Can we please keep comments about the Mormon faith off the political discussion threads?

one man's opinion...

[ken5050]

As we enter the GOP primary season, I'm starting to notice more and more an annoying trend here in FR. It seems as though everytime there's an article, or someone posts a comment about Romney, either pro or con, it nearly always devolves into an extended, and acrimonious discussion about the Mormon faith. Those who defend it, and those who, for whatever reasons, can't abide it, both sides seem determined to wage an "end of times" batte on all the FR threads. Frankly, I'm tired of it, and just wish it would stop. I think that probably 99% of others here feel the same way.

[ken5050]

You have a talent for sarcasm, to be sure..a poor one..

[Tennessee Nana]

But accurate Ken, accurate

[magritte]

"And yet yer over HERE!"
Elsie, this is NOT the Religion Forum...it's Bloggers & Personal.

[magritte]

"I believe that LDS considers ALL non-LDS religions as "apostate" religions...making them fair game for a response no matter what "site management" policy is or might be!"

Well, Judaism believes Christianity is an apostate version of Judaism...does that mean Jewish faith is fair game for all Christian freepers??

[Colofornian]

The question was, can you vote for a non Christian if they are Jewish? [DU]

The statement was, "Jews are not Christian" My answer was, "Nor do they claim to be". [Graybeard58]

Excellent delineation, Graybeard!

Not that I'm trying to avoid your new question. My answer to that would be an emphatic yes, I would vote for a Jewish person, if he/she was conservative. [Graybeard58]

I've covered this in my first of five principles that focuses on weighing a Mormon candidacy for POTUS:

Question #1 at hand: Is it important to have a POTUS whose God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
Principle #1 that addresses this: THE 'BATPHONE' PRINCIPLE DURING A JACK BAUER-TYPE OF '24' CRISIS [LET'S HAVE A 'COMMISSIONER GORDON' WHO ACTUALLY HAS A 'BATPHONE' DIRECT LINE TO THE GOD OF THIS WORLD IN THE MIDST OF CRISES SITUATIONS!]

Extended explanation: Principle #1: THE 'BATPHONE' PRINCIPLE DURING A JACK BAUER-TYPE OF '24' CRISIS [LET'S HAVE A 'COMMISSIONER GORDON' WHO ACTUALLY HAS A 'BATPHONE' DIRECT LINE TO THE GOD OF THIS WORLD IN THE MIDST OF CRISES SITUATIONS!]

Say what? Obviously God hears the prayers of all people. But we know from reading the Bible that God seemingly responds more favorably to those He is in an actual relationship with...versus examples like Pharisaical religious legalists whom Jesus said were of their father, the devil (John 8).

Many, including Mormon leaders, claim that if we start considering the faith of a candidate, that it might "weaken the foundation" of our country.

You mean religionists might actually prefer having a POTUS in the White House who actually knows the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Why, how shocking!

Do we mean that if the Living God was called upon during a Jack Bauer-like crisis by a POTUS who actually is in a vital relationship with Him...that is problematic? What?

To hear some tell it, such a candidate would NEVER be preferred over voting for an atheist candidate on faith grounds!

Which in turn, would supposedly "weaken the religious foundation" of our country?

How does that make any sense?

[ken5050]

I give up, I really do..my original comments were mild, neutral, and in no way offensive. I suggested that the religious doctrine comments, both pro-and anti Mormon, that seem to end up permeating nearly all of the GOP nominee political discussion threads were getting tiresome, if not out of control. Looking at the majoirty of the comments, they seem to make my point for me.

So, it will continue to get worse..and it debases FR..as was said, that's why mainstream conservatives ignore FR..and then there will be a needed correction by those in charge.

[Colofornian]

Well, Judaism believes Christianity is an apostate version of Judaism...does that mean Jewish faith is fair game for all Christian freepers??

One of the top "content messages" those 52,000 Lds Missionaries talk about is the so-called "universal apostasy" and restoration.

If the Jewish faith starts sending out 52,000 missionaries with the message that all Christians are apostate, then your answer is "yes."

Likewise, if the Jewish faith made that a main message on its various Web sites, curricula, books, etc. -- as does the Mormon church -- then yes, expect a response.

Now be honest: Is that a front-and-center message churned out by Jews? (I don't think so)

[magritte]

"Now be honest: Is that a front-and-center message churned out by Jews? (I don't think so)"

As you well know the Jews do NOT proselytize and push their message out to the masses as Christian missionaries do. It's against their belief system to do so.

They do, however, believe that Christianity is an apostate version of Judaism and when asked about it will explain it to you.

Let me see if I understand you. If all LDS missionaries were pulled back, and the apostate message was put to the back of the webpages, yet all Mormons still felt the same way, you would be less prone to dispute them? It's a matter of presentation, not belief, that annoys you?

