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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training

I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood


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To: nw_arizona_granny

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Madness, from D.C. to Denver (NOW, we can take over Agriculture - or at least TAX IT TO DEATH)
summit daily ^ | March 10 | Liddick
Posted on Fri Mar 13 2009 09:15:06 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by jessduntno

Have we all suddenly gone mad? Have our wits suddenly deserted us? Has common sense been completely routed from our lives? The indications are not good.

In a little-noticed verdict last week, a U.S. District Court of Appeals has decided that the Clean Air Act requires the Environmental Protection Agency to act against farmers who endanger public health by kicking up dust in the course of their business. Expect anti-dust regulations and fines to follow.

For those unfamiliar with pastoral activities, allow me to enlighten: I grew up on a farm, and can personally attest that most types of agriculture require close contact with dirt. Especially for the dry-land types of farming that produce most of the world’s cereal crop, a cloud of dust is the unavoidable consequence of preparing the land for planting. Even using the most modern and minimal cultivation techniques, it’s a grimy business.

But the Big Wazoos of regulation in the District of Columbia don’t care about details. According to the EPA’s spokesperson, the agency’s goal is “to protect public health,” so the dust must go. How that will be done is somewhat less clear. Perhaps gigantic plastic sheets to trap the noxious stuff before it offends the nostrils of those who eat what farmers grow?


4,801 posted on 03/16/2009 8:30:03 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: DelaWhere

Ping to post 4801 re: your tagline


4,802 posted on 03/16/2009 8:30:53 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: DelaWhere
LOL, there's lots of old wood around here, they don't need my help building nests.

I've moved my biddies to the shed yesterday. They're cautious - moving around in a cluster - but like spreading their wings.


4,803 posted on 03/16/2009 8:43:22 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Alice in Wonderland

WOW - nice shed/coop... They will enjoy that!


4,804 posted on 03/16/2009 9:15:37 AM PDT by DelaWhere ("Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

ping for later


4,805 posted on 03/16/2009 9:21:15 AM PDT by trout3
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

>>>For those unfamiliar with pastoral activities, allow me to enlighten: I grew up on a farm, and can personally attest that most types of agriculture require close contact with dirt. Especially for the dry-land types of farming that produce most of the world’s cereal crop, a cloud of dust is the unavoidable consequence of preparing the land for planting. Even using the most modern and minimal cultivation techniques, it’s a grimy business.<<<

I can sure attest to that!

I think that these judges made a visit to Epcot and think that what they see during the days there is all that there is to Agriculture... Maybe they need to visit with the night shift and do some of the dirty work that is involved preparing the displays for viewing.

Yep, farming is dirty work, but the most fulfilling thing I think that anyone can experience.

Does this remind anyone else of that cartoon of the OSHA Cowboy from a few decades ago. Seat belt, training wheels, safety net, hard hat, face shield, even a built-in pooper scooper... Horse would have been immobile.

I am also reminded of the lawsuit against an Amish sawmill - seems someone bought a plot of land next to the mill and built a half million dollar home, then sued to try to keep the sawmill from making all those loud cutting noises...

Then there was a neighbor who had a 160 acre field with one single tree in the middle of it - since he was installing a circular irrigation system, he took his bulldozer out to remove the tree. Since the roots were pretty substantial, he had to cut a trench on one side of the tree to push it over. Then after he finished pushing out the tree, a thunderstorm came up, so he stopped the dozer and went to the house. Next morning when he went out to finish and fill in the trench, Natural Resources met him and prohibited him from filling in the trench... Since it had water puddle in it, they declared it a ‘wetland’ - It still stands there - one dip that maybe once a year holds a bit of water for a day or two... Since the trench is right where the wheels run, he has to run the irrigation system up to that point, then reverse and go back the other way, just like he did when the tree was there.

Now I hear that Maryland is trying to outlaw fertilizer and all chemicals for lawns and gardens... Say that since it is uncontrolled, it might run off into a creek and then into the bay...

OK, OK, I’ll quit... Hehehe Just that maybe my sensitive buttons get pushed and I can’t help myself... Seems to be happening more nowdays than it used to... LOL Øbama is just the latest part of it - it has been building for quite a while.


4,806 posted on 03/16/2009 10:19:37 AM PDT by DelaWhere ("Without power over our own food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe)
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To: DelaWhere

Oh yes! Those sensitive buttons. The city people who moved into our town and decided the church bells interrupted their sleep. I have heard those bells for 70+ years even from 3+ miles away. Love them, especially , the special Easter season ringing during the noon hour. Took several months to resolve that, but thank goodness the bells are still ringing on the hour weekdays and special music before services on Sunday.

Was invited to a round table discussion yesterday hosted by the local Historical Society as one of the few older natives left in our small town.(now, doesn’t that make me feel old?) After sharing old photos and memories with the members, the few of us “old folks” were asked what we missed most about our life years ago. I was quick to compare building our first home-living in the basement with an out house and gradually building a nine room house as we could afford it with no mortgage to building our current home, paying exorbitant permit fees and bowing to ridiculous demands, even to taking a few inches from our stair railing as it was too long. There were several town officials present and probably not happy with my opinion.

