Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
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HOLD IT!
You quoted my comment #3223
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2040486/replies?c=3223
Where it’s shown that the date stamp on the reverse of the obama CoLB supposedly reads from left to right on one image, and from the opposite direction on another image.
Political Junkie Too - check out the link above.
Sorry if I missed anyone here ping-wise, but if the people who think Obama’s certificate looks fake (borders, “FILED” versus “ACCEPTED”, faint impression of a seal that is hardly visible from the front, or anything else) want to REALLY AND TRULY know the truth, then join me in pinging Jim Robinson to ask him to have me send him my certified, signed, embossed copy that looks 100% like Obama’s. Put your money, your brains, anything else where your mouth is. Do it. Ask Jim Rob to accept my offer; you will find out you are totally wrong. Just do it, for God’s sake, unless you are afraid of the truth.
WOSG, good job, you have more patience than I do.
<<<Still laughing over here. The blind leading the blind, and like I said, it’s funny to me now that this is relegated to the proverbial backroom.
No person who does not ping JimRob asking me to put up or shut up should be given any credence from here on out.
“You bet it is. I wondered why no one else had caught that.”
Probably because very few people actually READ the linked articles...here they are again.
The Obama “Forged Birth Certificate” Myth Is Busted
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5626
QUESTION: Are there seals hidden from view on the “Certificate of Live Birth” images posted to (a) the Daily Kos. (b) BarackObama.com (aka “Fight the Smears”) and/or (c) the two images posted on OPENDNA’s PhotoBucket account?
ANSWER: YES to (a), but a big, fat NO to (b) and (c)
(a) The Daily Kos COLB:
Great, just great.
I one stupid journalist gets Stanley Ann Dunham’s name wrong due to a misunderstanding over a nickname, and within 100 posts of you sharing this, we’ve got freepers talking of a “cover up”, ... oh, and pics of Thomas the tank Engine just for fun.
Do we laugh or cry over this blundering?
Does your certificate have the #, or is it redacted, showing alteration? Like Obama’s?
Ask Jim Robinson to confirm/deny what I am saying. Unless you are scared to do so...
“The issue about Obama’s place of birth has been in circulation for many years—I haven’t researched the question but I believe it was an issue in all of his earlier political campaigns.”
That is not true. The earlier false claims were that Obama wasnt a natural born US citizen since hawaii wasnt a state. Never mind that hawaii *was* a State in 1961 and every person born in Hawaii since *1900* was a natural-born US citizen.
“He has stonewalled the inquiry.”
That is not true. There is nothing to stonewall. Barack Obama was born in Honolulu Hawaii and is therefore a natural-born US citizen. It’s been on his passports his whole life, he has seen his birth cert. and it says Honolulu Hawaii is his place of birth. Its really not complicated.
The only fly in the ointment right now is that some dont see sufficient proof in the COLB that he shared.
Some even claim its a fake, but the evidence put forward to support that claim is very weak.
” As his political goals came to include the presidency, the inquiry became a little more intense.”
Um, not really.
“Articles suggesting that there was live testimony from Sarah (one of his father’s other wives) and two half siblings that they were present when he was born in Kenya.”
Um, no. We’ve had second-hand-source claims. This has been a particular and unusual claim on this thread and a few other rumor sites, but that is all.
Such claims, if they exist (more likely due to a confusion than anything else), utterly and totally contradict what’s in barack’s bios, his “Dreams of My Father”, and other earlier sources, including his passport, almost certainly. As such, they defy credulity, as they would require multiple conspiratorial acts of fraud and/or dishonesty. How did Barack Obama get a US passport if he was not born exactly where and when this document says he was born?
http://www.barackobama.com/images/fts/BO_birthcert.jpg
“The airport pictures are evidence on the time line; both with respect to the birth location and marriage issues with respect to Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham.”
They are evidence of the visit Obama Sr made to Barack and Ann in Christmas 1971, as a proper analysis of the pictures concludes that they were taken at Honolulu airport at Christmastime 1971, during a visit that Barack Jr wrote about in “Dreams of my father”.
