Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny
Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training
I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood
Investigators Find Source of Many Foods Untraceable
March 25, 2009
By Gardiner Harris
New York Times
WASHINGTON — Most food manufacturers and distributors cannot identify the suppliers or recipients of their products despite federal rules that require them to do so, federal health investigators have found.
A quarter of the food facilities contacted by investigators as part of the study were not even aware that they were supposed to be able to trace their suppliers, according to a report by Daniel R. Levinson, the inspector general of the Department of Health and Human Services.
The report, expected to be made public Thursday, comes as President Obama and a bipartisan chorus of lawmakers have promised major changes to the nation’s food-safety system.
And it may help explain why many small food makers continue to issue peanut-related recalls more than two months after the Peanut Corporation of America was identified as the source of a salmonella scare that has sickened at least 691 people and has been linked to 9 deaths. The New York Times obtained a copy of the report.
As late as Monday, the Food and Drug Administration formally asked Westco Fruit and Nuts Inc., based in Irvington, N.J., to recall all of its products containing peanuts made by the Peanut Corporation. Jacob Moradi, Westco’s owner, could not be reached for comment, but he told ABC News that the F.D.A.’s recommended recall — the agency does not have the power to issue food recalls on its own — could ruin his company.
“They are asking me to commit suicide based on presumption,” Mr. Moradi said in a broadcast interview. “They have shown no proof.”
An F.D.A. official said Mr. Moradi hid from investigators at his plant.
On March 14, Jay Robb Enterprises of Carlsbad, Calif., announced a recall of peanut-butter-flavored JayBars. Alana Weber of Jay Robb said in an interview on Wednesday that although the company knew the peanuts in the bars came from the Peanut Corporation, it believed until recently that its bars were not part of the recall.
The inspector general recommended that the F.D.A. seek greater authority from Congress to require and ensure that food facilities maintain adequate records. In an official response in the report, the agency said that it largely agreed with the recommendations. Representative Rosa DeLauro, a Connecticut Democrat who is holding a hearing on Thursday where the report will be issued, said the recommendations would be included in reforms passed by Congress.
“Traceability is a critical tool in our ability to identify the source of a food-borne illness outbreak and locate where contaminated products were sold,” Ms. DeLauro said Wednesday.
To test compliance with the rules, federal investigators bought 40 products — including tomatoes, oatmeal and yogurt — from retail stores in New York, San Francisco, Chicago and Washington and tried to trace them to farms or to the border. Foreign firms are not required to maintain supplier records.
Investigators successfully traced the source for only 5 of the 40 products, the report stated. Three of the traced products were egg cartons whose supply chain included only a farm and a retailer. For a tomato, a bag of ice, a bottle of fruit juice and a bottle of water, investigators were not able to even guess the product’s supply chain. For 31 other products, investigators were able to identify only the likely suppliers.
The investigators contacted 220 food facilities to ask about their supplier records. But only 118 of these businesses were included in the study because the rest were not required under rules adopted by the F.D.A. in 2005 to maintain supplier and recipient records. Of those 118 firms, 70 failed to provide investigators with required information about suppliers or customers, with 6 of the companies failing to provide any information at all.
One vendor told investigators that it kept no records of tomato purchases. Tomatoes have repeatedly been implicated in nationwide food contamination scares, including one last year. Fifteen facilities told investigators they mixed raw products from more than 10 farms.
“According to an estimate from a manager at a grain storage facility, if grain from one farm were contaminated, millions of bags of flour would be at risk and might have to be removed from retail shelves,” the report stated.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/health/policy/26fda.html
Does the economy have you depressed yet?
How fast is the National Debt going up?
Check it out here:
Now THAT is depressing!!!
http://www.newswithviews.com/Raapana/niki118.htm
JOIN THE “QUIET REVOLUTION”
By Niki Raapana
March 29, 2009
NewsWithViews.com
Read this report and note the hidden urls, the google searches below came from this article, they are terms and parts of terms used in the article, some I knew of, such as the Agenda 21, but some were new to me.
All are another phrase for communism, take over of America.
All in my opinion of course.
granny
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Michael Coffman — Separating People From Their Water
Jan 22, 2004 ... Rather, the focus of Agenda 21 is to protect nature from people. ... give the federal government power to control land use throughout America. ... private citizens to obey their arbitrary and capricious regulations. ...
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International Domination of U.S. Environmental Law
Public control of land use is therefore indispensable. ... Agenda 21 is a 40-chapter UN document to reorganize the world around socialist, ... Many, if not most, U.S. environmental laws, programs and regulations come from international ...
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Agenda 21 - Chapter 10: Integrated Approach to the Planning and ...
Develop policies that encourage sustainable land use and management of land ... Review the regulatory framework, including laws, regulations and .... This set of web pages for Agenda 21 and the NGO Alternative Treaties has been ...
