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Scottish people's DNA study could 'rewrite nation's history'
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 8-14-2012 | Charlotte Higgins

Posted on 08/22/2012 7:05:20 AM PDT by Renfield

Evidence of African, Arabian, south-east Asian and Siberian ancestry in Scotland, says author of book tracing genetic journey

A large scale study of Scottish people's DNA is threatening to "rewrite the nation's history", according to author Alistair Moffat.

Scotland, he told the Edinburgh international book festival, despite a long-held belief that its ethnic make-up was largely Scots, Celtic, Viking and Irish, was in fact "one of the most diverse nations on earth".

"The explanation is simple. We are a people on the edge of beyond; on the end of a massive continent. Peoples were migrating northwest; and they couldn't get any further. We have collected them."....

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; ancientnavigation; dna; genealogy; genetics; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; scotland; scotlandyet
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Thanks Renfield and Albion Wilde.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


81 posted on 08/22/2012 6:04:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Albion Wilde

Please cite them; it’s so much more convincing than bluster


82 posted on 08/22/2012 6:10:42 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: Albion Wilde

I’ve got it, thanks


83 posted on 08/22/2012 6:11:57 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: Albion Wilde
Well worth reading (after you have finished How the Irish Saved Civilization):

My copy is 15 years old and dog-eared from re-reading.

CC

84 posted on 08/22/2012 6:12:11 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Q: how did you find America? A: turn left at Greenland)
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To: dfwgator

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85 posted on 08/22/2012 6:12:24 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1311 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: dfwgator; shibumi
Blancmange are evil beasties!


86 posted on 08/22/2012 6:22:23 PM PDT by Salamander (Snakes. It had to be snakes.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Actually, I don’t read it as a list of a variety of peoples that came to Scotland, but a chronological narrative of the migrations of the people that came to be known as Scots. They didn’t think that Scythians, Spaniards, etc, were all different groups that migrated to Scotland and got amalgamated. Rather, they traced the migration of one nation or group of tribes back through those lands, to their furthest known point of origin.


87 posted on 08/22/2012 6:31:40 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Adder

Who cares? I’m Welsh! Sort of,,,,,,,,


88 posted on 08/22/2012 6:38:33 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Billthedrill; shibumi

“Daggone it, couldn’t get a rise out of a single Scotsman with that one. They’re not as easy to spin up as they used to be.”

We’ve decided to stop yelling about it and just quietly slit your throat when you least expect, instead.

:)


89 posted on 08/22/2012 6:39:23 PM PDT by Salamander (Snakes. It had to be snakes.)
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To: Will88
The white folks were 90% English during the revolution.

Maybe a majority, but not 90%. A lot of Ulster-Scots lived west of the major population centers. There were also smaller but sizable numbers of Germans, Dutch, Swedes, French (especially Hugenots), Welsh, and others.

90 posted on 08/22/2012 6:40:48 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: Salamander

I don’t eat things with French names.


91 posted on 08/22/2012 6:43:27 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Salamander

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92 posted on 08/22/2012 6:47:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Will88; Darren McCarty
The white folks were 90% English during the revolution.

Maybe a majority, but not 90%. A lot of Ulster-Scots lived west of the major population centers. There were also smaller but sizable numbers of Germans, Dutch, Swedes, French (especially Hugenots), Welsh, and others.

Definitely struck the wrong chord since I'm familiar with the large emigration of Scots, some them as indentured servants, in the 1690's from the Northeast of Scotland. (Don't make me tell that story abt me forebear again) But the exact demographics I'd not considered. A cursory look-see shows:

By 1776 about 85% of the white population was of English, Irish, Scottish or Welsh descent, with 9% of German origin and 4% Dutch. These populations continued to grow at a rapid rate throughout the 18th century primarily because of high birth rates, and relatively low death rates. Immigration was a minor factor from 1774 to 1830. Over 90% were farmers, with several small cities that were also seaports linking the colonial economy to the larger British Empire

My guess for strictly English? Around 55-60% tops.

Source: Population

93 posted on 08/22/2012 6:58:17 PM PDT by Dysart (Obama Faults Profit. Reject That.)
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To: Renfield

“One per cent of all Scottish men, said Moffat, have Berber ancestry”

There was some kind of Neolithic Megalith culture which extended from parts of the Mediterranean, beginning far to the east in Malta and then across parts of Sicily, Sardinia, Spain and France into the British Isles. This culture may have been also connected with North Africa and the people there may have been ancestral to Berbers. I believe that even the early Canary Islanders (Guanches) were Berbers or related to the Berbers.

However, accounts of the Guanches, and of the early Libyans who raided the Nile Delta in Pharaohonic times reported having blue-eyed, blonde, light skinned people among them.

Connecting the then with the now can lead to some erroneous conclusions when one has a political agenda to advance.

North African Berbers even today are not technically “black”, and the “black” element may be connected with the typical Muslim practice of establishing slave trading wherever they went.

The black element in Egypt goes back at least to Pharaonic times when the Pharoahs recruited Kushite bowmen into their armies and when one of the Dynasties was ENTIRELY a black one which originated from the Meroitic Kingdom to the South of Pharaonic Egypt.


94 posted on 08/22/2012 6:59:38 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: muir_redwoods

I’d love to; but they are buried in my gazillion-page graduate thesis on marriage and the history of marriage in the U.S. leading up to the era of Roe v. Wade, when the SCOTUS began to destroy all legal supports for marriage. But common sense would tell you that before the 60s, when adultery was still a crime, fewer women than men took the chance on cheating, since there was no welfare, and they would lose their children or be abandoned with no means of support. It’s late. If this argument doesn’t convince you, freepmail me and I might look it up. You could certainly google it yourself.


95 posted on 08/22/2012 7:21:06 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: Billthedrill

LOL

[hubby’s favorite is “Damn. That porcelain was cold this morning.”]

*Men*

LOL


96 posted on 08/22/2012 7:25:50 PM PDT by Salamander (Snakes. It had to be snakes.)
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97 posted on 08/22/2012 7:53:34 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Albion Wilde

Pretty close; 20% to men, 15-16% for women

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1211104/Think-men-unfaithful-sex-A-study-shows-WOMEN-biggest-cheats—theyre-just-better-lying-it.html


98 posted on 08/22/2012 8:03:25 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: Salamander

This can mean only one thing....”THEY MEAN TO WIN WIMBLEDON!”


99 posted on 08/22/2012 8:35:09 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Albion Wilde

100 posted on 08/22/2012 8:39:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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