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Why Jews Are Better Off in the Catholic Church Than in the Jews for Jesus
Second Exodus ^ | October 29, 2002 | Martin Barrack

Posted on 10/29/2002 11:06:07 AM PST by NYer

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To: angelo
From one of you links.

Quiros was ordained a priest in the Franciscan Order when he was twenty-five-years old. His idealism and determination were noticed and rewarded by his Church superiors, and he rose in the Franciscan hierarchy. Through various experiences, both personal and professional, Quiros began to face his own demons and eventually the Church's as well. No longer could he align himself with the rigid judgmentalism of the Catholic Church from which he had shielded his awareness and conscience. Soon he could not restrain his desire to act on beliefs that were frowned upon by the Church: blessing unsanctioned unions, questioning authority, and "subverting" the seminarians with notions of freedom of conscience. Finally, he felt obliged to leave not only the community and the priesthood but the Catholic Church as well.

Later he met the woman who would become his life partner--Ruth Glater, a practicing Reform Jew--and began to attend her Synagogue. Only then did he comprehend Catholic anti-Semitism and he began a critical study of its roots. With his new exposure to the humanistic beliefs of Reform Judaism, Quiros became a Jew. At last he feels his life is one that unites, rather than separates, the three Abrahamic religions.

Frankly, I would not follow this priest across the street,let alone into eternity.

42 posted on 10/29/2002 2:41:37 PM PST by Codie
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To: Desdemona
"My mother may be Catholic, but she grew up in a largely Jewish neighborhood."

Hey mine too!! - she grew up in Nazareth and Jerusalem but I don't know if she ever used the word "Kvetch". (I couldn't tell you what it meant even if she did!)

Definitely with Our Lord now though - heard there was quite a celebration when she arrived. ;)
43 posted on 10/29/2002 2:45:58 PM PST by Tantumergo
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To: sandyeggo
...was baptized in the church in which the famous exorcism was performed - can't remember the name, but I've driven past it.

St. Francis Xavier. The college church. She was probably from the Central Corridor. SOmewhere.
44 posted on 10/29/2002 2:47:59 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: Codie
Frankly, I would not follow this priest across the street,let alone into eternity.

That's nice. It doesn't make the facts of Catholic conversions to Judaism "questionable", though.

45 posted on 10/29/2002 2:48:11 PM PST by malakhi
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To: angelo
It doesn't make the facts of Catholic conversions to Judaism "questionable", though.

Yes it does.I feel their reasons are questionable.

47 posted on 10/29/2002 3:15:12 PM PST by Codie
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To: NYer

48 posted on 10/29/2002 3:16:50 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Tantumergo
You guys are unbelievable - you'll be claiming that the Catholic Church was founded by a Jew next...

Constantine was Jewish? You learn something everyday.

49 posted on 10/29/2002 3:27:24 PM PST by Iowegian
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To: angelo
Maybe you should read Edith Stein's story, or listen to Rosalind Moss's conversion tape.
50 posted on 10/29/2002 3:28:32 PM PST by haole
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To: NYer
Oh brother. The Catholic church demonstrates an ignorance of Judaism in applying it's tenets, and basic terminology and Catholicism is better for Jews?! What planet is this LOL.

One doesn't need go very far to understand of which I speak.
Binding and loosing is a prime example. Jews knew for thousands of years before Christ what it meant. They still know what it means. Christians know what it means. Catholics haven't a clue beyond what they've tried to redefine it into.

So the misguided and uninformed are a better place for informed Jews to mingle amongst.. I'm dyin here.
51 posted on 10/29/2002 3:43:16 PM PST by Havoc
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To: NYer

Romans 1:17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a
righteousness that is by faith from first to last, [Or is from
faith to faith] just as it is written:
"The righteous will live by faith." [Hab. 2:4]

Galatians 3:11 Clearly no-one is justified before God by the law, because,
"The righteous will live by faith." [Hab. 2:4]

Hebrews 10:38 But my righteous one [One early manuscript But the
righteous] will live by faith
. And if he shrinks back, I will not be pleased with him." [Hab. 2:3,4]

Habakkuk 2:4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright - but the
righteous will live by his faith
- [Or faithfulness]

chuck <truth@Y'shuaHaMashiach>

52 posted on 10/29/2002 3:57:04 PM PST by Uri’el-2012
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To: RnMomof7
Salvation by one set of laws is the same as salvation by another set of laws

Read Jesus' words, Jn 6:53 "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. He who eats my bread and drinks my blood has eternal life." It certainly appears that if we do this particular thing we will have eternal life, and if we don't do it we will not.

Please answer yes or no. Did Jesus tell us to do a certain thing as best we are able, and say that if we don't do it we won't get to heaven?

Yes or No?

53 posted on 10/29/2002 4:13:15 PM PST by NYer
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To: Iowegian
Constantine was Jewish? You learn something everyday.

No. Actually the Catholic Church was founded by another Guy you may have heard of. His name was Jesus and He is the Christ foretold by the Hebrew prophets.

In other news, Constantine, under influence from his mother, St. Helena, and also the desire to shore up political support for his Empire, lifted the edict which made Christianity illegal in the Roman Empire. He himself remained a pagan and pushed the pagan religions for his Empire. He was only baptized on his deathbed and it is unclear as to whether or not it was by a Catholic Bishop or an Arian Bishop. Of course, the Catholic Church existed well beyond the bounds of the Roman Empire, and therefore any influence of Constantine in those areas.

As you probably already know, the Arian heresy was going very strong in the Eastern Empire at that time, and Constantine was not adverse to playing the Bishops of the two competing factions against one another. Being much worse for society and Christianity at that time than even the events of the Protestant Reformation era were for their time, the Council of Constantinople had to be called for clarifying the true doctrines of Christ's Church. Led by the Holy Spirit, Catholic dogma won out and the Arian heresy slowly atrophied into nothingness over the next several Centuries. But you already knew that.

54 posted on 10/29/2002 4:23:39 PM PST by TotusTuus
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To: TotusTuus
I know you like to believe that stuff they sell you, but the church you go to bears little, if any resemblance to the original church. Your denomination and it's beliefs came into being centuries later, and even since then it has changed immeasurably. This not to say that RC's cannot be members of the one true church of believers, I'm sure there are many, as there are in most so-called "churches".
55 posted on 10/29/2002 4:54:02 PM PST by Iowegian
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To: Iowegian
"the church you go to bears little, if any resemblance to the original church."

And how exactly would you know that? Got a time machine have we? Or just a 16th century imagination?
56 posted on 10/29/2002 5:28:25 PM PST by Tantumergo
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To: Iowegian; TotusTuus; NYer
Thanks for posting, NYer.

Ethical Monotheism

57 posted on 10/29/2002 5:36:56 PM PST by onedoug
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To: XeniaSt
"chuck <truth"

Don't chuck the truth its bad for you!!!
58 posted on 10/29/2002 5:40:11 PM PST by Tantumergo
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To: TotusTuus
"the Arian heresy slowly atrophied into nothingness over the next several Centuries."

Only to be resurrected in the 16th century - along with Nestorianism, Manicheeism and the rest!!
59 posted on 10/29/2002 5:45:11 PM PST by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo
And how exactly would you know that? Got a time machine have we?

Something much better, the Bible. Thanks for your reply.

60 posted on 10/29/2002 5:47:34 PM PST by Iowegian
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