Posted on 03/03/2025 3:55:04 AM PST by Lazamataz
Ok, so, I have a serious question.
Light is not infinitely fast, and it is the universe's speed limit.
Things that have mass cannot travel at the speed of light.
There are galaxies and objects over 93 billion light years away.
But the age of the universe is 13.8 billion years.
Even if Star A was travelling at the opposite direction of Star B, and even if it was traveling at the impossibly-fast speed of light, it could only be that the two stars are 26.6 billion light years apart.
But we see objects 93 billion light years away.
Please try to reconcile these two facts.
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To come up with the proper answer, one would have to determine the actual shape of the universe, currently that is quite impossible to determine given our earthly understanding of physics.
Who cares? But is the bong hose getting longer or shorter?
Tape measures are being replaced for many uses with laser distance measures.
So you need more money in your grant for the laser technology.
I’m not sure I trust Big Tape Measure.
So if the universe is expanding, I could by 40 acres and in a trillion years it would be 400 acres.... and my descendants would be RICH!
Just give me the freakin' grant, ya tightwad.
Nah, light being limited in speed. I'm thinking the tape measure will be far more accurate.
SCIENCE ISN'T MATH.
It never was.
And it sure isn't now.
The history of science is littered with "no wait....that's wrong...THIS is right..." going through the rinse and repeat cycle endlessly.
And that's ok. Inquiry and challenge and "being a science heretic" is, in many ways, how mankind learns more and can fix more problems.
One of my favorite sagas regarding "accuracy" and "settled science" is ulcers.
In 1981 Barry Marshall began working with Robin Warren, the Royal Perth Hospital pathologist who, two years earlier, discovered the gut could be overrun by hardy, corkscrew-shaped bacteria called Helicobacter pylori. Biopsying ulcer patients and culturing the organisms in the lab, Marshall traced not just ulcers but also stomach cancer to this gut infection. The cure, he realized, was readily available: antiÂbiotics. But mainstream gastroenterologists were dismissive, holding on to the old idea that ulcers were caused by stress.
Unable to make his case in studies with lab mice (because H. pylori affects only primates) and prohibited from experimenting on people, Marshall... ran an experiment on ...himself. He took some H. pylori from the gut of an ailing patient, stirred it into a broth, and drank it....Back in the lab, he biopsied his own gut, culturing H. pylori and proving unequivocally that bacteria were the underlying cause of ulcers.
For their work on H. pylori, Marshall and Warren shared a 2005 Nobel Prize. Today the standard of care for an ulcer is treatment with an antibiotic. Personally, I see the Hand of God in this story, and God IS in charge and ultimately is the answer, but let’s continue.
But science isn't math. Your checking account balance is the sum of deposits less sum of withdrawals. Always. Forever.
The problem arises when people try to equate science with math...usually they call it "settled science." And, to be sure, robust inquiry and disciplined application of the scientific method usually gives you clear and distinct results. Then, science is settled...until we get new data or better techniques, and then we get "wait a minute..".
For example, there was a most excellent article posted on how "settled science" wasn't so settled, wherein:
seems that Earth has been misplaced. According to a new map of the Milky Way galaxy, the Solar System's position isn't where we thought it was. Not only is it closer to the galactic centre - and the supermassive hole therein, Sagittarius A* - it's orbiting at a faster clip.
It further noted other "errors" in SCIENCE:
A good recent example of this is the red giant star Betelgeuse, which turned out to be closer to Earth than previous measurements suggested. This means that it's neither as large nor as bright as we thought. Another is the object CK Vulpeculae, a star that exploded 350 years ago. It's actually much farther away, which means that the explosion was brighter and more energetic, and requires a new explanation, since previous analyses were performed under the assumption it was relatively low energy
The other problem arises when Certain Powers work overtime to suppress assiduous inquiry. Which, is what we have today as well. It's a bad double whammy.
In the interest of full disclosure, my "science isn't math" quote came from a recent post on social sciences, that featured this brilliant give and take involving a Harvard faculty member critical of Charles Murray from the original article, that is worth reprinting - it is with regard to the "certainty of SCIENCE":
"so why should we let someone teach social science that we know to be wrong in our social science courses?"
Because it is possible that you are wrong.
Science is not mathematics. Newtonian physics was wrong. And social science is a further three rungs down in certainty from science.
Your level of certainty and arrogance about what can be said, and probably thought, smacks of religion, and not science. This is a political religion that permeates academia at the moment. And which I am fairly sure you will swear does not infect you, while the rest of us can see the symptoms quite plainly.
Only religions ban heretics from speaking because of the wrong-think they might cause. Real science loves a good heretic. In fact, honestly, the entire goal of science is to be a heretic. To have an idea that no other person ever had. Science is the pretty much the antithesis of your thought-police approach.
And most of academia used to be the antithesis of your thought police approach as well, until the religion of leftism took it over, with the direct help of people like you.
Well first, there is no way to accurately say any object is 93 billion light years away. It seems ridiculous to even suggest it.
Thus, my application for a government grant for a tape measure to measure it.
I think I could introduce enough margin-of-error to make the judge dismiss it!
Since the speed of light in a vacuum, which is approximately 186,000 miles per second is also the cosmic speed limit for any object with mass. According to the theory of relativity, it's impossible to accelerate any material object up to the speed of light because it would require an infinite amount of energy to do so.
Currently, the fastest humans have traveled through space is about 24,790 miles per hour relative to Earth, achieved by the crew of Apollo 10 on their way back from a lunar orbit in 1969.
As an object with mass approaches the speed of light, its relativistic mass increases, requiring more energy to continue accelerating. This makes it impractical to reach speeds close to the speed of light with current technology and known physics.
Thus in conclusion your question is a valid one for this layman, and science has a lot of splainin' to do to justify their calculations, I would conclude, because we are reaching numbers that are beyond my ability to calculate.
Thanks for the early morning headache. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Agree with post 19. Also, the 93 billion is the diameter of the universe. The radius is half that, which is the distance matter had to travel from the center.
If only Harris had won you could have proposed a trans TV series for Ghana which would eventually lead to the ultimate answer of the Universe. Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy already did that and came up with 42 but if they bring that up just say your aiming for a more accurate number with more decimal places.
Only an assumption - not a fact.
We are not even certain what that speed really is.
We assume the speed of light is 386,000 miles per second, but that is measuring from Point A to Point B and back, then dividing by two.
But that is assuming the speed is the same in each direction, another assumption with no proof.
Not even certain of the nature of light - particle or field?
(When I leave this place and meet my Creator, I'm gonna' say: "I got's to know")
“Thus, my application for a government grant for a tape measure to measure it.“
Filed along with my application for a patent for an electric airplane. It seems the extension cord was the issue.
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