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The Tone and Tenor of Free Republic (vanity)
Original Content | 12/30/2024 | By Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 12/30/2024 7:37:45 AM PST by Lazamataz

I've noticed, as of late, the quality of the arguments on Free Republic have declined. This is especially true as regards the H1B argument.

I have no intention of rehashing this argument, nor the points therein. I am speaking only to the tone and tenor of our forum participants.

Musk did us no favors by being so confrontational about this issue, and may have inadvertently sparked the furor. I fault him for that. I see he's trying to cool this down now, and that is to his credit.

However, it is my belief that the Deep State saw an opening and drove a wedge into it, to separate people on different sides of the argument, who normally would be backing Trump.

As I wrote elsewhere:

It's kinda amazing that the Deep State can ring a bell and we salivate like a Pavlovian dog.

You think we'd know better by now.

That point aside, repeatedly, I'm seeing a lot of posters lately are being rather personal as opposed to arguing the merits of their case. That behavior sheds a lot more heat than light.

It’s as if attorneys were to argue in court:

Atty 1: “Where’d you get your law degree, you fat loser? A crackerjack box? Your client is GUILTY and you are a blind FREAK if you can’t see that!”

Atty 2: “Oh, talk about blind! I understand you are a faggot in your personal life, too! Do you molest boys, you creep? YOU should be the one on trial!”

Judge: “Gentlemen, can we return to the facts of th...”

Atty 1: “Oh just shut the eff up, judge, and play with yourself under your robe, like you always do.”

Atty 2: “Yeah, shut up, you twatwaffle! I never liked you, now I know why!”

In short, I hope that people can dial things down a notch and present their cases with a lot less invective.

I myself have been guilty over the years of being nothing less than an online terrorist, but I do now see the errors of that path, especially here, where we are all one big family.

This is an important issue and we need to discuss it. I suggest we at least wait until our President is inaugurated, or, if it is important to discuss now, that we do so with a lot less invective. We are not Democrat Underground.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: areyouloggedin; freerepublic; h1b; hughandseries; tldr; vanity; youreinacult
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To: Lazamataz
lately are being rather personal

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. i was called a drunk,, does that count ?

we are done being scammed

we will fight for our country

we wont be talked down to and led down wordy rabbit holes with weasels who even if proven wrong with facts just circle back to their narrative talking points and add “ youre a drunk racist who cant write as sentence or spell.”

if im out of line

ban me

spit.

41 posted on 12/30/2024 8:01:25 AM PST by cuz1961 (Isaiah 53:3)
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To: Leaning Right

Your points are absolutely valid. Thanks.


42 posted on 12/30/2024 8:01:31 AM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: PeterPrinciple
We lead by example.

Thus, this very thread.

43 posted on 12/30/2024 8:02:55 AM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: RummyChick

I actually view you in the camp of those who do not attack, but instead bring facts as you see them. We may agree or disagree, but you are not unpleasant about it.


44 posted on 12/30/2024 8:04:31 AM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: Lazamataz
"This is an important issue and we need to discuss it. I suggest we at least wait until our President is inaugurated, or, if it is important to discuss now, that we do so with a lot less invective."

I will disagree. We need to sort this out before H-1B visas are handed out like Halloween candy behind our backs.

Close the barn door. Then we can talk about if we should open it.

45 posted on 12/30/2024 8:04:31 AM PST by yesthatjallen
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To: Lazamataz

Trump gave Musk and Vivek a lane…government efficiency. They need to stay in that lane.

Otherwise, like Scaramucci, they need to depart.


46 posted on 12/30/2024 8:05:06 AM PST by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: Uncle Miltie

Let’s not go back to the grassy knoll.


47 posted on 12/30/2024 8:05:17 AM PST by bray (It's not racist to be racist against races the DNC hates.)
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To: Lazamataz
It’s as if attorneys were to argue in court:

Atty 1: “Where’d you get your law degree, you fat loser? A crackerjack box? Your client is GUILTY and you are a blind FREAK if you can’t see that!”

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In all seriousness, I think FR is better than it used to be many years ago. I remember tripping into quite a few scrapes that got heated and personal back in the day.

I have noticed that there are a few people who would rather insult you than debate you, but if you ignore their insults and don't feed their troll side by attacking them back, they usually go away (which means they knew they couldn't debate in the first place), but they are rare, and they tend to stick to a few of their favorite pet topics.
48 posted on 12/30/2024 8:06:02 AM PST by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: Lazamataz

I used to suck it up with the derogatory language directed at me by the Zeepers (sometimes responding in kind, but it didn’t help), now I report it each time (and there have been results) - that seems to be the only way to deal with people who are unable to simply discuss issues in a civilized manner.

