link which I have not seen before:
http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8897
Notice how this article says that Stanley took baby Barack to Washington state shortly after his birth. This is true, even though most biographies of Obama say his parents were together until he was two.
Interesting photo of the home where they lived in Washingting. Interesting words written on the photo: Pontius Frank Supl (?)
Frank?
Why did her father insist on moving her to Hawaii almost as soon as she graduated high school, even though she was accepted at a college in Chicago?
[MT: Yes, this always stuck out in my mind...I remember reading this one..]
Should I send it again with his full name
Minus president?
http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/part-4-continued-4b-barack-obama-the-unauthorized-biography-of-a-marxist-obama-sr-and-stanley-ann-dunham-11-months-in-hawaii/
This link is to an unauthorized biography of Obama and family, which I have never seen before. I haven’t read it all yet, but the page above and the prior one concerns Stanley Ann’s life 1960/61.
http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8897
Another link, which I thought I sent already, but which disappeared. This is an essay about Stanley Ann’s time in Washington, after her son’s birth. First story I’ve seen that admits she went to WA right after his birth and that she lived there and went to college there–she didn’t live with her husband, if he was her husband.
Look at the photo of the house she lived in when he was a baby. Why are those words, including the word FRANK, written on the photo? Any idea what those words mean?
This essay makes me wonder why her father would not let her attend college in WA, or in Chicago where she had been accepted, but instead he whisked her off to Hawaii right after graduation.
One might suspect that perhaps she was already preggers? If so, then might that explain why she left the Hawaiian University after the Fall semester? Might the birth have actually taken place early in 1961?
Read the interviews with her high school chums, in this essay and the unauthorized biography I linked also. Notice that Obama Sr.’s college friends don’t remember him dating Ann, except for Abercrombie, who is now a politician and a big Obama supporter (and fellow tale teller?).
There are sources listed at the end of this essay, which may have other interesting information. We need to put on our thinking caps and try to pull this jigsaw together.
MT: It is interesting that the dates for Stanley Ann seem to have been “synchronized” in the same way that all references to his birth at Queen’s have been scrubbed and replaced with Kapiolani. I know that last year I found different ages/birth dates given for his mother. Always off by a year or two. Maybe someone else saved the pages?
http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8897
This is the third time I’ve tried to send this link. I hope this one goes through. It’s an interesting essay about Stanley Ann’s time in WA, right after Obama was born. She didn’t live with her husband. There is a photo of the house where she lived with the baby, and on the photo is written the word “Frank” along with other words that make no sense to me. Any guesses as to the meaning?
It seems that SAD’s records have been synchronized on the Web, in the same way that references to Queen’s Medical Center have all been changed to Kapiolani. Last year, I found many sources that gave varied ages/birthdates for SAD. Off by a year or so. Maybe someone else saved pages?
Wow! That was fast & like you said on a Saturday to boot! I wonder why some come back so quickly & others take awhile….maybe the more “on the right track” we are the harder it is for them to answer quickly. I also wonder how many of these UIPA requests they are receiving now that people know about them. It’s got to be getting pretty hairy for them.
I sent another link that went to spam. Here it is for the fourth time. I’m giving up after this.
http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8897
This link has an essay and a photo of the house SAD and baby lived in in WA:
http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?
DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8897
Tell me what the words written over the photo of the house mean. “Frank” is one word. Any ideas?
[MT: It says, "pontius frank supi." I found a reference to Frank Pontius in Pacific Northwest from the late 1800s here:
http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofseattle03bagl/historyofseattle03bagl_djvu.txt
I think it just speak to how old the photo is....]
MT,
This is becoming weird.
Again today I sent a comment about the SS#. I saw it posted on my end, and now it has disappeared from the blog. Do you have a moderation cave where I could have ended up?
Kathy,
Re: Third Political Party
A third party is certainly one solution to uniting, but there are other possibilities as well. Some of us were just beginning to discuss the possibilities on Leo’s blog. (He allowed us to post).
I commented:
A man touring a mental institution noticed that there were only three guards watching over 100 dangerous patients.
He asked the guards, “Aren’t you afraid that they’ll overpower you and escape?”
“No,” answered one of the guards. “Lunatics never unite.”
Obama doesn’t have to divide and conquer us; like lunatics, we are divided.
“A downtrodden class will never make an effective protest until they achieve Solidarity.” H. G. Welles.
When the time comes, TerriK and Leo are going to need a lot of support. We’re going to need big numbers and we’ll have to make a big noise. For that we have to recruit on other blogs and unite, so that we can speak with one voice, on cue.
Misstickly, are you in agreement?
To follow the discussion up to this point, please go to: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com
See Leo’s entry: “Obama Opposed The Born Alive Infant Protection Program”
Find Ladysforest comment for October 9, 2009 at 11:22 PM, followed by Umbamboozleus comment at 7:26 AM on Oct. 10.
Then scroll down to read my posts (LoCicero) on unity and solidarity; Leo’s comments; and Ladysforest again.
My email address is posted there; please contact me. Ladysforest has already done so, and a few others.
I’d like to get this off the ground. Anyone who has any thoughts, give them to me; I’ll take responsibility for being the point of contact on this project.
But this shouldn’t distract from misstickly’s efforts; it should be done off this site and she should stay focused on what she’s doing.
Misstickly, do you approve?
I only have a few taboo words marked for filter–what are you trying to post? heh, heh….
Any woman actualizing herself is fine with me…who am I to insist you share my exact views?
Yes, this is fine info to pass on to those interested…
For those of you sending UIPA requests, I recommend that you use Obama’s full legal name as we know it:
Barack Hussein Obama II
or if you wish, Barak Hussein Soetoro
If the response comes back “no records match your request” then you can try variations.
I suspect unless it is an exact match the DoH will refuse to disclose whether or not they have a record. The DoH is playing a shell game.
I can almost guarantee you using “President Obama” will net nothing. Other than the 7/27 press release, The DoH literally has no records that include “President”
We should standardize the requests by molding around the ones that have netted the most relevant information so far to minimize the volleying back and forth by the DoH. This could go on for months. Perhaps someone could develop and present a standard format for all us to use.
My 2 cents worth.
Sorry spelling error. I meant “Barack Hussein Soetoro”
I went to Leo’s site and I don’t see where he has endorsed this. At this point I don’t know who to trust. If you can get MissTickly and Leo to vouch for you, I’ll send you my e-mail address. I’m sorry if this offends you, but were up against so pretty big stuff. I really do want to help. Like MissTickly I’m not who you think I might be. I was a PUMA as well.
We do have an audience. I approached a major conservative website that is read by millions and they are very interested in this. I plan to submit a draft article to the editor by the end of next week.
Perfect system. Will help me immensely. :>}
TK
Please don’t post the reply comment awaiting moderation from “CC” (initials)
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Ok resent with all 3! even the mispelled one…
Perfect system. This will help me immensely. :>)
I see it loud and clear!
okay so this is the 2nd time my name has been changed to thid wth?
you guy and gals are too much… Those poor people at the DoH are getting just getting bombarded! They are going to regret not being forthcoming with the information requested. ILMAO!!!
This website has a good overview of the issues and criteria that establish whether one is a “natural born citizen” for anyone coming late to the discussion OR anyone wanting to create a good flow chart or decision tree to augment the text so people can get a handle on what’s already been covered.
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm
I am a quasi libertarian/conservative. I could not be more delighted that we are seeing people of all political persuasions or ideologies unite for a common cause. Talk about “bi-partisanship” or perhaps more likely “multi-partisanship”! We participants may be witnessing a truly historic moment. Only time will tell as we will be measured by our success in achieving our common goal.
Only cooperation, collaboration, and compromise will get us out of the hell hole that DC has created without our explicit consent.
Power to We the People!! I am starting to feel like I am at a tea party! No kool aid, thanks.
(sorry, too much coffee today…)
Michele Obama stated that Stanley Ann Dunham was “very young and very single” when Obama was born so why are many commentators here assuming otherwise and that she was married? See the article on MSNBC’s website quoting Mrs. Obama at:
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/VeryYoungAndVerySingle.mht
Doesn’t this also throw off many of the arguments that Obama, Sr. is the presumed father, even if he weren’t the biological one, because he was also not married to Dunham at the birth of the child?
Some questions to guide thought process:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/uscode/
08USC1401 Nationals and Citizens of USA at Birth
08USC1409 – Children born out of wedlock
1. Are we saying if a single unwed non-USA-citizen woman gives birth, on USA soil, that child is:
a. NBC and eligible for POTUS
b. a USA citizen BUT NOT eligible for POTUS
2. Are we saying if a single unwed woman, a naturalized USA citizen, gives birth, on USA soil, that child is:
a. NBC and eligible for POTUS
b. a USA citizen BUT NOT eligible for POTUS
3. Are we saying if a USA citizen woman married to a non-citizen man gives birth, on USA soil, that child is:
a. NBC and eligible for POTUS
b. a USA citizen BUT NOT eligible for POTUS
c. Not a USA citizen
4. Are we saying if a married man and woman, both USA citizens, gives birth, on USA soil, that child is:
a. NBC and eligible for POTUS
b. a USA citizen BUT NOT eligible for POTUS
5. Are we saying if a USA citizen woman, under age 19( or not yet 21) married to a non-citizen man over age 21, gives birth, on USA soil, that child is:
a. NBC and eligible for POTUS
b. a USA citizen BUT NOT eligible for POTUS
c. Not a USA citizen
1. none of the above
2.depends on father…
3.b
4.a
5.b
Katy,
Did you find my posts on Leo’s site? If you did, see these comments:
10/9: Ladysforest: 11:22 PM;
10/10: Unbamboozleus: 7:26AM; Locicero: 9:59AM; LoCicero: 11:38AM; Ladysforest:1:32PM:
(Leo says, “I totally agree with both of you.”) Finally:
LoCicero: 2:34 PM – Leo allowed my email address to be posted; his way of endorsing my effort. Ladysforest & a few others then contacted me.
You’re absolutely right to be suspicious, but please understand that Leo allowed us to go forward and misstickly moderated my comments and allowed them to post.
Now,what the heck is a PUMA?
[MT: I had not seen this...I am not meaning to moderate anyone. I suspect this is happening because it's a new blog. I only flag really ugly words...]
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/doh-reverses-course-releases-index-data-for-president-obama-stanley-ann-and-barack-sr-no-records-for-maya-exist/
The law at the time of BHO’s supposed birth stated that in order to transfer her US nationality to an offspring the mother had to be living at least 5 years continuously in the United States from her 14th birthday. In that case Obama would have US citizenship, but still does not qualify NBC!
I am just curious as to whether the amendment to Obama’s vital records will show that he attempted to push his birth date forward to get around the 5 year legal statute.
A little late to the party???? PUMA Stands for Party Unity My Ass. It is an acronym invinted by the blogger SM77 mid-June 2008, in reaction to the DNC rules and bylaws comittee decision on May 31, 2008 and all the propaganda for party unity after they robbed Hillary from the nomination. This grassroot movement later evolved to represent an opposition movement to Obama with was non partisan. It is now mostly a non partisan appelation of opposition to governement take-over.
[MT: Some of us went Right, some Moderate--I went Left...I believe in protecting our civil liberties too much to just 'get on board.'=)]
MT, Leo, and all the others… CONGRATS.
With your help we are getting very close, so close that the Obamafile this morning attracted attention to the fact that the infamous Fightthesmears website is up again altogether with a page dedicated to the “BC” and the citizenship.
Yey… The Nobel prize has an Emperor and he is British.
TK,
Draft sent.
[Thanks I will take a look! thanky, thanky!]
My prior comment about Leo’s “basic legal theory” was a simply a reference to his arguments regarding the constitutionality of a dual-citizen becoming POTUS. I’m a lawyer and find his arguments persuasive, but I’m not hopeful about success in a courtroom. Even so the fight is worth fighting– Americans don’t give up.
My instincts tell me if Obama is to be dislodged, it will likely begin with citizen pressure brought about by the clear presentation of damning evidence. The court of public opinion is extremely powerful. We just need the right people to be convinced of the rightness of the cause.
[MT: Ah, thanks for clarifying...I am just anxious to see some court action around UIPA=)]
Terri K, earlier you said, “And the Press, don’t get me started on them. Now that I know that legitimate members of the press might have had ‘tangible’ interest in requesting his vital records. Good God!!! I am SICK! ”
Has somebody from Hawaii government said that, for instance, a reporter from CNN could have requested and received Obama’s vital records? If so, on what do they base that, and how do they decide who is a “legitimate member of the press”?
Regarding the PUMAs and the strange bedfellows we all are: When Hillary was running I thought she would claim “sexism” the same way that Obama claims “racism”. The identity politics is so harmful to all of us, dividing us into little groups each wanting special perks rather than all of us wanting justice for all of us. But when I saw Obama repeatedly and deliberately flip off Hillary and get a free pass on it, and then when I saw Palin being asked for her OB records while Obama had a dr just say he’s fine… I realized we do have sexism issues to deal with. Mostly with the media – those tolerant, objective do-gooders who tell us all how racist and sexist WE are.
Things are so cloudy it’s hard to trust anybody. But I am thankful that people of all different persuasions who love the separation of powers, checks and balances, accountability, etc embodied in our Constitution are standing up for those foundations which have allowed us to peacably negotiate our other differences.
The communist agenda is to destabilize this country by getting us to doubt that our foundations are still workable and still resonate with the vast majority of our people. I think Obama is finding out that a lot of us love our foundations and will give up a heck of a lot before we’d ever give them up.
[MT: oops, sorry, they can only VERIFY vital events with an agency--which would have been very helpful of them. Qualifying people could have/can verifiy every single bit of info in the COLB....including what "Date Filed by Registrar' means... I wonder if my blog would qualify?
(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:
(5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes. [L 1949, c 327, §22; RL 1955, §57-21; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; am L 1967, c 30, §2; HRS §338-18; am L 1977, c 118, §1; am L 1991, c 190, §1; am L 1997, c 305, §5; am L 2001, c 246, §2
I will have to look up what qualifies as a 'social agency.'I have asked Fukino to correct any mischaracterizations on my blog....
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.HTM
]
For whatever reason those who control the flow of news on the right side of the aisle decided this story was akin to Trutherism. That appellation—“Birther”–devastated this effort. It turned it from a legitimate effort to uncover the truth about a presidential candidate with a sketchy bio to the land of rightwing crackpots, a land no one can live in for long lest they forgo their Fox News contributor checks and see their columns languish. Nevermind the effort was really begun in earnest by middle-of-the-road traditional Democrat Hillary supporters who suspected Obama had gamed the system and abused their candidate, not John Birchers.
I wouldn’t get too upset at Breitbart and his Big Gov. cronies, not yet. It’s certainly disappointing and frustrating, but at this juncture they can’t touch this story lest they marginalize themselves as Birthers. That doesn’t mean they won’t ever consider this story, it just means the case has to be built and taken to them. If it’s PROVEN Obama told substantial lies about his pedigree, whether the lies impact his eligibility for office or not, Breitbart and those like him will come running. When the time is right, they’ll consider it—and probably act like they knew it all along. Getting the attention of the conservative intelligentsia and media is all about tone and strategy. We can take a lesson from Field of Dreams here–build the case and they’ll come. Packaged and air tight, the truth won’t be ignored.
