Posted on 12/30/2024 7:37:45 AM PST by Lazamataz
I've noticed, as of late, the quality of the arguments on Free Republic have declined. This is especially true as regards the H1B argument.
I have no intention of rehashing this argument, nor the points therein. I am speaking only to the tone and tenor of our forum participants.
Musk did us no favors by being so confrontational about this issue, and may have inadvertently sparked the furor. I fault him for that. I see he's trying to cool this down now, and that is to his credit.
However, it is my belief that the Deep State saw an opening and drove a wedge into it, to separate people on different sides of the argument, who normally would be backing Trump.
As I wrote elsewhere:
It's kinda amazing that the Deep State can ring a bell and we salivate like a Pavlovian dog.
You think we'd know better by now.
That point aside, repeatedly, I'm seeing a lot of posters lately are being rather personal as opposed to arguing the merits of their case. That behavior sheds a lot more heat than light.
It’s as if attorneys were to argue in court:
Atty 1: “Where’d you get your law degree, you fat loser? A crackerjack box? Your client is GUILTY and you are a blind FREAK if you can’t see that!”
Atty 2: “Oh, talk about blind! I understand you are a faggot in your personal life, too! Do you molest boys, you creep? YOU should be the one on trial!”
Judge: “Gentlemen, can we return to the facts of th...”
Atty 1: “Oh just shut the eff up, judge, and play with yourself under your robe, like you always do.”
Atty 2: “Yeah, shut up, you twatwaffle! I never liked you, now I know why!”
In short, I hope that people can dial things down a notch and present their cases with a lot less invective.
I myself have been guilty over the years of being nothing less than an online terrorist, but I do now see the errors of that path, especially here, where we are all one big family.
This is an important issue and we need to discuss it. I suggest we at least wait until our President is inaugurated, or, if it is important to discuss now, that we do so with a lot less invective. We are not Democrat Underground.
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. i was called a drunk,, does that count ?
we are done being scammed
we will fight for our country
we wont be talked down to and led down wordy rabbit holes with weasels who even if proven wrong with facts just circle back to their narrative talking points and add “ youre a drunk racist who cant write as sentence or spell.”
if im out of line
ban me
spit.
Your points are absolutely valid. Thanks.
Thus, this very thread.
I actually view you in the camp of those who do not attack, but instead bring facts as you see them. We may agree or disagree, but you are not unpleasant about it.
I will disagree. We need to sort this out before H-1B visas are handed out like Halloween candy behind our backs.
Close the barn door. Then we can talk about if we should open it.
Trump gave Musk and Vivek a lane…government efficiency. They need to stay in that lane.
Otherwise, like Scaramucci, they need to depart.
Let’s not go back to the grassy knoll.
I used to suck it up with the derogatory language directed at me by the Zeepers (sometimes responding in kind, but it didn’t help), now I report it each time (and there have been results) - that seems to be the only way to deal with people who are unable to simply discuss issues in a civilized manner.
My personal theory is that, in many cases, the people I argue against regarding Ukraine actually hate conservatives and would rather not be here*, or they wouldn’t treat people who disagree with them with such a level of disdain - as, in the real world, I almost universally see those kinds of attacks coming from Leftists.
*as to why they’re here, anyone is welcome to guess at that
While Elon was part of getting Trump elected, he was earmarked to help with waste in the government & not immigration. He’s starting to act like he was elected president. Stay in your lane Elon.
Fine, that is your take on it. I have a different one. I see us all as individuals, like you, but in the big family.
Still, it harms none of us to be more civil in our discussions, right?
Preach it!
I know people who have quit posting on FR because of this very issue.
There have always been differing opinions from differing perspectives here on FR.
Wall Street vs Main Street
Free Traitors vs Isolationists
Boot lickers vs Liberaltarians
Catholics vs Calvinists vs Mormons
Sorosites vs Putinistas
Boeing vs Lockheed
and perhaps the nastiest fights:
Pit Bulls vs anti Pit Bulls
I can't disagree with your post. Trump might need to have a pow-wow with Elon at some point.
That bears repeating. For some reason, instead of even trying to argue the issue of US support for Ukraine a number of posters immediately attack those who support Ukraine, and funding for Ukraine, and Ukraine's people and politicians.
Those posters may have some concern with US politics, but they have adopted the tactics of Jane Fonda and her ilk. Or they may be just repeating talking points from the Russian office of information warfare.
Precisely, moderated though perhaps forceful decorum at all times.
I have likewise advocated for at least waiting until Trump and his teams are in place before going ballistic.
There’s what should be a measured and a healing inaugural address yet to come.
XOs to be signed and in force, personnel to be ousted and replaced, the setting of the new course.
Let’s not swallow whole the Democrat and main media bait and jump at every divisive article as if it is actually fact-based.
Be of good cheer, things are going to get better.
Good post.
I can be one of the MOST argumentative members here, but don’t really GAF about he entire H1-B thing. It needs to be looked at, but kind of a small issue given what’s going on... like America’s bankruptcy and the 20 million scumbags we need to deport.
A lot of over-reactive stupidity - much of it pushed by adversaries and never-Trumpers here on FR.
“Don’t let them have it. We can disagree, and set aside this one issue while we:
DESTROY THE DEEP STATE
CLOSE THE BORDER
EJECT LAWBREAKERS
ENFORCE THE LAW
DESTROY DEI
CUT SPENDING
CUT TAXES
GET OUT OF UKRAINE
And a hundred other things that matter more than H1b visas.”
Amen and exactly!
That is EXACTLY what I am saying! LOL
I don’t think you can rein in the worlds richest man who spends a lot of time posting on twitter and is subject to austic meltdowns.
He would have to allow someone else to be in control and shut him down. Maybe his mother could do it.
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