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Phoenician ship completes Atlantic voyage [crew is pretty old now]
Lyme Regis ^ | February 7th, 2020 | Francesca Evans

Posted on 02/08/2020 10:08:12 AM PST by SunkenCiv

The replica of a wooden Phoenician ship, which visited Lyme Regis last year, has completed its 6,000 mile voyage across the Atlantic.

The Phoenicia visited Lyme Regis last July before setting out on its voyage from the old port of Carthage, Tunisia, in September. It called in at Cadiz (Spain), Essaouira (Morocco), Tenerife (Canary Islands) and Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic) before arriving in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, at the Coral Ridge Yacht Club on Thursday, February 4...

The ship's trans-Atlantic voyage was part of the Phoenicians Before Columbus Expedition, designed, with the help of the US-based Phoenician International Research Center, to show that Phoenician ships could have crossed the Atlantic over 2,000 years before Christopher Columbus 'discovered' the American continent.

British adventurer and expedition Leader Philip Beale FRGS, captains The Phoenicia, sailing with a multi-national crew with representatives from the United States, the Lebanon, Tunisia, the UK, Norway, Holland, Brazil and Indonesia...

In the UK, Phoenicians Before Columbus is approved by the UK's Scientific Exploration Society and the expedition is the proud recipient of the 2019 Captain Scott Society's 'Spirit of Adventure' Award.

(Excerpt) Read more at lyme-online.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; cadiz; canaryislands; carthage; dominicanrepublic; essaouira; florida; fortlauderdale; godsgravesglyphs; lymeregis; morocco; navigation; phoenicia; phoenician; phoenicians; sailing; santodomingo; spain; tenerife; tunisia
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The difference was that Columbus then led a fleet of over a dozen ships and more than 1500 men back on a Second Voyage (and made 2 more Atlantic crossing exploratory voyages after that).

The World changed because of Columbus’s Voyage of discovery.

There is some proof (’chickens’ believe it or not) that some Chinese fishing boats, blown by storms, made it to South America, but little came of it.


41 posted on 02/08/2020 11:40:47 AM PST by elbook
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To: Telepathic Intruder

What about the cocain found in Egyptian Mummies? Who got it from south America and back to Egypt For a lot of gold! Bet the Phoenicians did it!


42 posted on 02/08/2020 11:46:02 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Fascinating! If memory serves, didn't they find a stone or two with Phoenician writing in Tennessee or Carolina?

Go Phoenicia!

43 posted on 02/08/2020 11:47:13 AM PST by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: hanamizu

“ filled with people with long straight black hair, speaking strange languages and eating strange food...”. Even now some of us are commenting and lurking on Freerepublic.


44 posted on 02/08/2020 11:58:23 AM PST by Redcitizen ("There's no replacement for shot placement" - Paul Harrell)
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To: SunkenCiv

Amazing. Great post.


45 posted on 02/08/2020 12:06:44 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: SunkenCiv

An undiscovered Phoenician skeleton sits on the North American shoreline, an empty wine amphora by his side, waiting for his ship to come in. Better later than never.


46 posted on 02/08/2020 12:12:53 PM PST by Redcitizen ("There's no replacement for shot placement" - Paul Harrell)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

They may have but failed.


47 posted on 02/08/2020 3:00:14 PM PST by Adder (Mr. Franklin: We are trying to get the Republic back!)
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To: yarddog
There is a group of people in Appalachia called Melungians. I once saw a photo of one taken around 1910. I immediately thought, “Portuguese”.

Thank you for this post.

My ancestors are from England/Scotland and settled in the late 1600s into VA and later to WV.

My nephew looks EXACTLY like what referred to as "Melungeons". He's definately a one-off and looks just like the people I researched.

Thanks for the tip! I'll be looking into this more deeply.

48 posted on 02/08/2020 3:02:56 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Ban Carbon Dioxide! It's twice as bad as Carbon Monoxide!!!)
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To: Adder

Yes, so many things are lost to time. All the 60’s and 70’s commercial jingles I wish I could remember, for a nonsensical example.


49 posted on 02/08/2020 3:04:39 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: SunkenCiv
If people were sailing, it is highly likely that at least a few got blown wherever the wind took them.

