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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training

I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood


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To: nw_arizona_granny
An ordinary paper plate, glued to the bottom of the paint can, is much more convenient than spreading newspapers which must be moved every time the can is shifted from one place to another.

Well, isn't that smart! I'll be doing that...
6,821 posted on 04/22/2009 2:39:48 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: dynachrome
He ate the good stuff! Freeze dried bacon and eggs seemed to be his favorite!

Interesting choice. I try to never underestimate the persistence of a cat.
6,822 posted on 04/22/2009 2:41:44 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: dynachrome

He does take care of any mice that dare come in!<<<

There you are, give up, declare him the “Taster” and reward him for going after the mice.

LOL, I can see it now, a steel vault, to protect your supplies from the Taster.


6,823 posted on 04/22/2009 2:43:59 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; CottonBall

A previous cat loved green beans out of the can.

Cats are weird little beasties..

;)


6,824 posted on 04/22/2009 2:49:17 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Seems to be alot of ‘chatter’ these days, Granny.


6,825 posted on 04/22/2009 3:03:07 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: All; Calpernia; metmom; milford421

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/swine/

Swine Influenza (Flu)

Swine Influenza (swine flu) is a respiratory disease of pigs caused by type A influenza that regularly cause outbreaks of influenza among pigs. Swine flu viruses do not normally infect humans. However, sporadic human infections with swine flu do occasionally occur. Most commonly, human cases of swine influenza happen in people with direct exposure to pigs. In the past, CDC received reports of approximately one human swine influenza virus infection every one to two years in the U.S., but since December 2005, 14 cases of human infection with swine influenza, including the two cases in California with onset of illness late in March 2009, have been reported. While most instances of human infection with animal influenza viruses do not result in human-to-human transmission, each case should be fully investigated to be sure that such viruses are not spreading among humans and to limit further exposure of humans to infected animals, if infected animals are identified. Investigation into possible human to human transmission of swine influenza in the most recent two cases is ongoing.

Key Facts about Swine Influenza (Swine Flu)
Questions and Answers about swine flu, what it is and how it spreads…

Swine Influenza A (H1N1) Infection in Two Children – Southern California, March—April 2009
Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) April 21, 2009 / Vol. 58 / Dispatch

Interim Guidance on Infection Control and Antiviral Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed or Suspected Swine Influenza A Virus Infection, April 20, 2009
Guidance for health care workers and public health personnel…

Information in Spanish
Datos importantes sobre la influenza porcina…

* Page last updated April 22, 2009
* Content Source: Coordinating Center for Infectious Diseases (CCID)
* National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD)


6,826 posted on 04/22/2009 3:04:57 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: dynachrome
LOL! Ok, that beats my sister's cat liking banana peels. My current herd doesn't really like anything weird. Other than the 2 that like chocolate - but that's not so weird, just poisonous if they were to consume it before I can catch them. (Like Roy tried to do one Easter with a large Hershey's Kiss.)


Caught in the act - with evidence he couldn't deny.
6,827 posted on 04/22/2009 3:16:44 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: All

News & Resources

Spanish Language ATTRA Publication Available As Audio Download
http://www.foodsecurity.org/pubs.html#nuevos
The ATTRA Publication Nuevos Mercados Para Su Cosecha (New Markets For Your Crops) (http://attra.org/espanol/resumenes/nuevos_mercados.html) is now available as an audio download (http://attra.org/media/nuevos_mercados.mp3). This Spanish-language publication details strategies for farmers interested in marketing their products to local institutions such as schools, colleges, hospitals, retirement homes and day care centers.
Related ATTRA Publication: New Markets For Your Crops
http://attra.ncat.org/new_pubs/attra-pub/PDF/new_markets.pdf

Researchers Give Tillage Recommendations
http://www.ohioagconnection.com/story-state.php?Id=345&yr=2009
When using heavy machinery on cropland under potential compaction situations, farmers may get better yields by practicing continuous no-till than with annual deep tillage. According to results from a six-year Ohio State University compaction study at the Northwest Agricultural Research Station near Hoytville, land in continuous no-till showed less effect from intentional compaction than soil that was deep tilled (subsoiled) each fall.
Related ATTRA Publication: Conservation Tillage
http://attra.ncat.org/new_pubs/attra-pub/consertill.html

Organic Acreage Increases in Washington
http://www.tilth.org/news/pacific-northwest-organic-fruit-sales-plantings-slowing
Organic agriculture continues on its upward climb in Washington state, according to a recently released annual report from Washington State University Center for Sustaining Agriculture and Natural Resources. The 2008 profile estimates a total of 96,139 acres of certified organic land statewide, up 18 percent from 81,472 acres in 2007. The amount of certified acreage in the state has increased 183 percent since 2003. The full report is available to download (http://www.tilth.org/files/general-publications/WA_CertAcres_08.pdf) (PDF/338KB).