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The Communist UN’s Agenda 21
Sep 11, 2001 ... opening speech at the 1992 UN Conference on Environment and ... congratulating the Local Agenda 21 Advisory Board in Santa Cruz for ...
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National Capacities for up scaling Local Agenda 21 Demonstrations
Up-scaling Local Agenda 21 demonstrations by strengthening national capacity is part of the Coalition for Sustainable Urbanisation and links closely with ...
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Wise Up Journal - » Agenda 21 – The UN Blueprint for the 21st ...
Agenda 21 outlines, in detail, the UN’s vision for a centrally managed global ... Agenda 21 spreads it tentacles from Governments, to federal and local ...
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ICLEI - Local Governments for Sustainability : Local Agenda 21
One stop guide for US Local Governments. Enhance the Sustainability of Your Community Through: Environmental Protection; Economic Vitality; and Community ...
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Democratic Leadership Council: The Third Way
Oct 21, 2005 ... The Third Way is a global movement dedicated to modernizing progressive politics for ... Democrats can’t beat Bush just by being mad at him. ...
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DLC: The Hyde Park Declaration: A Statement of Principles and a ...
As New Democrats, we believe in a Third Way that rejects the old left-right debate and affirms America’s basic bargain: opportunity for all, ...
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t r u t h o u t | Matt Renner | Telecom Group Key Player in ...
Democrats connected to Third Way were integral in defeating a bill, supported by a majority of Senate ... Third Way Democrats Block Attempt to Stop Immunity ...
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Northwest Progressive Institute Advocate: Why does Governor Sarah ...
The Advocate is authored by the staff of the Northwest Progressive Institute, a strategy center fighting to restore the American promise. ...
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Right Democrat: A Mainstream Populist Voice: The Progressive ...
The Progressive’s Policy Institute’s Katie Campbell has a excellent idea to help lift low income males out of poverty by extending the Earned Income Tax ...
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Democratic Leadership Council: The DLC: Internships
Public Policy Internships with the Progressive Policy Institute. PPI’s mission is to define and promote a new progressive politics for America in the 21st ...
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Different subject, still it is a takeover of America, UN ownership/control of America:
Several interesting reports:
Wake UP America:
[I did not google all of these, LOL, I can promise it will be interesting....granny]
http://www.nationalaglawcenter.org/bibliography/results/?id=4
Alien Land Ownership (Foreign Ownership of Agricultural Land)
Aoki, No Right to Own?: The Early Twentieth-Century “Alien Land Laws” as a Prelude to Internment, 40 BOSTON COLLEGE L. REV. 37-72 (1998).
Bricker, An Outline of Legal and Tax Aspects of Foreign Investment in the United States, 1 AGRICULTURAL L. J. 562-599 (1980).
Castleman, California’s Alien Land Laws, 7 WESTERN LEGAL HISTORY 25-68 (1994).
Chin, Citizenship and Exclusion: Wyoming’s Anti-Japanese Alien Land Law in Context, 1 WYOMING L. REV. 497-521 (2001).
Comment, Alien Ownership of South Dakota Farmland: A Menace to the Family Farm?, 23 SOUTH DAKOTA L. REV. 735-762 (1978).
Comment, Closing the Barndoor: A Suggested United States Response to International Restrictions on Foreign Acquisition of Agricultural Land, 10 CALIFORNIA WESTERN INTERNATIONAL L. J. 536-571 (1980).
DeBraal & Krause, Corporate, Foreign, and Financial Investors in U.S. Agriculture, 29 SOUTH DAKOTA L. REV. 378-427 (1984).
DeBraal, Foreign Investment in U.S. Agricultural Land, 3 AGRICULTURAL LAW UPDATE 6-8 (11-1985). View this publication.
DeBraal, Impact of Information on Policy Decisions: The Agricultural Foreign Investment Disclosure Act, 11 J. AGRICULTURAL TAXATION & LAW 135-160 (1989).
Development, Foreign Investment-The Agricultural Foreign Investment Disclosure Act of 1978[Pub. L. No. 95-460, 92 Stat. 1263 (codified in scattered sections of 7 U.S.C.), 19 HARVARD INTERNATIONAL L. J. 1026-1031 (1978).
Hendrickson, Agricultural Foreign Investment Disclosure Act of 1978: Don’t Panic!, 13 INT. LAW. 407-426 (1979).
Hoff, Foreign Investment in U.S. Farmland-The Facts and the Law, 31 DRAKE L. REV. 547-564 (1981).
Ichioka, Japanese Immigrant Response to the 1920 California Alien Land Law, 58 AGRICULTURAL HISTORY 157-178 (1984).
Lazarus, An Historical Analysis of Alien Land Law: Washington Territory and State, 1853-1889, 12 UNIV. PUGET SOUND L. REV. 197-246 (1989).