When we decided to build this home on the same property as our old home, we wanted to be nearer the river. Now in our town we can’t have anything closer than 150 feet of the river. No road, no screen house or any building. But across the river, in another town, the restriction is 50 feet, so those people can have even their homes very near the river while my screen house has to be over 150 feet away .

Yes, I could go on and on, and with Obama, I can look forward to many, many more rights taken away.


4,807 posted on 03/16/2009 12:33:48 PM PDT by upcountry miss
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To: All; TenthAmendmentChampion

Drought called to temporary end in O.C.
March 13th, 2009, 3:00 am · posted by Gary Robbins, O.C. Register science writer-editor

Federal forecasters have reclassified Orange County from being in a moderate drought to abnormally dry due to bountiful storms in November and February. But the Orange County Fire Authority hasn’t called an end to fire season — keeping more than 170,000 acres of wildlands off-limits to the public. And the region might not get any more significant precipitation through the end of the current rainy season (which ends June 30), which would lead the feds to push the county back into drought by late spring or early summer.

The reclassification was issued by the U.S Drought Monitor, a coalition of federal and university scientists who monitor drought conditions nationally. The change is status doesn’t override the state of emergency that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared for the entire state of California on Feb. 27 as a result of nearly 3 years of below-average rainfall, especially in parts of the Sierra Nevada. Instead, the new designation means that Southern California has received enough rain to drop out of drought status — for now. The region still has to import about half of the water it will consume this year.

In the map shown here, areas in yellow are classified as abnormally dry. Those in tan are in moderate drought. And those in orange are listed as being in severe drought.

Since July 1, John Wayne Airport has recorded 7.62” of rain, which is 2.83” below normal. But other areas have fared much better. For example, Fullerton Airport has gotten 9.87” of rain, almost an inch above normal. Riverside has gotten 6.59”, which is 1.60” below average. But San Diego has gotten 8.80”, which is almost normal.

There’s apt to be little evaporation for the next 3-4 days. The National Weather Service says local temperatures will be at, or slightly below normal, through the beginning of next week.
Source: http://sciencedude.freedomblogging.com/2009/03/13/drought-called-to-temporary-end-in-oc/21331/


Check out http://groups.yahoo.com/group/californiadisasters/


4,808 posted on 03/16/2009 3:18:17 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All

Gun incidents rise in Metro schools
The Tennessean Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:16 AM PDT
With two months left in the school year, the number of guns recovered at Nashville public schools has already doubled from last year.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090316/NEWS04/903160343/-1/RSS05


4,809 posted on 03/16/2009 3:23:37 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All; PGalt; Rushmore Rocks; Calpernia; Velveeta; LucyT

[How long before obama thinks of this old brainwashing tool?]

The Other Russia

Russian Activist Forced into Psychiatric Confinement

March 15th, 2009

A Russian opposition activist, who says he was confined against his will
to a mental hospital, will remain in the facility after a St. Petersburg
court ruled in favor of his compulsory treatment Saturday. According to
the ZAKS.ru online newspaper (Rus), Vadim Charushev is well known as the
creator of several political web-resources and social networking groups.

According to Charushev’s attorney, Viktor Grozovsky, the activist was
detained by police, then forcibly hospitalized on the night of March
6th. It remains unclear why Charushev was first arrested.

Grozovsky said he had spoken with Charushev for two hours, and commented
that he appeared to be “a completely normal, mentally sane person.”
Charushev told the attorney that he had categorically refused to sign
for treatment as a voluntary patient, at which point he was threatened.
The activist was told: “You won’t get out of here, you’ll be here as
long as it takes, and you’ll have other problems as well.”

At that point, Charushev says he was forced to sign off on his
hospitalization. Despite the fact that Charushev has not been diagnosed
with any illness, he may now be held at the clinic for up to 6 months.

Charushev was creator and moderator of a wide range of political
opposition groups on VKontakte, a Russian social networking website
similar to the US-based Facebook. Among his groups were “I didn’t vote
for United Russia and Putin’s marionette!,” and “Galina Starovoytova,
your ideas live on.” Starovoytova, a deputy in Russia’s State Duma,
rallied for ethnic minorities and human rights, and was assassinated in
Moscow in 1998.

Olga Starovoytova, Galina’s sister, said she had met Charushev online,
and was grateful for his efforts to remember her sister’s work and
ideas. “He needs to be taken out of the mental hospital at any cost, as
quickly as possible,” she told ZAKS.ru.

Natalya Nelayeva, one of Charushev’s long-time friends, testified as a
witness on his behalf. “Vadim’s health worries me very much,” she told
the court. “He is completely green, hasn’t eaten anything for five days
now and is terribly emaciated.”

Nelayeva believes Charushev’s confinement is punishment for his
political beliefs.

http://tinyurl.com/dzb2hd


Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chechnya-sl/


4,810 posted on 03/16/2009 4:36:36 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
I have a whole family of convicts across the street from me, so will pass on the community get together’ s, they are penny ante type robbers.