MOSES Adds Funding Information to Website
http://www.mosesorganic.org/fundsforfarmers.html
Midwest Organic and Sustainable Education Service (MOSES) has added a new page to their website. The Funds for Farmers page contains a huge variety of resources to help beginning and established organic farmers find funds for their farms. From grant opportunities, to government programs and tax credits, there is a funding source out there that is right for you and your farm.
Related ATTRA Resource: Funding Opportunities
http://attra.ncat.org/funding/

Research Shows Tulips Can Be Grown In High-Tunnels
http://www.ag.iastate.edu/aginfo/news_detail.php?var1=740
Iowa State University researchers showed high tunnels can be used to extend the growing season by cultivating tulips over the winter at the Armstrong Research and Demonstration Farm in southwest Iowa. 100 bulbs each of 13 tulip cultivars were planted to see how they would perform and if their quality as cut flowers would be acceptable to local floral shops. The florists were pleased with the size and quality of the tulips.
Related ATTRA Publication: Specialty Cut Flower Production and Marketing
http://attra.ncat.org/new_pubs/attra-pub/cutflower.html?id=Arkansas

New York Program Seeking Grant Reviewers
http://www.newyorkagconnection.com/story-state.php?Id=303&yr=2009
New York farmers and agricultural producers are encouraged to put their knowledge and leadership to work by reviewing project proposals submitted to the New York Farm Viability Institute’s grant programs. The New York Farm Viability Institute is a nonprofit, farmer-led organization that awards funds for research and outreach projects that help increase profits on New York farms. Grants are awarded through a competitive application process. Proposals are reviewed and ranked by farmers within the related agricultural sector. The New York Farm Viability Institute seeks farmers for the following grant proposal review panels: bioenergy, fruit, vegetables, livestock, dairy, green industry, and field crops.

More Breaking News (http://attra.ncat.org/news/)


Funding Opportunities

New York Environmental Quality Incentives Program Organic Initiative
http://www.ny.nrcs.usda.gov/programs/eqip/eqip2009/organic/overview_2009.html
The EQIP Organic Initiative is open to agricultural producers who are certified organic or are transitioning to organic certification. EQIP is a voluntary program that provides financial and technical assistance to eligible agricultural producers who are willing to address priority environmental issues by implementing conservation practices. In order to be eligible, producers are required to develop and carry out an Organic System Plan (OSP) while in the process of transitioning to organic production or to carry out conservation practices which are consistent with an OSP and the purposes of the EQIP program for certified organic operations.
Proposals are due May 15, 2009.

Path to Organic Program
http://www.agriculture.state.pa.us/agriculture/cwp/view.asp?a=3&q=152673
The Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture is pleased to bring the Path to Organic Program to our farming community. Part of the $500,000 appropriation will provide technical assistance to farmers in transition to organic agriculture and the rest of the funding will be provided to participating farmers. Assistance will be available to producers who are currently in the three-year transition process as well as those who have not yet begun the process, which is required by the USDA National Organic Program.
Proposals are due July 31, 2009.

Community Food Projects Competitive Grants
http://www.foodsecurity.org/funding.html
Community Food Projects are intended to take a comprehensive approach to developing long-term solutions that ensure food security in communities by linking the food production and processing sectors to community development, economic opportunity, and environmental enhancement. Comprehensive solutions should focus on: (i) improved access to high quality, affordable food among low-income households; (ii) expanded economic opportunities for community residents through business and economic development, improved employment opportunities, job training, youth apprenticeship, school-to-work transition, and (iii) support for local food systems, from urban gardening to local farms, that provide high quality fresh foods with minimal adverse environmental impact.
Proposals are due May 13, 2009.