Leonard, Punjabi Farmers and California’s Alien Land Law, 59 AGRICULTURAL HISTORY 549-562 (10-1985).
Mage & Lapping, Legislation Related to Absentee Foreign Landownership in Canada, 4 AGRICULTURAL L. J. 364-389 (1982).
Moradi, Alien Ownership of Land in Oklahoma, 79 OKLAHOMA BAR J. 233-237 (2008).
Morrison, Limitations on Alien Investment in American Real Estate, 60 MINNESOTA L. REV. 621-668 (1976).
Note, The Foreign Ownership Disclosure Act of 1989: Do You Know Who Owns Your Piece of the Rock?, 23 CASE WESTERN RESERVE J. INTERNATIONAL L. 593-621 (1991).
Note, “PSSST, Hey Buddy, Wanna Buy a Country?” An Economic and Political Policy Analysis of Federal and State Laws Governing Foreign Ownership of United States Real Estate, 27 VANDERBILT J. TRANSNATIONAL L. 453-488 (1994).
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Note, Disclosure of Foreign Direct Investment in United States Agricultural Property, 12 VANDERBILT J. TRANSNATIONAL L. 665-688 (1979).
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Price, Alien Land Restrictions in the American Common Law: Exploring the Relative Autonomy Paradigm, 43 AMERICAN J. LEGAL HISTORY 152-208 (1999).
Reynolds, State Statutory Restrictions on Alien and Corporate Ownership of United States Agricultural Land, 1 AGRICULTURAL L. J. 415-430 (1979).
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Shuler, Ruhlin & Karr, Obstacles to Foreign Investment in U.S. Agriculture, 7 CALIFORNIA INTERNATIONAL PRACT. 36-43 (Fall 1996).
Walter & Strasen, Summary of the “Foreign Investment in Real Property Tax Act of 1980,” 3 AGRICULTURAL L. J. 18-27 (1981).
Zagaris, Agricultural Foreign Investment Disclosure Act of 1978: How Will It Affect the Market in U.S. Real Estate?, 8 REAL ESTATE L. J. 3-21 (1979).
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This 1979 propaganda piece, must have been ordered by carter.
The Realtors Magazine had an article in the late 1980’s and the figure that stuck in my mind for then was 62% foreign ownership of Americas farmland. It could have been a state and not the entire country, I was very upset at the time.
A couple years ago, UN research showed that they control farmland trusts, which are then leased to Americans, in the south.
This snippet from a long and involved support of foreign ownership, is eye opening and could explain why we capped all our oil wells...........granny
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FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF St LOUIS
not reported, these data nevertheless greatly over-
state the extent of foreign ownership in farmland
since much of the land owned by foreign-affiliated
groups consists of forest land, land holdings for petro-
leum production, and land for other industrial pur-
poses. Ownership of farmland by foreign-affiliated
groups at that time was estimated to be only one
million acres or about 0.1 percent of the total U.S.
farmland.
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Foreign purchases may have increased
since this survey was made, but if doubled, such
holdings would total no more than 0.2 percent of the
total.
No need to be shocked that they can’t trace the source, some are sure shaky when they do decide on them, in ref. to your post, granny.....
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/HealthInfo/news/Pages/PH09-021%20%20Union%20Int%20Spice%203.28.09.aspx
AVOID UNION INTERNATIONAL FOOD COMPANY SPICES, WARNS CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH
DATE: March 28, 2009
NUMBER: PH09-021
CONTACT: Al Lundeen, (916) 440-7259
SACRAMENTO – Dr. Mark Horton, director of the California Department of Public Health (CDPH), today announced that consumers should avoid eating spices manufactured by Union International Food Company.
White and black pepper products from the company’s Union City facility in the Bay Area have been associated with an outbreak of Salmonella that has sickened 42 people in four states, including 33 in California. No deaths have been reported. The illnesses among California residents have occurred in 15 counties in Central and Northern California, and the latest known onset of illness is March 13, 2009.
A high proportion of those who have become sick had eaten at Asian restaurants which were found by environmental health specialists to be using black and/or white pepper purchased from Union International Food Company.
Union International Food Company has initiated a voluntary recall of pepper and all other similar spice products repackaged in its facility. These products do not bear lot codes and were sold primarily to distributors and restaurants in California and Oregon. The products are packaged under the Lian How brand name (red label) in various sized containers (10 and 15 pound cardboard boxes with plastic liners that are tied closed, 4 and 5 pound clear semi-hard plastic wide-mouth jars; 5 pound plastic bags and 2.2 pound foil bags). Following the Lian How brand name, the wording “Packed by Union International Foods” or “Union International Foods” appears. The following products are included in the recall:
* White Pepper
* Black Pepper
* Cayenne Pepper
* Paprika
* Chopped Onion
* Onion Powder
* Garlic – Chopped, Minced, Powder, and Granulated
* Whole White Pepper
* Whole Black Pepper
* Curry Powder
* Mustard Powder
* Wasabi Powder
Salmonella can cause serious and sometimes fatal infections in infants, frail or elderly individuals and others with weakened immune systems. Healthy individuals infected with salmonella often experience fever, diarrhea (occasionally bloody), nausea, vomiting and abdominal pain. In rare circumstances, infection can result in the organism getting into the bloodstream and produce more severe illnesses. Consumers should consult with their physicians if they have these symptoms.
