All Evidence Suggests The COVID Vaccines are Causing a Spike in Disability and a Potential Catastrophe for Our Economy

There you go again. Parsing words. You are incorrect. As I said an epidemiologist is not a physician.

“ Is an Epidemiologist a Doctor?
An epidemiologist is not required to have a doctor of medicine degree. Some epidemiologists are licensed physicians; however, this isn’t required for most positions. Medical training can be helpful in understanding disease but, depending on the work environment, it may be more beneficial to study public health instead of health science. Public health focuses on preventing disease, while medicine focuses on treating the disease.” CDC

A physician is a clinician who practices at bedside and takes care patients. I will grant you Fauci blurred the line and help him out as a physician, but he is not. He does not practice clinically nor is he licensed. If you want to be technical, a physician is one who swore the oath of Hippocrates and practices medicine. The government idiots Ronnie practice medicine. They are not physician.

Your lack of understanding and nuance are not my lies and goal post moving. And yes you have a fanboi who comes to tour defense whenever you are questioned. And yes you see associated with the q lists. If you do not want to be associate eirh group think and pack mentality then deMonstrate some independent thought.

Your lack of understanding and nuance are not my lies and goal post moving.

Shove it you worthless troll.

You said up front that Birx and Fauci were government, not doctors.

They're both MDs. That means Medical Doctor.

I generously gave you an out, that you should have said "not clinicians" or "not practicing patient care".

And so you reply with a wordily-expanded rehash of what I said, and lie through your teeth, that the distinction was your idea, and that you are instructing me.

And you continue to ignore the increasing retrospective data about the horrible after-effects of the clot shots.

Looking forward to the Nuremburg 2 trials, as more and more comes out about what was known about the side effects of the clot shots before they were forced on people.

I don't need any fan-bois, nor do I care about them.

You're projecting again.

Here's the baseline...

Ah, the old Lausanne Recommendations paper which you think establishes a baseline.

This paper also shows up as the basis for your goodsciencing citation below, so let's look at what it actually is.

The study looked in 8 medical databases for cases of Sudden Cardiac Death in athletes. Was this in any way meant to identify all of the SAD cases? No, of course not. After all, they only used selected databases, none of which even attempt to be exhaustive.

The authors weren't trying to establish a baseline number of cases and in fact make it clear that their data is incomplete:

"The most important limitation however is that SCD in young athletes as reported in the published and studied papers is certainly underestimated. Most of the events occur in youth potentially involved in sports activities, which are not reported in the literature. SCD is therefore likely to have comprised more than the 1101 athletes in the 38-year period across the world, which we reported."

The authors are explicitly saying "Hey, anti-vaxer, this doesn't establish a baseline number of cases, don't try to use it that way!"

Well, in that case what's the study about?:

"The aim of our review of the literature was to analyse the reported cases of SCD among young athletes, to identify the sports with the highest risk of SCD, and to compare the PPSP in use."

They looked at a small subset of SAD cases to help establish screening criteria.

Now let's look at evidence of widespread myocarditis as a result of clot shots.

We know the vaccines can cause myocarditis in young people. The cases are generally mild and resolve within a couple of weeks but are still something to consider.

The incidence of VAERS reporting, however, doesn't really add anything. First, VAERS reporting for almost everything is going to be elevated because we've given hundreds of million of shots. More to the point, do we have more cases of myocarditis in the vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated population. VAERS can't tell us.

Because the number of athletes who died in prior years, was 66 PER YEAR. But in January of 2022 alone, 87 died.

No. The basis for this claim is the Lausanne paper referenced above which is explicitly not a baseline. Even if it were there's no way to tie this to the vaccine. An increase in cases could just as easily be the result of Covid infection.

What I've said is missing is evidence of a higher rate of adverse events/deaths in the vaccinated population vs. a similar unvaccinated one. You haven't advanced the ball one inch closer to that goal.

Dude, you tore them a new one, and it had to hurt em.

I will not underestimate you ever. Well done.