This is a neighborhood that does not want to mingle, some of us have been here over 30 years.

It was a shock to me, I didn’t expect to ever live in an area like this.


I'm sorry to hear that granny. Keep your powder dry!

Seriously, I do think more and more of this society is the same as what you are encountering, except for some of the rural areas perhaps. We only know about 2 of our neighbors - and that's 1 more than I want to know. (the ones right next to us are plain trashy).

However, at our cabin in the mountains, we know everyone. We go up there for peace and quiet - and the social activities in a community of less than 25 full-time residents and about 100 vacation homes is almost nonstop. Although many are liberals (being in Mexifornia), I think they'll still be hardy enough folk to handle what might happen. After all, they live in 5-10 feet of snow in a rather isolated area from Dec-May. If I didn't have that to fall back on, I'd be ready to pack and move (but where to - I don't know!)
4,811 posted on 03/16/2009 4:56:55 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: All; metmom; Calpernia

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18935146/detail.html?treets=den&tid=2659747428813&tml=den_7am&tmi=den_7am_1_08000203162009&ts=H#-

Report: Nurse Used Dirty Needles To Steal Rx
Nurse Accused Of Stealing Pain Killer

POSTED: 10:46 am MDT March 15, 2009

BOULDER, Colo. — A former nurse accused of stealing pain medication intended for surgical patients has been tested for HIV and hepatitis after telling authorities he sometimes used dirty needles on patients.

The Daily Camera newspaper reports that the former nurse at Boulder Community Hospital — 27-year-old Ashton Paul Daigle — told police in a taped interview about using dirty needles to replace the drug fentanyl with a saline solution.

Daigle, from Lafayette, faces life in prison if he’s convicted on the 108 counts of tampering with a consumer product and 67 counts of creating a counterfeit controlled substance for allegedly stealing fentanyl — a strong narcotic prescription medication that can be addictive. He was indicted in November 2008.

continues, 350 patients being tested for his diseases....


4,812 posted on 03/16/2009 4:58:14 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Wneighbor
Reading about all those grains makes me want that grain mill. Hmmm..... I think Lloyd said he was getting me one 2 weeks ago. Wonder where it is? I want to get on with grain grinding!

Have you got it yet? I was wondering what the difference is between a grain mill and a grinder, if any? (ie., is there yet another items I need to put on my to-buy list?!)
4,813 posted on 03/16/2009 5:00:03 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: djf

ping


4,814 posted on 03/16/2009 5:01:53 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: Marmolade; DelaWhere
Thanks to the extra coaching from DelaWhere, I dry canned my 1st batch of beans and rice yesterday. It was pretty easy. My 16 year old son got in on the action, filling jars, loading and unloading them from the oven. Unfortunately, he wasn’t home to hear the pinging from the kitchen as they cooled. What a delightful sound.

Neat! I have mine all filled and ready to go. So it worked just as described then? I also have some oxygen absorbers that I ordered before getting DW's instructions, so I guess I might as well use them too since they don't last forever.
4,815 posted on 03/16/2009 5:05:40 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: Eagle50AE
Rush just mentioned a Rasmussen poll that 53% felt we are headed to a ‘30’s style depression.. God help I hope not.

I heard that too. I wonder if we can have a depression and also inflation at the same time? The worst of both worlds...
4,816 posted on 03/16/2009 5:06:48 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Having to do some speed reading here - I was out of town since last Wednesday and look what you’ve done! (You and your friends, that is)

500 more posts to read!

But I did look forward to checking this thread and see what was new. ;)


4,817 posted on 03/16/2009 5:08:05 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: Wneighbor
Store was out of lemon juice yesterday when I went. Said due to a worldwide shortage of lemons. I didn't know we had a worldwide shortage of lemons.

That's probably what I get for not being on the thread every day isn't it? I bet if I'd been reading here I would have known about the lemon shortage.


LOL! Amazing what we learn here, isn't it?

Well, if anyone wants to come over, I have a lemon tree with way more lemons than I've been able to use. They're starting to lose some of their juice now and I hate to see them go to waste. And boy, do they still smell marvelous! Lemon is such a happy fragrance...(at least to me)
4,818 posted on 03/16/2009 5:12:27 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: Wneighbor
Sounds like I need to put more rice ice packs in the freezer. LOL

Ok, what's a rice pack?

You know it's getting mainstream on the conservative side if Rush is telling everyone to stock up.

I was surprised to hear him say that. Very. And thought it really indicated the serious situation we are in.
4,819 posted on 03/16/2009 5:14:13 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: MHGinTN
As a red-blooded batchelor I love watching Nigella prepare meals. Heck, I even enjoy watching and listening to Ina Garten. But Alton Brown is my favorite TV star ... and I’m not gay.

LOL! I really like watching Good Eats. Or anything Alton is in because he throws in the science of cooking anytime. I get to indulge in my 2 favorite activities: science and food!

I've never watched Nigella though. Am I missing something good food-wise or is she just pretty?
4,820 posted on 03/16/2009 5:17:08 PM PDT by CottonBall
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