More Funding Opportunities (http://attra.ncat.org/funding/)


Coming Events

Ozarks New Energy Conference
http://one2.ozarksnewenergy.org/
April 30-May 1, 2009
Springfield, Missouri
The Ozarks New Energy Conference: Solutions for Energy Independence will feature more than 20 sessions and 50 exhibitors. Topics covered include renewable energy and sustainable agriculture, biomass production, alternative fuels, and energy efficiency.

Maine Land Conservation Conference
http://www.mltn.org/meetings/conservation_conference.html
May 1-2, 2009
Brunswick, Maine
Maine Coast Heritage Trust presents the Maine Land Conservation Conference in support of its Maine Land Trust Network program and Maine’s land conservation community. The conference provides training on best practices in land trust management, land transactions, and stewardship. It provides a forum for learning about the most pressing issues facing land conservation today.

Florida Dairy Production Conference
http://dairy.ifas.ufl.edu/temp/dpc2009.shtml
April 28, 2009
Gainesville, Florida
The 2009 program includes internationally respected speakers in various areas with a focus on practical applications. A producer panel of leading dairy producers will discuss how they manage grazing or other alternative dairy production systems on their farms.

More Events (http://attra.ncat.org/calendar/)


New & Updated Publications

Agriculture, Climate Change and Carbon Sequestration
http://attra.ncat.org/calendar/new_pubs.php/2009/01/27/agriculture_climate_change_and_carbon_se

Equipo para Producción Aviar Alternativa
http://attra.ncat.org/calendar/new_pubs.php/2009/01/09/equipo_para_produccion_aviar_alternativa

Organic Poultry Production in the United States
http://attra.ncat.org/calendar/new_pubs.php/2008/12/31/organic_poultry_production_in_the_united


Question of the Week

What information can you give me on integrating poultry into a garden?
http://attra.ncat.org/calendar/question.php/2009/04/20/what_information_can_you_give_me_on_inte


Website of the Week

The Southern Sustainable Agriculture Working Group
http://attra.ncat.org/wow/


Ask a Sustainable Agriculture Expert

Submit questions to our professional staff online
http://attra.ncat.org/ask.php


ATTRA Spanish Newsletter

Subscribe to Cosecha Mensual (http://attra.ncat.org/espanol/boletin.php)
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ATTRA - National Sustainable Agriculture Information Service is managed by the National Center for Appropriate Technology (NCAT) and is funded under a grant from the United States Department of Agriculture’s Rural Business-Cooperative Service (http://www.rurdev.usda.gov/rbs/index.html). Visit the NCAT Web site (http://www.ncat.org/sarc_current.php) for more information on our sustainable agriculture projects.

Copyright 2009 NCAT


6,828 posted on 04/22/2009 3:18:53 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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UNDIAGNOSED POISONING, EQUINE - USA (03): (FLORIDA)
***************************************************
A ProMED-mail post
http://www.promedmail.org
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases
http://www.isid.org

Date: Wed 22 Apr 2009
Source: The Miami Herald, Palm Beach Post report [edited]
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/1012081.html

Polo captain: tainted vitamin killed 21 ponies


The 21 polo ponies that died in Wellington Sunday [19 Apr 2009] were all
injected before the game with a vitamin supplement called Biodyl, and team
members believe a tainted dose caused their deaths, the team’s captain
said. Juan Martin Nero, captain of the Lechuza Caracas polo team, told the
La Nacion newspaper in Buenos Aires that all of the horses had received
Biodyl injections before the game. “We don’t have any doubts about the
origin of the problem,” Nero said. “There were 5 horses that weren’t given
the vitamin and they are the only ones that are fine.”

Biodyl is a French-made supplement that contains vitamin B, selenium, and
chromium, La Nacion reported. Nero said that Biodyl “is what the horses are
always given. For us, the suspicions are that there was something bad in
the laboratory,” Nero said. “They’re common vitamins that aren’t given to
improve performance but rather to help them recover from exhaustion.”

Dr Scott Swerdlin, a veterinarian at the Palm Beach Equine Club who helped
treat the animals as they were dying, told the Post that Biodyl is not
approved for use or sale in the United States. But a licensed veterinarian
could obtain Biodyl by submitting a prescription to a pharmacy containing
the recipe for the supplement, he said.