The CDPH Web site will be updated with additional information as it becomes available. Consumers with questions may contact Union International Food Company at (510) 471-6799.
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/HealthInfo/news/Pages/NR2009-20-Pistachios.aspx
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH IS INVESTIGATING CALIFORNIA SUPPLIER OF RECALLED PISTACHIOS
Kraft Back to Nature Nantucket Blend Trail Mix and Kroger Company’s Private Selection Shelled Pistachios are among recalled pistachio products
DATE: March 27, 2009
NUMBER: 09-20
CONTACT: Al Lundeen or Ken August, (916) 440-7259
SACRAMENTO – Dr. Mark Horton, director of the California Department of Public Health (CDPH), today announced that state and federal investigators are inspecting a supplier of pistachios linked to a recall of products potentially tainted with Salmonella, a harmful bacteria.
To date, no illnesses associated with the pistachios have been reported.
CDPH and federal investigators are examining Setton Farms in Terra Bella, which is south of Porterville, as a result of a recall of Kraft Back to Nature Nantucket Blend trail mix manufactured by Georgia Nut Company. Georgia Nut Company also has recalled additional products, including bulk and bagged pistachios. CDPH is in the process of determining whether or not the recalled products were distributed in California.
Additionally, the Kroger Company has voluntarily recalled its Private Selection Shelled Pistachios sold in 10-ounce containers. Stores under the following names in the 31 states, including California, where Kroger operates are included in this recall: Kroger, Ralphs, Fred Meyer, Fry’s, King Soopers, Smith’s, Dillons, QFC, City Market, Foods Co., Jay C, Scott’s, Owen’s, Baker’s, Gerbes, Hilander and Pay Less. Customers should not consume the Private Selection Shelled Pistachios in 10-ounce containers with a “Sell by” date of DEC-13-09 and DEC-14-09 with the UPC Code of 11110 73615.
It is not known if the pistachios recalled by Kroger Company are linked to Setton Farms.
A full list of recalled pistachio products is available at http://www.fda.gov/opacom/7alerts.html.
The Kraft-Georgia Nut recalls are the result of salmonella found in roasted pistachios used in the Nantucket Blend trail mix. The roasted pistachios were supplied by Setton Farms. Setton Farms is initiating a recall of three lots of roasted pistachios linked to the positive salmonella results in the trail mix.
Investigators are reviewing the firms records, processing practices, and distribution information and are collecting samples for laboratory testing.
Salmonella can cause serious and sometimes fatal infections in young children, frail or elderly individuals and others with weakened immune systems. Healthy individuals infected with salmonella often experience fever, diarrhea (occasionally bloody), nausea, vomiting and abdominal pain. In rare circumstances, infection can result in the organism getting into the bloodstream and produce more severe illnesses. Consumers should consult with their physicians if they have these symptoms.
The CDPH Web site will be updated with additional information as it becomes available.
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/HealthInfo/news/Pages/NR2009-19-RecalledKirklandOrganicBrownEggs.aspx
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH WARNS CONSUMERS NOT TO EAT RECALLED KIRKLAND ORGANIC BROWN EGGS AND O ORGANIC BROWN EGGS
Products Voluntarily Recalled Because of Possible Salmonella Contamination
DATE: March 23, 2009
NUMBER: 09-19
CONTACT: Al Lundeen - (916) 440-7259
SACRAMENTO – Certain Kirkland Organic Brown Eggs and O Organic Brown Eggs have been voluntarily recalled because the eggs may be contaminated with Salmonella.
The eggs are distributed by den Dulk Poultry Farms of Ripon, located north of Modesto. The recalled product was distributed to Costco, Safeway and Pack n’ Save stores in Northern California, as far south as Fresno, and western Nevada.
No known illnesses have been reported in connection with these eggs.
Den Dulk Poultry Farms voluntarily recalled the product after it was determined that the eggs in question tested positive for Salmonella during an internal investigation by den Dulk Poultry Farms.
The eggs sold at Costco are packaged in 18-count cartons under the name, Kirkland Organic Brown Eggs. The eggs that should not be eaten can be identified by the following expiration dates and plant code on the carton:
April 1 062 April 8 069
35 P1776 35 P1776
The eggs sold at Safeway and Pack n’ Save stores are packaged in one-dozen cartons under the name, O Organic Grade A Large Brown Eggs. The eggs that should not be eaten can be identified by the following expiration dates and plant code on the carton:
April 1 062
35 P1776
Salmonella bacteria can cause serious and sometimes fatal infections in young children, frail or elderly people, and others with weakened immune systems. Healthy persons infected with Salmonella often experience fever, diarrhea (which may be bloody), nausea, vomiting and abdominal cramps. Consumers with the above symptoms should consult their physician.
