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"...The Tedimites are not going to like this poll..."

The whole poll should be depressing for the top two GOP candidates. The following deserves some serious introspection. The candidates and their supporters ignore it at their political peril:

On which candidate they definitely would not support, 54 percent overall said they would never vote for Trump in November, while 43 percent said the same of Clinton, 33 percent for Cruz, 27 percent for Sanders and 14 percent for Kasich.
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For Trump, the results are even more absymal. The top word: "scared," with 117 separate mentions, followed by "disaster," "frightened," "terrified," horrified" and "disgusted." The first positive word for Trump, "good," was only the sixth-most frequent word mentioned by registered voters.

Trump supporters don't have much to brag about in the poll either.

“...I do have a trickle of respect for Rubio for doing the honorable thing and dropping out...”

Almost correct. He didn’t drop out - he “suspended” his campaign. He’s hoping and angling to be right smack in the middle of a brokered convention and believes he will be backed by the GOPe if that comes to pass.

“...Gee, Rubio doesn’t trust Cruz and Romney and the others plotting to get a brokered convention. I can’t for the life of me think of a reason why...”

Rubio is not agreeing to anything with anyone. He thinks he can take the nomination with the GOPe’s help in a brokered convention.

So... You are urging folks to give Trump the presidency, and then immediately gut him like a fish by “punishing” the GOP with *SUPER-MAJORITIES* of demoncraps in *both* houses of congress?

First, let’s presume Trump could win the national vote by “write-in” votes — You do realize that your scenario would in effect make Trump a lame-duck president beginning immediately after the new super-majority dem congress was sworn in, right? His veto pen would be absolutely useless. Congress would set/control the agenda 100%, create law at their leisure, fully control the nominee confirmation process - *everything*. In which case, why would it matter who the President is?

But perhaps there is something about your scheme that I’m not seeing and I’m curious as to how you justify knowingly and willfully neutering Trump from the get-go after successfully winning him the White-House through an absolutely *heroic* write-in effort.

If this is true, wouldn’t the vote counts be *wildly* out of balance with the number of voters in the precinct?

Among the sheer number of females on the face of the earth, there is probably more than a few who could pass *any* of the training under the current male standards fair and square.

However, it’s clear that those females who are capable of cutting the mustard are a rarity; they clearly aren’t interested in doing it and, if they possess that level of physical capability, they are (so far) into something other than military service (professional athletes, olympic competitors, extreme sports, whatever).

It will be sickening to watch the civilian and military leadership perform all manner of rationalizing gymnastics to avoid stating the obvious: They must relax the standards until a politically correct percentage of female applicants can pass. And not just relaxed training standards — they will also likely have to threaten NJP (or worse) to prevent units who have unsat females forced upon them from placing the females in positions where they can cause the least negative impact to combat effectiveness. The PC crowd will force them to place them in positions of maximum risk to the unit’s CE.

No offense to females — there are plenty of males who can’t cut it in combat arms in each and every training cycle. There are a variety of honorable support positions where everyone can make a valuable contribution to overall mission success.

“...when a committee of Bill Clinton’s loyalest supporters will call on her and carefully but firmly demand that she face reality, to protect the Clinton legacy, etc...”

Well, we can hope.

“...Don’t post to me, or about me, any more. I’ll have to report you to the mods for ACTUAL stalking, if you do...”

Then simply stop stalking me AND replying to me and you won’t hear from me again, cupcake.

Look, I realize you have “issues” and that I have unhinged you to where you can’t control yourself, but your posting history reveals who the stalker is. It’s *you* cupcake! It is YOU who slings the personal attacks. It is *YOU* who replies to my posts. You can’t scrub your posting history either! At least quit whining to me because you can’t control yourself.

One more time, stop stalking me; stop replying to me and you won’t hear from me again, cupcake. We clear?

“...I followed you and “stalked you”...”

Exactly! And that’s *TWO* more replies to the same post where I have you so unhinged you are stalking me! Amazing, how little is required to take up full-time residence in the immature head of a trump-pet!! LOL!

I’ll bet you are checking your pings every 5 minutes to see if you need to jump after I yank your chain! Heh!

“...In theory he could have got a plurality of New York...”

I don’t think so. NY has *very* consistently polled for Clinton and Sanders, *way* ahead of any GOP challenger, to include trump (trailing Bernie “Brain-Dead” Sanders by a full 10pts).

For this election season, it appears NY will simply not be in the cards for any GOP candidate in the general election.

“...Your behavior is the type of behavior that alienates people on Free Republic. You’re just a gasbag who posts gas that means nothing in relation to the actual primary elections or the general election...”

And yet you can’t rationally refute anything anyone posts. Apparently, I’ve got you so unhinged that you’ve resorted to stalking me on FR. LOL!

“...Hillary Clinton has very little chance of being elected in November, even assuming that she somehow stays on the ballot...”

Clinton could be indicted and the vast majority of dems would *still* crawl over broken glass to cast their ballot for her. Trump and his supporters dismiss her at their peril. And I can darn well guarantee you that trump does not share your sentiment at *all* and is taking her candidacy *very* seriously.

“...I am assuming that you are smart enough to realize that the only reason that the GOPe such as Mit are currently flocking to Cruz is to try and prevent Trump from getting enough delegates to avoid a brokered convention...”

You may have misspoke — I don’t think they want to *avoid* a brokered convention, I believe the fully *desire* a brokered convention. And yes, that has been my point all along. Over and over and over and over. And I’ve been flamed for pointing it out. I have *never* asserted cruz could win it outright - quite the opposite, I have mentioned cruz and Kasich as spoilers more than a few times who’s only option at this point is to try and deny trump 1237 delegates. Yet the more rabid trump-pets can’t be bothered to read — they just start flaming when someone doesn’t lick trump’s boots with the same frantic vigor that they do.