“Obama is on the record as having characterized the airport picture of his mother and Obama Sr. as a “wedding picture”.”
No he’s not, that is another misunderstanding of texts and captions. Who takes wedding pictures in airports anyway?
“The mother is on the record under oath in her divorce proceeding that they were married on Maui. Obama fixes the date at February 2, 1961.” Not Obama, reporting that reporting on Ann Dunham’s divorce filing from 1964.
“No way to be precise but you would expect Christmas decorations in public places to be gone by the end of December or early January. Way too early to be leaving to go to Maui for a wedding a month later.” - Correct. All the more reason to reject this nutty theory, as you dont see christmas tree decorations in early february, and you dont have Barack Jr in the picture at aged 10, and you dont have a Barack Sr looking like he’s in his mid-30s, when he was 23 or so in 1961. It’s all fatally wrong and the pictures are definitely from 1971.
“So, if Obama’s description of the wedding picture can be supported, it is at least a reasonable inference that they are leaving for a distant area where the marriage (given the existence of Obama Sr.’s other wives) would be legal—probably Kenya.” - You have the problem of a divorce filing that mentions marriage in Maui. You have the problem that there is nothing in the record indicating any such event; just your inventive suppositions.
You have the problem of why Barack Jr is aged 10 in this photo set supposedly taken in 1961.
We have public reports that say a marriage took place on Feb 2, 1961 and a birth took place on Aug 4, 1961 in Honolulu Hawaii. This 18 year old college student lacked the means to afford international travel, yet on the basis of a single photo, which can only be placed outside the 1971 timeframe by pretending Barack Jr is not there, you concoct a whole alternate reality. Collateral facts indeed. You’ve taken one photo, mistaken the time period and built a whole zero evidence fairy tale around it.
Such wisps as: “Also, there is a report out (Wayne Madsen) that documents demonstrating his birth in Kenya have been obtained.” There are no reports. There are reports of reports of reports, an attempt to spin up a conspiracy theory out of the ether of poorly written sentences and mistakes.
Let’s see the solid ground of fact before you build castles on top of them. As of now, it looks like castles in the air.
How ‘bout we just ping you as an idiot, and leave JR out of this until you post something worthwhile on the topic.
Your and WOSG’s venom is outed: JR would have shut us down two months ago re: this ‘bunny trail’ if it wasn’t truly developing.
At a very minimum, in discovering Stanley Ann and her parents, we find that Obama is more steeped in Marxism than we’d ever have known without the birth certificate issue (which, by the way, John McCain is battling in numerous states with HIS b/c).
Why won’t you accept my challenge? You are calling me a liar.
Do it all the way, and make a liar out of me. Ping Jim Robinson. He’ll be able to tell who is lying.
Will you ping him or will you shy away from it?
Your little troll trickery to get Jim’s address isn’t flying with me.
Nothing is stopping you from sending it to
FreeRepublic, LLC
PO BOX 9771
FRESNO, CA 93794
Look, chickensh*t, this is a forum where we discuss politics and don’t engage in sissy-boy black-mail. Do you have something substantial to add to the B/C imagery and discussion or are you just going to be gay about it? Put up or shut up, already.
Yes :)
I'll accept that, and it really is easy for Obama to address.
They are evidence of the visit Obama Sr made to Barack and Ann in Christmas 1971, as a proper analysis of the pictures concludes that they were taken at Honolulu airport at Christmastime 1971
Analysis of the airport pictures settled the location, not the year. You added that tidbit. There is nothing in the photos to indicated 1971, but there are reports that the location where the photos were taken were demolished in 1965. The disposition of the terminal still needs to be resolved.
-PJ
That scaredy-cat is trying to locate JR physically?
If you’re getting flak, you must be over the target.
My troll-trickery? Oh my God. You are insane. I have been a donor for almost 4 years.
You, on the other hand, seem to be afraid of pinging Jim Robinson to accept my offer.
You are nuts. How is me offering my BC to JimRob “blackmail”? Do you, or do you not, want proof of documents?
Odd, my 'puter insists it's in News/Activism, not the Smokey Backroom.
Tell me, should I believe you, or my own lyin' eyes?