Consumers with these products are advised to dispose of them. Consumers with questions may contact den Dulk Poultry Farms at (209) 599-4269.
The information in this news release is based on the most current information available. Updates, including distribution information, will be posted on the CDPH Web site as it becomes available.
http://www.fda.gov/oc/opacom/hottopics/salmonellatyph.html
Peanut Product Recalls:
Salmonella Typhimurium
Updated:March 28, 2009
[A very full page of links related to the peanuts contamination]
I REALLY need a source for bulk beans other than pintos, have no trouble finding those. Want Navy and Black beans. Also bulk farina.<<<
I bought all my beans, flour, oatmeal, brown sugar, salt, cornmeal, and buy some of the cans, as it is my daily source as well as emergency, from :
I am totally satisfied with the products and the company.
Your beans, flour etc, come in the U.S. milling companies own bags and it is far cheaper to buy the bag over the cans.
For me the shock of oatmeal that smelled good in the bag, made me realize how old the stuff in the store is, it had been years since I was tempted to eat raw oatmeal, simply because it smelled good.
I have several types of beans from Waltons and find that after setting here for 5 years, they still do not look as old and ugly as what they sell in the markets.
I figured my costs down to the penny and could order FRESH food bags, have UPS deliver it to my living room, cheaper than I could buy stale products in the local supermarkets.
Do take time to read the ‘labels’ as they call them on the catalog page there will be a link, you will be surprised, Lentils came out high on the vitamins/minerals that I wanted and so I
ordered a bag, never had been on my food ‘like list’, but discovered that I loved them, cooked the same as I do pinto beans, bacon and lots of spices.
LOL, they had a special on dry peas, big green ones and the 20 or 25 # bag was real cheap, so I ordered it, first batch, I remembered that I did not like them, the same as the ugly ‘pea’ that comes in the can, not the fresh green pea.
Smile, “I shared” the peas with a lady who did like them.
I remain terrified that I will find another jar of them, as the lady has moved away.
I also use the SAF yeast, dried buttermilk, dried onions, mushrooms, celery and other products in the storage cans.
When you get into the heavy sacks, the UPS rate goes down, and isn’t that bad.
There are other companies, I found the Walton link by accident and then checked the LDS sites to see if they used them and they do, so check the LDS link that you have and see if they list a company closer to you.
LOL, But I like Walton’s, when they understood that I was unable to drive and their food was my daily supply, I have had my orders come before my check had time to clear, they understood and I can guess there are others like me, who cannot get to stores easily.
I ordered the bag of dried potato slices, and they sent the 25# pounds in cans, 25 of them, at the low cost of the bag.
Once they missed a can of tomato powder, I sent the papers back, showing it had not been shipped and they sent a case of a dozen cans.
Now that is the way I like doing business.
Yes, you need comfort foods and spices and herbs, for dried foods can be pretty tasteless with just salt on them.
Years ago, I bought canned bacon for my camping trips and it was very good, came from Canada, as I recall.
Jello, fruits, honey, baking powder and baking soda also needed.
Walton’s box of raisins are good. I kept them in the freezer.
“A nice blog about setting up off grid in Oklahoma.<<<
I am glad that you are getting set up for safe canning.
Often I have so many tabs open, that I dare not open another page, so you get lists of first impressions and I can close a tab.
Many of them deserve to be looked at again, for there are many wise people on the internet today........LOL and a few who are clueless.
Have fun with the grandkids, we will be sure to keep posting, so you will have more to read, when you get home.
When I ran the calculator, I was pleased to see I already had enough salt, baking soda, baking powder and almost enough yeast. Actually have LOTS of salt, figure it will be good for trading later.
Have flour and lard, so can make tortillas OR bread. Yum! Have masa for change-up tortillas, too.
Working on canned meats - found some canned hams that don’t require refrigeration. Daughter suggested canning ham hocks. Figure I’ll buy a boat load and cook them off the bone then can them into quart jars. Need to work on chickens, too.
Sent an email to Walton’s to see where “local delivery” might be - whether that was pick up from them or they ship to somewhere in the state.
They have a 50 lb bag of farina for $20! Only have 4 lbs of it right now, need to REALLY beef that up. That and the oatmeal, only have 10 lbs of that.
On another positive note - just used my new dehydrator for the first time - took 13 cups of chopped carrots (4 lbs) down to just under 3 cups. Bell peppers next! Since I work out of the house, can only run batches on weekends, so will have to concentrate on 3 batches of something each weekend. Going to try potatoes and onions after the peppers. Need to buy a chopper, cutting up 4 lbs of carrots cured me of the knife work.
