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http://lifeongoldplates.blogspot.com/2008/08/bushmans-introduction-to-joseph-smith.html ^ | August 14, 2008 | Richard Bushman

Posted on 08/15/2008 1:47:27 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

August 14, 2008

Bushman's Introduction to "Joseph Smith and His Critics" Seminar

The following is Richard Bushman's introduction to the 2008 summer seminar, “Joseph Smith and His Critics,” given July 29, 2008. I also have a poor mp3 recording of the paper and in the next week or so I plan on blogging any additions Bushman made in reading the paper to the group. For my thoughts on the seminar in general, see "Preliminary Thoughts on the 2008 Bushman Seminar," and "Follow-up Thoughts on the 2008 Bushman Seminar." For notes on the presentations themselves, see Juvenile Instructor's "Notes on the 2008 Bushman Seminar," parts one and two.

Introduction
Richard Bushman

Increasingly teachers and church leaders at all levels are approached by Latter-day Saints who have lost confidence in Joseph Smith and the basic miraculous events of church history. They doubt the First Vision, the Book of Mormon, many of Joseph’s revelations, and much besides. They fall into doubt after going on the Internet and finding shocking information about Joseph Smith based on documents and facts they had never heard before. A surprising number had not known about Joseph Smith’s plural wives. They are set back by differences in the various accounts of the First Vision. They find that Egyptologists do not translate the Abraham manuscripts the way Joseph Smith did, making it appear that the Book of Abraham was a fabrication. When they come across this information in a critical book or read it on one of the innumerable critical Internet sites, they feel as if they had been introduced to a Joseph Smith and a Church history they had never known before. They undergo an experience like viewing the famous picture of a beautiful woman who in a blink of an eye turns into an old hag. Everything changes. What are they to believe?

Often church leaders, parents, and friends, do not understand the force of this alternate view. Not knowing how to respond, they react defensively. They are inclined to dismiss all the evidence as anti-Mormon or of the devil. Stop reading these things if they upset you so much, the inquirer is told. Or go back to the familiar formula: scriptures, prayer, church attendance.

The troubled person may have been doing all of these things sincerely, perhaps even desperately. He or she feels the world is falling apart. Everything these inquirers put their trust in starts to crumble. They want guidance more than ever in their lives, but they don’t seem to get it. The facts that have been presented to them challenge almost everything they believe. People affected in this way may indeed stop praying; they don’t trust the old methods because they feel betrayed by the old system. Frequently they are furious. On their missions they fervently taught people about Joseph Smith without knowing any of these negative facts. Were they taken advantage of? Was the Church trying to fool them for its own purposes?
These are deeply disturbing questions. They shake up everything. Should I stay in the Church? Should I tell my family? Should I just shut up and try to get along? Who can help me?

At this point, these questioners go off in various directions. Some give up on the Church entirely. They find another religion or, more likely these days, abandon religion altogether. Without their familiar Mormon God, they are not sure there is any God at all. They become atheist or agnostic. Some feel the restrictions they grew up with no longer apply. The strength has been drained out of tithing, the Word of Wisdom, and chastity. They partly welcome the new freedom of their agnostic condition. Now they can do anything they please without fear of breaking the old Mormon rules. The results may not be happy for them or their families.

Others piece together a morality and a spiritual attitude that stops them from declining morally, but they are not in an easy place. When they go to church, , they are not comfortable. Sunday School classes and Sacrament meeting talks about Joseph Smith and the early church no longer ring true. How can these people believe these “fairy tales,” the inquirers ask. Those who have absorbed doses of negative material live in two minds: their old church mind which now seems naive and credulous, and their new enlightened mind with its forbidden knowledge learned on the internet and from critical books.

A friend who is in this position described the mindset of the disillusioned member this way:

“Due to the process of learning, which they have gone through, these [two-minded] LDS often no longer accept the church as the only true one (with the only true priesthood authority and the only valid sacred ordinances), but they see it as a Christian church, in which good, inspired programs are found as well as failure and error. They no longer consider inspiration, spiritual and physical healing, personal and global revelation limited to the LDS church. In this context, these saints may attend other churches, too, where they might have spiritual experiences as well. They interpret their old spiritual experiences differently, understanding them as testimonies from God for them personally, as a result of their search and efforts, but these testimonies don’t necessarily have to be seen as a confirmation that the LDS church is the only true one.