My personal theory is that, in many cases, the people I argue against regarding Ukraine actually hate conservatives and would rather not be here*, or they wouldn’t treat people who disagree with them with such a level of disdain - as, in the real world, I almost universally see those kinds of attacks coming from Leftists.

*as to why they’re here, anyone is welcome to guess at that


49 posted on 12/30/2024 8:07:00 AM PST by BobL
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To: Lazamataz

While Elon was part of getting Trump elected, he was earmarked to help with waste in the government & not immigration. He’s starting to act like he was elected president. Stay in your lane Elon.


50 posted on 12/30/2024 8:07:19 AM PST by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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To: Macoozie
We are not “one family”. We are Individuals, with loyalties and prejudices.

Fine, that is your take on it. I have a different one. I see us all as individuals, like you, but in the big family.

Still, it harms none of us to be more civil in our discussions, right?

51 posted on 12/30/2024 8:07:47 AM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: Lazamataz

Preach it!

I know people who have quit posting on FR because of this very issue.


52 posted on 12/30/2024 8:08:11 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: Lazamataz

There have always been differing opinions from differing perspectives here on FR.

Wall Street vs Main Street
Free Traitors vs Isolationists
Boot lickers vs Liberaltarians
Catholics vs Calvinists vs Mormons
Sorosites vs Putinistas
Boeing vs Lockheed
and perhaps the nastiest fights:
Pit Bulls vs anti Pit Bulls


53 posted on 12/30/2024 8:08:35 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Mean Daddy
While Elon was part of getting Trump elected, he was earmarked to help with waste in the government & not immigration. He’s starting to act like he was elected president. Stay in your lane Elon.

I can't disagree with your post. Trump might need to have a pow-wow with Elon at some point.

54 posted on 12/30/2024 8:08:52 AM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: Magnum44
If you are just now noticing, you haven’t been watching the Ukraine war threads.

That bears repeating. For some reason, instead of even trying to argue the issue of US support for Ukraine a number of posters immediately attack those who support Ukraine, and funding for Ukraine, and Ukraine's people and politicians.

Those posters may have some concern with US politics, but they have adopted the tactics of Jane Fonda and her ilk. Or they may be just repeating talking points from the Russian office of information warfare.

55 posted on 12/30/2024 8:09:18 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Lazamataz

Precisely, moderated though perhaps forceful decorum at all times.

I have likewise advocated for at least waiting until Trump and his teams are in place before going ballistic.

There’s what should be a measured and a healing inaugural address yet to come.

XOs to be signed and in force, personnel to be ousted and replaced, the setting of the new course.

Let’s not swallow whole the Democrat and main media bait and jump at every divisive article as if it is actually fact-based.

Be of good cheer, things are going to get better.


56 posted on 12/30/2024 8:10:12 AM PST by citizen (Political incrementalism is like compound interest for liberals - every little bit adds up.)
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To: Lazamataz

Good post.

I can be one of the MOST argumentative members here, but don’t really GAF about he entire H1-B thing. It needs to be looked at, but kind of a small issue given what’s going on... like America’s bankruptcy and the 20 million scumbags we need to deport.

A lot of over-reactive stupidity - much of it pushed by adversaries and never-Trumpers here on FR.


57 posted on 12/30/2024 8:10:31 AM PST by AAABEST (That time Washington DC became a corrupted, existential threat to us all...)
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To: Uncle Miltie

“Don’t let them have it. We can disagree, and set aside this one issue while we:

DESTROY THE DEEP STATE
CLOSE THE BORDER
EJECT LAWBREAKERS
ENFORCE THE LAW
DESTROY DEI
CUT SPENDING
CUT TAXES
GET OUT OF UKRAINE

And a hundred other things that matter more than H1b visas.”

Amen and exactly!


58 posted on 12/30/2024 8:11:02 AM PST by Danie_2023
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To: Sirius Lee
So, you're saying that you're a communist who hates cats and little Tiny Tim with his wee little crutch. Got it. Darth Hitler Dracula thanks you.

That is EXACTLY what I am saying! LOL

59 posted on 12/30/2024 8:11:42 AM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: Lazamataz

I don’t think you can rein in the worlds richest man who spends a lot of time posting on twitter and is subject to austic meltdowns.

He would have to allow someone else to be in control and shut him down. Maybe his mother could do it.


60 posted on 12/30/2024 8:11:55 AM PST by RummyChick
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