[Elsie]

It's also why no public conservative figures will touch this website with a ten foot pole anymore.

[Godzilla]

>Please cite source. Thank you.<

Not listed as member of wcc:
http://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches/global-bodies-and-mission-communions/wcc.html

Nor is it recognized under Christian Church families
http://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches/church-families.html

The NCC does not include mormons as a member organization but relates to them in an “interfaith” manner - like non-Christian religions such as Buddhism.
http://www.ncccusa.org/interfaith/brieftheocom.html

[Elsie]

Tennessee Nana(A Cute Nana and a Bible based Christian and Joey Smith was a false prophet)

Ya THINK???

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JESUS: Hey Smith!       Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But.... 

[Elsie]

Tennessee Nana(A Cute Nana and a Bible based Christian and Joey Smith was a false prophet)

Ya THINK???

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"Joseph; I advise you not to go to that jail."

 

"Darn gnats!!"

 

 

"Joseph; I'm telling you to not to go to that jail."

 

"Flies are BAD today!!"

 

 

"Joseph; It ain't gonna be pretty if you ignore me and go to that jail!"

 

"Crummy mosquitos are EVERYWHERE!!!"

 

 

"Joseph!  Do NOT go to that jail!"

 

"And those bedbugs really savaged me last night, too!"

 

 

"JOSEPH!!  Wake up boy!   Do Not Go To That JAIL!!!"

 

"All right Sheriff - here I am, so give me a nice room while my Lawyer, my Advocate, my Comforter presents the LAW to the Judge and I am VINDICATED!!!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Godzilla]

So, to you the prophets int eh Bible were unstable?

Having delusions of prophethood du? Elevating mitt to that of a prophet equivalent to moses?

and we don't think...

When the prophet speaks, the thinking is done.

[Elsie]

Tennessee Nana(A Cute Nana and a Bible based Christian and Joey Smith was a false prophet)

Ya THINK???

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Polygamy: How it all got Started

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Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?

 

Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?

 

Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.

 

Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!

 

Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!

 

 

Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"

 

 

Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!

 

 

 

 

 

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...and the rest is HISTORY...

 

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THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI

CHAPTER 2

 

  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

 

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Or even HERE:

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 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

 

 

1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.

 

 

 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.

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Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!!

 

Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!

 

 

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THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 132

 

  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 

 

  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to ^aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.

  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, ^areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.

  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been ^afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.

  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and ^acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be ^bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.

  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ^ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of ^beternal lives in the eternal worlds.

  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid ^aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to ^brejoice.

[Elsie]

Tennessee Nana(A Cute Nana and a Bible based Christian and Joey Smith was a false prophet)

Ya THINK???

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NIV Galatians 1:6-9
 6.  I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--
 7.  which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8.  But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
 9.  As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

 

 

 

ANYBODY???

 

Like this fine looking fellow???

 

 

 

 

 

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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

 

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2 Corinthians 11:12-15
 12.  And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
 13.  For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
 14.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 15.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

 

 

KJV 1 Corinthians 4:17
  For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

 

KJV 1 Corinthians 11:2
   Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

 

 KJV 2 Thessalonians 2:15
   Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

KJV 2 Timothy 1:13
   Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

 

KJV 2 Timothy 3:14-15
 14.  But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
 15.  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

[Elsie]

Whaddya think, Ken?

I'd be happy just knowing the frequency!

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(Or maybe more about the MORMON 9/11)

[Godzilla]

So, you quote books, but no links and no knowledge of their sources...

News flash - not all books are on the internet. Further news flash, not everything on the internet is valid.

Then you quote from the Deseret news in 1896 (the year Utah Gained Statehood) about what happened while Utah was a territory?

Yep - because it shows exactly what mormonism's goals were/are in regards to politics. What has changed? Not much, just more slick hairdoos and three piece suits.

Godzilla, if I had presented such sloppy scholarship you would have beat me about the head and shoulders with it.

That accounts for all your bruises du. Ever figure out when the nephite exhibit opens at the Smithsonian?

[Elsie]

Elsie, this is NOT the Religion Forum...it's Bloggers & Personal.

Duh!

Why are you HERE then; talking about RELIGION?

Don't you know there is a place for it; tucked away where INTELLIGENT folks won't have to be pestered by it?

[Elsie]

Well, Judaism believes Christianity is an apostate version of Judaism...does that mean Jewish faith is fair game for all Christian freepers??

There you go AGAIN!!

[Mr.Unique]

It seems that it's the SAME people, over and over again, posting the SAME comments, the SAME pictures, the SAME talking points, the SAME links...

This is true of many posters and their "pet" topics.