If Biodyl shows up on the tests, now being done in Kissimmee and
Gainesville, an independent lab should determine if the Biodyl mix was
correct, said Swerdlin. “Biodyl is routinely used in Europe as a vitamin
supplement,” Swerdlin said. “My practice does not use it.”

“It’s dangerous,” Kentucky-based veterinarian Fernando Garcia told La
Nacion. “Ordering it from France isn’t an easy task because you have to
specify what its use will be and in what animal. In the case of the polo
ponies’ deaths, I don’t think it was Biodyl but it could have been an
imitation.”

Well-known Wellington polo patron Neil Hirsch, who co-owns the
Bridgehampton Polo Club on Long Island, said vitamins are commonly used but
rarely administered on a game day. “Everybody gives their polo horses
vitamins,” Hirsch said. “But they’re given on a Monday or Tuesday when no
one’s playing. You just don’t give them the day of a match.”

Dr Christie Ward, a veterinarian at the University of Minnesota, said that
supplements are generally unlikely to harm horses but that some contain
substances that could prove harmful in large quantities. Selenium, a
substance found in Biodyl, “can be toxic when administered at too high a
level,” she said. But she added that “in general, there does not seem to be
any high incidence of adverse reactions.”

As the investigation into the horses’ deaths presses on, a swirl of
speculation is surrounding the renowned polo team’s Argentine veterinarian.
Felix Crespo, a former competitive polo player, was the Lechuza Caracas
team’s top man in charge of the horses’ health, and he would have been the
one to oversee their diet and any supplements or injections they may have
received, people familiar with the team say. A call to Crespo’s cell phone
in Argentina was answered by his daughter, who said he was still in Palm
Beach County.

[byline: Andrew Marra, Bill DiPaolo]


communicated by:
ProMED-mail
promed@promedmail.org

[Biodyl is manufactured by Merial in France. The product is not sold in the
US, but it is believed that the team purchased a generic brand in the US.
If that is the case, then it may be a compounded (specifically made by a
pharmacy) product. This is mentioned in the article above.

Even if the product is a compounded product it does not mean the pharmacy
is at fault. Any person seeking to maliciously harm the team or the animals
could have injected the bottles. Although the team captain seems certain it
was the supplement, it remains unproven as of this writing.

There is also the possibility of a mixing error, and that there is too much
or too little of a substance in the mixture. The moderator understands that
University of Florida at Gainesville, completed the gross necropsies and
that now the task of testing tissues and examining them histologically will
begin. Perhaps the university will reach out to other diagnostic
laboratories to help diagnose and confirm what has happened. There are a
number of good toxicology and veterinary drug testing laboratories across
the country.

We remain hopeful that urine on these animals was collected as it is an
excellent sample for testing for drugs, in the event the bottles of vitamin
mix were tainted with something. - Mod.TG

The state of Florida can be located on the HealthMap/ProMED-mail
interactive map at http://healthmap.org/r/009*
CopyEd.MJ]

[see also:
Undiagnosed poisoning, equine - USA (02): (FL) 20090422.1512
Undiagnosed poisoning, equine - USA (FL) 20090420.1494]

.................tg/mj/sh


6,829 posted on 04/22/2009 3:26:47 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All

Four-Grain Bread

1-1/2 cups water (70° to 80°)
1/2 cup honey
1-1/2 teaspoons salt
2 cups bread flour
1 cup whole wheat flour
3/4 cup rye flour
3/4 cup cornmeal
2-1/4 teaspoons active dry yeast
Directions:
In bread machine pan, place all ingredients in order suggested by manufacturer. Select basic bread setting. Choose crust color and loaf size if available.
Bake according to bread machine directions (check dough after 5 minutes of mixing; add 1 to 2 tablespoons of water or flour if needed). Yield: 1 loaf (2 pounds, 24 slices).

source: Taste of Home HEALTHY COOKING


ABM-recipes@yahoogroups.com


6,830 posted on 04/22/2009 3:30:47 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All; Calpernia; metmom

http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/torres04_09.html

Torres Hillsdale Country Cheese LLC Announces the Recall of Oaxaca Cheese due to Possible Listeria Monocytogenes Contamination

Contact:
Salvador Torres, Manager
517-368-5990

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE — April 22, 2009 — Torres Hillsdale Country Cheese of Reading, Michigan announces the recall of Oaxaca soft Mexican-style cheese due to potential Listeria monocytogenes contamination.