Not only is the Fightthesmears BC web-page back up….they are also running ‘Obama Born in Hawaii’ Google ads imbedded on youtube videos and other webpages that link to the fightthesmears BC web-page….My question is; Are our tax-dollars paying for these ads?
side note; After TerriK pointed out the text at the bottom of O’s COLB, I went and dug up an article from WND that compares Obama’s COLB with a COLB from the 60’s….take note of the Accepted by… at the bottom of each COLB> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=101483
TerriK, Thanks for your dedication to the Truth….
I failed to say that if we can’t convince the conservative gatekeepers, we’ve got no shot with the mainstream media. Convince rightwing power first and the mainstream media will be forced take a look because they can’t stand to made to look the fool. Moderate guys like Lou Dobbs and Mort Kondracke will notice and speak, as will smart liberals with integrity like Camille Paglia. Only then will it begin to cascade throughout the rest of the media. Matthews and Olby will be last to the party, if they ever arrive. It’s possible they’ll end in madness like Dan Rather–years later filing lawsuits in a feeble attempt to prove they were right.
Of course, all of this is only my theory.
Nellie said:
“Glenn Beck, Breitbart, etc are not going to report anything unless and until it’s airtight and an easy GOTCHA type thing to explain. America is too dumbed-down for much else.”
I fear that they are being threatened in a most convincing way. There can be no other reason why the would ignore the cry of so many people. We are not a partisan group, as evidenced here. I am an conservative and I can no longer see any party who represents my interests.
Michelle was engaging in an Alinsky diversion because of what was happening in the blogsphere around the time that she made that statement. It was spin. It may be true; it may be a complete fabrication. But if they weren’t married, then the Hawaiian DoH misled Leo Donofrio and his mother misled the courts, because she did get a divorce from Obama Sr. Obama similarly obfuscated in his book, when he said something to the effect that he didn’t know whether his parents were married or not, and he never investigated to find out.
I am not a lawyer or anything close…but my son just took his driver’s test, and had to bring a lot of paperwork (birth certificate, social security card) to prove who he was. While there, i saw a foreigner applying with a foreign passport. I noticed on the form that we filled out that dmv notes the type of id you bring. DO you think that Barry Soetoro applied for a license in Honolulu and that any records for that would be accessible?
Just wondering
[MT: I honestly have no idea...I 'heard' he didn't get a license until Chicago...]
Does anyone know if Obama published his birthdate in “Dreams From My Father” or the date/year he attended various schools? This book was published in 1995, a full two years before he was elected to the Illinois State Senate. If he did try to change his birthdate as some are speculating, it would explain why all of his records have been kept secret.
Lisa, great commentary.
The thing that these neo-Marxist/Commies don’t factor into their plan is that they aren’t dealing with Russians, Germans, Poles, Czechs, Vietnamese, Koreans or anybody else on this globe where they have tried to cow a population.
No, sorry, guys and gals (Pelosi, take note). You forgot that the American people are BY DESCENT a self-selected population of independent-minded, risk-taking, liberty-loving, bravehearted streetfighters.
You will find herding cats to be far easier than subjugating We the People of the UNITED States of America.
We will find a way to win and we will never, ever give up or give in. NEVER.
i read an article on marchreport and CFP that claim that the stories regarding the birch certificate have all been squashed. The articles imply that there have been threats of retaliation from on high. I, personally, believe that the issue of our constitutional integrity is too important, and that if the willing media stood strong and reported the info that the truth would prevail. I am disappointed in the weakness being shown on all levels of the media and the government. What happened to intellectual curiosity?
Braveheart has it all summed up:
My instincts tell me if Obama is to be dislodged, it will likely begin with citizen pressure brought about by the clear presentation of damning evidence…. We just need the … people to be convinced of the rightness of the cause.
It’s the “Clear presentation of damning evidence” that does it. People form attitudes quickly and the attitudes “harden” quickly–and arguing just makes them harder. In the campaign so much was out there and so many were busy obfuscating and feelings were high–nothing could stick. Timing is everything to getting the damning evidence to stick! Now the honeymoon is over, more people have a moment when the evidence gets to be too much. The ACORN videos were perfect timing, the perfect flanking assault, boring from below just like MT and Leo. If they had come out too early, they would have been kissed off like the BAIPA. If they had all come out at once, the bounce from them wouldn’t have been sustained long enough for momentum.
I’ve been studying blog comments all year just as an exercise in watching social groups form and interact. There’s definitely a resurgence of trolls as in the campaign. Somebody is still vigilant on the dark side, and getting worried perhaps. My advice is, don’t argue, don’t belittle them, meet them with truth and then ignore them.
could the lawyer’s “example” be based on fact?
“A lawyer in a Chicago law firm whose partner served on a finance committee for then Sen. Obama has advocated for the elimination of the U.S. Constitution’ s requirement that a president be a “natural-born” citizen, calling the requirement “stupid” and asserting it discriminates, is outdated and undemocratic.” (hat tip constitutionallyspeaking)
“Moreover, many people would probably agree that a natu-ralized citizen who is born abroad and adopted by American parents at the age of three months and goes to American schools would have better quali-fications to be president….”
From
AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE
SARAH P. HERLIHY∗
Maybe it WAS 1:06 pm. In Kenya.
http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8897
http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8926
Two links I tried to post last night, perhaps when WordPress was acting up. They might be repetitive. They both contain a photo of the apartment complex where SAD and infant Obama lived in WA in 1961. Words are printed on top of the photo. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what they mean? One word is “Frank.”
The articles have comments by friends and neighbors. I’d like to know why her father thought it so important to take her to Hawaii right after graduation from high school, despite that she wanted to attend college in WA or CHICAGO, where she’d been accepted for admission. Might she have already been preggers?
Somewhere, either in these articles or in that unauthorized biography that I linked elsewhere in this post, a friend of hers stated that she was supposed to join Obama in Hawaii. The friend was interacting with her in WA. So, is it possible that she did go to Canada to give birth because she had no health insurance and as the spouse of a UK subject, she could get care there for free? After the birth, she intended to go back to Hawaii, but didn’t for some reason. I read that she found out about the other wife around that time. Could that be why her plans changed, or was it all a smokescreen in the first place?
“In 1960, the year my parents were married, miscegenation still described a felony in over half the states…”
Dreams From My Father
http://books.google.com/books?id=TFwulcQbUDEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=dreams+from+my+father#v=onepage&q=&f=false
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Canada Free Press says before the election Obama’s attorney met with network heads who then threatened everybody on staff if they said anything about the eligibility issue or had anybody on their shows who mentioned it. They say they’ve got documents corroborating the claims by both a secretary who was present at the meeting and a talk show host who has written a statement about it.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13373
Sort of makes me think of the recent “visit” between David Axelrod and Ailes of Fox. And the gag order Lou Dobbs received. Etc.
Sarah P. Herlihy was, and probably still is, employed by Kirkland & Ellis in Chicago. One of the main partners, Bruce Ettelson, donated $4000 to then Senator Obama and also was a member of the Finance Committee of Senator Obama. We should really look into all of this. Mitchell Langbert wrote about this in his blog.
http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com/2008/12/was-sarah-herlihy-plant.html
epicurious
Here is a link to read the book..
http://books.google.com/books?id=TFwulcQbUDEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=dreams+from+my+father#v=onepage&q=&f=false
It also has a search for words in the book….
See if this will help out…
Does anyone know what these two items mean? I found them at http://www.oilforimmigration.org
Orly has just filed a Rico Ricardo!!!: Important- Filed today – Thanks Redd
Posted on October 11th, 2009 by David-Crockett
The Federal Courts Are Committing Treason to the Constitution per Chief Justice John Marshall
Posted on October 11th, 2009 by David-Crockett
Sorry that I posted that link so many times. It was frustrating, trying to figure out why the system rejected that comment but none of my others. It will remain a mystery. Good sleuthing on the Frank Pontius deal. I found that he owned land in Seattle in 1945, so the photo is probably from a land office or something. Shoot. I thought I was onto something.
what is a “rico ricardo”?
Sounds like something from “I Love Lucy”
I googled it and nothing pertaining to a legal action came up??????
some true and verified info about social security numbers obtained by foreigners.
MT. even my reply does not post. I have some info about the SS#.
RICO Act – Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act. Reserved especially for gangsters.
Here’s the link…
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=4830
Also, lead plaintiff has requested Gary Kreep to dismiss himself from the case pending with Judge Carter. It appears that this attorney wants nothing more than to sabotage Orly’s efforts (beware false sentinels!)
Its RICO = Civil RICO lawsuit
Ok, fourth trial!
A foreigner can (or at least could) legally apply and obtain a valid SS#. In 1985, a friend of mine who was in the US on a student visa, applied and got one.
The only difference I could see was that on her card, above the SS#, it was mentioned “Not valid for employment”.
I was also told that the SS# issued to foreigners had a two digit code embeded in them. (not sure if that’s true.
Later I specifically remember asking the SS clerk if my mother was going to be issued another SS# once she got her green card. The answer was NO. The SS administration issues one number per person and that’s all forever. So if Obama got a SS as a foreigner and if there is indeed an embeded code, it is still there.
Also I wonder if all or part of the foreigner application were not centralized in Connecticut.
As for the driving license, foreigners can get one. They changed the rules to make it more difficult and temporary. But back in the 80’s, you could get a regular driving license while being a foreign student.
MT,
I tried four times… My comment about the SS# does not post… Scary. Please contact me.
My comment hasn’t posted either.
[MT: Sorry: I had to step away this weekend to get some real-life work done!=}
“The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:
An individual [MissTickly]… endorsed, or sponsored by a …social …organization [MissTickly's Blog] who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the …organization [MissTickly's Blog] for …educational purposes.”
I think you qualify as “an individual…”
I think your blog qualifies as a “social organization…”
I think you seek “to confirm information about a vital event… in preparation of reports or publications by the …organization [MissTickly's Blog] for …educational purposes.”
Hence, the DoH “shall issue a verification” to MissTickly…
Here is more on the report regarding the threat letter sent to the major media outlets regarding the Natural Born Citizen topic; Canada Free Press working with North East Intelligence has documents and testimony of Major News anchors from MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CNN, CBS and FOX were threatened by Obama Administration staff, NOT to bring up the BC or Natural Born Citizen issue.
They state that they are storing documents in the US and copies in Canada, and maybe one other Country, the investigator is no amateur.
part 1
http://www.therothshow.com/demos/recent/hour1Aug0709.mp3
part 2
http://www.therothshow.com/demos/recent/hour2Aug0709.mp3
part 3
http://www.therothshow.com/demos/recent/hour3Aug0709.mp3
Thirty-five years ago, U.S. President Richard M. Nixon submitted his letter of resignation for his role in the scandal. There was the crime – the break-in, and then there was the cover-up by the Nixon administration. There were threats, media manipulation and disinformation.
http://homelandsecurityus.com/?p=2966
See RICO ACT
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20921230/KEYES-BARNETT-v-OBAMA-84-Request-for-judicial-notice-filed-by-Plaintiffs-10-11-09RFJN?autodown=pdf
Greetings everyone here,
I have a question and want to find out if anyone here knows of this. The first time that I found this was on theobamafile.com.
Back many months ago, I think the date was like March 6th or something like that, because March sticks into my mind since my b-day is in March, there was something that the obama file had posted. It was about BO’s attorneys arguing with the judge in the Berg case that if BO’s birth certificate and records were shown, that it would be a huge embarrassment to BO and the DNC and might ruin the DNC.
So does anyone else remember this statement? This was something directly from the attorneys arguing with the judge over this issue.
thanks
I have never had any prolems posting.
My comments have always the following:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Thank you Borderraven…
Not sure where the “ricardo” came into this but…
I read it….do you think it may apply here?
Yes…I remember it.
I used to have the quote, so do you have it and if so, can you post it here, please?
thanks
Okay,
I wanted to look at the birth timeline in regard to some of the speculation that BHO is trying to change his birthdate for some reason. I wanted to see what the man himself has to say about his past so I went to the library and checked out “Dreams From My Father”. I scanned it looking for relevant dates and events.
Honestly, it is just as opaque as everything else. There are hardly any defined periods, he make no reference to his birthdate, birthplace, and there are inconsistencies between his accounting and Wikipedia (I know, not the most accurate source but neither is Obama). I ended up speculating my own bad self while wrote this So I will detail my findings in my next comment as this one getting really long already.
Also, I looked at the motive for him to change his birthdate, and the ONLY reason he would do so would be to claim NBC status under the 14th Amendment which we know is incongruent with Leo’s historical analysis of court decisions made after the 14th was adopted.
First all I want to dispell the notion if BHO II was born before Hawaii achieved statehood on August 21, 1959 he was not a U.S citizen at birth.
All persons born in Hawaii on or after April 30,1900, are native-born citizens of the United States. Based on this, I find it implausible that the Dunham’s or Stanley Ann had the foresight that little Barry would someday aspire to become POTUS. If he was indeed born in Hawaii, he was already by definition, a “native” citizen regardless of when he was born. I seriously doubt that the Dunhams or Ann thought out the various nuances of regarding what constitutes a “natural born citizen”.
Barry Soetoro’s Indonesian school record indicates he was enrolled on Jan 1, 1968 and it lists his birthdate as 4/8/61 (d/m/y, I assume) and birthplace as Honolulu, HI. I am assuming this birthdate came from an official document, e.g. an American or Indonesian passport, or the birth certificate his mother possessed at the time. I assume it is the latter as my passport only lists the state I was born in, not the city and state. 1967 US passports (which in all likelihood is when Ann first obtained Barry’s first passport) may have included the state and city, however.
If the birthdate on his school registration was derived from his passport, It only makes sense that the birth certificate submitted with his passport application stated a birthdate of August 4, 1961.
Follow me? Any amendment request to change BHO’s birthdate to August 4, 1961 would have occurred in or before 1967 since we know for a certainty he was in Jakarta in the beginning of 1968.
BHO’s online birth certificate states the birth record was filed by the State Registrar on August 8th, 1961. This could mean many things:
a) It is the original birth record but the Registrar was not satisfied at the time with the evidence provided. If this is the case, Barry was probably born at home on or before August 4th without a licensed attending physician or midwife. If either was in attendance, they would have been responsible for submiting the birth record directly to the local registrar. Also, the Father’s race was listed as “African” which leads me to believe that BHO Sr. and/or Ann filled out the original birth certificate that was submitted to the local Registrar. Seems to me that if an attending physician/midwife filled out the certificate, they would have listed the race as “Negro” as this was the standard nomenclature at the time for persons of African descent.
b)Maybe Obama was born in Vancouver BC and the Dunhams filled out and submitted a HI birth certificate form to insure that little Barry had US citizenship at birth. If this is true, Ann was not old enough to confer her US citizenship if he was born in Vancouver as some claim. This also supports her being placed in Seattle only 15 days after she gave birth. Otherwise she probably would have gave birth in a Seattle hospital which would make this point moot.
c) The date filed by the Registrar is August 8, 1961. This could mean that Barry’s original birth certificate had already been accepted by the State Registrar with an earlier birthdate and an amendment request was filed to change the birthdate to August 4, 1961 and the Obamas and/or the Dunhams did not provide sufficient evidence to substantiate the change. If Barry was already a citizen, why would they want to change his birthday? The only change that makes any sense is the father’s name or race in order to align it with Barry’s fairy tale.
d) Maybe the 2007 birth certificate does reflect the original birth record and it was accepted on August 8th, 1961 but when Obama submitted an amendment request, the original record no longer carried the same weight it had previously thus it was switched to “Filed by Registrar”. Obama told everyone he was born at Kapi’olani Center for Women and Children got away with it until he realized that his original birth certificate might be requested as proof he is qualified to serve as POTUS and that his place of birth (home)did not match his story so he submitted an amendment request to change the birthplace to the Kapi’olani hospital. The Registrar refused to change the record because Obama offered no proof to substantiate the amendment request. Now the entire birth record is suspect so it becomes a “file” instead of a “record”.