So, yes, they probably did cross the Atlantic, whether on purpose or by happenchance.

50 posted on 02/08/2020 3:07:18 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: VeniVidiVici

I used to work with a Filipino who was retired from the Navy. He attended a University in The Philippines. He said it was founded by Portuguese before The Philippines were officially discovered.

I have heard they were also in Japan before they were officially there.


51 posted on 02/08/2020 3:11:48 PM PST by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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To: yarddog

Other known Melungeon surnames are:

GIBSON/GIPSON

GOYNE/GOIN/GOINS/COYNE, etc.


52 posted on 02/08/2020 3:35:59 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's alias | "Islam": Allah's useful idiots | Brennan & 0b0z0: Islam's useful idiots)
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To: SunkenCiv

That picture is what I was hoping to see when someone told me Jerry Jones’ took his new yacht to the Super Bowl...


53 posted on 02/08/2020 5:48:08 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

There are certain indications that Columbus knew the size of the world (from the ancient Greeks), that there was a continent in between; but used the idea of getting to India in order to sell the voyage to Ferdinand and Isabella.


54 posted on 02/08/2020 7:21:28 PM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: yarddog
I imagine a lot of the ancient Europeans, Asians and North Africans made it to the Americas.
Probably did not make it back tho.

Agree on both counts. Look at the Olmecs and Orientals in Mexico. Archaeologists say they aren't copies of real people:

and

55 posted on 02/08/2020 8:27:56 PM PST by Oatka
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To: Hiddigeigei
Except he kept maintaining that he was right if only they had let him sail a little bit further he would have reached India. When it became obvious that he had not (on his third voyage I think) he then announced that he had discovered Eden.

If he was not mistaken then he did an awful good job of pretending he was.

56 posted on 02/08/2020 8:48:02 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A hero is a hero no matter what medal they give him. Likewise a schmuck is still a schmuck.)
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As for Libya, we know it to be washed on all sides by the sea, except where it is attached to Asia. This discovery was first made by Necos, the Egyptian king, who on desisting from the canal which he had begun between the Nile and the Arabian gulf, sent to sea a number of ships manned by Phoenicians, with orders to make for the Pillars of Hercules, and return to Egypt through them, and by the Mediterranean. The Phoenicians took their departure from Egypt by way of the Erythraean sea, and so sailed into the southern ocean. When autumn came, they went ashore, wherever they might happen to be, and having sown a tract of land with corn, waited until the grain was fit to cut. Having reaped it, they again set sail; and thus it came to pass that two whole years went by, and it was not till the third year that they doubled the Pillars of Hercules, and made good their voyage home. On their return, they declared -- I for my part do not believe them, but perhaps others may -- that in sailing round Libya they had the sun upon their right hand. In this way was the extent of Libya first discovered.

The Histories of Herodotus, Book IV, Melpomene, tr by George Rawlinson
Herodotus also notes that a pharaoh known as Sesostris "proceeded in a fleet of ships of war from the Arabian gulf along the shores of the Erythraean sea, subduing the nations as he went, until he finally reached a sea which could not be navigated by reason of the shoals." (Book II, 'Euterpe', tr George Rawlinson)
The Eyrthraean Sea was the name applied to the Indian Ocean (including the gulfs of Suez and Aqaba, and the Persian Gulf), and I would infer that these shoals were actually the iceberg "calves" let off during the summer season at the South Pole.
The Phoenician artifacts at Mogador (west coast of Africa) are mentioned with little detail on page 188.
Phoenicians Phoenicians
by Glenn E. Markoe
the purple isles mogador
Google

"Melkarth" -- Project name for a third to fifth century B.C. trading ship carrying amphorae jars found in 1998 while Odyssey was looking for the Sussex. With no gold or silver, Odyssey has no plans to excavate the site unless a sponsor steps forward to fund it.

57 posted on 02/09/2020 8:16:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: DesertRhino
My pleasure. Bellying sails always grab my attention. :^)

58 posted on 02/09/2020 8:18:05 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: meadsjn
The Phoenicians were probably less likely to go to places other than where they wanted to go, not least because they were all about commerce.

59 posted on 02/09/2020 8:51:58 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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60 posted on 02/09/2020 9:09:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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