Posted on 06/07/2023 9:15:34 AM PDT by Red Badger
Researchers announced Thursday that the timeline of Greece’s history needs to be pushed back by at least a quarter million years after a shocking discovery deep inside an open coal mine.
Archaeologists uncovered the nation’s oldest archaeological site, which dates back at least 700,000 years. It is thought to be associated with some of our earliest hominin ancestors, according to The Associated Press. Although older archaeological sites have been uncovered in other parts of Europe, Asia and Africa, this is the first major discovery of this age in Greece, and may completely rewrite aspects of the nation’s human history.
The site contained rough stone tools from the Lower Palaeolithic period, roughly 3.3 million to 300,000 years ago, The AP noted. The remains of extinct creatures, such as giant deer, elephants, hippopotamus, rhinoceros, and macaque monkeys, were also found at the site.
More work is needed to determine the exact date, “however, [archaeologists] will not be able to be sure until hominin fossil remains are recovered,” the project director Panagiotis Karkanas said, according to The AP. “(The site) is the oldest currently known hominin presence in Greece, and it pushes back the known archaeological record in the country by up to 250,000 years.”
For example, in February 2023, a discovery in southern France suggested that humans began hunting in the region some 45,000 to 42,000 years ago. Further analysis of the Greek site could push this date back by hundreds of thousands of years.
The area where the tools were discovered has long been linked to ancient Greek legends, such as that of an ancient race of giants who fought the gods of Olympus, The AP noted. Ancient writers even described the area as the site of a major supernatural war.
That’s actually good reasoning and a fair point! Let’s say we burn all the Bible. No more Bible to site. Now, are you honest and really looking for truth? Would you really surrender your life to Jesus and live for him and deny yourself if someone ‘proved’ to you Jesus really was the son of God? In today’s world people want an argument that can fit in 144 characters or a sound bite on TV. There really is good evidence - without the Bible. We have a fallen nature that rejects the truth. In a sense, we have to be at war with our own nature. We will lose that battle in our own strength. But there is deliverance if you really want it. Most don’t. They love the self life, maximize pleasure, minimize pain till they kick the bucket. Your choice my friend. “Oh, I don’t have the time and it’s really not that important.” Few take the challenge. This guy in the video did. He grew up in a atheistic home and was himself a happy content atheist and cold case detective. But when he applied his skill to non biblical evidence, it changed his mind. He even used your argument. So...
Watch this and share your argument/disagreements afterwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmhPsqjDuQg
I am not religious but I love a lot of religious people.
Beyond that I am very happy there are religious people in the world. For one thing, they (more than anyone) fight for the freedom to voice and live by their beliefs - that makes them my natural allies, since I want the same freedom.
My comment was not meant to be disrespectful - I’m just saying there are many like me who care deeply about the truth, and about right and wrong - but we don’t need a commandment from a god to know murder is wrong.
It sounds like we are not that far apart. In the interest of truth, I decline the temptation to claim knowledge that cannot be possessed. Some of the things you claim to know are - to me - in that realm of the unknowable.
That doesn’t make me better than you or worse than you - we just have different standards for what can be claimed as knowledge vs. what is in the realm of hopes and dreams.
There’s nothing wrong with hopes and dreams - without them, the world would be a bleak place indeed.
How did Noah collect the kangaroos in Australia?
Australia was connected to the rest of the continents at the time?
Noah only collected the animals that God sent his way.
Hey squaw, your knee will bow to the Lord Jesus Christ and His Father, like it or not or believe it or not.
You really think the Ark fairy tale is the word of God? It’s hardly an article of faith. These writers were ordinary men.
I didn’t feel you were being disrespectful. You state what many believe or have been taught. Our culture has a big impact on us - for better or worse. Also, the stakes regarding truth are huge.
“I decline the temptation to claim knowledge that cannot be possessed. Some of the things you claim to know are - to me - in that realm of the unknowable.”
I’m sure you think that view is backed up by objective truth.