The more I think about it, the more likely I am to believe scenario “d)” is what we are dealing with.
Go ahead and poke holes in it. See my next comment for the inconsistencies I found in “Dreams”.
Epicurious,
Then what do you think that it could be that would be a major embarrassment to BO and maybe ruin the Democratic party? I wish that I still had that quote handy.
“Then what do you think that it could be that would be a major embarrassment to BO and maybe ruin the Democratic party?”
His father is not BHO Sr! In spite of that he went ahead and fabricated a life story which earned him wealth and subsequently was elected to public office based on this farce.
If that is indeed the case, one can speculate as to who the actual father is. What is fascinating is the time that the Dunhams were in Seattle and apparently active in the communist scene Malcom X was there as well. The physical appearance between Malcom X and Obama Jr. are strikingly similar, height, facial features, etc. Check it out for yourselves.
I think that Spaulding and jbjd on another blog have it right. Obama has done a careful pas de deux two-step to avoid ever characterizing himself as a natural born citizen while, in the background, letting Cass Sunstein (alas now a czar in addition to having interestingly-narrow ideas about the value of [certain] human life not his own and how to avoid cluttering the planet with what he seems to see as human dunnage)and the Chicago law mafia fight it out.
This is the same Sunstein proposing that anything the government deems to be untruthful (as if the government remembers what that might even mean!)be pulled off of the internet.
The Obama administration is so far guilty of the most invasive attempts at censorship of any adminstration in our Constitutional history.
At any rate, it’s worth reading Spaulding and following the link to jbjd’s blog and the original article to see just how carefully this was done to allow Obama to avoid ever declaring himself a natural born citizen:
“Please do check yourself. The site making the claim is here: http://jbjd.wordpress.com/ Jbjd’s explanations satisfy my puzzlement that Obama, living a life of luxury, would risk imprisonment by falsifying some usually meaningless documents. He is good at details. Jbjd provides a plausible answer – he didn’t. Occam’s razor.
But Obama didn’t need to be an expert at natural-born citizenship details. Obama’s law firm, Kirkland and Ellis also provided the legal support for McCain while McCain’s status as a natural-born citizen was being examined. McCain was being funded by Soros through several organizations, presumably around the McCain Feingold bill.
Does anyone doubt that Kirkland and Ellis, also the source of the “Amending the Natural-born Citizen Requirement of Article II…” Kent Law Review article from 2006, written by their associate, Sarah Herlihy, may be the country’s legal experts on the details of natural-born citizenship. You can be certain they were paid lots and lots of money by Republicans to find a loophole so that McCain could run. They didn’t find a loophole, but the Dems helped with a phony Senate Resolution 511 which appeared to make McCain legitimate.
This is pay-to-play. I don’t have the list of contracts secured by Kirkland and Ellis now that their guy is in The White House, but they had both bases covered, providing senior partner Christopher Landau, who was also on the McCain Justice Advisory Committee. I doubt that they will benefit from civil war, loss of our Bill of Rights, or nuclear war in the Middle East. Kirkland & Ellis is just doing what law firms do.”
http://tinyurl.com/yjeqz6k
Kittycat,
I think I found it. Here is the link
http://www.thecommentary.net/obamas-eligibilty-problems-wont-go-away-and-hes-determined-to-drag-the-entire-country-down-with-him/
Also, people forget that Obama’s lawyers have already admitted that whatever is in Obama’s bona fides would, “cause a defined and serious injury” to Obama and/or the DNC. During the Federal Circuit Court ruling on Phil Berg’s claim, Judge, R. Barclay Surrick, ruled that any objection or refutation had to be served within thirty days. The Obama team contented itself with a motion to dismiss the case and a protective order. In these motions, Obama’s lawyers argued that revealing the information (birth certificate, citizenship in other countries, college admissions records etc.) would “cause a defined and serious injury” to Obama and/or the DNC. They argued that revealing these documents raises a “legitimate privacy concern” and the above mentioned risk that “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation.” The source of that embarrassment was not specified. That’s why Obama fights the release of his bona fides — “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation.” — his own attorneys said so.
http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/2018399:BlogPost:10858 http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2009/03/occidental-obama.html
I don’t understand why the DOH would tell Leo they have no records that caused Obama’s birth record to be filed on Aug 8, 1961. I clarified with Leo that his request was for ANY document which caused them to “file” Obama’s record on Aug 8, 1961.
Either
a) they filed the record of a birth on Aug 8, 1961 that they were never told about, or
b)somebody in their office changed the original filing date to Aug 8, 1961 and sent the COLB to Obama that way, or
c) Obama had a COLB that was filed some other time and he forged the date to say Aug 8, 1961.
At this point we know either the DOH is screwing with the record or Obama is.
My suspicion is that Obama’s original Hawaii birth certificate was issued as a LATE, unsubstantiated claim of birth, and that he forged the Aug 8, 1961 date in order to hide that fact.
Are you moderating the site now? I found the link for Kitycat, but it says awaiting moderation. I’ve never seen this before.
Oh, Kathy, where did you find it? I wrote Beckwith at theobamafile.com, but I’m sure that he hasn’t had the time to answer.
thanks
Another question is whether the requests on proof for amended place of birth showed no matching records because they were for “President Obama” rather than for Barack Hussein Obama II.
Of course, I’d expect a no-match for proof of date of birth also in that case, since “President Obama” was used for that too, but these folks are definitely capable of throwing up smokescreens.
Kathy, it’s ok I think MT is not on here today but when she sees it she if she sees fit will post it…
Moderation was suggested to her for good reason…Hang in there!
what we really need is a PRIVATE folder to put some of these comments in…because it seems like somewhere down the line they come in handy…It’s such a hassel to backtract as to where you found it in the first place…
Here’s something else that I was thinking about and BO and his COLB. This is from FR, which I’ll post the link too. Think about his COLB number and then the number of the twins who were born after him on 8/5/1961.
“Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:01:51 PM by Smokeyblue
DinkyJackson wrote on this thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2302882/posts?q=1&;page=101
Obama’s (finally published) birth certificate serial number is 151 1961 – 010641, he was born on 8-4-1961, and the certificate was filed by the Registrar on 8-8-1961 ( http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html )
Today, the Honolulu advertiser publishes a story, and at the bottom includes a set of long-form BC’s from a woman who had twins at Kapiolani on 8-5-1961 who went to school with Obama.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090728/NEWS01/907280345/Hawaii+officials+confirm+Obama%E2%80%99s+original+birth+certificate+still+exists
These twins were born the day AFTER Obama AT KAPIOLANI. And their certificate numbers are LOWER than his (10637 and 10638). They were born 8-5-1961, the certificates were signed by mom 8-7-1961, signed by the MD 8-11-1961, and signed by the Registrar 8-11-1961.
THIS MEANS HE DEFINITELY WAS NOT BORN AT KAPIOLANI, because his BC number (born on Aug 4th and filed with Registrar Aug 8th) should have a lower number than the twins (Born Aug 5th at Kapiolani and filed with Registrar Aug 11th)”
To me this is also important because of the way their numbers run. His number should be before theirs, not afterwards.
Here’s the link below:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2303014/posts?page=93
I don’t think this is normal, do you guys?
I going to try to send you just the link. My post with the text is bogged down in moderation????
http://www.thecommentary.net/obamas-eligibilty-problems-wont-go-away-and-hes-determined-to-drag-the-entire-country-down-with-him/
Kittycat,
I sent you the link to your last reply. Did you get it?
On to “Dreams”. As I said in my last comment, it is just as opaque as everything else. There are hardly any defined periods, he make no reference to his birthdate, birthplace, and there are inconsistencies between his accounting and Wikipedia (I know, not the most accurate source but neither is Obama).
The introduction (pg xiv) states he is 33 now cira 1995 when the book was published. The book was first published on July 18th, 1995. This aligns with his birth year of 1961.
Few months after 21st birthday places himself in NYC when he is notified of BHO Sr’s death. (pg. 3, 5) According to Wiki, Sr. died on November 24th, 1982.
BHO Sr left Hawaii in 1963, when BHO II was 2 yrs old. (pg. 5) This also coincides with a 1961 birth. According to Wiki though, Sr. graduated from UoH in June 1962 and left for Cambridge shortly afterwards. This would seem to indicate Sr. left before BHO II reached his first birthday.
Sr. arrived in Hawaii in 1959 at age 23. (pg. 9)According to Wiki, Sr. enrolled at UoH in 1959, so this rings true.
After less than 2 yrs in Hi, Met Ann when she was just 18. (pgs. 9, 422) If Ann was indeed 18, this would indicate they met after November 29th, 1942 (Ann’s birthday).
In 1967, BHO II celebrated 6th birthday. (pg. 11) This coincides with a 1961 birth as well.
In 1960, the year my parents were married… (pg. 12) According to Wiki, Dunham and Obama Sr. were married on the Hawaiian island of Maui on February 2, 1961. I assume BHO II fudged the date so it did not appear he was conceived out of wedlock.
Grandparents eloped just in time for Pearl Harbor bombing, Gramps joined the Army, Ann born on military base where Gramps is stationed. (Pg. 15) According to Wiki, the Dunhams were married May 5th, 1940, 1 ½ yrs before Pearl Harbor was bombed, Ann was born in Wichita, KS at St. Francis Hospital on November 29th, 1942, not on an Army base.
After WWII, the Dunhams moved to Berkley, CA so Gramps could attend UC Berkley on the GI Bill. Gramps dropped out and they moved back to Kansas, then onto a series of small towns in Texas, then on to Seattle. (pg. 15)According to Wiki, the Dunhams lived in (sequential order) Kanas, Oklahoma, Wichita, Texas, back to Kansas, then moved to Seattle in 1955. No mention of Berkley or its prestigious school.
At age 16, Ann offered early admission to U of Chicago. Not allowed to attend. (pgs. 16, 123)
Dunhams moved to Hawaii in 1959. (pg. 23) According to Wiki, Ann graduated from Mercer HS in 1960, and the family moved to Hawaii shortly thereafter.
Arrives in Jakarta. (pg. 41)1967?
Returned to Hawaii. (pg. 53) 1971? Ann an new sister Maya see him off.
Sr. returns to Hawaii visits BHO (pg. 62) in late 1971? during the visit, the family visit the family landmarks including the remodeled hospital where he was born. (pg. 66) Does not mention Kapi’olani by name.
Drives to Waikiki to visit Frank Marshall Davis. (pg. 89)
Places himself at Occidental College in Fall 1979. (pg. 98)
In 1983, decided to become a community organizer and eventually moves to Chicago.
Other than James Frey’s ” A Million Little Pieces”, this has got to be the most elusive, fact fudging memoir/autobiography I ever seen. Other than the date I noted above, there is book is literally devoid of specific dates, places, and he does not even directly indicate his birth year, month or day, where he was born, when he graduated from college, when he transferred to Columbia and makes no reference to attending law school whatsoever even though he graduated from Harvard 4 years before the book was published.
It is not clear if Obama deliberately blurred the truth or if he does not know fact from fiction.
You be the judge.
Not me.
The Obama defense said:
“…particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation…”
Google finds 96 occurrences of this quote.
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Quoted here from: The Obama Timeline: 1961-2009
http://www.colony14.net/id41.html — dated: 3/11/2009
The following text is NOT contained in the current “Obama Timeline”:
On October 24, Federal Judge R. Barclay Surrick in Philadelphia, a Clinton appointee, tosses out the Berg lawsuit. A plaintiff, such as Berg, who wishes to have standing to sue, must show (1) a particularized injury-in-fact, (2) evidence showing that that the party being sued actually caused the plaintiff’s particularized injury-in-fact, and (3) that adjudication of the matter would actually provide redress. Inasmuch as Berg is an American citizen, that in and of itself should suggest he has standing. Judge Surrick chose to avoid responsibility in the case and instead dumped the issue in the lap of Congress, knowing full well that a Democrat Congress will not address the issue. Motions filed by Obama’s lawyers prior to Surrick’s ruling argued that revealing certain Obama information (birth certificate, citizenship papers, school records, etc.) would “cause a defined and serious injury” to Obama, would raise a “legitimate privacy concern,” and create a risk that “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation.” [374,375]
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374. http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html
375. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/judge-dismisses.html
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I think your hundreds of requests are being processed by employees who are directed to follow a process, and if the request you submit is ambiguous, or not direct, or they cannot match the “char@cter $tryng” exactly, the process rejects your request.
So, you must decide exactly and precisely, and with a laser focus, you want, or you get nada.
Start small, and peck from the outside, like you are unpeeling an onion, or as though you are cutting chunks from an apple, trying to avoid the worm.
Ask for what you need, but avoid what will end the process.
Does DOH hold a record on a person with the first name of “President”? I doubt it, so don’t ask.
Maybe these work:
Barack Obama
Barry Soetoro
Barack Hussien Obama
I just read about Obama’s lawyers and judge in CLOSED quarters arguing this point, about discloseure would be so embarrassig for Obama…wished I would have saved it…For the life of me I can’t find it now, Soooo frustrating!
Obama should be able to live with embarrassment as long is he is legal…But we can’t live with embarrassment if he is usurper and trying to over rule the good ole USofA!
Good question. I am not sure if it is as much of an embarassment to the DNC as it is to Obama himself. See, if he is caught in a lie about something as innocuous as his actual birthplace (home vs. hospital), then it opens a Pandora’s box where his real past becomes more closely scrutinized. This man has some serious problems with his past in regard to who he associated with and his hard leftist ideology.
The last 2 1/2 years we have endured “move along now, nothing to see here.”
While only I scanned Dreams for notable dates/events, it was quickly apparent that this man has a a chip on his shoulder and he wants to make all of us pay for the all the injustices he and other minorities have suffered under white rule. Very scary.
Google the Cloward – Piven Strategy and you will see what I mean.
A time comes when a person who commits fraud, deception and participates in a conspiracy, must face the embarrassment of a trial and the fall from grace.
1 log that says he was born earlier…take it for what it’s worth..
1959 Aug 21, 1959 – Barack Obama
1959 Aug 21, 1959 – Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, automatically making him a citizen of the United States. The state was admitted to the Union on August 21, 1959, making it the 50th state. Its capital is Honolulu on the island of Oahu.Stanley Ann Dunham was 18 years old when she gave birth to Barack Hussein Obama. She was born in Kansas. Stanley Ann Dunham had reached the age of majority a full eight months prior to giving birth to Barack Hussein Obama II. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, automatically making him a citizen of the United States. The state was admitted to the Union on August 21, 1959, making it the 50th state. Its capital is Honolulu on the island of Oahu.