So much to do, so little time! I’m really feeling time pressure, I don’t think it’s going to hold together much longer.
How fast is the National Debt going up?
Check it out here:
Now THAT is depressing!!!<<<
Yes, it is depressing, very depressing.
And the articles you posted on new gardners, were interesting, it is wonderful to see folks waking up.
I had to laugh, I was going down the list, answering as I cam to them, so soapboxed Walton’s and found you had been even smarter and simply posted the list of beans.
Thanks, and yes, that is said with a smile.
Good for you.
Be sure the yeast is kept in the freezer and it will still be good long after its expiration date.
Salt can be stored in any jar, does not need to be fancy or large.
Can you get the big soft drink bottles, those are used for storage of grains, beans and salt would work in them, LOL if it did cake, you could hammer it and cut the top off or all of it off.
When I ordered from Walton’s, I went with the UPS service and they deliver it into my home, loved watching him back his truck in close and carry in over 400 pounds of food boxes.
My friend Don ordered many cans, a couple years supply by truck and LOL, it came on pallets on a freight truck and they will only unload it in the driveway, no hauling it in the house.
Yes, I think the whole world is feeling the pressure and the media keeps it stirred and building, it is in the air and will set off more and more of the crackpots.
Take care and stay safe.
Keep up the good work, you are making progress and are in far better shape than so many are.
Think of it as money in the bank.
Old Time Hog Killing, Sausage and Lard Making
You too, dear! Thanks for the kind words.
>>>Figure I’ll buy a boat load and cook them off the bone then can them into quart jars. Need to work on chickens, too.<<<
Are you SURE you want to do that? A quart of meat is quite a bit... Remember, refrigeration may be at a premium if things get really bad...
I can ours in pints and quite a few in half pints. For 3 of us that works out pretty well, and not having to deal with leftovers is nice. This way I can use a jar the size I really need - like for a stir fry I will use a half pint or for soup I may use a pint. If you need an occasional larger amount, it is easy to just open 2 pints.
Particularly on the chicken, be sure to dice it fairly small. If you don’t, it tends to shred into an almost birdsnest of meat shreds and is not the most pleasant eating. Ham is not quite as bad about that, but we keep our pieces fairly small. You can even do sausage - I brown sausage patties and then can them. If you use the ring from a canning jar as your sizing guide, they will shrink just about the right amount to fit in the jars when you cook them.
Take some time and can stock too. It is really handy and sure adds the flavor to many dishes. After all, we don’t want to waste all that good stuff.
Keep up the good work.. You will be well prepared. Much better than 80+% of people will be.
I MAY have 14 people, quarts of meat is good. ;)
FrogDad’s job is such that he may be the only one in our whole family who is employed.
I will definately have 6, so not sure pints are enough. What do you think?
Am buying both chicken and beef broth. Working 5 days a week means my time is limited. Once I get laid off, will have more time, but no where near as much money, so have to make trade-offs.
My friend who works in a grocery store says that people are stocking up all over the place (she brought it up, I don’t talk about preparing with people outside the family). Suspect the rise in consumer spending is guns, ammo, and food. She said WHAT some are stocking up on, and it’s obvious that they aren’t really thinking it through - who needs extra frozen TV dinners?
http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/foreign_ownership_of_u.htm
a snippet
Total all landholdings 15,102,037
1 A report is processed as “multiple” when no single country predominates — for example, an equal partnership between a Canadian and a German.
2 A report is processed as “third tier” if three or more levels of ownership are reported with no foreign interests stated.
3 Total interests excluding U. S. corporations with foreign shareholders.
4 Total interest of U. S. corporations with foreign shareholders.
Source: USDA, ERS, Agricultural Foreign Investment Disclosure Act data.
U. S. agricultural landholdings of foreign owners, by State,
December 31, 1995
State or Foreign-owned State or Foreign-owned State or Foreign-owned Territory in “agricultural land acres”
continued.
http://www.fsa.usda.gov/FSA/webapp?area=home&subject=ecpa&topic=afa
The data gained from these disclosures is used in the preparation of periodic reports to the President and Congress concerning the effect of such holdings upon family farms and rural communities.
Reports
* Foreign Holdings of U.S. Agricultural Land through February 28, 2007
* Foreign Holdings of U.S. Agricultural Land through February 28, 2006
Both are pdf and difficult for me to work with...granny
Page 1
FOREIGN INVESTORS FACE FEW RESTRICTIONS IN THE U.S.—PART I
By: David E. Dubberly, Nexsen Pruet Jacobs & Pollard, LLC
Mama’s Country Cooking in the 1920s
Isn’t she beautiful........
Thanks for the links, and no I do not mind that they were posted elsewhere, all that counts, is that they are here, LOL, or should I say all that counts to us, is that we have them too.