“Since the social relationships between them and other ward (or stake) members suffer (avoidance, silence, even mobbing) because of their status as heretics, which is usually known via gossip, and since the extent of active involvement and range of possible callings are reduced because of their nonconformity in various areas, there is a risk that they end up leaving the church after all, because they are simply ignored by the majority of the other members.”

He then offers a recommendation: 

“It is necessary that the church not only shows more support and openness to these ‘apostates’ but also teaches and advises all members, bishops, stake presidents etc., who usually don’t know how to deal with such a situation in terms of organizational and ecclesiastical questions and – out of insecurity – fail to treat the critical member with the necessary love and respect that even a normal stranger would receive.”

Those are the words of someone who has lost belief in many of the fundamentals and is working out a new relationship to the Church. Other shaken individuals recover their belief in the basic principles and events but are never quite the same as before. Their knowledge, although no longer toxic, gives them a new perspective. They tend to be more philosophic and less dogmatic about all the stories they once enjoyed. Here are some of the characteristics of people who have passed through this ordeal but managed to revive most of their old beliefs.

1. They often say they learned the Prophet was human. They don’t expect him to be a model of perfect deportment as they once thought. He may have taken a glass of wine from time to time, or scolded his associates, or even have made business errors. They see his virtues and believe in his revelations but don’t expect perfection.

2. They also don’t believe he was led by revelation in every detail. They see him as learning gradually to be a prophet and having to feel his way at times like most Church members. In between the revelations, he was left to himself to work out the methods of complying with the Lord’s commandments. Sometimes he had to experiment until he found the right way.

3. These newly revived Latter-day Saints also develop a more philosophical attitude toward history. They come to see (like professional historians) that facts can have many interpretations. Negative facts are not necessarily as damning as they appear at first sight. Put in another context along side other facts, they do not necessarily destroy Joseph Smith’s reputation.

4. Revived Latter-day Saints focus on the good things they derive from their faith–the community of believers, the comforts of the Holy Spirit, the orientation toward the large questions of life, contact with God, moral discipline, and many others. They don’t want to abandon these good things. Starting from that point of desired belief, they are willing to give Joseph Smith and the doctrine a favorable hearing. They may not be absolutely certain about every item, but they are inclined to see the good and the true in the Church.

At the heart of this turmoil is the question of trust. Disillusioned Latter-day Saints feel their trust has been betrayed. They don’t know whom to trust. They don’t dare trust the old feelings that once were so powerful, nor do they trust church leaders. They can only trust the new knowledge they have acquired. Those who come back to the Church are inclined to trust their old feelings. Their confidence in the good things they knew before is at least partially restored. But they sort out the goodness that seems still vital from the parts that now seem no longer tenable. Knowledge not only has given them a choice, it has compelled them to choose. They have to decide what they really believe. In the end, many are more stable and convinced than before. They feel better prepared to confront criticism openly, confident they can withstand it.

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The members of the seminar on “Joseph Smith and His Critics,” a group of Religious Education and CES faculty who met at BYU for six weeks in the summer of 2008, are among those who have known Latter-day Saints in this state of confusion and doubt. We have had many opportunities to talk to questioners about their problems and admit that we have often fallen short in our answers. We came together in hopes of learning to do better. Besides gathering information on a series of specific issues, we have discussed how best to deal with questioning Saints. What way of speaking is most likely to win their trust and convince them we have their best interests at heart?

We began by agreeing that criticisms of Joseph Smith should not be dismissed as foolish or purely evil. The negative attacks that disturb first-time readers are usually based on facts, not merely prejudiced fabrications. To play down the force of the criticism, we believe, only convinces the seekers that we do not understand. We appear to be sweeping trouble under the rug. They may have been devastated by a criticism; we must show that we understand why. Consequently, the seminar took as its first principle to state the negative argument as fully and accurately as we can. We try not to minimize the difficulty or prejudice the case against the critic. In no other way can we persuade the doubters that we understand the problem.

Secondly, we try to avoid dogmatic answers. Rather than replace the dogmatic negative attacks of the critics with our own dogmatic answers, we attempt to show that a more positive interpretation is possible. Critics often claim that Joseph’s sins were so egregious as to utterly disqualify him as a prophet. We can understand their viewpoint, but we think there is another side to the story. Rather than destroy the critics, we want to loosen their grip. In the long run, we believe this approach will persuade questioners more effectively than claims to certainty where none is possible. We believe in stating our own strong convictions about the church as a whole, but we do not to pretend to perfect knowledge about complex historical questions.