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Nellie,
I have not kept up with all the comments at Leo’s blog. If I understand correctly, Leo request was to try to determine if the birth record had a “filed” status on August 8th, 1961 and the DoH said they has no records of a “filed” status corresponding with August 8th. This might indicate that his birth record was “accepted” on this date but was later identifed as “filed” some time after August 8th when contradictory information was submitted via an amendment request.
This is why we really need the Hawaii Public Health Regulation Chapters 8, 8A, 8B so we can decipher all this. The OIP confirmed in an email they sent to me on Friday that Adminstrative Rule 11-117 has not been formally adopted.
The DoH despite multiple requests, has not made any of their rules, regulations, procedures, policies for registering and recording vital statistics publically available as required under HRS 92F-12 (1).
another off the wall link…maybe some enlightning info for the folder…
http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8897
and….
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2061237/posts
I will try again to dispell the misnomer that if BHO II was born before Hawaii achieved statehood on August 21, 1959 he was not a U.S citizen at birth.
All persons born in Hawaii on or after April 30,1900, are native-born citizens of the United States. If he was indeed born in Hawaii, he was already by definition, a “native” citizen regardless of when he was born. There is no difference between a citizen born in a US territory vs. a US State other than based on Leo’s interpretation, that while a citizen from a territory is “native born”, they may not qualify as a “natural born”. It would be a good question to ask Leo.
Citizens of territories have US passports just like yours or mine. The only main differences I am aware of in regard to their citizenship is they only have non voting representation in the House (at least Puerto Rico does) and they cannot vote in the Presidential general election.
That’s a lie. SAD and BHO Sr, met in a Russian language class in September 1960. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-2,00.html
For BHO Jr to be born on August 4, 1961, conception occurred in late Oct-early Nov 1960.
BHO Jr is 48 years old, go ahead and ask his dentist.
I think the difference is that native-born = citizen by statute and natural born = citizen by Constitution. We are a nation of states formed through a compact and not a nation of territories, per se. Look at the 14th amendmet:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
Being born in a territory is arguably not covered under this declaration. Once a territory becomes a state, then it’s different – a natural citizenship as opposed to a statutory citizenship.
my very detailed analysis of Dreams that I uploaded must have been “lost in translation” I will redetail tomorrow…:>(
TK, Can you see it??
Getting back to MT’s three requests to the DOH, I’m wondering if the original certificate had to be amended, not because the DOB was different, but because, as an unattended birth, the DOB was simply not confirmed nor accepted by the registrar. Maybe the other facts on the certificate weren’t specifically questioned and by default, the DOB was the pivotal fact that had to be established through supplementary documentation, which, when provided years later, resulted in the COLB being classifed as ‘amended’??
Also, if Obama was adopted and then had his adoption nullified, maybe on amending the birth certificate he has to reaffirm his DOB??
I’m just posting scenario’s for all they are worth…Don’t allow them if you feel so compelled…Just giving things to research….debunk it….fine with me and in fact I hope you do!
I have my own opinions of who, what, where and why….but not what you want to hear….they are UGLY!
okay….On my own behalf of my very own educated, ignorant family….My question to them was just this simple…
Question for you all!
And I expect out of RESPECT an answer…
If Osama Bin Laden came here to the USA and he and name redacted (my very own flesh and blood daughter) fell in LOVE/LUST..
and she just so happen to get pregnant and had his baby…
Would their child male or female be eligible to be….
President of the United States of America???????
Yes or No….nothing else…
Answers…hang on to your seat….
Yes! for most of them!
WTH….?
This is exactly what is wrong right now….even tho’s with education are dumber then a box of rocks..
So now what do we do?
I will bet you a million that tho’s that answer this question have way more education then me, still haven’t a clue to the real issue …or just don’t understand what they are bowing down to and just saying yes….
So now my next question….How do you educate the master’s…MD (masters degree)some common sense????
I anxiously wait all replies as I am at a loss for words!
Perhaps this question has been asked already, but if Obama was conceived in Seattle and the father’s name on the original birth certificate is “unknown”, could that be the piece of information that was amended (replace “unknown” with the name of Obama Senior)?
Okay, a statutory explanation.
US Code
TITLE 8, CHAPTER 12, SUBCHAPTER III,§ 1401(truncated)
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person
The citizens described here are “citizens at birth”
US Code
TITLE 8, CHAPTER 12, SUBCHAPTER III,§ 1405. Persons born in Hawaii
“A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. The citizens described here are “naturalized”. If you were born in Hawaii on or after April 30th, 1900 to at least one US citizen, you are a citizen “at birth”. There is no distinction between territories and the states in that regard.
The only difference I can see is if the birth occurs in a territory, US citizenship cannot be attained “at birth” if both parents are aliens whereas if the birth occurs in the US it can be.
I never confused this with being “natural born”. Whether or not a person born to two US citizens in a US territory can be considered to be “natural born” has not been answered to my knowledge. Technically, I can see it being called either way. I suppose it may be determined by the definition of “US soil” i.e. are the territories considered to be “US soil”?
The notion that BHO II or his family moved his birthdate to sometime after Hawaii achieved statehood so he could be considered “natural born” is absurd IMHO. His Indonesian school records list his birthdate as August 8th, 1961, his birthplace as Honolulu, HI. I somehow doubt that Ann or the Dunhams were worriying about his NBC status in the 1960s.
Regardless, if Obama was born in Hawaii before statehood was granted, he is a citizen “at birth”, just like anyone who is born in the United States with at least one US citizen or who is born in the United States to two alien parents.
Does this make more sense?
Sorry, I meant August 4th, 1961 for BHO’s birthdate.
I see a few people in here are on a quest, but then some choose to chase rabbits.
Alice, don’t eat the mushroom!
or the “Lucky Charms”
or drink the Kool-Aid
RE: Born in the U.S.A.
Monday, October 12, 2009 12:10 AM
From: [redacted]
To:editor@factcheck.org
On the website:
http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
I read:
“FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.”
Is that the document displayed, the “original” Barack Hussein Obama birth certificate, that was examined and photographed, by FactCheck.org staffers?
Thank you,
[redacted]
Factcheck can post that the earth will continue to rotate on an axis, and continue its path around the ,and I would know that both things have just stopped happening.
Why quote Factcheck when you can channel Pinocchio and get something much more closely approximating the truth?
Here are Stanley Anns’ Univ records. Hope this helps your timeline. (scroll down for records)
She dropped out in 1960 in Hi. She was in WA right after BO was born. She returned to HI after Obama Sr. left. She went to school in HI 1 semester in 1963, 1 semester in 1966. She left for Indonesia in 1966. She req her degree and it was awarded in 1967, while she was in Indonesia. She returned to HI(for her masters) in 1972 went to school for 1 semester. back to Indonesia and returned in 1974 went to school for 1 semester. 1 semester 1976, and 1 semester 1978. In between these times she worked thru, the Ford Foundation and USAID for the World Bank in NY and in Indonesia. While she worked on her thesis. She returned to HI for 1 semester in 1984, and 1 semester in 1992. She worked on her dissertation while she lived in Indonesia. NOTICE she was not in Hi when she filed for the Soetoro divorce (8/20/80)or when the case terminated on Nov. 26 1988, a Saturday on thanksgiving weekend.
Autumn Semester- Aug.to Dec.
winter- Dec -Jan.
Spring Jan – May
Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham was enrolled at the University of Washington for:
Autumn 1961
Winter 1962
Spring 1962
The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.
Madolyne Lawson
Office of Public Records
206-543-9180
“The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:
Dates of attendance:
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)
Spring 1963 – Summer 1966
Fall 1972 – Fall 1974
Summer 1976
Spring 1978
Fall 1984 – Summer 1992
Degrees awarded:
BA – Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967)
MA – Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983)
PhD – Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992)
Sincerely,
Stuart Lau”
****************************************
Stuart Lau
University Registrar
Office of Admissions and Records
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Has anyone obtained BHO, Senior’s records from the University of Hawaii? It would be interesting to know if he attended the Sping and/or Summer sessions in 1961.
This seems very hopeful…especially 6160. Are you aware of what jbjd is doing on her blog?
[...] “Waaaaa! Was Obama a baby on August 4, 1961?” by MissTickly, 10/8 [ed., more odd ways of wording things, from Team Hawaii] [...]
If you got your citizenship by statute, then you are not natural born.
Then it is possible SAD made a Summer vacation trip to Kenya, for a month or more, to visit inlaws. A Kenya birth may not have been desired, but things happen, Hawaii was liberal with birth certificates.
Wow, that really explains a lot.
It’s very interesting that you use the term native born because isn’t that the exact SAME term Obama’s fightthesmears website used?
Yes, this could be, how do we ask in Canada for a copy of a BC?
But, especially stay away from the sugar babies
Hi, Kathy, just signed on and thanks for the link. I just got it and saved it.
This is so interesting too!
“Also, people forget that Obama’s lawyers have already admitted that whatever is in Obama’s bona fides would, “cause a defined and serious injury” to Obama and/or the DNC. During the Federal Circuit Court ruling on Phil Berg’s claim, Judge, R. Barclay Surrick, ruled that any objection or refutation had to be served within thirty days. The Obama team contented itself with a motion to dismiss the case and a protective order. In these motions, Obama’s lawyers argued that revealing the information (birth certificate, citizenship in other countries, college admissions records etc.) would “cause a defined and serious injury” to Obama and/or the DNC. They argued that revealing these documents raises a “legitimate privacy concern” and the above mentioned risk that “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation.” The source of that embarrassment was not specified. That’s why Obama fights the release of his bona fides — “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation.” — his own attorneys said so.”
Maybe they did travel to Kenya in Summer of 1961, Ann went into labor a couple of weeks early, had little Barry in July then returned to the states in early August and then atempted to register an unattended at home birth which the State of Hawaii has yet to “accept”.
While I do not subscribe to this theory, it is not completely out of the question.
TK.
If you have time, can you look at the spreadsheet I sent you and give me feedback? I have time to work in this right now but am reluctant to do so if it isn’t what you had in mind.
Thanks!
Has anyone searched the surname Dunham?
Barry Dunham?
8USCSec. 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;”
The key phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof;” has been misinterpreted to mean the alien parent is subject the US laws. However, when an alien needs service from the mother country, they go to the consulate or embassy, of the country they owe allegiance to, therefore establishing jurisdiction.
Request sent under UIPA
Your instincts about Factcheck.org are correct.
Per Factcheck’s own website:”FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania.”
Obama has a history of involvement with the Annenberg Foundation (as does Bill Ayers by the way). From 1995 through 1999, Obama Chaired the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
http://www.factcheck.org/about/
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_lost_annenberg_years_co.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/obama.ayers/
RE: “I just read about Obama’s lawyers and judge in CLOSED quarters arguing this point, about discloseure would be so embarrassig for Obama…”
And what possibly would be SOOOOOO embarrassing that all the Kool-aid drinkers wouldn’t overlook for The One? Anything, other than him intentionally hiding his lack of eligibility, would result in a poor Obama pity party and a mass hug for The One. A different father, his race being listed as White (why not he is mixed, no different than listing only Black or African), etc., none of these are more embarrassing than that HUGE Olympic bid loss. This person was given the Nobel Peace Prize for absolutely no achievement. I think he could withstand a little embarrassment.
IMO the “Frank” on the photo is Frank Marshall Davis who was apparently in SAD’s life at the time; and following that thought: have requests using a different last name for Barack been tried. AGAIN -IMO – the embarassing element for the DNC and Obama would be who his real father is and it is either Frank Marshall Davis or Malcolm Little aka X. Either one of those two with their radical philosophy would have thrown him completely out of the race. Also, I have not seen any requests for the bc using Barack Obama, “II” There might be some and only I have not seen them.
i read that Time article too. That Feb 2, 1961 date is also posted on wikipedia; however, 1960 is the year Obama said his parents were married in Dreams (see my previous post), and 1960 is the vital record date in the LDS database. So one thing is for certain, they were maybe probably married and if so around 1960, 1961′ish.
I was intrigued by the “Pontius Frank Supi” notation on the photograph. I found an article dealing with the meaning of “supi” which could fit SAD and Frank Marshall Davis relationship??? The “Pontius” part of the note might be calling his “washing his hands of the “supi” portion of the relationship.(see the very last sentence of this portion of the article) There is more to this article but its length was a consideration. The fact that Ghana and African culture has been linked to SAD, Frank Davis, and Malcolm X seems pertinent.
Has anyone queried the DoH for other names for Obama; who knows? that might be what was amended – not the date or the place. Prime candidates would be Malcolm Little, Jr. or Frank Marshall Davis, Jr.
Programme de bourses “Jeunes Chercheurs”
«Doing Supi»: Female Friendships and Intimacies in Postcolonial Ghana
Abstract
While in Europe and North America sexual practices and particularly same-sex desires are regarded as constitutive of identity, West African societies have privileged different social categories such as seniority, motherhood or marital status. Thus, in Southern Ghana, female same-sex relationships have been forged beyond Euro-American models of lesbian lifestyles and identity politics. Against the backdrop of the appropriation of identity claims by sexual rights activists paralleled by a raise in homophobic debates throughout Africa, this project explores the subjective histories of female friendships and highlights the interplay of women’s material and emotional survival strategies in postcolonial Ghana.
The term supi stands for a close female friend and usually refers to the passionate relationships forged between secondary school girls at Ghanaian boarding houses. Based on a patron-client model the senior supi supports and protects her junior, while the junior fetches water, washes, cooks, and does other favours for her senior. Such affectionate bonds involve the exchange of gifts, love letters and erotic intimacies and come to public attention only in cases of jealousy and dramatic break-ups. However, best friends’ intimate secrecies are assumed to terminate with the end of school. If not, they continue in discretion, alongside women’s lives as wives and mothers. Adult women make supi contacts in and outside of homosocial spaces, in the market and at social gatherings such as name giving ceremonies and funerals. As in Ghanaian heterosexual relationships, gifts and financial support play a crucial role in courting and sustaining these relationships.
Research Partners
Centre for Gender Studies and Advocacy
and
Institute of African Studies
University of Ghana, Legon
P.O. Box LG 73
Accra, Ghana
Dr. Akosua Adomako Ampofo
adomako@ug.edu.gh
Doctoral Candidate
Serena Owusua Dankwa
Oetlingerstr.72
CH-4057 Basel
+41 61 681 75 19, +41 76 452 44 62
serena@saoas.org
***
c/o Mrs Emily Asiedu
P. O. Box 278
Accra, Ghana
+233 24 285 5065
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/a_closer_look_at_obamas_odysse.html
About his “auto”biography.
What if he’s not African American? What if he’s SE Asian, instead? Or, what if either parent is not his parent? The DNC promoted him based upon his “compelling” life story. If the story is bogus, the DNC perpetrated a fraud.
I say “either” parent because there are other possibilities. Yes, he does resemble SAD; but is the only possible explanation that she was his mother?
Remember how her girlfriends said that SAD told them that she didn’t need to marry to have kids, she could adopt? What if SAD is closely related to him and she adopted him as her child, but he’s not her child?
What if the marriage to BHO Sr. was a sham, to provide cover for the existence of the child?
Her girlfriends were amazed that she married and had a child so soon after graduation and moving back to WA. They said that she didn’t have boyfriends during high school. Why the sudden move to Hawaii?
So many questions, so few answers.
Any of these possibilities would embarrass him as well as the DNC. If he’s not African American, then a huge portion of the electorate would desert him. Don’t you think?