It’s exactly one of the arguments Jim deals with (along with several other truth claims) in his vid entitled The Case for Truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSHVAKrH7CM
He doesn’t deal in hopes and dreams. He deals with hard cold facts. Remember, he doesn’t use the Bible. He spends a lot of time in the above video discussing objective and subjective truth claims and moves to more difficult examples, and in different categories. He discusses how horribly our education system prepares students as well as the lies our culture tells us regarding truth - and clearly show the holes in their thinking. Moral truth claims are the most difficult and again people don’t want there to be any objective truth claims except the ones they chose, of course. Most are self refuting like the overused “There are no absolutes!” So there’s one absolute and it’s that ‘there are no moral absolutes,’ right?
If we can agree that there is one absolute, transcendent moral truth then we are stuck the objective, transcendent nature of moral claims - whether we like them or not. They are objective not subjective. Our opinion about them doesn’t change them.
I feel like what you are saying is, “I sort of agree but I don’t really want to reexamine them again because then, if I’m wrong, I would have to deal with it and that might be difficult, too challenging, etc. - so I want to remain in my comfort zone.”
If you think you are an honest person on a quest to really know truth, then to be consistent, you will be open to ideas that might challenge your current belief system. You know very well people lie to themselves everyday. All of us do it for lots of reasons. What I like about this guy is, he is a very good, smart detective and thinks in a way I don’t usually. He deals with liars every day. As a cold case detective and undercover agent, he only has indirect evidence in most of his cases. He thinks in ways most don’t - and he discusses cases he’s worked on and how he deals with them. Whether he changes your mind or not I think you would enjoy what he has to say. The only reason he is a Christian is he listened to his wife’s concerns about their children one day and went to church. Neither of them were Christians. He thought one of the things the preacher stated was ridiculous. The rest, as they say, is history. He has a website with all his resources
https://coldcasechristianity.com/resources but I would suggest you view the 2 videos I mentioned first.
Then there are the cities of steel and glass that were ground down by glaciers over millions of years. The continents broke up and drifted. Many sites under miles of ice or buried deep under in the jungle of Africa and South America.
“Gee...could Noah be a fairy tale of sorts. Say like Sam took two cows and a bag of beans...told his wife he was going to the store and headed for his ferry.”
IIRC rabbinical writings consider the events surrounding Noah in an allegorical context.
H.P. Lovecraft’s theory..............
lol...made my day!!!
The -inthos endings means "place of", and appears in Corinth (the Place of the Carians) and is found scattered around the Mediterranean. As VR said, there's a longish inscription on Lemnos (not surprisingly, called the Lemnian Stele, and FR has a keyword for that) that appears to be in a language related to Etruscan, or actually is a dialect of Etruscan.
More upcoming topics:
3D scans shed new light on mysterious Roman burial practice
Posted on 3 June 2023
https://www.york.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/2023/research/3d-scans-mysterious-roman-burial-practice/
2,700-year-old petroglyphs depicting people, ships and animals discovered in Sweden
By Owen Jarus published 8 days ago
https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/2700-year-old-petroglyphs-depicting-people-ships-and-animals-discovered-in-sweden
Egypt bans Dutch curators from burial site and accuses museum of ‘falsifying history’ over portrayal of black celebrities Beyonce, Rihanna, Nas and Eddie Murphy as ancient rulers
The exhibition showed Beyonce and Rihanna as Nefertiti, American rapper Nas as Tutankhamun and Eddie Murphy as Ramesses
By Daniel Fessahaye
Published: 17:03 Edt, 6 June 2023 | Updated: 17:52 Edt, 6 June 2023
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12166047/Egypt-bans-Dutch-curators-accused-falsifying-history-portrayal-black-celebrities.html
Beyonce Banned from Egyptian Pyramids by Real-Life Indiana Jones Who Thinks She Is “Rude”
BY Julie Miller
November 27, 2013
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2013/11/beyonce-pyramids-banned-egypt
Archaeologists discover 4,300-year-old copper ingots in Oman
June 1, 2023
by Goethe University Frankfurt am Main
https://phys.org/news/2023-06-archaeologists-year-old-copper-ingots-oman.html
Rare Textiles, Basketry and Cordage Discovered at Submerged Neolithic Settlement
Markus Milligan
June 6, 2023
https://www.heritagedaily.com/2023/06/rare-textiles-basketry-and-cordage-discovered-at-submerged-neolithic-settlement/147559
Why the Earliest Alaskans Didn’t Eat Fish for 1,000 Years
Ruth Schuster
June 3, 2023
https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2023-06-03/ty-article/why-the-earliest-alaskans-didnt-eat-fish-for-1-000-years/00000188-76ad-dd65-abae-76bd9b680000
Newly discovered stone tools drag dawn of Greek archaeology back by a quarter-million years
Nicholas Paphitis
June 1, 2023
https://apnews.com/article/greece-archaeology-oldest-site-stone-tools-3e84007cde4d77a2725b7877b9b38335
Newly discovered stone tools drag dawn of Greek archaeology back by a quarter-million years
Nicholas Paphitis
Associated Press
June 4, 2023
https://pressofatlanticcity.com/news/newly-discovered-stone-tools-drag-dawn-of-greek-archaeology-back-by-a-quarter-million-years/article_3df30566-22ab-5dbe-9a9c-8743f5fd9ab0.html
Did this archaeological discovery expand the Greek empire’s history?