"The most important limitation however is that SCD in young athletes as reported in the published and studied papers is certainly underestimated. Most of the events occur in youth potentially involved in sports activities, which are not reported in the literature. SCD is therefore likely to have comprised more than the 1101 athletes in the 38-year period across the world, which we reported."

1) Shove it, sideways. This is literal handwaving. "Likely to" is not science, but conjecture. This happens to be the best data available.

2) If you want to play it your way, recall that 1% or less or adverse events are reported to VAERS. So that means the side effects in the general public are vastly greater than the chart above. And what a lying sack of Pfauci you are for trying "First, VAERS reporting for almost everything is going to be elevated because we've given hundreds of million of shots." Ever hear of mandatory pediatric vaccinations? VAERS encompasses those, and they're still dwarfed by the clot shots--over a year and a half or so, compared to 30 years or whatever. You lose again, troll-boi. Source: https://openvaers.com/images/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-20116.pdf Suck it dry. Whatever you're getting paid to spread propaganda, the person paying you is getting ripped off.

This happens to be the best data available.

OK. Despite what the authors of the paper say let's assume this really is a baseline of all the SAD deaths (66 per year? Really?).

What's the number of SAD deaths reported in those same databases post-vaccines?

If you're going to compare against a baseline you need to use the same sources used to establish that baseline.

For all we know there are fewer reported deaths than in prior years.

If this is the best data available I suggest refraining from making stupid claims about vaccine injuries. You can't back them up.

To paraphrase a meme I saw, “There are way more vaxed that wished they weren’t than the other way around.”

If this is the best data available I suggest refraining from making stupid claims about vaccine injuries. You can't back them up.

Except that the source which you claim is incomplete and unreliable, is the one covering *pre-jab* injuries.

That's important for three reasons.

First, you're assuming the unreliability of that list, necessarily propagates to the list of known athlete deaths after the jab. It doesn't follow.

Second, given the immense political and professional pressure exerted on people to sing happy songs about the jabs (including for example a regular propaganda feature on Steven Colbert's Late Night TV show, "The Vax Scene"), and the demonstrated track record of out-and-out LYING (Pfizer pushing to have data from clinical trials hidden for 75 years), and the utter and deliberate mischaracterization of deaths by the medical establishment during COVID (e.g around 2,000 cases of the flu while COVID was raging; using PCR as a diagnostic when the Nobel-Laureate inventor of the method said it shouldn't be used as such-- let alone gaming the number of cycles; counting people who died WITH Covid as dying FROM Covid, including the infamous case of the motorcycle crash) there is no reason to believe that the sources for the Lausanne data will suddenly report adverse effects *honestly*.

Third -- one of the "deBOOOOOOONKING" (Reuters, IIRC) sites "disproved" claims about side effects from VAERs by doing a word search on a single key term in VAERS; not realizing the large number of medical words which can be used to describe inflammation of the heart and/or surrounding tissue; similar games in the reporting of deaths of athletes, are (as your own source liked to say) "likely".

Do you ever recall any year in which so many athletes at the professional level, collapsed and/or died on the field? I don't.

Nice try, troll-boi.

I don't need any fan-bois, nor do I care about them.

Gas_dr is obsessed with me. He has to slip me into every one of his condescending posts. I may have touched a nerve with the old quack.

: )

Except that the source which you claim is incomplete and unreliable...

I'm not claiming anything. I quoted the authors telling you the dataset is incomplete by design.

They weren't even attempting to count the total number of SAD deaths.

And no one said the data is unreliable, provided you rely on it to do what the authors intended.

...there is no reason to believe that the sources for the Lausanne data will suddenly report adverse effects *honestly*.

Ah. We've come to the logical conclusion of this discussion. "If the data disagree with my thesis the data are made up and everyone is conspiring against me".

Do you ever recall any year in which so many athletes at the professional level, collapsed and/or died on the field? I don't.

Me neither, but I never paid much attention to it and anti-vaxers weren't posting about every death that occurred pre-Covid.

No matter, our recollections are interesting, but not evidence.

Ah. We've come to the logical conclusion of this discussion. "If the data disagree with my thesis the data are made up and everyone is conspiring against me".