[MT: I just sent you an email...]
Citizenship papers? Did they specifically mention citizenship papers? I’m a NBC and I have NO “citizenship papers.” Do you?
Did you all see this? Goat
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http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/10/federal-courts-are-committing-treason.html
The Federal Courts Are Committing Treason to the Constitution per Chief Justice John Marshall.
The federal courts and judges are committing treason to the Constitution by not taking jurisdiction and getting to the merits in the various cases before them regarding the Article II eligibility clause question for Obama.
It is worth keeping in mind the words of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall when he wrote in Cohens v. Virginia 19 US 264 (1821):
“It is most true that this Court will not take jurisdiction if it should not: but it is equally true, that it must take jurisdiction if it should. The judiciary cannot, as the legislature may, avoid a measure because it approaches the confines of the constitution. We cannot pass it by because it is doubtful. With whatever doubts, with whatever difficulties, a case may be attended, we must decide it, if it be brought before us. We have no more right to decline the exercise of jurisdiction which is given, than to usurp that which is not given. The one or the other would be treason to the constitution. Questions may occur which we would gladly avoid; but we cannot avoid them. All we can do is, to exercise our best judgment, and conscientiously to perform our duty. In doing this, on the present occasion, we find this tribunal invested with appellate jurisdiction in all cases arising under the constitution and laws of the United States. We find no exception to this grant, and we cannot insert one.”
Link to the treason quote:
http://www.kerchner.com/images/protectourliberty/chiefjusticemarshallwordsontreasontoconstitution.jpg
Link to Summary:
http://www.oyez.org/cases/1792-1850/1821/1821_0
Link to Full Case:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=19&invol=264
The Judge in the Kerchner v Obama & Congress lawsuit and the Judges in the other cases should simply read the words of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Marshall from the past and take jurisdiction of the constitutional question of the Article II eligibility clause in the Constitution and proceed to a fact finding hearing and trial on the merits to see if Obama is Constitutionally eligible or not. I say Obama is NOT eligible. But we need the federal courts to take the cases and get a SCOTUS ruling to settle this.
Charles F. Kerchner, Jr.
CDR USNR (Ret)
Lead Plaintiff
Kerchner et al v Obama & Congress et al
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
http://www.protectourliberty.org/
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Reply to TexomaEd: Fo shizzle.
4 Tools
(I figured this out during 20-years in the US Navy.)
Did you know that you have four tools, available for your use? Four tools to aid you in life. Four FREE tools you may be using, and didn’t realize you had. Those four tools are: OBSERVATION, DOCUMENTATION, TREND ANALYSIS, and SPECULATION.
1. OBSERVATION
Look (look, listen, inquire) around and watch what is happening. What do you see (observe, hear, smell)? How do you perceive it? How do others perceive what is happening? What do you need to observe? Gather facts. Make a list: activities, times, dates, temperature, duration, quantity, rate, flow, direction, size, categories, colors, etc.
2. DOCUMENTATION
Now write it down. Write a word or a sentence or a paragraph or a page. If you can’t think of much of anything to write, then put it away or save the file. You can observe more and document later. Write the appropriate information: dates, times, locations, names, materials, equipment, processes, etc., which are involved or related. If needed, make charts, tables and graphs to provide a visual depiction of your documentation. Write “Baseline” measurements. Set parameters.
3. TREND ANALYSIS
Now examine your documentation. Do you see a trend occurring? What is/not happening?
4. SPECULATION
Based on your documentation, What could be motivating, what you have observed? Now this is the tough part, ask yourself if you are denying the possibility of a motivating factor(s). In other words ask, What couldn’t or maybe-could be motivating these occurrences?
Having used the four tools described above, you can then make plans to take the appropriate ACTION (you could call this a fifth tool.)required to give you the desired results. Your action could be as simple as mentioning something — I call this, “planting a seed of thought”. You could “nudge” the situation and make small adjustments, or you may need to make sudden, drastic, motivating changes.
How do you motivate? If you understand a person’s needs and values, then you will understand how to motivate the person.
Thought motivates behavior. We do what we think about.
epicurious
I received my answer back from Hawaii on the 3 questions here it is…
RE: Allow me to be a little more direct
From: Okubo, Janice S. (janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov)
Sent: Mon 10/12/09 12:49 PM
To: name and email redacted); Fukino, Chiyome L. (chiyome.fukino@doh.hawaii.gov)
The department has no records responsive to your request.
Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Hawaii State Department of Health
1250 Punchbowl Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Phone: (808) 586-4442
Fax: (808) 586-4444
email: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov
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From: name and email redacted
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:32 PM
To: Okubo, Janice S.; Fukino, Chiyome L.
Subject: Allow me to be a little more direct
Dear Dr. Fukino,
Under the Uniform Information Practices Act of the State of Hawaii, “…the people are vested with the ultimate decision-making power. Government agencies exist to aid the people in the formation and conduct of public policy. Opening up the government processes to public scrutiny and participation is the only viable and reasonable method of protecting the public’s interest. Therefore the legislature declares that it is the policy of this State that the formation and conduct of public policy—the discussions, deliberations, decisions, and action of government agencies—shall be conducted as openly as possible’
I request an electronic copy of the proof offered to establish/verify ‘Date of Birth’ as required, for an amendment to be made to Barack Hussein Obama II
birth certificate / or Barak Hussein Soetoro.
Please send the proof as offered or as filed if it was abstracted. If these records are already public, please give me directions on where to find them.
This request is a Hawaii UIPA (Uniform Information Practices Act) request under section 92F-12.
Thank you Respectfully,
D
Name combinations and permutations:
Barack Hussien Obama II
Barrack Hussien Obama II
– AKA — also known as:
Barack Hussien Obama Jr
Barrack Hussien Obama Jr
Barry Obama
Barack Obama
Barrack Obama
Barry Soetoro
Barry Sotoro
Barry Sutoro
Barry Suetoro
Barry Soutoro
Barry Hussien Soetoro
Barry Hussien Sotoro
Barry Hussien Sutoro
Barry Hussien Suetoro
Barry Hussien Soutoro
Barry Dunham
Barack Dunham
Barrack Dunham
Barry Dunham Obama
Barry Dunham Soetoro
Barry Dunham Sotoro
Barry Dunham Sutoro
Barry Dunham Suetoro
Barry Dunham Soutoro
Barack Dunham Soetoro
Barack Dunham Sotoro
Barack Dunham Sutoro
Barack Dunham Suetoro
Barack Dunham Soutoro
Barrack Dunham Soetoro
Barrack Dunham Sotoro
Barrack Dunham Sutoro
Barrack Dunham Suetoro
Barrack Dunham Soutoro
Barry Hussien Dunham
Barack Hussien Dunham
Barrack Hussien Dunham
Barry Dunham Hussien Obama
Barack Dunham Hussien Obama
Barrack Dunham Hussien Obama
Barry Hussien Dunham Obama
Barack Hussien Dunham Obama
Barrack Hussien Dunham Obama
…..
Look at the last page on the I-9 Form, to see if you can establish citizenship and residency.
If you don’t have papers in Column A, then you need one from Column B and one from Column C.
Note: If you cannot establish citizenship and residency in the USA, please call 1-866-347-2433, for assistance.
embarrassment of worse?
Everyone, we’re flocking to Miss Tickly like crazy. Maybe we should take one person’s advice on here and she list the stuff in a folder. It appears we have all gathered so much info throughout over a year’s time. I hope that we’re not overloading TerriK. I know how it is, I now think of new stuff day after day, and I don’t actually mean to think of it, so it must be stored in my brain.
I don’t want to overload her, though. Honestly, she probably does know some of this mess.
Sorry, I’m just thinking out loud.
I do want to say something wonderful for TerriK, she listens to us. TerriK, I think that you know a lot of stuff that we’re saying because you have read this before. Regardless, I do love that you listen to us. Some of the stuff about BO sounds crazy, but maybe HE is crazy, which is why it sounds that way.
I suggest that people save this, Leo’s and any other websites of particular interest each and every time they visit “in case” stuff starts to disappear as seems to have happened all over the internet, especially anything that isn’t 100% pro-Obama.
Using Windows Explorer, right click on the same bar with the Favorites option, right click on Menu Bar. From Menu Bar, left click on File, then left click on Save As and OK the destination.
You can read the blog offline and, more importantly, keep the research that’s so far been done in case it’s “disappeared” or otherwise becomes unavailable.
SapphireSunday; Regarding your interest in the photo with “Pontius Frank Supi” I found an article written by authors from Ghana –one of SAD’s destinations in her travels. The article deals with the term Supi. I have copied a portion of it here; I think it sort of ties in with SAD’s realtionship with Frank Marshall Davis and whether or not she depended on him financially. Supi deals with primarily homosexual relationships but read the last line about heterosexual expectations. Let me know what you think. See excerpt below:
The term supi stands for a close female friend and usually refers to the passionate relationships forged between secondary school girls at Ghanaian boarding houses. Based on a patron-client model the senior supi supports and protects her junior, while the junior fetches water, washes, cooks, and does other favours for her senior. Such affectionate bonds involve the exchange of gifts, love letters and erotic intimacies and come to public attention only in cases of jealousy and dramatic break-ups. However, best friends’ intimate secrecies are assumed to terminate with the end of school. If not, they continue in discretion, alongside women’s lives as wives and mothers. Adult women make supi contacts in and outside of homosocial spaces, in the market and at social gatherings such as name giving ceremonies and funerals. As in Ghanaian heterosexual relationships, gifts and financial support play a crucial role in courting and sustaining these relationships.
Research Partners
Centre for Gender Studies and Advocacy
and
Institute of African Studies
University of Ghana, Legon
P.O. Box LG 73
Accra, Ghana
Dr. Akosua Adomako Ampofo
adomako@ug.edu.gh
Doctoral Candidate
Serena Owusua Dankwa
Oetlingerstr.72
CH-4057 Basel
+41 61 681 75 19, +41 76 452 44 62
serena@saoas.org
***
c/o Mrs Emily Asiedu
P. O. Box 278
Accra, Ghana
+233 24 285 5065
TerriK; I must be doing something wrong. When I try to post one particular message, it does not show up at all. I don’t know where it goes, but it isn’t here. It must contain something that causes that. I have posted two other completely different messages and had no problem getting through. This “phantom” message is regarding an article I discovered that perhaps can shed light on the words written on the photograph of SAD’s house in Seattle. They are such a mystery and this definition might offer some insight.
[MT: I flagged a few curse words and words that smell like racism or sexism--were you quoting something that may have touched on one of those 'funky' words?'
I am sorry about all the moderation. I will adjust the settings so that if you have links--at least they won't be moderated...]
See, that message got through. Must be the words themselves that are barred. The article was written by Ghana researcers (which was one of SAD’s destinations in her travels) I found that interesting. It is a clear definition of that last word written on the photograph…I don’t want to type it here for fear of the message disappearing.
I don’t know what to think.
[MT: Does it have the word 'foreigners' in it? I blocked that word because someone used it in a questionable way and since I am not always able to read every post before it goes up, I included that term. I didn't realize how that would catch tons of other people just conversing normally.
I am going to unmoderate that word and see if that helps you guys get through.]
Miss Tickly, I heard you say on the radio that it had been verified that Obama did not try to amend the birth date. If you mean the above email, it doesn’t say that, it says that he did not produce evidence if, in fact he attempted to amend his date of birth (useful info, but not the same as saying that he did not try to amend the dob.)He could have tried to amend the dob, not provided evidence, and that’s why it wasn’t accepted.
[MT: EXCELLENT POINT and I am glad you brought that to my attention, Thank you.]
i applaud your efforts…yet your question allowed for too much wiggle room.
“I request an electronic copy of the proof offered to establish/verify ‘Birth Place,’ as required, for an amendment to be made to President Obama’s birth certificate.”
rephrase it & submit 2!! one for EACH hospital! these need to be laser specific!
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“I request an electronic copy of the proof offered to establish/verify ‘Date of Birth’ as required, for an amendment to be made to President Obama’s birth certificate.”
yet why not make your UIPA contain the exact DOB as allegedly known? THEN see what your response is…..once again “laser specific” NO wiggle room.!
juls said:
“I request an electronic copy of the proof offered to establish/verify ‘Date of Birth’ as required, for an amendment to be made to President Obama’s birth certificate.”
Funny, but when I input “President Obama’s” into this DOH database, nobody has a first name of “president” or the surname “obama’s” — DENIED.
Try being “laser specific”, and consider a temp worker is handling your request. Don’t make them or the computer think or try to read your mind. They are very busy, they type 10,000 keystrokes per hour, they get paid by the hour, their eyes are tired, and they do not care about you one bit.
Try:
“I request an electronic copy of the proof offered to establish/verify ‘Date of Birth’ as required, for an amendment to be made to the birth certificate of:
Barack Hussein Obama.”
Barack Hussein Obama Jr
Barack Hussein Obama II
Thank you,
Sent the following UIPA requests to Okubo:
- I respectful request copies of any information or documents (on record, on file, and in any form) your agency maintains that IS publicly available to release for President Obama.
Okubo’s response:
“The department has no records that are responsive to your request.”
- I request an copy of any vital records on file with your office that exist for President Obama with a “date of birth” BEFORE August 4th, 1961. If these vital records have already been made public, please indicate where I can locate them.
- I request an copy of any vital records on file with your office that exist for President Obama with a “date of birth” AFTER August 4th, 1961. If these vital records have already been made public, please indicate where I can locate them.
Okubo’s response to both:
“Please go to http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html for instruction on how to apply for copies of vital records.
Please also note that State law prohibits the Department of Health from disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record. Direct and tangible interest is determined by HRS §338-18(b). http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm
Agencies are not required by the UIPA to disclose government records which, pursuant to state or federal law are protected from disclosure. Haw. Rev. Stat. §92F-13 (4) (Supp.1989)
For information on the law that governs vital records in the State of Hawaii , please refer to HRS §338 at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/“
MT; I did not see the word foreigner.The article is on “sexual practices and particularly same-sex desires” BUT mentions
and I quote: “rights activists paralledled by a raise in homphobic debates throughot Africa……..this project explores highlights the interplay of women’s emotional survival strtegies in postcolonial Ghana” also
“….Adult women make “supi” contracts in and outside of momosocial spaces, . As in Ghanaian heterosexual relationships, GIFTS AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT PLAY A CRUCIAL ROLE IN COURTING AND SUSTAINING THESE RELATIONSHIPS.
That last part is what caught my eye. What do you think? The two authors are at University of Ghana in Legon, Accra, Ghana.
I just tried again with no success so here is the gist of this article written by someone at the University of Ghana: The article was defining that “s” word on the photo. It says in that “s” relationship, gifts and financial support play a crucial role in courting and sustaining these relationships. I could very well be a telling clue of what was happening to SAD with regard to FRANK Marshall Davis. I am just – as you say– following a lead.
No, it does not –that I can see. It defines the ESS word in the note on the photo. I have tried again this morning to put only a very short synopsis of the ABSTRACT written by these two authors….didn’t go through. I think it is very telling when set against the backdrop of SAD’s circumstances in Settle at that time.
borderraven: What’s an I-9 form? And where can I find one?
Could Terri K just e-mail you so you can e-mail her with the info you’re trying to get posted?