Consumption of food contaminated with Listeria monocytogenes can cause Listeriosis, an uncommon but potentially fatal disease. Listeriosis can cause high fever, severe headache, neck stiffness and nausea. Listeriosis can also cause miscarriages and stillbirths. The very young, the pregnant, the elderly and persons with compromised immune systems are the most susceptible to infection. People experiencing these problems should seek immediate medical attention.

Products were distributed to the following states: Illinois and Minnesota.

The recalled Oaxaca cheese product was distributed to retails stores and delis in 10 pound balls, labeled with the name “Torres Hillsdale Country Cheese LLC”

The recall encompasses production dates 3/17/2009, with an expiration date of 5/20/2009.

No illnesses have been reported to date in connection with the recalled products.

Consumers and retailers are urged to return all unused recalled product to the manufacturer.

Consumers with questions may contact Salvador Torres, Manager, Torres Hillsdale Country Cheese LLC at 517-368-5990.


6,831 posted on 04/22/2009 4:45:25 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All; TenthAmendmentChampion

Granny is raging and this is a post of granny’s opinion.

I have always hated Larry King, and like a fool I listened to him interview the family of the ex-Palin finance of the daughter.

[Forgot names, I don’t remember my own when I am mad...]

Larry King is egging the family into suing for custody of the grandson...

It appears that the Palin’s do not allow Levi to take the baby away with him, to where ever 18 year old fathers take a new born.

They did admit that some of the sister’s ex boyfriends might be part of the reason....

Sisters lowlife boyfriends, a mother arrested for dope and an 18 year old father, right, it would be a cold day in hell before they got control of my baby or grandbaby......if it were me.

When Levi acted the gentleman and refused to talk about un-protected sex that got her pregnant, king went in for the kill.

I kept waiting for something about the boy’s mother being arrested for dope, not a word and the idiot spoiled brat of a sister, does not hesitate to spew her hate of the Palin daughter.

The mother was decent, not far out, they let the daughter do all the ugly words, maybe she is still a minor.

They did not give strong enough comments on the proposed lawsuit against the Palins, so at the break they found a bunch of messages, urging him to fight.

It is important to the liberals that Bristol and Sarah get drug through the dirt in court.

King just asked the mother about being arrested, she said no comment, when he pushed hard, she said “talk to my lawyer”!

She has not gone to court as yet.

If the liberals are this dirty, so early in the game, then it is going to be a rough election.

I do smile at the thought of a mere small town beauty queen, sending the biggest commies in our country into battle mode and strong fear.

granny


6,832 posted on 04/22/2009 6:49:52 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: CottonBall

It’s good to keep remembering what they’ve tried in the past - it will surface again and again until they get their way.<<<

Yes, they will keep attempting to hide it in the big bills that no one reads.

Or obama will write another executive order.

Get them they will, we have already lasted longer than the rest of the world.


6,833 posted on 04/22/2009 6:57:18 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: CottonBall

An ordinary paper plate, glued to the bottom of the paint can, is much more convenient than spreading newspapers which must be moved every time the can is shifted from one place to another.

Well, isn’t that smart! I’ll be doing that...<<<

LOL, there are so many neat tricks to be learned.

I read them and then forget them.

Or folks think I am nuts for all the wild solutions I do come up with.


6,834 posted on 04/22/2009 6:59:07 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: dynachrome

A previous cat loved green beans out of the can.

Cats are weird little beasties..<<<

LOL, if you think cats are weird, live with a parrot.

My brother shared his beer with mine, and for years if you opened a can, there was Dink and if it did not have beer in it, he would bite you, hard/bloody bite.

Since I rarely opened beer, I had lots of scars.


6,835 posted on 04/22/2009 7:01:20 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Velveeta

I have noticed that there is a working threat in every country and coming from names I have not heard before.


6,836 posted on 04/22/2009 7:02:18 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; All

Thanks so much for the ping at #6819. I’ve been thinking of you lately...and said to myself, “I’ve got to get to granny’s “survival” thread and catch up...but you and I both know there’s no “catching up” with you! Thanks for the info on the bottom of the paint can and the post on the reasons the horses may have died...(very sad & interesting). Thanks for the chatter warning Velveeta! Thanks to all posters.

