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I especially appreciate the patient truth teaching of daniel1212 and others. Addressing comments to stubborn refusers for the sake of lurkers and searchers who need to know.

It looks like this is another thread of the same people saying the same things. I assume that yours was a sincere question so I’d like to try for an answer. Disclosure, I am a Fundamentalist Baptist pastor in ministry for approximately fifty years.

The OP seems to think there is something obviously wrong with the idea of the perspicuity of Scripture. To a person of his mindset it is inconceivable that the Bible could mean what it says.

Contradictions? If one assumes there are any in the Bible then perspicuity is falsified. Spent some years studying every single supposed contradiction and many other so-called discrepancies alleged in the Bible. It is God’s inerrant word! Furthermore, many of the men making those allegations know they are lying.

Creation? If science falsely so-called has proven evolution and millions of years and the stories of Genesis 1-11 are myths, then the doctrine of the perspicuity of the Word is falsified. Whatever tricks you use to explain away six day creation can be used to explain away any doctrine including if you wish, the bodily resurrection of Jesus. If someone really wants to know about this subject, God has provided a wealth of resources verifying Genesis. Most people just sneer and say “Fundamentalists are anti-science” and let it go at that. The notion that Genesis chapter five has some “spiritual” “metaphorical” meaning is silly, but that is what you must say if you insist that the earth is millions of years old. If perspicuity is untrue, then anybody can make up anything so there has to be some church claiming to have the final say. All the comments in support of the OP make this very assumption.

Calvinism? The plain reading of Scripture is that Jesus died for everyone. The Calvinist doctrine of the limited atonement is the most obviously unscriptural of the five points of tulip Calvinism, and when Presbyterians define perspicuity of Scripture they are always careful to point out that the Bible doesn’t “always” mean what it seems to mean. I became a Baptist though I was saved and raised a Presbyterian, by reading Lorraine Boettner’s classic book, “The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination”. I could see for myself his folly in trying to explain away the clear meaning of 1 John 2:2.

Not only did God write the Bible, He did a good job of it!

I remember how Brits used to say something like this, “I read law at Oxford.” What they meant was they paid for a ticket to the library and spent time studying for the exam. They were literally reading law. If you could pass the test in three weeks good for you. If it took four years, well that is your business.

Thank you for your contribution here. You’re one of the good ones.

“..That is total BS...,” you said.

Same can be said about any generalization of this type. What I know of LEO training second hand (from a student/graduate of mine, and a dear friend) does not inspire confidence.

We know first hand that mag dumps are happening, and that PD spokesmen tell the citizens that “all department training protocols were followed”. We see the police surround a car in a circle and all mag dump at once and sometimes injure or kill other officers on the other side of the circle. I understand completely why this happens and it does not destroy my faith in God. My worldview does not require me to tell myself or anyone else that cops are “good” people.

“You can try to train them to use the sights, but WTSHTF they aren’t gonna do it!” they say because of the stress response which they believe to be impossible to control. Their doctrine seems to be to train people to do what they would do without the training?! Then in the debriefings they analyze the badge cameras’ and dash cameras’ footage and sure enough their belief is confirmed. (Let’s stop calling it “spray and pray” because no real prayer is involved. Maybe we should arrange to have a Chaplain pray at every shift meeting that God would help them hit something.)

Just an anecdote which doesn’t prove anything so take it FWIW. A cop was riding with his supervisor, an affirmative action type if you understand, when they got into a shootout from behind their respective cruiser doors. She had dumped three full magazines a total of over 50 rounds and he had expended over 30 rounds all without hitting anything of consequence when she demanded he pass to her his last full spare magazine. This he refused to do. The perp ran out of ammo and surrendered also without having hit anything and they made the arrest.

This supervisor wrote him up for misconduct/insubordination. It all got hushed up once the public found out, so I never heard what happened in the end if anything. I assume that it threatened the department’s affirmative action promotion policy not the white officer’s career nor even that supervisor’s career. I heard the story from someone attacking affirmative action in general. People in the community seemed satisfied to believe that the white male cop was not punished, and that was the end of it.

Around the country the citizens seem to me at least to be OK with the mag dumps, and to many people, the accusations of excessive force ring hollow when the marksmanship is so poor. I do not know if cops can be trained to hit or not, but I wish they were. Pardon my rambling, don’t know why I wanted to get that off my chest. And thanks again AlaskaErik for any correction or contradiction you can offer me.