If it’s not something that Terri is moderating then I would think WordPress is involved with keeping that particular message out of the public eye.
Makes me wonder, considering McAfee’s ability to mess with Leo’s site without impacting all of WordPress, if somebody in WordPress is up to no good. There are only so many people who would have access to censor posts…
Nellie; I would LUV to email this info for MT or anyone to read. I saved it in my email for fear I would never find it again. If you go to SapphireSunday 10/10/09 @ 9:56 you can see which photo and the dialogue between SS and MT. I don’t know if my take on this is on track or not. It would be interesting to know who wrote the three words there and when. If SAD did not write them and the timeline for the notation is off, then my theory is DOA :>)BUT, if she did write them and the timeline for the notation is on target, it might be a clue as to her dependence on Frank Marshall Davis. His interest in this continuing saga is speculative, at best; but, nontheless, he WAS involved with her to some degree and with her father to a great degree. I will stand down and stand by for further instructions. (if that is the correct term) Thanks for your reply.
I also think we need to get to the bottom of the “no records exist” answer to Leo’s request for the documents which were relied upon to “file” a birth event for Obama on Aug 8, 1961. I’ve clarified with him, and he was not talking about the difference between “filed” and “accepted”, nor was he talking about hospital records only. He was asking for any documents which initiated the filing of a birth event for Obama on Aug 8, 1961. They have no documents which would have caused them to file anything for Obama on Aug 8, 1961.
The obvious question is whether they DID file anything on Aug 8, 1961. If they have no documents it means they didn’t even have a request by anybody to file a birth event. So just out of the blue they decided to file a birth event. If they truly did that, they need to explain what authorizes them to do spontaneous file generation.
If they don’t spontaneously generate event records, then how did Obama get a COLB saying his information was filed on Aug 8, 1961?
If his birth record wasn’t filed on Aug 8, 1961, then when WAS it filed?
Someone said that a request for a late or delayed birth certificate came back “no records found”. Was that requested for Barack Hussein Obama II?
Seems like a first step is to find out what name(s) these requests should be requesting info for – as someone else already mentioned. Have we tested all the variations on his name and found what all they claim to have records for? Do we have any guarantees from them that if they answer a request for “President Obama” on one day that they won’t deny a request the next day because there is no record under that specific name? These people have done too much “Seussian hooplah” for me to trust them to be consistent.
Then, using the specific name(s) they say they have records for, have we asked to find out when they created a birth event record for that name?
Have we asked the definition of “late” or “delayed” birth certificate? Remember, the difference between “amended” and “supplemental” birth certificate is huge. The difference between “initial” and “original” birth certificate is also huge.
We have to find out the exact terms that the DOH is legally bound to. That may include finding out what official changes in nomenclature went into effect in June of this year. What Obama posted was called a “CertificaTION of Live Birth”, but today the same thing is called a “CertifiCATE of Live Birth”. What other changes in definitions did they institute to confuse all the issues? One of Fukino’s statements was before those definition changes and one was after.
Basically, we have to get rid of any wiggle room. They need to give answers that would constitute perjury if they were not technically correct. These questions are the closest we may ever come to a legal deposition from anybody.
If a late or delayed birth record doesn’t exist for Barack Hussein Obama II (or any other name there are records under), then the information about the birth had to be given within a year of the actual birth, which they have said is Aug 4, 1961.
Maybe we could ask for the legally-conclusive proof that was used by the DOH to say Barack Hussein Obama II was born Aug 4, 1961.
Nellie; I would very much like to email anyone who could take a look and see what, if anything, it means. Refer to Sapphire Sunday 10/10/09 beginning at 9:56. I think the name in the middle and the ess word have some meaning. I don’t know what significance it all has and it depends on WHEN it was written and WHO wrote it. If either of these don’t fit in our current investigation, then it is a moot issue. Thanks for your reponse.
Nellie; I read your post regarding DoH AFTER I sent the 2:17p.m. post; I have this feeling we are asking for information using all the wrong names. Every combination known to man of the Current Occupant of the White House has been asked for (unless I have missed something) and all get the same denial. Maybe THAT is what was amended; maybe the name was something else entirely. Do we have evidence that the name he is using was ever and original name?
How long has it been taking to get a response on a UIPA request? I sent one last Thursday and have gotten no response?
The same thought occurred to me. There are only so many pieces of information that can be amended on a birth certificate. The one that is vital to all the rest is the name. If you don’t have the right name you can’t access any of the other information through UIPA requests. On the Dunham-Obama divorce, the records were only found by using the particular variation SAD used THAT TIME: Stanley Ann D. Obama.
Another thing we’ve seen is that the DOH folks couldn’t spell the word “I” if their life depended on it.
They say they’ve got a record for Barack Hussein Obama II – but had no information on him as of Aug 8, 1961. I wonder if his original birth certificate was under a different name and the amendment was to change the name. I don’t know. It’s all so muddled. But I fear any loophole these people could possibly use. We have to close them all.
Epicurious, in your spreadsheet, are you including what variation of the name was used in the request? Maybe we need to re-ask some of these questions, making sure to use the name(s) they say they have records for.
Okay, I thought this was obvious to everyone, and I have posted it before, but the one thing that should not change is the file number – which was conveniently provided by factcheck.org. It is 151 1961- 010641. Of course, the UIPA request I made last week has not been answered yet, so maybe I am on to something.
Andy W, I was wondering what had come with that. I definitely think you’re onto something. IIRC, it’s supposed to be anwswered within 10 days. After that you deal with OIP to appeal and get a response. My fear with so many requests being made is that they will put the most “dangerous” ones at the bottom of the pile.
An update on my try at getting chapters 8, 8a, & 8b from “Public Health Regulations” from the library in Hawaii through inter-library loan: The librarian in Hawaii told my librarian to look on the DOH website. My librarian gave up.
Someone had offered to pay to have the pages copied. Anybody know what’s happened with that?
AndyW;Seems like requests are getting pretty quick responses so far; MT got 3 in one 24 hr period. (If I remember correctly) You, indeed, might be on to something. You are right -the file # might be the key; I am convinced that the name is what was amended and the reason for the registrar’s office at the state level not completing the process – mentioned by MT last night on the radio talk show –the August 8th date simply means the request was reviewed on that date but not approved at the state level.
Maybe we could request to see the doctor’s, nurse’s, or midwife’s signature offered as proof for birth record # 151 1961- 010641.
I’ve got to work now until late tonight. I’d love it if somebody could ask them for this.
We live in the era of Google. If you search for something in Google and find nothing about it, then it probably don’t exist.
For the Google-challenged, I’ll leave a link.
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf
Do you know if the 10 day statutory is 10 business days?
Andy W,
Try:
151 1961- 010641
151 61- 010641 (Nordyke twins style)
I asked whether any of the court rulings specifically mention “citizenship papers”. Do they?
That I-9 form is an employment form. We must be talking past each other here.
Does anyone have a link to the phrasing in the court documents concerning DNC “embarrassment”?
You’re supposed to allow 10 days (not sure if that’s 10 business days). If you don’t get a response, then you could contact the OIP.
I-9 Last page Column A
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf
Look and see what USCIS is
http://www.uscis.gov
[ SapphireSunday said - 10/12/2009 at 2:47 pm -- Citizenship papers? Did they specifically mention citizenship papers? I’m a NBC and I have NO “citizenship papers.” Do you? ]
Who is “they”? The quote is from the owner of (http://www.colony14.net/).
His source(?): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2112521/posts
That colony14 quote is no longer online; it’s now contained in the printed book “The Obama Timeline” ["Part 1"].
You say you are NBC, with no citizenship papers. However, I trust you were not also born with Kenyan and British citizenship before becoming a citizen of Indonesia.
[ Nellie said -- 10/13/2009 at 3:24 pm -- Maybe we could request to see the doctor’s, nurse’s, or midwife’s signature offered as proof for birth record # 151 1961- 010641. ]
Careful: there shouldn’t be an “original” birth record “# 151 1961 – 010641″.
The original birth record is possibly # 151 61 10641 — (not 010641).
(For example, view the photo-image of the original 1961 Nordyke Twins Long Form Birth Certificate — http://www.google.com/advanced_image_search )
And, the name on that birth record may, or may not, be Barack Hussein Obama II.
The ‘middle 61′ probably did not change to ‘1961′ until the “Y2K issue” was fixed — about the year 2000.
Most likely the “filed” but not “accepted” Obama birth record (factcheck.org, etc.) was created, and/or amended, and/or altered AFTER the year 1998. How many other amendments or alterations were filed previously, under the ‘old’ number? Were any of these “hypotheticals” eventually “accepted”? Are there “layers” of alterations and/or amendments — due to multiple “corrections” — and/or adoptions, etc.?
[SapphireSunday said -- 10/13/2009 at 3:50 pm -- Does anyone have a link to the phrasing in the court documents concerning DNC “embarrassment”?]
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/
Case Document #18 — see pages 7 and 14-16 –
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/18/0.pdf
Appears to be the name of the neighborhood in which she was living, called Pontius Frank. See link below.
http://seattle.blockshopper.com/subdivisions/pontius_frank
Appears to be the name of the neighborhood in which she was living, called “Pontius Frank”. I cannot make out what that 3rd word is on the photo.
See link below.
http://seattle.blockshopper.com/subdivisions/pontius_frank
Appears to be the name of the neighborhood in which she was living, called “Pontius Frank”. See link below.
Not able to specualte why “supi” followed Pontius Frank.
http://seattle.blockshopper.com/subdivisions/pontius_frank
Appears to be the name of the neighborhood in which she was living, called “Pontius Frank”. No speculation as to why the “supi” is noted.
See link below.
http://seattle.blockshopper.com/subdivisions/pontius_frank
Stanley Armour Dunham [BHO Jr's grandmother] [MT: I believe you meant 'grandfather']
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=25406984
my bad he was the grandfather
Barry “O’Bomber” Obama
http://i.abcnews.com/Nightline/story?id=3082803&page=1
Barry Obama was a naughty boy in Jakarta.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/01/was_young_barry_obama_really_t.html
Barry Soetoro vs Barrack Obama
It’s been discovered that Barry Soetoro has another name, Barrack Hussein Obama.
Mr. Soetoro is an Indonesian citizen and a Muslim that was born in Hawaii.
Interestingly, Barrack Hussein Obama is an American citizen and a Christian that was born in Hawaii. Hmmmmmm
Who is running for President? Who is this guy?
This AP photo is compelling evidence of the following assertions:
1. Barack Obama had Indonesian citizenship
2. Barack Obama had the legal name Barry Soetoro
3. Barack Obama was a Muslim, despite his “fight the smears” claim that he never has been.
In addition, it means that Barack Obama apparently lied to the Illinois Supreme Court when asked to provide former names.
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/elections-candidates/19321-barry-soetoro-vs-barrack-obama.html
http://chicagoagainstobama.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/barack-obama-formerly-known-as-barry-soetoro/
BARACK OBAMA, FORMERLY KNOWN AS BARRY SOETORO
Nothing scandalous…..just interesting.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0703250340mar25,1,4608161.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed
This is old research, and has been public knowledge for quite some time, but for some reason very few seem to know Obama’s actual background……probably b/c most members of the media prefer the Axelrod crafted story, as opposed to the truth….Chris Matthews talks about Obama’s rough childhood, quite frequently……while doing so, he seems to leave out the part that his PhD mother, who previously had been married to a Harvard PhD (Barry sr.), remarried a wealthy oil executive, named Lolo Soetoro.
When Barack and his mother lived in Indonesia, with Oil exec Lolo, he went by the name Barry Soetoro.
just the truth…….Obama never seems to mention this……..wonder why?…..
PS
I may be changing the name of this site to Chicagoans Against Soetoro…..
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SapphireSunday; I am catching onto how to post and how to “reply” I left a message or two regarding the “Frank” and other notes on the photo buried somewhere here. I don’t know if you saw them or not; or if you have found your answer. I,too, had problems with msgs. going to spam…but MT diabled some moderation barricades and one or two of my msgs got through. I commented here or on the Awakening thread. I would like for you to see what I found and perhaps the link. Might means something, might not; but that pretty much is what we are all doing at this point == looking at everything.
So do you think that there are different document numbers for before and after Y2K? Or do they give a different number for an amended record?
I sure wish we could get ahold of the administrative rules they follow there – as they are required by their own laws to provide in person at their office and copies of anybody who asks for it and pays a copy and mailing fee.
[Nellie said -- 10/14/2009 at 12:08 am -- So do you think that there are different document numbers for before and after Y2K? ...]
before Y2K — 151 61 10641
after Y2K — 151 1961 – 010641
(added: ‘19′ & ‘hyphen-space-zero’)
Who knows if the records filed under the old and new numbering systems are “automatically” linked?
If you ask for only one of these (and want the other or both), that could be all they are “required” to respond to. They’re likely to be very busy right now, and they may look for any reason to reject a non-specific request.
[... Or do they give a different number for an amended record?]
Probably only depends if before or after Y2K.
A NBC person under age of majority would not lose NBC on enrollment in a school in Indonesia, regardless of the practice of declaring that person an Indonesian citizen. But could, on application, reclaim NBC, after reaching age of majority, and entering the USA.
Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939): The U.S. Supreme Court concluded that Marie Elizabeth Elg, who was born in the United States of Swedish parents naturalized in the United States, had not lost her birthright U.S. citizenship because of her removal during minority to Sweden and was entitled to all the rights and privileges of that U.S. citizenship. In this case, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the decree that declared Elg “to be a natural born citizen of the United States.”
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=307&invol=325
Look. Here is the request I made:
—————————————————
I request an electronic copy of index data for file number 151 1961- 010641. According to Hawaiian statute 338-18(d), “Index data consisting of name, age, and sex of the registrant and date, type and file number of the vital event and such other data as the director may authorize may be made available to the public.”
So please include, at a minimum, the name, age and sex of the registrant and the date and type of the indexed event. If there is more than one index entry with this file number, please include only the first and earliest filed entry.
————————————————
Now, if they tell me they have nothing then I have proof from there office that Obama’s factcheck.org COLB is a forgery. You notice that I only asked for the “first and earliest filed” index entry. I did this because if you request index data for Barack Obama, they will only return the most recent – in other words, the one that has been amended. I asked for the earliest index record on that file number. If they are trying to hide something, they are screwed because they cannot deny this request for public information. They also cannot tell me it doesn’t exist because then Obama is a forger. They have to send me the exact elements I have asked for because the OIP lists these elements as publically available index data. I have seen other people ask for index data and get name and sex and that it was a birth – they left out age of registrant, date, and file number. There is therefore something they are trying to hide in one of those fields. The fact that it has now been a week and they have not responded tells me that I am asking the right question. I will be sending a complaint to the OIP next week (when ten business days have elapsed).
http://www.freebase.com/view/en/barack_obama_sr
http://www.freebase.com/view/en/barack_obama
Mike; that has got to be it. Thanks. That puts that to rest, I think. Now…moving right along….to the next mystery.
I don’t see anything from you that’s not posted…
Are things working better for you now?
he was born on a boat ;0
The Honolulu Advertiser Jan 8 2008
“Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai’i-raised Punahou graduate Obama have “a kama’aina connection” Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia”
Free Republic
“,one of Stanley Ann Dunham’s classmates from Mercer, Island let something slip: Stanley Ann Dunham had sent her a post-card from a ship. In February, 1961. Imagine That”
on Bay of Pigs
“I’m grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things I did when I was three years old”
How can you one be 9 in 1969 if born in 1961.