Spoken like the lying sack of troll that you are.

Typical Fedophile neurolinguistic programming.

Introduce the word "conspire" and voila! -- "conspiracy theorist".

Instant disqualification.

Problem is, there really was a conspiracy.

Starting with the weaponization of a SARS virus by selectively modifying the spike protein: not just the genetic sequence, but the codons used to create that sequence, were those typically used by humans, rather than bats. Oops.

Those who wished to make COVID into a crisis, and those who pushed the clot shots, not only lied, but demonstrably exerted enormous pressure on others to lie.

Me neither, but I never paid much attention to it and anti-vaxers weren't posting about every death that occurred pre-Covid.

The deaths at the professional level *weren't occurring*.

An athlete collapsing mid-event ALWAYS gets noticed.

Sod off troll.

Introduce the word "conspire" and voila! -- "conspiracy theorist".

You're suggesting 8 independent medical literature databases won't honestly report deaths.

Call it what you will.

It’s clear from the context why mRNA in general was classed in the “gene therapy” category by the government bureaucracy even though the snippet of mRNA in the vaccines does not act as a gene therapy and permanently alter DNA. The following sentence, which you choose to ignore, clearly states so. Cherry picking.

I will ignore your silly accusations and name calling as not worth my time or attention. As for your claim about my “lying through my foul teeth” regarding articles you posted, here are your posts of those articles:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4074238/posts?page=1045#1045

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4074238/posts?page=1032#1032

Now who is lying? You must think highly of these people and what they have to say. Why else would you share links promoting them?

As for the Q tie-in, that’s legitimate. After Q stopped dropping and you’d worn out the “Ashli Babbitt was a crisis actor and isn’t really dead and it was all fake blood” type stuff, you switched to Covid, then when the vaccines rolled out you became obsessed with vaxx doomers. Nearly every article posted here from some clickbait vaxx doomer site run by grifters was posted by active posters on the Special Q Thread (your little snowflake sanctuary where none may challenge your nutty conspiracy theories about such things Biden’s earlobes, the Pence family’s dead bunny, and Trump retaining possession of the nuclear football to this very day.). These articles claimed the vaccines contained all sorts of preposterous things, including teeny weeny razor blades, tiny mechanical octopuses, wiggly wormy parasites, and King Cobra snake venom.

People who get sucked into one conspiracy theory tend to get sucked into more. Like those who believe the moon landing was a hoax are more likely to believe in the chemtrail thing and that the Sandy Hook shooting was fake and all were “crisis actors”. Hence the plethora of conspiracy theories embraced by Q followers. And you are a die-hard Q follower yourself.

Moving a!ong, yes, although in development for decades, mRNA vaccines are a really new thing. Hence, uncertain regulatory pathways and all the rest.

Next you start mixing in legitimate concerns about the vaccines with unproven theories.

Yes, it normally takes a decade for a vaccine to be approved for general use after extensive clinical trials. Yes, long-term effects are a genuine legitimate concern. Yet another reason I am against mandates.

It’s true that that the vaccines are not effective against newer strains of Covid. Last year’s flu vaccine is usually not effective against this year’s strain, either. And it happens too often that they guess wrong and this year’s flu shot isn’t much good, either. Viruses mutate. Some rapidly. Corona viruses tend to mutate rather quickly. Frankly, this was to be expected (at least I expected it), as Birx finally acknowledged.

Do you have any legitimate source to cite proving the spike protein “is the harmful part of the virus” all on its own? Any at all?

You are assuming a number of competing pharmaceutical companies and biotech firms in various countries all produced the equivalent of the Pinto in vaccine form at the same time, all of them knowing in advance they were harmful. Seriously? That’s quite the coincidence or conspiracy or collusion.

Where is your proof the adverse events in the clinical trials “were so bad”?

The Pfizer “whistleblower” was someone in sales, IIRC (it was a long time ago that you guys were carrying on about him). I don’t recall that he “published” any “internal results” just that he made accusations. Again, it’s been a long time, so if you want to cite this guy as a credible source (and not some disgruntled employee looking for $ and his 15 minutes of fame) you really need to post a link to whatever he “published”.

