Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
(Excerpt) Read more at web.israelinsider.com ...
two very fixed positions: believing that it is unlikely a forger would go to the trouble of adding a seal that is only faintly discernible, or believing that this only proves the cleverness of the forgery.The third position is that since any genuine document used to generate the fill-in-the-blanks document would have an impressed seal, the new master blank would too.
Well, I know I was oversimplifying a bit in order to present a dichotomy (lumping your third option under "cleverness of the forgery,") but my larger point was really in my last paragraph:
Absent a paper document examined by a third party, that disagreement won’t be resolved. Absent any actual evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii (to date, I have seen none,) it will make exactly no difference at all to most voters.
Thanks for the scary link.
The thugs in control of the Obamination can’t control the internet here and around the world.
There is no way they can keep Obamination’s vile past connections from floating up like bad stuff in an unflushed toilet bowl.
One can only imagine what the Mossad has in their files re the Obamination.
How did you know that during the passportgate breach the searches were for (1. Dunham. 2. Soetoro. 3. Obama)
or is that conjecture on your part?
Yeah. And even a paper document can be forged.
I think we have passed the Rubicon. In just the past few years it has become literally impossible to truly verify anything.
Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about.
Strawberry Fields forever.
They don't need control.
All they need is the ability to eliminate certainty.
No, not trying to be prickly, lost track of who said what when is all.
Back to more important and better news ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2045600/posts
Heh, heh, heh. Good one!
OK. Thanks, I didn’t really think you were, but....
“Claims that obama MUST be an American Citizen because he has a passport don’t impress me at all, he would be entitled to claim dual nationality, Kenyan/US or Indonesian/US “
Okay, so you are saying that his passport has dual nationality? And that glaring fact would be on his passport
but not noted in official bios?
And why would he be entitled to dual Indonesian citizenship when he spent fewer years there than I spent in the UK (I am a US not UK citizen)?
Hmm...sticking with the theme:
"I think I know I mean 'Yes,' but it's all wrong.
That is I think I disagree"
Sometimes I think a bit too much of the CSI-mindset has seeped into our culture (not saying this applies to you.) Neither "preponderance of the evidence" nor "beyond a reasonable doubt" is good enough; we have to see ironclad, irrefutable cases backed by escrowed physical evidence. And cases like that almost never actually exist.
Those that have looked at the presence of seals, signatures and so forth on the posted birth certificate images and decided they are authentic have not concluded that the authenticity is proven. As I've said, it can't be. They have only decided that the most likely explanation is that the images represent an actual, authentic document.
The simplest way for Obama to produce an independently verified birth certificate is simply to authorize a third party to obtain a copy directly from the state of Hawaii. No reasonable person would question the validity of such a document (although I am sure some people would.)
If he ever concludes that there is a controversy about the online image that is actually hurting his campaign, he will do that. Right now, I don't think that is the case. Absent some kind new revelation (which will not be produced by endless examination of a JPG image,) I don't foresee that changing.
But I've been wrong before.
IF he can!
why would he be entitled to dual Indonesian citizenship when he spent fewer years there than I spent in the UK (I am a US not UK citizen)?
He was legally adopted in Indonesia and became a Citizen of that country in the legal process, Similarly Kenya claims he is a citizen of Kenya because of his father involvement in his birth.
:) BTTT
Excellent work. Any bets that Obama’s files were (Sandy) Bergerized?
Good morning devolve! Was just getting ready to upload some Obama images. Good post and I found a larger one for you, could use some cleaning up but don’t have time to do it now.
True
Wow!
Excellent summary.
We've gone round in multiple circles of speculation here, but there are few things that from my perspective we've ascertained:
1. The Obama COLB they posted in all probability is valid, as it matches what we've learned it needs to have. It does has impressions of the seal (which was claimed earlier was missing) and does match other forms (viz KJC1 comments), although it mismatches other forms, raising suspicions. Claims of 'proof that it is a forgery' have not been convincing (to me and bloggers like LGF etc), so some folks will have to 'agree to disagree' unless/until more definitive proof is found.
2. Obama campaign COLB is evidence, but they have not proved anything beyond doubt. The COLB they posted can't be proven valid unless and until Hawaii Dept of Health vouches for it or the Obama campaign shares the paper copy for public review. That dept has refused to release the records based on statute restrictions.
3. There are additional reasons to believe that Obama has valid birth documentation, since he would require some means to obtain a US passport. His passport files have been accessed, and Senators on diplomatic passports get extra scrutiny. If something was amiss with his birth records, its likely that it would have leaked out somehow somewhere.
4. To believe the COLB is forged, you would have to ascertain a motive and a belief that something in the official Obama bio is wrong. It's not his mother's marital status, since that's not on the COLB. His name is already known and 'infamous'. Religion? That's not on such forms. You are left with place of birth as the only valid reason *for* a forgery. There is also the possibility that this COLB image was doctored but Obama's birth information is all correct. However, it is unlikely that Obama campaign would vouch for something unnecessarily like that. That leaves us with ... his place of birth.
5. Attempts to show any scenario where Barack Obama was not born in Honolulu, Hawaii has not borne fruit. Claims were made of quotes from family and other reports of reports, but nobody has been able to cite anything, and even a internet report is a thin basis for such a stunning claim.
6. The much discussed 1971 Christmas photos aka 'wedding photo' were taken in 1971, and the terminal matches the 1971 terminal, and the boy in it is Barack Jr. Those photos tell us nothing we didnt already know from Barack's bio.
7. For most voters they have enough. They have enough proof and support for Obama's claim to be born in Honolulu Hawaii and to therefore be eligible for President. Those suspicious of the COLB are left with a highly unlikely alternate scenario to justify their doubts, but without any real evidence to convince others.
That's what I've concluded, anyway.
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