The more things
change, the more they stay the same.
Add to the following what FDR and the “great” liberal
justice William O. Douglas did to the Nisei Japanese, arguably the most
patriotic Americans of the time, at the start of WWII, and it’s just more
proof that FDR wasn’t really the icon most people made him out to be.
Not
sure who Steven Horwitz is, but a Yahoo! search revealed a prof. of econ
at St. Lawrence Univ. in NY by that name. Read on:
Steven Horwitz
The Story of the Schechter Brothers
In preparation for my spring senior seminar on the Great Depression,
I’m currently reading Amity Shlaes’ The Forgotten Man
The book is a wonderful history of
the Great Depression, written by a journalist who knows enough good
economics to tell the story well. In reading it last night, I had the
wonderful experience of learning something new that made me think about a
whole bunch of interesting questions I hadn’t considered before. As a
scholar, there really isn’t a better feeling and it’s one I wish I could
convey better to students so they would see that what appears to be the
dorkiness of their professors is really our desire to share one of life’s
most profound joys.
What I learned was the story of the Schechter
brothers of Brooklyn, NY.
Now this may be old hat to the historians here, but I’m going to
retell it through my own eyes.
The Schechters ran two kosher butcher shops, poultry specifically, in
[Brighton Beach -E] Brooklyn. They were Jewish immigrants in the 1930s.
Running a kosher butcher shop is a complicated affair, as the Laws of
Kashrut are far more than a “dietary” code. Normally, keeping
Kosher is thought of as just a set of rules about what food observant
Jews cannot eat (e.g., pork, shellfish, scavengers, etc and no mixing
milk with meat), but it is at least as much an ethical code.
And that
ethical code involves both how humans are to treat the animals they kill
(humanely, as kosher butchers must follow specific rules about how
animals are killed) as well as how they must treat their customers.
For
observant Jews such as the Schechters, the Laws of Kashrut were both a
matter of religious observance and good business.
Enter FDR and the NRA.
The National Recovery Administration was part
of the early New Deal and was Roosevelt’s attempt to cartelize American
industry to prevent it from suffering the consequences of too much
competition. The thinking was that too much competition was keeping
prices too low, which was undermining incomes and purchasing power, and
dragging the economy down. Matched with Hoover’s and FDR’s attempts to
keep wages up, the NRA’s similar attempt with prices made for a highly
misguided combination that contributed to the length and depth of the
Great Depresssion.
As part of its legislation, the NRA had all kinds of
detailed codes for individual industries, describing to the letter how
firms must do their business.
The Schechters fell under the “Code of
Fair Competition for the Live Poultry Industry of the Metropolitan Area
in and About the City of New York” (and you thought Atlas Shrugged
was fiction….).
Among the things the code prohibited was “straight
killing” which meant that customers could buy a whole or half coop
of chickens, but did not have the right to make any selection of
particular birds (such individual selecction was “straight
killing”).
This last rule was in direct conflict with Kashrut laws, which also
served as an informal health code in the Jewish community.
As Shlaes
points out, the phrase “glatt kosher” referred to the fact that
the lungs of the animal were smooth (which is what “glatt”
means) and therefore free of tuberculosis. Inspecting the lungs was part
of the official process of conferring Kosher status on a butcher shop.
Rem oving unhealthy animals from the stock was one of the core principles
of keeping Kosher, and the rabbinical inspectors were fanatic about doing
this.
But so were customers. As Shlaes points out, individual customers,
both retailers and their customers, had the right to refuse individual
animals. This minimized the risk of an unhealthy animal getting through
when both seller and buyer did such inspections. And it ensured that the
kosher laws served as a health code, or perhaps something more like the
Underwriters Laboratory or Good Housekeeping seal.
The Schechters, as you may have guessed, were targeted by the NRA
enforcement crew. They were inspected repeatedlly during the summer of
1934, which forced them to violate their own Kashrut practices, telling
customers that they could not reject individual birds as keeping Kosher
allowed. Not surprisingly, their deeply religious customer base began to
dwindle. The constant inspection turned up a variety of violations,
including allegations that they had, in fact, sold sick chickens (not
surprising, if true, given that part of their own internal inspection
process was negated by the NRA code itself!). They were also accused of
“competing too hard” and keeping prices “too low.”
Shlaes recounts a couple of hilarious exchanges between the government
lawyers and the Schechters where the knowledge of the actor is much
greater than the knowledge of the expert.
Eventually, the lower courts found them guilty of 60 different
violations and they all served a little bit of jail time. But more
important, the Schecters’ lawyer continued to appeal and the case made it
all the way to the Supreme Court, where the Roosevelt Administration saw
it as the perfect test case of the constitutionality of the NRA, and
perhaps the whole New Deal.
