Protestants - Explain "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?"

Vanity | 3/19/2015 | pgyanke

[pgyanke]

There has been an less-than-productive discussion on this thread regarding the last words of Christ on the Cross. It could be because it started with the suggestion--right in the title--that Catholics don't understand Jesus. Not a great way to initiate dialogue and ecumenism.

I would like to take a different approach here. I would like to hear my Protestant brethren explain these words of Christ from the Cross:

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

What does it mean? Why did He say it?

[Elsie]

Can you tell me where you find fault with what was posted in post #42?

Why are you ASUMMING that I found some fault there?

[Elsie]

I don’t read your long cut and pastes.

That's fine.

You're not required to.

[Elsie]

Consider for a moment... what if the Catholic Church had fallen after the 15th Century. What would Christianity look like today?

Consider for a moment... what if the Catholic Church had NOT produced the COUNTER Reformation. What would Catholicism look like today?

[Gamecock]

If you are going to post something from an outside source it only makes sense that we should be able to go check it ourselves.

After all, official Roman Catholic teaching should be easy enough for a Roman Catholic to find and post.

Not sure what the problem is, unless a poster is trying to hide something.

[pgyanke]

Consider for a moment... what if the Catholic Church had NOT produced the COUNTER Reformation. What would Catholicism look like today?

Even further... Consider that the abuses Martin Luther posted about were generally cleaned up in the next generation or so. The things we are accursed for today in the eyes of Protestants (Mary, Mass, Eucharist, et al) weren't issues for Martin Luther. Had the Church reformed before the 95 Theses, we wouldn't have the divisions we do today.

[ansel12]

When elsie shows up to destroy a thread with his massive cut and paste spam, and as many as 12 and 15 posts in a row, then I think the thread becomes unreadable and uninteresting, and not useful.

[pgyanke]

My point in posting about the Church of today is that Protestants should carefully consider that they have survived under the protective umbrella of the Catholic Church. The rapid apostasy we are seeing in the Protestant world (gay clergy and weddings are just the beginning) shows how precarious faith can be without a central teaching authority to hold firm.

[Slyfox]

The entire time Jesus was suffering His Passion he was uttering the passages in the Psalms as he was fulfilling them. The “seven words” on the Cross were the times where His verbalization of those Pslams were audible.

[pgyanke]

The entire time Jesus was suffering His Passion he was uttering the passages in the Psalms as he was fulfilling them. The “seven words” on the Cross were the times where His verbalization of those Pslams were audible.

Got a Bible citation for that?

[Slyfox]

Why must I do the work? Read the Gospel and compare what He said with what is in Psalms.

[Legatus]

Not to knock this thread into outer space, but I once asked a Presbyterian turned Jew/member of the IDF finally turned Catholic (In Jerusalem) about this and she said without pause: He was saying Tehilim as any Jewish kindergartener would know to do. I didn’t get to ask much more about that as the conversation went off in a different direction but apparently Tehilim is what Our Lord was doing from the cross. Whatever that means...

[redleghunter]

My point in posting about the Church of today is that Protestants should carefully consider that they have survived under the protective umbrella of the Catholic Church. The rapid apostasy we are seeing in the Protestant world (gay clergy and weddings are just the beginning) shows how precarious faith can be without a central teaching authority to hold firm.

I would not lean on that twig so fast. You have gay clergy as well. Also a pedophile and pederast problem. Perhaps your parish does not suffer from these scandals...As my assembly does not either.

[DocRock]

God is Holy
A Holy God cannot allow sin into His presence
Jesus took my sins upon Himself at the cross
When that happened, he could not be in the presence of God the Father
Jesus paid my sin debt when this happened
He did it for you, too!

[redleghunter]

Tehilim is what Our Lord was doing from the cross. Whatever that means...

Psalms.

[mdmathis6]

I think God the father, son and holy spirit were all one at Christ’s death, and all shared equal consciousness all at once. To the extend that the Godhood could have ceased to exist, it died there on the cross. Christ said he and the Father one...it didn’t stop being so one the cross. The ark angels who held up the throne must have strained with the grief of the father. The very elements were shaking, the skies were dark and the temple veil was ripped in two!
Christ wasn’t alone, so much the entire God head was sharing the pain of the loss of life.

When the human body itself approaches death, folks who are conscious of impending death are fearful, afraid of being alone, as the body’s flight or fight responses near exhaustion. Jesus was in the throes of such exhaustion and his cry was a human response...much like a loved one who is dying but is comforted by soothing words or a held hand. But never think he was totally alone! Christ was man and God but suffered a very human death. His cry was a natural emotional and physical response.
Yet at the very end...his final words weren’t “My God why have you forsaken me” but...”It is finished!”

[Elsie]

Had the Church reformed before the 95 Theses, we wouldn't have the divisions we do today.

BINGO!

We are not all that far apart in theology.

You Catholics are just carrying a lot of unnecessary baggage around.

[Elsie]

When elsie shows up to destroy a thread with his massive cut and paste spam, and as many as 12 and 15 posts in a row, then I think the thread becomes unreadable and uninteresting, and not useful.

Oh?

The Catholics ignore them and Protestants know them.

So that only leaves the lurkers and you.

[ansel12]

What does that even mean?

[Elsie]

When elsie shows up to destroy a thread with his massive cut and paste spam, and as many as 12 and 15 posts in a row,

Sometimes I sleep at night.

In the mornings I find a LOT of responses to a thread while I was getting my much needed beauty rest.

Which of those would you want me NOT to respond to?

I'm a fast reader; others aren't.

If they cannot slip in between my posts; is that also my fault?

[Elsie]

Whatever that means...

http://www.breslov.com/bible/Psalms.htm