We know that airing criticisms troubles many Latter-day Saints. Like most Church teachers, the members of the seminar do not want to draw attention to questions that will only unsettle faithful members. But we also feel that silence is not the answer. The absence of instruction troubles questioners more than anything. They feel they have been betrayed because they came through their Church classes ignorant of the devastating information now a few clicks away on the internet. The gaps in their education leave them disillusioned and angry.

To counteract this lack of preparation, the seminar members have taken as our motto the scripture that begins: “As all have not faith, teach one another” (D&C 88:118). We are encouraged by the scriptural recognition that not all have faith, and by the appealing remedy, “teach one another.” For many questioners, loneliness is the heart of the problems. No one seems to understand. We are enjoined by this scripture to find these seekers and bring them into a fellowship of inquiry. We hope that our papers will help Church teachers create safe havens where questions may be asked and answers explored--where we can teach one another.
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Richard L. Bushman is a Professor Emeritus of History, Columbia University, the current holder of the Howard W. Hunter visiting professorship in Mormon studies at Claremont Graduate University, and author of the recent biography Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling

 


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To: restornu
That's interesting. I remember now in his introduction about him being on leave from his calling as Patriarch in his Stake back east, since he's here for an extended period.

That's great Resty!

41 posted on 08/16/2008 12:05:40 PM PDT by sevenbak (Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on. - Job 21:3)
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To: greyfoxx39
" We are encouraged by the scriptural recognition that not all have faith"

Typical mormon psychological abuse...."Recognize" a real problem with the church and then blame that problem on the member's lack of faith.

The Cult of Guilt strikes again....Bring them in with feigned kindness under the false pretense of "understanding" so it's easier to stab us in the back.

42 posted on 08/16/2008 12:06:34 PM PDT by SENTINEL (By their works shall ye know them.....)
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To: colorcountry
LOL, by JoD standards, yes it's new.

He's pretty open with all of JS’s flaws and humanity. What did you think of it? And why would you think he would be disavowed by the Church, especially after reading his book and everything the church is doing to support him and the work he is doing?

43 posted on 08/16/2008 12:08:29 PM PDT by sevenbak (Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on. - Job 21:3)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

I first thought it may have been a mis-print for SNUbbing; then decided - heck; look it up just in case.

We’ve both learned something new!

aIN
t the ‘net wunnerful!! ;^)


44 posted on 08/16/2008 12:15:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DeLaVerdad
I gladly pick him over those clinging to false doctrine, no matter what the cost.

Amen, Brother!



NIV Titus 1:13-16
 13.  This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith
 14.  and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth.
 15.  To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.
 16.  They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
 

NIV 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
NIV Jude 1:3-4
 3.  Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.
 4.  For certain men whose condemnation was written about  long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

45 posted on 08/16/2008 12:20:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Are you saying Elsie you are part of the secularist?

What I said was....

"Listen to this 'teacher' who fills young minds full of mush with arrogance and pride."

(That IS the one YOU referenced on your homepage; RIGHT?)

46 posted on 08/16/2008 12:21:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

The wifey is planning vacation as we type!


47 posted on 08/16/2008 12:22:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

In ZION NP?


48 posted on 08/16/2008 12:22:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

Wonderful!


49 posted on 08/16/2008 1:14:48 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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To: Elsie

Zion it is. How come they got to name it?


50 posted on 08/16/2008 2:50:20 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where McCain needs to come for public speaking lessons!)
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To: sevenbak
And why would you think he would be disavowed by the Church, especially after reading his book and everything the church is doing to support him and the work he is doing?

What, in your opinion, is the reason the church is supporting him?

51 posted on 08/16/2008 3:31:34 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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To: Elsie

“Listen to this ‘teacher’ who fills young minds full of mush with arrogance and pride.”

As LDS the one filling my mind is the Holy Spirit teachers can lead but the drinking is in the Spirit of the Lord.

Those who have a desire to learn and know the things of the Lord are the ones who received a witness of the Holy Ghost

When that occurs it has nothing to do with how the world preceives so arrogance and pride has no presents.

Each LDS is responsible for the all their action and knowledge that they gain in this life.

Like the Ten Virgins and the oil in their lamps, it can not be bought at your local gas station or school of higher learning.

