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Why Jews Are Better Off in the Catholic Church Than in the Jews for Jesus
Second Exodus ^ | October 29, 2002 | Martin Barrack

Posted on 10/29/2002 11:06:07 AM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 10/29/2002 11:06:07 AM PST by NYer
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To: Siobhan; american colleen; sinkspur; livius; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; ...
By far, one of the greatest defenses of the catholic church ... by a Jewish convert, no less.
2 posted on 10/29/2002 11:07:26 AM PST by NYer
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angelo, I would LOVE to hear what you have to say about this being a former Catholic who is now an Orthodox Jew:)
3 posted on 10/29/2002 11:18:48 AM PST by Frumanchu
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To: angelo
Oh, angelo, you might be needed over here. :)

BigMack

4 posted on 10/29/2002 11:19:02 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Frumanchu
Funny, you and I where thinking the same thing. :)

BigMack

5 posted on 10/29/2002 11:20:10 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; Frumanchu
When did you both take up speed reading? There is no way you could have read the entire post.
6 posted on 10/29/2002 11:23:34 AM PST by NYer
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To: NYer
Didn't have to. Scanned through pretty quickly. I've heard it all before. This article has very little to do with selling Catholicism to Jews and a lot to do with defending it against Protestantism. Same stuff, different thread :)
7 posted on 10/29/2002 11:25:41 AM PST by Frumanchu
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Bumping big time. I used to donate to JFJ in my "evangelical" days...They have a book called "Christ in the Passover" that is really worth a read. Amazing that they couldn't make the ultimate jump to the Catholic faith from that research.
8 posted on 10/29/2002 11:30:53 AM PST by redhead
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angelo, I would LOVE to hear what you have to say about this being a former Catholic who is now an Orthodox Jew

Fine,let him pontificate on this as well.

Edith Stein.

Edith Stein was born on October 12, 1891 in Breslau (Germany), now Wroclaw, Poland. She died on August 9, 1942 in Auschwitz, Poland.

Born into an Orthodox Jewish family, Edith Stein renounced her faith in 1904 and became an atheist. As a student at the University of Gottingen, she became acquainted with Edmund Husserl and became interested in his philosophy. When Husserl moved tot the University of Freiburg, he asked Edith Stein to join him there as his assistant. She received her doctorate in leading philosophers.

At Gottingen she first came into contact with Roman Catholicism. Attracted to this faith, Edith Stein returned on a holiday in 1921 to Breslau, where her profound encounter with the autobiography of the mystic St. Theresa of Avila caused her swift conversion. She was baptized on January 1, 1922, and gave up her assistantship with Husserl to teach at a Dominican girls' school in Speyer (1922 - 1932). While at Speyer she translated St Thomas Aquinas' De veritate (On Truth) and familiarized herself with Roman Catholic philosophy in general. In 1932 she became a lecturer at the Institute for Pedagogy at Munster but, because of anti-semitic legislation passed by the Nazi government, was forced to resign the post in 1933.

In 1934 she entered the Carmelite convent at Cologne, taking the religious name Teresa Benedicta of the Cross. There she completed her metaphysical work 'Endliches und ewiges Sein', an attempt to synthesize the diverse philosophies of Aquinas and Husserl.

In 1938, with the Nazi threat growing, she was transferred to the Carmelite convent at Echt in the Netherlands. There she wrote her important treatise 'Studie uber Joannes a Cruce: Kruezeswissenschaft'. Removal from Germany, however, proved insufficient to ensure her safety. On July 26, 1942 Adolf Hitler ordered the arrest of all non-Aryan Roman Catholics. With her sister Rosa, also a convert, Edith Stein was seized by the Gestapo and shipped to the concentration camp at Auschwitz. Survivors of the death camp testified that she helped all other sufferers with great compassion. On August 9, 1942 she was sent to the gas chamber, where she died with her sister.

On May 1, 1987 she was beatified by Pope John Paul II.

9 posted on 10/29/2002 11:35:34 AM PST by Codie
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To: redhead
Amazing that they couldn't make the ultimate jump to the Catholic faith from that research.

I found the following information most interesting. This is from Marty's own web site: http://www.secondexodus.com, where he is describing his book.

Then it takes the reader for an exciting visit to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as the re-presented Final Sacrifice, the fulfillment of the ancient Jewish sacrifices. It observes that the Catholic priest is the counterpart not of the rabbi but of the ancient Jewish priest. The deacon is the rabbi's counterpart.