Yes, it’s true that Fauci & Friends had the full force of the media behind them. That’s why I especially fault them to telling us bald faced lies. But that does not mean the vaxx doomers are lily white and can do no wrong. They get plenty wrong.

The Virology Journal “article” you touted is not peer-reviewed article, but a letter to the editor of said journal by Kenji Yamamoto, a Japanese doctor (link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9167431/ ). The Lancet study is the one he cites to support his statement that “the study showed that immune function among vaccinated individuals eight months after the administration of two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine was lower than that among the unvaccinated individuals” in his footnote 1, but this is a gross misunderstanding or misrepresentation of that study, perhaps a translation error. The Lancet study absolutely DOES NOT support your assertion that “not just immune response to COVID-1984 variants, but overall immunity is impaired by the clot shots.”

If you bother to check out The Lancet study yourself, you will find it says no such thing. It does show the vaccines’ efficacy wanes considerably over time, especially in the elderly (and recommends boosters). While the study does show immunity to the Covid virus lessens over time as vaccine efficacy wanes, there is never any claim or question that overall immune function is depressed.

So cute. Whistling up your little ankle biter.

People who get sucked into one conspiracy theory tend to get sucked into more. Like those who believe the moon landing was a hoax are more likely to believe in the chemtrail thing and that the Sandy Hook shooting was fake and all were “crisis actors”. Hence the plethora of conspiracy theories embraced by Q followers. And you are a die-hard Q follower yourself.

Sod off, Fedophile troll.

I will ignore your silly accusations and name calling as not worth my time or attention. As for your claim about my “lying through my foul teeth” regarding articles you posted, here are your posts of those articles:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4074238/posts?page=1045#1045

Yes. I have a link to an interview with Martin, for reference.

My comment is that "In the interview, Martin says the 700 million figure is from the vax-pushers’ own estimates/assertions."

So the 700 million is from those trying to push the clot-shots.

Again, lying through your foul teeth to cover up the lies of your side: and then treating my calling them out on it, as something bad.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4074238/posts?page=1032#1032

You're lying again.

As usual.

I did not quote her as an authoritative source here.

The article points out her plane crashed.

Which is not "promoting her" but going, "What a ...coincidence."

But again, you take it out of context in the post I'm replying to, to try to pretend I'm wholeheartedly relying upon her as a "source" and then lying about it.

You are beneath contempt.

You are so funny with your insult flinging and name calling. Kinda destroys your credibility.

You ignore all the other points (like the Lancet study saying no such thing), but try to dance around the stuff you post.

How about this one?

None other than Naomi Wolfe! Here's more from her:

Oops! The link to your recent post about Naomi Wolfe somehow got left out. Here it is:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4086071/posts?page=156#156

Re: “In the interview, Martin says the 700 million figure is from the vax-pushers’ own estimates/assertions.”

So you just take this as fact based on this guy’s say-so? No proof, no quotes from these evil “vax-pushers”? Nothing but his say so?

You are so funny with your insult flinging and name calling. Kinda destroys your credibility.

I don't care about public opinion. Proof that you are a liberal. Leftist are formed by group think, and assume everyone else is too.

Look up another tactic in the disruptive troll manual.

You ignore all the other points (like the Lancet study saying no such thing), but try to dance around the stuff you post.

I didn't ignore it. That's another troll tactic of yours: throw up far more stuff than the opponent can take time to reply to in a reasonable amount of time.

I'll get to it if I feel like it and also have time.

Given that you openly lied about MY posts, there is no reason whatsoever to suspect you are honest about anything you post.

How about this one?

Can you show me that I posted that link, quoted it as authoritative, or relied upon it?

...even so, the second post is valid. It has been demonstrated that SARS-1 was spread through septic lines in apartments (where was it again, Hong Kong or Singapore or something? over a doze years ago); and live polio virus from attenuated virus vaccinations has been found in sewers in NYC.

Get rekt, troll.

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