“This whole mass denial about Obama’s birth legend is similar. There’s a clear Constitutional requirement for the highest office in this land, in this the most powerful nation in the history of the world — a position wielding awesome power. And this man clearly has problems in meeting it.”
No. He. Doesnt.
The preponderance of evidence shows that Obama’s COLB is real and not a fake.
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5649
Latest update from AJ Strata:
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5652
(Go to the source for the link, I am cut-n-pasting the text for edification):
There is a lot of silliness out there regarding Barrack Obama’s Birth Certificate (as I posted here, here and here). Folks can review my posts and see how the silliness grew at each step the conspiracy theory was debunked, because it was reborn anew on the desperate wishes of those who cannot find any better arguments to oppose Barrack Obama’s presidential campaign. What has me amazed the most is that much of this conspiracy myth is tied directly to 9-11!
To recap briefly, there has been a totally irrelevant debate regarding where Obama was born, how long his mother lived in the newly minted state of Hawaii, etc. The theories all evolve around questioning Obama’s citizenship, and therefore his qualification to run for the presidency. In an attempt to simply shut down the speculation the Obama campaign, along with the DailyKos website, released a scanned image of a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB). The fact it was an image of a scanned hard copy document led to all sorts of naive conclusions from the “COLB truthers”, building the storm of wild speculation which has morphed into a weird obsession for many.
First some claimed the image was a forgery because the image was an Adobe Photo Shop file - until some more pragmatic people with cooler heads pointed out that Photo Shop is a perfectly normal program to grab scanned images, to cover up information that someone doesn’t want public (like an identification number on the COLB) and to make web-friendly versions of the image file that would take less bandwidth to download. That should have pruned back the excitement a bit. No such luck.
Once that myth was debunked, the new theory was the image was a fake because there was no evidence of a state seal, authority signature and date stamp on the back of the document (duh!, they only distributed an image of the front). But technology came to bear and the date stamp was detected as well as impressions of a state seal and signature area (though faint). Myth two busted, but that did not dim the hopes of some!
I guess I forgot all those crazies who confused a 2007 issued COLB with a 1961 Birth Certificate, the ones who started this mess. But that is such a naive mistake I keep trying to not even think about it. You know who you are, so let’s move on.
Anyway, things got even crazier as the fringe kept grasping to save their conspiracy theory from the dustbin of history. When a poster at Kos took the image of the COLB and doctored it using MacPaint, the junior sleuths were at it again claiming this doctored image was actually the source of the Kos image (and a companion one on the Obama campaign site). I debunked that fantasy in the links above, and a forensic document expert at Atlas Shrugs confirmed my conclusions, while simultaneously creating the next myth of a clear forgery. The mock-up, known as the Opendna image, is of much lower resolution and cannot be the source of the other two images.
You can go to the last two posts above to see my conclusions, but I found the last theory at Atlas Shrugs to verge on the stupid. Sorry, but as the options for keeping the myth alive died out, the ‘logic’ to find one more way to salvage it went well into the bizarre. Techdude, the computer forensic expert at Atlas Shrugs, noted the glaringly obvious fact that a Sep 2002 COLB for one Ms Decosta was dramatically different from the Jun 2007 COLB for Barrack Obama. And they are different, but the reason why is quite interesting.
What Techdude took as a really, really bad forgery I had always concluded represented an updated background and paper for the Hawaii COLB. It never occurred to me any serious adult would confuse two clearly different documents, separated by 5 years, as being some kind of forgery. BTW, Techdude was not the only major conspiracy theorist to jump this shark (and I will be using this link to provide other links to the documents in question).
Which brings me now to 9-11. I decided to go out and verify my conclusion that Hawaii had updated their vital records formats (Death and Birth) sometime between Sep 2002 and June 2007. And in doing so, it is needless to say I hit pay dirt. Hopefully Techdude can fold this information into his forthcoming forensic analysis (before he comes out with another side-splitting announcement).