If you, Veracious Poet, are asserting that Jim Robinson is one of the “rabid, foaming at the mouth trump-pets”, then you are sorely mistaken.

Furthermore, I am quite confident that JR is *well* aware of those rabid trump-pets who A) give trump a bad name by their childish, unprovoked personal attacks and B) he certainly doesn’t need you, Veracious Poet, trying to defend those rabid trump-pets and their personal attacks.

My point is that those rabid trump-pets, and trump, are knowingly and willfully alienating folks with their behavior and if it continues, they should not be surprised if trump finds himself arriving at the convention to find it contested or brokered, at which point you will have handed the bastards in the GOPe the opportunity to manipulate the convention and stick us with kasich.

“...Polling is merely and educated guess...”

To some extent, yes. But you ignore it at your peril.

Well, if trump and his trump-pets would simply *stop* alienating over half the GOP electorate that has so far rejected trump, preferring instead one of the other candidates, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

Does trump have a strong following? Absolutely! Driven in many cases purely by rage.

But despite his wins in the primary races so far, well over half the electorate has voted for someone else (go check the primary results for each state so far, I’m not going to post them again). The next round of primaries (or next two or three rounds) are either going to cinch it for trump -OR- push further towards a contested or brokered convention. To avoid that, trump would be well advised to start specifically courting those other voters instead of alienating them.

Make no mistake, I’m not saying cruz or kasich has a chance at 1237 delegates. But you would ignore at your peril, the more than fair chance cruz and kasich would net just enough delegates to *deny* trump 1237 — and that would be the opening the GOPe has an army of folks prepped and in the starting blocks for, just waiting for the signal.

Cue all the rabid trump-pets to start flaming me because I dared to mention their emperor may not be completely naked, but has some big frayed holes in his drawers and needs to consolidate voters and work on his negatives.

I can keep explaining it to you trump-pets, but I can’t understand it *FOR* you.

There are none so blind who refuse to see. And as I have found with rabid, foaming at the mouth trump-pets, there is nothing that infuriates them more than a stubborn truth about trump that they can not refute.

“...Rather thn scream bile at people who know this much better then you...”

It’s the trump-pets who are “screaming bile” at anyone who doesn’t lick trump’s boots with the same amount of passion they do. I certainly respond to their attacks, but I don’t throw the first personal punch - the thread illustrates that more than adequately. You making unfounded accusations, don’t make it so. And it goes to my point — why has trump been rejected by over half the electorate in primaries so far? Why do over half the voters prefer someone other than trump? Clearly, it’s his vile, venomous, invective-filled nastiness — just like his rabid trump-pets — that is likely turning those folks off. As far as trump-pets who (ahem) “know this much better than” me? Well, they certainly haven’t demonstrated that capability. One of them is so deficient, he has to tie his shoes with velcro!

“...And you know his how, exactly?...”

The primary results from each state. Go look. Don’t take *my* word for it.

“...You mean the votes that Cruz and Kasich and Rubio are getting aren’t votes FOR them, but rather they are all anti-Trump votes?...”

We can safely presume the vast majority are likely *for* them, but we can also safely presume *some* of the votes are against trump ( the same as *some* votes, no matter how few, given to trump are against Cruz, kasich, whatever). Heck, recent news had some folks, still undecided, who are agonizing over whether to vote for Sanders or Trump! Politics makes strange bedfellows...

Regardless, MY POINT, which you all keep conveniently avoiding — likely because you have no valid response to it, is that Cruz and Kasich are *not* going to get 1237 delegates, but they stand more than a fair chance of preventing trump from getting 1237 and forcing a contested or (worse) brokered convention. And if trump can’t sway over half the voters, then delegate counts *before* the convention no longer apply *after* a contested/brokered convention starts. The bastards in the GOPe will make sure the right delegate palms get greased with promises (and I wouldn’t be surprised if cold, hard cash was exchanged on the sly too) to give the election to anyone but trump. And they probabaly prefer Kasich.

Bottom line, if trump arrives at the convention with less than half the electorate, he has no mandate or claim to the nomination because you can also argue that more than half the electorate wanted someone else. Period. That is (and has been) my entire point. Try to rationalize it away at your peril. OR, you can get smart and start trying to *earn* well over half the delegates instead of alienating over half the electorate.

“...Trust me on this, JR isn’t messin’, even banhammered a 98’ FReeper, no warning either...”

JR needs to spray for childish cockroaches like kiryandil and other rabid, frothing trump-pets. I’ve made it clear time and time and time again that I’m voting against the dem in the General, regardless of who the GOP nominates, even if that is trump. I’ve already voted for Cruz in the primary.

My point, that the trump-pets keep ignoring and instead choose to wage a full-on flame war (which the message thread *clearly* shows they sling mud first, I merely respond to it), is that Cruz or Kasich are BESIDE the point, which is that trump consistently loses over half the electorate. If you have educated yourself on “contested” vs “brokered” elections, then you are smart enough to understand what that entails for all remaining candidates at the convention. If trump can’t convince over half the electorate to pledge him over half the delegates, then he is not *entitled* to the nomination. If he wants it, he has to earn it. So far, he’s *not* earning it. He’s winning primaries in a crowded field and all that will get him is a contested primary. Righteously contested too.

JR has ample personal integrity and intellectual honesty, unlike all these rabid trump-pets. So here’s the question for you trump-pets — If trump continues to alienate over half the electorate and fails to garner the magic number, arriving at a contested and/or brokered convention, are you rabid trump-pets going to support the GOP nominee if it’s not trump? I will! JR will! Who are you going to ban now?