BUMP-TO-THE-TOP...for an OUTSTANDING thread!


6,837 posted on 04/22/2009 7:10:24 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: nw_arizona_granny

April 22, 2009
Big Agriculture takes umbrage at Mrs Obama’s organic garden

America’s powerful agribusiness lobby has hit back at Michelle Obama’s decision to make her new White House kitchen garden entirely organic, urging her to consider the use of appropriate “crop protection products”.

Wearing her finest Jimmy Choo boots, Mrs Obama broke the ground on her vegetable plot on the White House lawn last month, enlisting the help of local schoolchildren to help make a point about the need to tackle childhood obesity.

The kitchen garden is White House’s first since Eleanor Roosevelt “dug for victory” in the Second World War, and pictures of the photogenic First Lady getting to work gained massive worldwide coverage.

To the anger of Big Ag, however, Mrs Obama has aligned herself with the growing movement of “locavores”, people who grow their own fruit and vegetables at home or try to buy only locally-grown food. The principles of organic gardening, which focuses on building healthy soil, mean that she will not be able to use chemical products to tackle pests or give her plants a boost.

Shortly after she got to work on the plot, Mrs Obama received a letter from the Mid-America CropLife Association (MACA), which represents the companies producing the pesticides and fertilisers underpinning “conventional” American agriculture.

Addressed to “Mrs Barack Obama”, the letter congratulated the First Lady on “recognising the importance of agriculture in America”. Farming is America’s largest industry, generating 20 per cent of GDP and directly or indirectly employing 22 million people.

The letter does not mention the word “organic”, nor even “pesticide” or “fertiliser” but highlights the role played by farmers in preventing soil erosion and the massive yields achievable thanks to technological advances - technologies that can see a single acre produce almost 20 tonnes of strawberries of 110,000 heads of lettuce in a season.

“Today, an average farmer produces enough food to feed 144 Americans who are living longer lives than many of their ancestors. Technology in agriculture has allowed for the development of much of what we know and use in our lives today,” MACA wrote.

“If Americans were still required to farm to support their family’s basic food and fibre needs, would the US have been leaders in the advancement of science, communication, education, medicine, transportation and the arts?

“We live in a very different world than that of our grandparents. Americans are juggling jobs with the needs of children and ageing parents. The time needed to tend a garden is not there for the majority of our citizens, certainly not a garden of sufficient productivity to supply much of a family’s year-round food needs.”

The letter “respectfully” encourages Mrs Obama to recognise the role played by conventional agriculture in feeding America’s growing population and is carefully worded not to be provocative.

But Bonnie McCarvel, the MACA executive director, was not so diplomatic in an e-mail forwarding the letter to MACA supporters and members, in which she said: “While a garden is a great idea, the thought of it being organic made (us) shudder.”

More than 100,000 people have signed an online petition supporting Mrs Obama and asking MACA to stop its “propaganda about pesticides”.

“Stop asserting that the First Lady is somehow disserving our nation’s citizens by encouraging them to grow their own food locally, sustainably and without your industry’s chemicals,” the petition says. “We know better and you should, too.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6146396.ece


6,838 posted on 04/22/2009 7:39:44 PM PDT by DelaWhere ("Without power over our own food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

The irrational fear of this petite lady means only one thing to me: God is with her, guiding her, and the enemies of God hate it and her.

This has been a bad week. 0bama sucking up to fascist dictators like Chavez and Ortega; socialized health care on fast track (not good news for you or me, Granny), threats to prosecute lawyers for giving their opinion on how to legally get information from terrorists who refused to talk; the cap and trade bill that will destroy our industries and chase jobs overseas, and on and on.

We need to pray, and pray hard. We are pressed on all sides. And the average guy is only concerned about who’s being thrown off American Idol. They have no clue what’s happening in our country.


6,839 posted on 04/22/2009 9:56:23 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: DelaWhere
a single acre produce almost 20 tonnes of strawberries

That sounds like an awful lot of strawberries... 20x2000= 40,000 pounds?? Hmmmm... Does this sound right to you guys?

6,840 posted on 04/22/2009 9:59:07 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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