The Concluding Rite of the Mass establishes its continuity with the ancient Jewish Todah sacrifice. The seventy elders who went up with Moses to see God offered the Todah: Ex 24:11 "They beheld God, and ate and drank." Twelve centuries later, twelve apostles beheld God, and ate and drank as Jesus prepared to offer His Todah sacrifice: Lk 22:19 "He took bread, and when He had given thanks He broke it…" From the beginning, Christ's Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity has been called Holy Eucharist (Greek: eucharistia, thanksgiving.) Every time we participate in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the last words we speak are Todah l'Adonai, "Thanks be to God."

10 posted on 10/29/2002 11:37:19 AM PST by NYer
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BIG TIME PING HERE FOLKS!!!
11 posted on 10/29/2002 11:38:11 AM PST by Polycarp
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This is a beautiful post, thanks for the ping. An Excellent Catholic Apologist as well, it was a great read, should create some interesting debate, too bad I won't be able to take part (MIDTERMS!!!!!!!!!!). Anyway, God Bless and everybody have fun and behave. God Bless

Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit
12 posted on 10/29/2002 11:50:45 AM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat
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To: NYer
Thanks very much for the flag.
13 posted on 10/29/2002 12:20:00 PM PST by Askel5
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Huh???
14 posted on 10/29/2002 12:20:50 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: NYer
Great article.
15 posted on 10/29/2002 12:26:10 PM PST by Askel5
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angelo, I would LOVE to hear what you have to say about this being a former Catholic who is now an Orthodox Jew:)

I'm not an Orthodox Jew, but I'll be happy to answer.

Jews are better off in Judaism. Period. A Jew who converts to another religion is abandoning the everlasting Covenant God established with our people. It is irrelevent whether it is Catholicism or Protestant Christianity. It is a cause for sadness, not rejoicing.

16 posted on 10/29/2002 12:34:39 PM PST by malakhi
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The new and true Israel can only be the Church with deep Jewish roots that began when blood and water flowed from Christ’s side, when the Apostles could celebrate the Sacrament of Christ’s Body and Blood as He had commanded, began teaching when the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles, and survived twenty centuries while all else around it rose and fell, as the Jewish people have survived amid the tides of time, one continuous stream of salvation history.
17 posted on 10/29/2002 12:43:39 PM PST by Salvation
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Same stuff, different thread

This one statement makes me doubt your sincerity to be open and read the article with an open mind and open heart.

May God bless you as you travel through today.

18 posted on 10/29/2002 12:45:16 PM PST by Salvation
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Fine,let him pontificate on this as well.

It works both ways, friend. A few notable cases, both ancient and modern.

Kenneth Cox's Story. This book description is a Catholic priest's tale of conversion to Orthodox Judaism in the early 1950's.

Turbulent Souls: A Catholic Son's Return to His Jewish Family

Ordained to Be a Jew: A Catholic Priest's Conversion to Judaism

From Catholic Nun To Orthodox Jew

Walentyn Potocki's Story. This book description records the story of a Polish priest and noble's conversion to Judaism one generation before the American Revolution. The subject sacrificed wealth and power in order to maintain his faith.

Andreas, the Archbishop of Bari (Italy) created a great stir and caused tremendous consternation within the ranks of the Church, when he converted to Orthodox Judaism in about 1094 CE.

Bodo-Eleazar's Story. This ancient transcript (ninth century), from a French Bishop, explains why he converted to Orthodox Judaism in 844 CE.

Spiritual Homecoming: A Catholic Priest's Journey to Judaism

19 posted on 10/29/2002 12:49:30 PM PST by malakhi
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It was a statement of frustration, that's all. I saw nothing new in the article apologetically and these discussions quickly become debates, then arguments, and before you know it many people who are trying to defend Christ are acting like anybody but.

I continue to weigh very seriously the claims and positions of the Roman Catholic Church. I have not yet seen anything put forth convincing enough FOR ME to make me change my mind. If at some point in the future I am convicted by the Spirit and turn the the Catholic Church, let Christ be true and me a liar...I will go. But until and unless such as that happens, I cannot help but hold to my convictions out of devotion to Him to Whom I belong.

Thank you. May He bless you as well.

20 posted on 10/29/2002 12:57:16 PM PST by Frumanchu
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