Coverage of the case, Shlaes shows, was
highly tinged with the standard anti-Semitism of the time, especially
because the Schechters were right out of Jewish central casting, being
immigrants with their Eastern Eurpoean cadences and traditional Jewish
dress.
It was the Jewish rubes of Brooklyn against the high powered WASP
lawyers of the northeast corridor.
In the end, the Court ruled invalidated the NRA codes on a unanimous
decision, including Justice McReynolds, one of the great defenders of
liberty of contract and the Constitution in the early 20th century – he
wrote the Meyer
http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0262_0390_ZO.html%20
; and Pierce
http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0268_0510_ZO.html%20
decisions that now define the right to marry and parent – who was
reported to be quite the anti-Semite. (He put his constitutional
principles before his prejudices in this case though.)
The four Jewish
poultry butchers from Brooklyn had won over FDR and the fascist NRA
codes.
This was the first of several Court decisions that invalidated
the first New Deal, and it was the Schechters’ willingness to fight this
all the way to the top that was partially responsible. As Shlaes notes,
the real insult of the accusations against the Schechters, in their eyes,
was not that they had broken the NRA code, but that they were accused of
violating, and forced to behave in ways that actually did violate, the
Laws of Kashrut, which mattered more to them.
There are two fascinating elements to this story. First, there’s a
terrific dissertation waiting to be written that explores the Laws of
Kashrut as a set of informal institutions that serve as a
non-governmental health code. It would be a project complementary to Lisa
Bernstein’s work on the informal norms of the diamond industry
http://www.jstor.org/sici?sici=0047-2530%28199201%2921:1%3C115:OOOTLS%3E2.0.CO;2-G&cookieSet=1
That story is only made better by the role the NRA played in
overriding the, arguably superior, private sector arrangements within the
Jewish community. The NRA’s attempt at cartelizing and planning all of
these industries destroyed the indigenous institutions that functioned
better.
The other fascinating element is what this says about the
relationship between Roosevelt and the Jews.
The other night I happened
to catch for the second time the episode of PBS’s terrific series on
“The Jewish Americans” that covers the Depression era and the
Holocaust. It notes how much the Jews loved Roosevelt, but also notes
the criticism he took for not acting more aggressively to save Eastern
Eurpoean Jews (only his friend Morgenthau’s intervention finally pushed
FDR to act by giving Morgenthau the authority to start rescuing people –
about 20,000 altogther - which was better than nothing but still a drop
in the bucket.) And it’s certainly true that FDR remains iconic among
Jews, especially my parents’ and grandparents’ generation.
But with the
Schechters, we have a case where the Administration targeted Jewish
merchants/middlemen for the dual sins of being good capitalists and
observant Jews, both of which didn’t fit the NRA’s plans. And the way in
which the prosecution was conducted and was covered by the newspapers put
a whole bunch of anti-Semitic stereotypes into play. Why didn’t this sour
more Jews on FDR? And why, when you take this case and FDR’s too little,
too late approach to the Holocaust, is FDR still viewed so positively by
so many Jews?
I can offer a few answers to that question, many of them
obvious I think, but it remains interesting that his sins were, and are,
overlooked by many Jews.
Finally, I consider myself to be fairly familiar with the history of
Jews in America, but nowhere in my Jewish education or in the
aforementioned PBS series had I ever heard of the Schechter brothers.
A
quick email exchange with the lay-rabbi at my synagogue indicates he
hadn’t either. The PBS series devotes, and rightly so, significant
attention to the trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, but not a word
about the Schechters. Again, one can speculate as to why this is the
case, but whatever the explanation, it’s a shame that an important part
of Jewish history, including a victory for Jewish law over civil law
(implicitly anyway), has been, as far as I can tell, ignored by modern
day Jews. It’s also a story that, also as far as I know, hasn’t been told
in any detail by classical liberals until Shlaes’ book.
I’d happily be
corrected on that.
In keeping with Shlaes’ theme of the “forgotten man,” the
Schechters have indeed been forgotten by Jews and by classical liberals,
both of whom have every reason to rescue them from the dustbin of history
and recognize both their heroism and the fascinating questions of
political economy their case raises.
Stop complaining and fight back!
Here’s how:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7702
http://www.nfc.co.il/Archive/003-D-27449-00.html?tag=04-32-31
Have a nice day
Aryeh Zelasko :-)
Beitar Illit, Judea
To visit group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AntiTerrorismCoalition/
>>>I will definately have 6,<<<
I stand corrected! Sounds like FrogMom has been doing some serious thoughtful planning!
What will you do with the broth when you cook your meat? I would can it rather than putting it down the drain. Not much prep time and it is much lower in salt than the commercially prepared... :^)
http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/arya03_09.html
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Arya Ice Cream Dist. Co., Inc. Recalls California Dream Nut Sundae Because of Possible Health Risk
Contact:
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Tel: (323) 234-2994
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