All right again I think I must correct myself. The Senate bill was what I was reading. It gor tabled. The house bill got passed vetoed and now veto overridden to become law and it seems to allow carry at a school affiliated with a church. (Somebody help me back to my chair I ain’t doin’ so good.)
In a few days we’ll find out what the experts say about what actually is and is not legal with Christian School carry. For now I need to just shut up.

And we still cannot carry while school is in session.

I am looking now at Dwight Creech’s summary of the law and he says 5 Dimms supported original passage.

Correction: I see no names of any Dimms helping to override. Pardon my error! There were a couple of Dimm absences, maybe thats what was referred to but I now doubt it.

Correction: I am on the Gen Assembly site looking at the roll call and I see no names of any Dimms helping override. Pardon my error.

Correction: I am on the Gen Assembly site and in the roll call I see no Dimms helping override. Excuse my error.

This was a no brainer for Cooper since the churches with Christian Schools involved led the charge against him repeatedly. He can virtue signal and pay no price politically. He did not forbid other Dimms from coming over to help us. He is playing typical NC politics.

The churches that have a Christian School in connection were looked on as “educational property” by the lawmen and there was already a prosecution of a member of Gospel Light Baptist Church (so I heard TIFWIW) in Walkertown for simply having a pistol in the church parking lot on Sunday! The gen assembly here now with this override allows those churches to allow concealed carry as other churches around the state have since the last revision of the CHL law. Liberal Methodist Churches and Unitarian Universalists will still post their property against weapons.

I missed it. I searched first but oh well.

Any Pubbies side with Dimms?

No, and plenty of Dimms came over to help with this.
Please correct me anyone.

I know right?
They will provide some cover for some Democrats that stood with us. Without those Dimms no override. They also have a much better communication system and they are the ones who got word out to most of the state. So... yeah they helped.

The individual members of NCRPA are also members many of them of NRA. Whereas GOA you know will defy the NRA and go forward with lawsuits and stuff, I do not believe that NCRPA would do that in the same way. (Please correct me anyone.) Since Heller I don’t think LaPierre intimidates anyone outside of NRA/ILA anymore. The Fudds are still there at NRA but with Heller and Bruen they are keeping out of the way.

It does no harm to join the NRA, but your state organization’s activism is vital and I am going to send something to NCRPA today!

The churches that have a Christian School in connection were looked on as “educational property” by the lawmen and there was already a prosecution of a member of Gospel Light Baptist Church (so I heard TIFWIW) in Walkertown for simply having a pistol in the church parking lot on Sunday! The gen assembly here allows those churches to allow concealed carry as other churches around the state have since the last revision of the CHL law. Liberal Methodist Churches and Unitarian Universalists will still post their property against weapons.

Someone ping the banglisters please?

You are sooo right.
We have two important lessons for ourselves.
*One, we will be able to keep fighting and so make sure the bad guy is stopped even if we are wounded and later die. BTW If successful in ending the affair quickly, the better chance of getting life-saving trauma care to everyone involved in time. EMT’s do not come on the scene while the shooting is still going on!
(”I’m gonna kill more of them, than they kill of me!”)
**Two, handguns not being magic death rays we will be use every available tool and stratagem in winning and surviving the fight.
(”I put 5 rounds of .38 special through his center mass and then zigzagged outa there so I could call in that airstrike!”)

Appreciate you jmacusa on the forum and value your contribution.
Freegards!
BrianD

“...emptied the magazine...”
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Pistol wounds do not normally cause instant incapacitation except on TV. (Rifle wounds are a different matter.) There is a phenomenon called “emotional fainting” whereby a person falls down when shot because his mind has been conditioned to do so. Many folks however do not even realize that they have been wounded and so keep fighting.

A “mag dump video” is a YouTube video showing someone, almost always cops, shooting a gun empty, usually because of stress response, and sometimes also because “it took that many shots to “stop” him. Cops continue shooting until the threat stops, which we all understand and justify, but the simple fact is that it takes time for a man to bleed enough that he forgets how to fight anymore.

Read about handgun wound effectiveness at this link to the FBI paper on the subject:

https://archive.org/stream/fbi-handgun-wounding-factors-and-effectiveness/fbi-handgun-wounding-factors-and-effectiveness_djvu.txt