So when this statement is made

“We really aren’t obligated to answer everyone’s questions...”

“You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you.”

It is all the time spent one on one with the Lord in study and prayer.

The LDS lessons have always been on those counsel in the Bible

COME FOLLOW ME

Matt. 16: 24
24 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow dme.

Matt. 19: 21
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Mark 8: 34
34 ¶ And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Mark 10: 21
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Luke 9: 23
23 ¶ And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his across daily, and bfollow me.

Luke 18: 22
22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the apoor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

John 21: 22
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he atarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

*****

and also Jesus said “LEARN OF ME”

Matt. 9: 13
13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Matt. 11: 29
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

John 6: 45
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.


52 posted on 08/16/2008 8:22:47 PM PDT by restornu (Here comes that feeling again my heart still yearn for what my mind wonÂ’t accept Investigator)
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To: restornu
“We really aren’t obligated to answer everyone’s questions...”

That's because they can't.

They might BELIEVE that they know more about stuff; but they find out real quick they were fooled by the smooth talking professor when a knowledgable Christian starts asking them questions.

53 posted on 08/16/2008 9:19:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
“We really aren’t obligated to answer everyone’s questions...”

That's because they can't.

They might BELIEVE that they know more about stuff; but they find out real quick they were fooled by the smooth talking professor when a knowledgable Christian starts asking them questions.

***

We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's fomenter question!:)

54 posted on 08/16/2008 10:24:54 PM PDT by restornu (Here comes that feeling again my heart still yearn for what my mind wonÂ’t accept Investigator)
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To: restornu
We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's fomenter question!:)

Thank you for admitting that the LDS Organization® does NOT have all the answers.


Have a great day with your friends and associates.

55 posted on 08/17/2008 4:40:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; restornu
You missed the best part...

Those who have a desire to learn and know the things of the Lord are the ones who received a witness of the Holy Ghost

When that occurs it has nothing to do with how the world preceives so arrogance and pride has no presents.

About a rant from a leader who is PREACHING "arrogance and pride".

And from someone who consistently brags that the LDS is "God's church".

LOL!

56 posted on 08/17/2008 6:05:41 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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To: greyfoxx39
About a rant from a leader who is PREACHING "arrogance and pride".

And from someone who consistently brags that the LDS is "God's church".

LOL!

Please don't imply, mind read or put words in my mouth that are not there greyfoxx39

Those who have a desire to learn and know the things of the Lord are the ones who received a witness of the Holy Ghost

There are children of God who have a desire to learn and know the things of the Lord.

Yes I was one of the mainstream who was seeking for 18 years and found the things which are spoken in the Bible.

I am sure there will be more seekers as they awake and see many things which were written in the scriptures are not present nor being practiced today and want to know why!

57 posted on 08/17/2008 7:29:19 AM PDT by restornu (Here comes that feeling again my heart still yearn for what my mind wonÂ’t accept Investigator)
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To: Elsie
We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's fomenter question!:) Thank you for admitting that the LDS Organization® does NOT have all the answers.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Have a great day with your friends and associates.

You are welcome and those who have a sincere desire will receive answers.

Sadly the spirit of the fomenter in that state is incapable of receiving

58 posted on 08/17/2008 7:34:15 AM PDT by restornu (Here comes that feeling again my heart still yearn for what my mind wonÂ’t accept Investigator)
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To: greyfoxx39

Why not, he is a renounced academic scholar teaching in one of the most prestigious universities in the world, and sharing incredibly insightful information about the very real, fallible, human being that Joseph Smith was, as all prophets throughout time have been. Only one person was ever perfect, and he lived 2000 years ago, yet lives today!

You folks think he will be excommunicated for sharing that stuff, quite the contrary.


59 posted on 08/17/2008 11:02:31 AM PDT by sevenbak (Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on. - Job 21:3)
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To: Utah Binger
Zion it is. How come they got to name it?

They found and farmed it, outside of Native Americans who had their own name for it.

Actually, when it was first made a national monument, the US Government called it by it's Indian name, Mukuntuweap National Park.

The Government later changed it to Zion National Park.

Perfect name, it's a biblical word meaning a place of peace and refuge or sanctuary.

Would you rather it be Mukuntuweap?

60 posted on 08/17/2008 11:07:31 AM PDT by sevenbak (Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on. - Job 21:3)
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