1959 Photo
Stanley in photo with arrivals from Black Star line
No one knows where Ann was for months,…maybe because she was on a boat coming and going to Africa.
[Or to and from the Hawaiian Islands. The Queen wrote about her own trips on ships that made me think she may have had a child on one of those trips.. Honestly, I think we would do well now to explore the possibility that he was born in Hawaii and why he would still hide records around that fact.
One of those reasons might be this: A few years back i had a friend who is a Native Hawaiian and he asked me if I would forge over his College Report card. He had to keep his grades at a level to qualify for scholarships as a native american....
I think people are missing the truth because it's easier to talk about the problems with him not being born in Hawaii. Sorry but I do. People seem to want to reject this altogether. Not me though. There may still be issues if he was born in Hawaii. He was said to have lived on PRIVATE TRUST LAND. Land that is not a part of the U.S. in any legal sense.=)
Also, look at the Bishop Trust Co. They (the Royals) own the land--if Obama is part of the royal family and his family have been buying land all over the U.S., does that make the new land acquired exempt from federal law? Is this part of the plan?]
Do you have links for this information?
[I have many links and pdfs on all this info. There's so much to find on the web--please just start digging around.
What in particular are you wanting to start with and I can provide you a link to begin....]
So are you saying that maybe Obama was born to a native Queen on a boat or private trust land and adopted out to Ann Dunham to hide his royal lineage?
Or maybe that he was born a Hawaii native and wanted to hide it because his grades weren’t good enough for him to get the scholarships he got?
My brain isn’t working very well this morning. The thing that’s crazy is that the answers we get from Hawaii should be focusing the possibilities but instead they are telling us nothing.
As far as I know, the only index records we have use the name Barack Hussein Obama II. We don’t even know when or how the DOH first got wind of somebody named Barack Hussein Obama II. The date of filing shown on the online COLB with that name has been denied by the DOH. Do you know what information we’ve received that is specifically on Barack Hussein Obama II?
[MT: I am saying that he could have been born to Native Hawaiian Royalty. If he was adopted, it may have been hidden in a simple marriage to another indigenous man from another 'colonialized' place on this earth (Africa). That would make his legal mother his natural mother, but the father gets a question mark.
BHO Sr. as the originating father on the BC gives him British and African Nationality. His adoption as Barack Black Crow gives him American Nationality legally (Native American.) Lolo may have given him 'Asian' nationlity, does he have Middle Eastern nationality from an adoption in Pakistan or elsewhere? Perhaps.
I am saying he has ONLY nationality and indigenous qualities, NO citizenship whatsoever if he was born on Private Trust land in the bloodline of the Hawaiian Royals.
I am saying he is a CITIZEN OF THE WORLD. With GLOBAL NATIONALITY.
It's all right in front of our faces if we choose to see it. The Royal Dynasty appear to have been incredibly smart at politics. Their efforts to adopt out their children in order to teach them harmony among other tribes speaka to their advanced attitudes.
Queen Liliuokalani and her advisers recognized the illegality of what the U.S. did in 1892-3 immediately and created an 'out.' for themselves. Then they built a Private Trust that would recognize a person with the pre-1800 bloodline when the time came. Hawaii is going to have the last laugh on this.
If this all turns out to be true...I don't know what to think. Who am I to judge? Certainly the Royal Hawaiians were by and large good, happy and nice people from what I can tell. Their way is just compltely new to me.
They are so smart and confident they would continue their rule int he future that they created a school system for real Native Hawaiians with an amount of quantum native blood, and that school's mission is to perpetuate the history and culture. To keep it alive in the interim, so to speak.
Obama went to Punahou with another bloodline royal. Native Hawaii has asked for the federal government to recognize the official status of 'Native Hawaiians.'
HS R 593 does just that after 50 years of asking. Notice they say this man is a 'Native Hawaiian' NOT a 'Native American':
("1) the first Native Hawaiian member to serve in Congress, Prince Jonah Kuhio Kalaniana‘ole"
Furthermore, look at the Akaka Bill and other bills introduced that have failed. Subtly many things they have been asking for were hidden in the HS R 593 from July 28the this year. That bill gives our president U.S. NATIONALITY. Not citizenship if that theory pans out--and I think it will.
When Fukino says "natural-born" American citizen, she means "natural-born Hawaiian" and American (not U.S.) Citizen. He was essentially born on land that was exempted from STATE status--more like territorial land or sovereign even.
I am going to post all this separately so people can understand all that I have put together. I hae all whole different set of research on how he may avoided gathering up a bunch of citizenships with the nationalities he fanagled.
Again, he's told us who he is, he's a 'citizen of the world.' I don't believe he was lying one bit about that.=) I have to tell you as wierd as Frank Marshall Davis is, he was no racist. He believed, too, that all races (for lack of a more clear word) should live harmoniously and fully integrated. He was married to a white woman. I can't say I disagree with his point.=)]
I was wondering if Yolomann had a link for the photo of Ann Dunham with the people coming off the ship and the admission of a classmate that Ann had sent a postcard from a ship in Feb of 1961.
[MT: Ah ok. I still think it's time to start thinking about Obama actually having been born in Hawaii, just for the record. If I believe one thing that Hawaii said (He filed to make an amendment) then I have to believe it all. To cherrypick would not be reasonable or logical. The theory I have nailed down fits with EVERY fact we have been told.
I don't care how 'out there' it sounds either.=)]
What happened to the link to Youtube? It was right under the Bay of Pigs quote?
MT, I’m okay with HI too. I actually lean that way but unfortunately, it’s just a theory too. I hope the research will give us more facts.
I made the previous post because the title of this blog was maybe he wasn’t born on Aug 4. There is enough circumstantial evidence to support that he was not. I have found as many sources that say his parents were born in 1960 as 1961. You would have thought he would have had the date right in his autobiography.
The only reason I followed this to begin with was that there WAS enough evidence for the citizens to ask for clarifications and supporting documentation and we were ignored (or called bad names)…after all McCain had to open up, why not Obama. (just for the record, I didn’t vote for either in the final election, I’m a fringe centrist).
YOLO
ps)its sad Roger Calero was on the ballet in 5 states (convicted felon with a green card). That’s another reason I’m no longer silent.
[Actually, we have TONS of facts to support this theory--I disagree. I have a MOUNTAIN of facts I have been researching that got me to this point. For two months I have been putting together a pattern that fits with WELL KNOWN facts.
There are records to support his bloodline or quantum bloodline, there HAVE to be for him to claim his Birthright if he is indeed native hawaiian. I just have to figure out who to ask and what to ask for. Maybe I will just ask Obama himself.=)]
I am posting this by itself so everyone can know where I am exactly. I plan to present a lengthy article with maps, citations–all of it. It all has to come at once and be fairly well put together. This is what I just wrote to Nellie:
“I am saying that he could have been born to Native Hawaiian Royalty. If he was adopted, it may have been hidden in a simple marriage to another indigenous man from another ‘colonialized’ place on this earth (Africa). That would make his legal mother his natural mother, but the father gets a question mark.
BHO Sr. as the originating father on the BC gives him British and African Nationality. His adoption as Barack Black Crow gives him American Nationality legally (Native American.) Lolo may have given him ‘Asian’ nationality, does he have Middle Eastern nationality from an adoption in Pakistan or elsewhere? Perhaps.
I am saying he has ONLY nationality and indigenous qualities, NO citizenship whatsoever if he was born on Private Trust land in the bloodline of the Hawaiian Royals.
I am saying he is a CITIZEN OF THE WORLD. With GLOBAL NATIONALITY.
It’s all right in front of our faces if we choose to see it. The Royal Dynasty appear to have been incredibly smart at politics. Their efforts to adopt out their children in order to teach them harmony among other tribes speaks to their advanced attitudes.
Queen Liliuokalani and her advisers recognized the illegality of what the U.S. did in 1892-3 immediately and created an ‘out.’ for themselves. Then they built a Private Trust that would recognize a person with the pre-1800 bloodline when the time came. Queen Liliuokalani was bullied with threats of death to her people into signing the agreement to cede their land. She signed it under duress which violated a peaceful treaty with the U.S. from 1850. The UN did not protect Hawaii and they were upset by that. Hawaii is going to have the last laugh on this.
If this all turns out to be true…I don’t know what to think. Who am I to judge? Certainly the Royal Hawaiians were by and large good, happy and nice people from what I can tell. Their way is just completely new to me.
They are so smart and confident they would continue their rule in the future that they created a school system for real Native Hawaiians with an amount of quantum native blood, and that school’s mission is to perpetuate the history and culture. To keep it alive in the interim, so to speak.
Obama went to Punahou with another bloodline royal. It was part of the Royal School. Native Hawaiians have asked for the federal government to recognize the official status of ‘Native Hawaiians.’
HS R 593 does just that after 50 years of asking. Notice they say this man is a ‘Native Hawaiian’ NOT a ‘Native American’:
(“1) the first Native Hawaiian member to serve in Congress, Prince Jonah Kuhio Kalaniana‘ole”
Furthermore, look at the Akaka Bill and other bills introduced that have failed. Subtly many things they have been asking for were hidden in the HS R 593 from July 28 of this year. That bill gives our president U.S. NATIONALITY. Not citizenship if this theory pans out–and I think it will. America Samoa is like this in that they too only give a person U.S. Nationality.
When Fukino says “natural-born” American citizen, she means “natural-born Hawaiian” and American (not U.S.) Citizen. He was essentially born on land that was exempted from STATE status–more like territorial land or sovereign even.
I have all whole different set of research on how he may avoided gathering up a bunch of citizenships with the nationalities he fanagled.
Again, he’s told us who he is, he’s a ‘citizen of the world.’ I don’t believe he was lying one bit about that.=) I have to tell you as weird as Frank Marshall Davis is, he was no racist. He believed, too, that all races (for lack of a more clear word) should live harmoniously and fully integrated. He was married to a white woman. I can’t say I disagree with his point.
There ARE records to support his bloodline or quantum bloodline, there HAVE to be for him to claim his Birthright if he is indeed Native Hawaiian. I just have to figure out who to ask and what to ask for.”
LIke here: http://www.kauinoa.org/faq.php
Or here: http://www.oha.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=7&id=33&Itemid=116
Or here: http://www.bishopmuseum.org/
There are alot of possiblities presenting themselves. It could even be time to ask BHO himself as well.=)”
[UPDATE: If he changed his birth place from 'at home' to 'Kapiolani hospital'--then we have a deal breaker or game changer at the very least.]
I think your initial request regarding an amended birth certificate for “President Obama” surprised them and they responded to you according to what you meant rather than by technical details.
Since then, they’ve been inundated with specific requests from people who know they are required to answer. As somebody else mentioned, they probably have hired temp workers who are punching in exact keystrokes. I think we need to be careful that what we ask closes any loopholes.
We know they’re hiding their administrative rules which would shed light on terminology and procedures. We know that in mid-June they changed their policy of giving certified copies of original birth certificates and switched the name of the CertificaTION of Live Birth to CertifiCATE of Live Birth without going through the required amendment process. We know they’ve hidden the AG opinion which resulted in the July 27th statement. Basically we know they’re doing everything they can to obscure the truth rather than reveal it as required by law.
We also know that the Dunham-Obama divorce records were only found when searched by the name SAD used THAT TIME: Stanley Ann D. Obama. If she was able to hide behind a “D.” – which is probably not her legal name, it tells us that she at least was willing to use extra-legal names on legal documents. In Seattle she was registered as “Mrs. Anna Obama”. And when you look at all the social security numbers, land acquisitions, and salaries that go under misspellings of Obama, Soetoro, Barack, Barak, etc… I think this is the modus operandi that is consistent through all the records we have. I think we ignore these “technicalities” at our peril.
Factor in that Obama became an Illinois senator by disqualifying his own friend/mentor’s petition signatures on technicalities like maiden vs married name on the registration, etc and was elected US Senator by forcing his opponent’s divorce records to be unsealed against the wishes of the wife for the sake of the children…. I think we underestimate what these people will do. I think we need to remove any temptation for them to play less than fair.
Distractions. It’s what you’ve seen in this whole process. Let’s not allow them any wiggle room to give us distractions.
[MT: Distractions and surprisingly....a LOT of truth..]
Going viral????
“Barack Obama and State of Hawaii on the ropes.”
October 14, 10:23 AM Portland Civil Rights Examiner Dianna Cotter
http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m10d14-Barack-Obama-and-State-of-Hawaii-on-the-ropes
YOu may well be right. I think AG Mark Bennett’s opinion letter would be vital to understanding the ins and outs as they understand them. It also fits in well with Obama’s own claim to be a NATIVE US citizen.
The more I see of the Lilliputian word games and legal loopholes, the less I trust any of the government scum.
Barack Obama signed a statement in Arizona saying he is a natural born US citizen and eligible to be the president of the United States. He needs to be deposed for the crime of perjury and in his deposition needs to be asked pointed questions about why he has been obfuscating at every turn.
Thank you for correcting me…i have not seen those facts…if I grew up in HI, I’m sure Obama and I would have been rat-ballers together…
[MT: I just want to know the truth and be given credit for understanding and accepting it if this theory is the truth. I am an honest decent person, I deserve no less. As a woman, I have dealt with my own oppression--it's part of what drives me to uncover the truth.]
I am going to disappear for a while and start putting this all together..
If you get moderated, try reducing the number of your links or disguising them….
Have fun! I will try to check in and click through posts that are hung up and let them through. I won’t likely be answering anything though…
It’s time to put this stuff together so I can make my next records requests…
BTW: I did find this on Princess Abigail:
Princess Abigail survives today and is the president of “friends of Iolani Palace”,
(preserving the palace of Hawaii’s royalty).
Preserving it for who? A close relative?
Nellie; the photo I saw was of Stanley, the father, not Stanley, the daughter – who was with BO,Sr. supposedly coming off the Black Star Line.
Here’s a video of her in March 2009 speaking about a case that she is taking personally to the United States Supreme Court…
http://kgmb9.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15526&Itemid=245
Scroll down to the 3rd video where she peaks directly to the issue of “ceded lands”.
If any of this is true, no wonder he has a complex.
Seriously, if BHO Sr. is listed on his BC as his father, then BHO Sr. IS his legal father. If he was indeed born on native Hawaiian land, then wouldn’t that be as if he was born in another country, like Kenya?
So, if his mother was too young to pass citizenship under the laws in force at that time, then he would be solely a British subject. Right?
{MT: I am still working on researching the land at the time of his birth, etc…but yes…]
From TeoBear via drkatesview:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
A 2004 news article that appears to have gone to the AP wire, referring to Obama as “Kenyan-born”.
OMG!! That is incredible. First, I thought she was surely deceased, but couldn’t find any notice of death – just birthdate. Thank you, Mike, so much for showing us this video. I am confident that the SCOTUS will ignore her or side against her; She will most likely not last to see the decision. Hopefull, MT can dig in this treasure trove and possibly find information from Princess Abigail or from her records. This is wondersul.