The discovery of ancient tools in an ancient Greek city may have taught archaeologists more about human evolution.
By Jerusalem Post Staff
Published: June 5, 2023 05:48
Updated: June 5, 2023 08:29
https://www.jpost.com/archaeology/article-745227
Homo naledi may have dug cave graves and carved marks into cave walls
Bruce Bower
June 5, 2023 AT 2:00 PM
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/homo-naledi-dug-cave-graves-carved-marks
[this one isn’t]
Another inscription in the same language was found on Lemnos in 2009. It seems to be on the side of a stone lid to a sarcophagus (the photo I have seen seems to show a man and his wife facing each other while lying down—similar sarcophagus lids are known from Etruria). It’s shorter than the other Lemnos inscription.
Thanks, I’d forgotten that!
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3241490/posts
https://freerepublic.com/tag/lemnianstele/index?tab=articles
“I feel like what you are saying is, “I sort of agree but I don’t really want to reexamine them again because then, if I’m wrong, I would have to deal with it and that might be difficult, too challenging, etc. - so I want to remain in my comfort zone.””
See, I think it’s the opposite: you are uncomfortable with not knowing, so you assign certainty where there is none - in order to get in your comfort zone.
I’m fine with not knowing what can’t be known.
You don’t even realize that your own truth claim is self refuting. I wonder if you even bothered to view any of the videos.
Look, what do you do with the Jewish nation? Moses warned them there were blessings and curses. God scattered them The Bible predicted their return to their home lane. It predicts they will rebuild their temple. But it said they would come back in unbelief. It also warns that they will be deceived into signing a peace treaty that will be be the kiss of death. It say there’s a 1 world government coming where eventually you won’t be able to buy or sell unless you have some type of mark. It warns that this coming system will make war with Christians and Jews and prevail against them. Not exactly good or comforting news for me. The Holocaust will look like child’s play. It calls this time the worst in human history with huge numbers of people being wiped out. I don’t know how old you are but maybe if you see these things taking place you might get a little more curious in the future. But it also warns this same period will be a time of great deception and few will accept God’s offer of forgiveness and repent. I’m not trying to be the rightest right guy. If you had a guaranteed cure for cancer and didn’t tell anyone, what kind of person would you be? I’m telling you bad times are ahead for planet earth. Judge me a kook but at least for now keep your eyes peeled and be alert. Go eat, drink and be merry but also try to discern the times. The window of opportunity is closing for all nations. God will once again turn is attention back to the nation of Israel. They, unfortunately, will not understand until the city of Jerusalem is under siege.
“Judge me a kook but at least for now keep your eyes peeled and be alert.”
I don’t think you are a kook. As I said before, I respect and benefit from religious people, and I’m glad you are in the world. You fight for freedom of speech and thought like no others, and fir that I’m grateful.
What I’m saying should not be a threat to you - I’m just pointing out an obvious truth: there are many things beyond the scope of our knowledge. Wouldn’t a religious person agree with that statement? Wouldn’t it be the height of vanity to suggest otherwise. Wouldn’t it be presumptuous to think we are privy to all the mysteries of this vast and infinite universe?
I happen to think we know only a tiny fraction of what there is to be known… our senses reach only so far.
Now, you believe (but can’t prove) that truths beyond the reach of our senses have been revealed by special people, who managed to go to the hereafter and then return to tell us about it. Fine - I do not.
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