So here is how 9-11 has fed the Obama BC mythology:
After 9-11 the Federal and State governments started work on the Real ID Act, which became law in 2005. The Real ID act was meant to tighten up the ubiquitous state Drivers License documents and process for obtaining these IDs - which we all know are used to gain access to commercial flights across this country. Much of this act was promoted by conservatives and resisted by liberals - which underpins the ironic connection between this act and the last vestiges of the Obama BC myth.
Part of the Real ID act was efforts by states to tighten up the documents used to get the IDs - things like birth certificates. Many things were changed so as to make sure state processes could not be easily gamed by terrorists to get drivers licenses, etc. This leads us to Hawaii and the two COLBs.
Let’s begin with a look at the Sep 2002 Decosta Hawaii COLB, realizing this was issued only one year after 9-11 and 3 years prior to the Real ID Act. Use the link above to see full size of the following image:
Reviewing the document one sees what looks to be an over-zeroxed background (just look at the blurred state seal). The border could be reproduced by cross-hatching some lines. It appears to be printed on thin basic paper stock (as noted by the imprint depth of the state seal), and other features. This is the HI COLB of 2002.
Now look at the Obama Colb of 2007:
Clearly a different format (again, use the link to see a larger version). We see a much crisper background, a more brilliant background pattern, possibly paper that is part cloth (since the seal imprint is very faint and can only be detected with image color processing). The border is now a pattern more reminiscent of what might be found on paper money. What we see are lots of new security features.
How anyone would claim these are “apple to apple” documents is beyond me?
So, my claim is these differences are explained because HI did something to their COLB in response to the Real ID act of 2005 before Jun 2007 - when Obama received the COLB he posted and shared with DailyKos. What I found should put a stake in the heart of this mess. As reported in April 2007:
REAL ID is one of the only 9/11 Commission recommendations that relies heavily on the states for implementation. REAL ID might have curtailed 9/11. REAL ID can make a difference to our national security, our economic security and our public safety – but only if fully implemented and adequately funded. To make REAL ID a reality, however, requires more than either the federal government or the states can do on their own. It requires a partnership. It also requires an acknowledgement that securing our nation’s physical and economic integrity is not just a federal responsibility; it is everyone’s responsibility. It requires a further acknowledgement that the ability to verify an individual’s true identity is one of the cornerstones of national and economic security.
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The Driver License/ID Security Framework that emerged from the AAMVA Special Task Force was detailed and comprehensive; that Framework became the backbone for REAL ID. The outline of the task force responsibilities is worth repeating as it shows how AAMVA – and thus the state DMVs – were well aware and desirous of fixing the multiple vulnerabilities in state ID issuances systems.
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Importantly, states are already in significant compliance with many aspects of REAL ID’s identity and eligibility verification requirements under REAL ID. All states are checking commercial driver and problem driver databases as required under prior federal law. All but two states are checking SSNs. Twenty states are checking for lawful presence. Vital effects (birth and death) records are in pilot within and between North Dakota, South Dakota and Iowa and five additional states have completed digitization of their vital effect records, including Hawaii, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri and Montana. Colorado and Minnesota are scheduled to join the pilot in 2007.
Emphasis mine. There you have it folks, that is how 9-11 caused HI to overhaul their vital records system, which led them to upgrade to a new COLB format and impose tighter processes surrounding it. These new processes include restrictions on how this information is distributed to third parties - another factor conspiracy nuts claim is evidence of a cover up. In reality it is evidence of this nation taking measures to protect itself from another 9-11.
To read more on Real ID and state efforts you can find some good information here and here.
OK, this myth is so busted. You want to know why Team Obama is not rushing out to debunk this silliness? My guess is they are laughing so hard they haven’t had time enough to catch their breaths. Besides, why would they stop their opponents from making fools of themselves?
Update: For those hung up on the format version numbers on the lower left hand corner it is clear they do not have to change if the background pattern changed. That versioning control may only apply to the content of the information and layout of the fields. It clearly does not apply to the background. Really folks, let it go.
KJC1, didnt someone post a graphic of your COLB for you?
if so, a re-link or repost is in order.
Or is memory playing tricks on me?
Believe yourself, as you evidently already do. Ping Jim Robinson to compel my document if you have any desire to fact-find.
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