The Royal Family of Hawaii Web Site…
Two royal lines survive today, one from the House of Kamehameha and one from the House of Kalakaua. These are ligitimate successors and heirs to the Hawaiian Throne by official orders of the rulers…these are their descendants.
http://www.keouanui.org/About.html
The Royal Family of Hawaii Web Site…
Two royal lines survive today, one from the House of Kamehameha and one from the House of Kalakaua. These are ligitimate successors and heirs to the Hawaiian Throne by official orders of the rulers…these are their descendants.
http://www.keouanui.org/About.html
STANLEY A DUNHAM
23 Mar 1918 08 Feb 1992 (V)
96826 (Honolulu, Honolulu, HI)
96826 (Honolulu, Honolulu, HI)
SSN 514-03-4824 Kansas
(V)=(Verified) Report verified with a family member or someone acting on behalf of a family member.
(P)=(Proof) Death Certificate Observed.
You can now order the SS-5 Form for deceased individuals directly from the Social Security Administration online at https://secure.ssa.gov/apps9/eFOIA-FEWeb/internet/main.jsp
MT; I just now saw your post today 10-14; 1:00p.m. asking if my posts were working out better. Yes, thank you. Sometime after you mentioned the block of certain words, I reposted and got through. We solved the “Pontius Frank Supi” mystery and are moving on. Kinda like pickin cotton: “After these next 18 rows, we’ll be halfway through” :>)
Bill Kingsbury: Who are they? They are the people who said the DNC would suffer “embarrassment” if the BC is revealed.
What I wanted to know is where that author got that information? That is, is it IN a court document, where the O-lawyers specifically make that claim about DNC embarrassment?
Yes, I’m a NBC and have no “citizenship papers” that I know of. Exactly my point.
But it depends upon what the meaning of “citizenship papers”, as used by that writer, means.
Would I have citizenship papers only if I were born elsewhere or had emigrated to another country?
IF Obama’s lawyers mentioned such papers, then can’t we assume it’s an admission of foreign birth or other citizenships?
peloton: Sorry. I just now found your comments. I thing “supi” probably is short for “superintendent”. It might be “supl”. I can’t make it out. But MT already found that there was a man named Frank Pontius and I found that he owned land in that area in 1945. That’s a flat/apartment building, so maybe he owned it and was the landlord.
[SapphireSunday said -- 10/15/2009 at 12:04 pm -- [...] the people who said the DNC would suffer “embarrassment” if the BC is revealed. What I wanted to know is where that author got that information? That is, is it IN a court document, where the O-lawyers specifically make that claim about DNC embarrassment?]
The opposite: attorney Berg (suing Obama) said that such embarrassment did not exist. The O-lawyers apparently did not made that claim, or use those words — but those reports had things reversed.
Read Berg’s words on pages 7 and 14-16 in this PDF:
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/18/0.pdf
Bill, I was the one talking about that and the embarrassment, but I can’t find it in the court documents. Back in March, I read that on the Obama File before Beckwith took it down. It was either March 4th or March 6th in the latest news section. Since he’s put his website back up again, I’ve searched for it and can’t find it. Where did he get it? I don’t know, but I did write him. I just haven’t received a response back.
“SapphireSunday said
10/15/2009 at 12:55 pm
peloton: Sorry. I just now found your comments. I thing “supi” probably is short for “superintendent”. It might be “supl”. I can’t make it out. But MT already found that there was a man named Frank Pontius and I found that he owned land in that area in 1945. That’s a flat/apartment building, so maybe he owned it and was the landlord.
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If you go to my original link which is a search engine for properties in the Seattle area. Click at the top of the page under “Area” and you will see the various subdivisions broken down. There is a “Pontius Frank”, “Pontius Lincoln” and “Pontius” subdivision.
Once again cannot speculate as to what is meant by the reference “supi”.
[Hmmm...one quick google pulls up a 'Frank P. BISHOP' b. 1901. Frank Pontius?
I say this because now the property and real estate thing has me fascinated, berkley, seattle, there are a lot of Chicago ties too.
BTW, look at this photo of what I think is the FMD family line, first Isaac Young (married to Queen Ruth), the second is the photo of Queen Ruth...: you may have already seen her...
Also, I believe they are the ones to have gone to Chicago...]
[kittycat said -- 10/15/2009 at 1:07 pm -- Bill, I was the one talking about that and the embarrassment, but I can’t find it in the court documents. Back in March, I read that on the Obama File before Beckwith took it down. ... I’ve searched for it and can’t find it. Where did he get it?]
Apparently it was the same quote as found here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2112521/posts
…which was from: http://allthenewsthatfits.wordpress.com
However, that blog deleted that ~10/22/2008 article (too many errors??). Quote (from freerepublic.):
“… Barack Obama and the DNC failed to respond to Berg’s filing of Sep. 15 within the required 30 days, which means they ADMITTED to all the charges in the filing by default. When they did not respond in any manner to any of the requests for information or documention the judge extended their deadline, and they then filed a motion for DISMISSAL and for a PROTECTIVE ORDER.
” Their reasoning for requesting a protective order is that revealing the information (birth certificate, passports, citizenship in other countries) would “cause a defined and serious injury” to Obama and/or the DNC. They say revealing these documents raises a “legitimate privacy concern” and the above mentioned risk that “particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation.” (emphasis added) Then they claim Berg has no standing to ask for it. …”
The problem with obama’s ‘certification of live birth’ is NOTHING ABOUT IT CAN BE VERIFIED!
(Original Long form certificate indicates this critical information missing on the certification obama posted)
(6C) Name of Hospital or Institution, If not in hospital or institution, give street address.
This is critical information that obama will not reveal. Why? Where was obama born? According to Hawaii law he could have been born out of the country and Hawaii would still have issued a birth certificate. So this is crucial information that would reveal if obama was born in Hawaii or not.
* In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.
*( This means obama could have been born in Kenya or anywhere else)
**This also is possible scenario for obama. Obama could have requested a certificate of live birth HIMSELF years later. Any ADULT could have requested a colb also. It just says ADULT. It doesn’t say relative. So Hillary Clinton or ANY adult could have requested and been issued a colb for obama if the Lieutenant Governor of Hawaii was satisfied.
**If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
***Any ADULT could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, of which an endorsement, item (23) would be required on the LONG-FORM CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH which obama rufuses to produce. A summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the ACCCEPTANCE for delayed filing. This EVIDENCE must be kept in a SPECIAL PERMANENT FILE. Also a judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence must determine if the evidence is valid. Who if anyone reviewd obama’s evidence? Who determined it was valid if he or someone filed for a ‘delayed certificate’?
***In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, an adult could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, which required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
****(6C) Name of Hospital or Institution is only on the ‘certificate of live birth’ long form original. This is not indicated on the ‘certification of live birth’ obama says is his evidence he was born in Hawaii. Because obama has not provided valid proof of where he was actually ‘born’ it is just more evidence of deception. No hospital or address where obama was born but on the original colb. But as I have indicated above, ANY adult could have asked for a certificate of live birth from Hawaii and if only 1 offical determined it was valid documentation for a delayed colb it would have been issued indicating obama was born in Hawaii. So the CRITICAL information. if it exists, is in a “a special permanent file”. THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT MUST BE REVEALED TO EXPOSE THE IMPOSTER OBAMA. Also if the a ’special permanent file’ contains information on a rejection by Hawaii of the delayed colb documentation. A disagreement letter or file. This MUST BE REVEALED ALSO TO EXPOSE THE IMPOSTER OBAMA.
*****(18a) Certification of information, Parent or other informant. Only the ‘certificate of live birth will reveal this signature. Who’s signature is on obama’s original colb? Maybe his own? It could be ANY adult. Anybody.
******(19b) Certification of attendant, a doctor, midwife or “witch doctor”. Again only the ‘certificate of live birth’ will reveal this signature also. Who “birthed” obama? This is the REAL “BIRTHER”. Who is this ‘birther’? Only the “birthers” know who attended obama’s birth.
*******(20) Date ACCEPTED BY LOCAL REGISTRAR. The long form original ‘certificate of live birth’ indicates this information. What is his or her name?
********(22) Date accepted by Reg. General. This is just another indication the original colb has been accepted. What is the date on obama’s original colb?
*********(23) Evidence of delayed filing or alteration. This is the mother of all questions obama will not reveal. What does his original ‘certificate of live birth’ reveal?
Has his original colb been altered or filed on a delayed basis. WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE?
Obama’s ‘certification of live birth’ does not indicate this information therfore the colb obama posted on the web CANNOT BE VERIFIED IN ANY WAY. It is an empty document to match his empty suit.
*********(3,4) Does obama have a twin? This would indicate he has a brother or sister not yet revealed to the public. A possibility because the public has not seen obama’s original long form colb. If he does is he/she still alive? Who is he/she? (This would only be a bombshell if obama’s long form indicated this and obama assumed the ‘others’ identity.)
Otherwise it isn’t important.
(A little birther humor here.) Down the “rabbid hole on that idea”.
Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?
As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
* A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and
1. has become legally adopted, or
2. has undergone a sex change operation, or
3. a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
4. previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.
* A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.
……………………………………………………………………………..
Summary: 4 pieces of critical information to determine who obama really is:
(1) original certificate of live birth, not a certification of live birth. Because item (23) would indicate if the colb was a delayed colb. This information cannot be acertained from the limited information on the ‘certification of live birth’ obama has published on the web.
(2) The ’special permanent file’ information, if it exists.
(3) The name of the hospital or address where obama was actually born. This is only indicated on the long form ‘certificate of live birth’. But remember this information is only as good as the documentation contained in the ’special permanent file’, if it exists.
(4) The information indicating obama’s ‘legal parents’ had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child. If this happened. Evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The documentation provided to Hawaii is all important. It doesn’t matter who submitted it obama or “ANY ADULT”. Any certificate of live birth issued by Hawaii is only as good as the documentation backing it up. If the documentation is FLAWED obama’s colb is flaed and not VALID. This means obama is a FRAUD or IMPOSTER. No one including obama has proven who he is or where he was born up to this point.
( IT IS AMAZING TO ME OBAMA COULD HAVE BEEN BORN OUT OF THE US AND STILL HAWAII WOULD ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH.) Therefore if this has occurred the original colb must be made public to assertain what path obama or ANY ADULT has taken to prove he is a US citizen. Obama’s online certification of live birth does not prove obama had a father or mother or where he was born or when. Because it has NOT BEEN VALIDATED. It will only be valided when we the American people are allowed to know what files Hawaii maintains concerning the birth of obama. Until Hawaii reveals critical HIDDEN records of who obama is no one in the world can validate obama’s online colb.
Do your agree TeeryK?
It says “* In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.”
So tell me, if BHO was born in 1982, would he be eligible to be president today?
[Will you send me this link, I have never seen anything like this before...this part, I mean:
HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State,
That's what it may mean if he was born on 'homestead' land.]
The thing about that 1982 law is that it established a residency requirement for the parents, in order to file for a Hawaii certificate. Prior to that, there would have been no residency requirement and you could simply file for a birth certificate regardless of how long you had lived in Hawaii.
How is the 1982 law relevant to Barack Obama, since he was purported to be born in 1961? Did, he use the alien time-machine hidden in Area-51 to go back to 1982? Why mention a law that did not come out until 19 years after a birth? Are you alleging criminal activity to fraudulently obtain a Hawaii BC, for a child born overseas?
I think the whole issue of Hawaiian bloodlines and Obama is another red herring. His family had no ties to Hawaii and, in fact, lived there less than a year when he was born. [SNIP]
[MT: We are finding MANY links to Hawaii. Please take the Born in Kenya BS elsewhere...]
Sorry this is the correct site for screenshot thank you http://www.myspace.com/barackobama
It may be nothing but on his “official site” one would expect his age to be correct, but it’s not. Was he born in 1961 or 1957. The distinction is important regarding Hawaiian statehood.
MT,
This came in email, with no certificate number, and other obvious discrepancies. Photo copiers can lighten and darken contrast and wash out light green or blue.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21322085/Cert
FAKE BHO BC
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21333499/Fake-Cert
Name “cert.pdf”
Can “public persons” hide behind the “embarrassment” clause?
Until signatures can be verified we will call this
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21333499/Fake-Cert
An signatures for comparison would be nice to see.
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BR
Dear Miss Tickly:
Based on your research, can you provide a timeline on each BHO Sr, SAD, and BHO II?
Also, has any thing surfaced regarding marriage license or marriages recorded at city, county, island or state levels?
Thank you for your research.
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BR
OK,I’d be surprised if this had not been brought up before, but I’d never heard it so…here goes, if anyone has any leads on this I suggest they run with it/them…
Found a reference on another website (which I lost while chasing links…) to page 123 of Dreams from my Father in which BHO talks about attending the movie Black Orpheus with his mother/sister, because his mother loved it when she saw it in 1959 when SHE WAS IN CHICAGO AS AN AU PAIR the summer she was 16, AFTER she had been accepted at U. of Chicago. Black Orpheus won a prize at the 1959 Cannes Film Festival; that is in July…so I thought it’s unlikely it was released nationally that summer, right? Then I found THIS: http://www.movietome.com/movie/360248/black-orpheus/index.html giving the release date as Dec, 1959. As the guy in the first website pointed out, it’s unlikely she would have mistaken WINTER in Chicago for Summer…so it must have been SUMMER 1960 when she was an au pair in CHICAGO?????? Also, it doesn’t seem like she would have been already accepted to a University a full year before she graduated from h.s., but, regardless, according to this she couldn’t have seen that movie in Summer, 1959 in Chicago. And has anyone figured out for whom she was the au pair? This seems like it could be significant.
… has anyone figured out for whom she was the au pair? …
Some theories:
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2009/09/communist-frank-marshall-davis-obamas.html
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2009/09/did-stanley-ann-dunham-really-work-as.html
Bill Kingsbury: Thanks, belatedly, for tipping me to the place in the Berg transcript that addresses embarrassment. It is interesting how people distort what they read. The transcript does specifically seem to indicate that the defendants do NOT claim any particular embarrassment involved with release of the documents. However, perhaps subsequent filings did make that claim? I have not read these transcripts. If anyone can point to a place where Obama or the DNC makes a claim of embarrassment, plese let us know. I’m not on Obama’s side, but I AM on the side of truth. It does not serve us well to spread false rumors.
Obama Records are hard to come by. At my new blog my posts will concentrate on outing the imposter in a documented way. I am thankful some people think and don’t believe the state run media lies. Obama is a lawyer who uses misdirection and deception to reach his goals. My first post is about how obama got elected through affirmative action when it seems he had no qualification other than race. This is why I believe his records are hidden. If his paper trail is revealed, it will indicate a slothful individual who used ac to propel himself to the forefront of a teleprompter. Inside the shell of obama lies a hollow soul empty of reality but full of narcism and deception.
I hope you can reveal the imposter misstickly before its to late.
It said, “I hope you can reveal the imposter misstickly before its to late.”
Ummm, from the structure of that sentence, one might infer the “imposter” is misstickly.
Of course we know better.
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BR
Can anyone tell me if this will do any good since no Judge will take it to trial. It’s been a bad day today and I’m a bit down since Judge Carter dismissed the case against Barry. It is a sad day in America.
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I looked at my state’s laws concerning requirements of the candidates and Secretary of State, regarding how names get put on or removed from ballots for primary elections, notices, affidavits, ensuring votes get counted, etc. I suggest you do same.
A friend in Sacramento has the task. If I get what I’m looking for, it could be a game changer.