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http://lifeongoldplates.blogspot.com/2008/08/bushmans-introduction-to-joseph-smith.html ^ | August 14, 2008 | Richard Bushman

Posted on 08/15/2008 1:47:27 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

August 14, 2008

Bushman's Introduction to "Joseph Smith and His Critics" Seminar

The following is Richard Bushman's introduction to the 2008 summer seminar, “Joseph Smith and His Critics,” given July 29, 2008. I also have a poor mp3 recording of the paper and in the next week or so I plan on blogging any additions Bushman made in reading the paper to the group. For my thoughts on the seminar in general, see "Preliminary Thoughts on the 2008 Bushman Seminar," and "Follow-up Thoughts on the 2008 Bushman Seminar." For notes on the presentations themselves, see Juvenile Instructor's "Notes on the 2008 Bushman Seminar," parts one and two.

Introduction
Richard Bushman

Increasingly teachers and church leaders at all levels are approached by Latter-day Saints who have lost confidence in Joseph Smith and the basic miraculous events of church history. They doubt the First Vision, the Book of Mormon, many of Joseph’s revelations, and much besides. They fall into doubt after going on the Internet and finding shocking information about Joseph Smith based on documents and facts they had never heard before. A surprising number had not known about Joseph Smith’s plural wives. They are set back by differences in the various accounts of the First Vision. They find that Egyptologists do not translate the Abraham manuscripts the way Joseph Smith did, making it appear that the Book of Abraham was a fabrication. When they come across this information in a critical book or read it on one of the innumerable critical Internet sites, they feel as if they had been introduced to a Joseph Smith and a Church history they had never known before. They undergo an experience like viewing the famous picture of a beautiful woman who in a blink of an eye turns into an old hag. Everything changes. What are they to believe?

Often church leaders, parents, and friends, do not understand the force of this alternate view. Not knowing how to respond, they react defensively. They are inclined to dismiss all the evidence as anti-Mormon or of the devil. Stop reading these things if they upset you so much, the inquirer is told. Or go back to the familiar formula: scriptures, prayer, church attendance.

The troubled person may have been doing all of these things sincerely, perhaps even desperately. He or she feels the world is falling apart. Everything these inquirers put their trust in starts to crumble. They want guidance more than ever in their lives, but they don’t seem to get it. The facts that have been presented to them challenge almost everything they believe. People affected in this way may indeed stop praying; they don’t trust the old methods because they feel betrayed by the old system. Frequently they are furious. On their missions they fervently taught people about Joseph Smith without knowing any of these negative facts. Were they taken advantage of? Was the Church trying to fool them for its own purposes?
These are deeply disturbing questions. They shake up everything. Should I stay in the Church? Should I tell my family? Should I just shut up and try to get along? Who can help me?

At this point, these questioners go off in various directions. Some give up on the Church entirely. They find another religion or, more likely these days, abandon religion altogether. Without their familiar Mormon God, they are not sure there is any God at all. They become atheist or agnostic. Some feel the restrictions they grew up with no longer apply. The strength has been drained out of tithing, the Word of Wisdom, and chastity. They partly welcome the new freedom of their agnostic condition. Now they can do anything they please without fear of breaking the old Mormon rules. The results may not be happy for them or their families.

Others piece together a morality and a spiritual attitude that stops them from declining morally, but they are not in an easy place. When they go to church, , they are not comfortable. Sunday School classes and Sacrament meeting talks about Joseph Smith and the early church no longer ring true. How can these people believe these “fairy tales,” the inquirers ask. Those who have absorbed doses of negative material live in two minds: their old church mind which now seems naive and credulous, and their new enlightened mind with its forbidden knowledge learned on the internet and from critical books.

A friend who is in this position described the mindset of the disillusioned member this way:

“Due to the process of learning, which they have gone through, these [two-minded] LDS often no longer accept the church as the only true one (with the only true priesthood authority and the only valid sacred ordinances), but they see it as a Christian church, in which good, inspired programs are found as well as failure and error. They no longer consider inspiration, spiritual and physical healing, personal and global revelation limited to the LDS church. In this context, these saints may attend other churches, too, where they might have spiritual experiences as well. They interpret their old spiritual experiences differently, understanding them as testimonies from God for them personally, as a result of their search and efforts, but these testimonies don’t necessarily have to be seen as a confirmation that the LDS church is the only true one.

“Since the social relationships between them and other ward (or stake) members suffer (avoidance, silence, even mobbing) because of their status as heretics, which is usually known via gossip, and since the extent of active involvement and range of possible callings are reduced because of their nonconformity in various areas, there is a risk that they end up leaving the church after all, because they are simply ignored by the majority of the other members.”

He then offers a recommendation: 

“It is necessary that the church not only shows more support and openness to these ‘apostates’ but also teaches and advises all members, bishops, stake presidents etc., who usually don’t know how to deal with such a situation in terms of organizational and ecclesiastical questions and – out of insecurity – fail to treat the critical member with the necessary love and respect that even a normal stranger would receive.”

Those are the words of someone who has lost belief in many of the fundamentals and is working out a new relationship to the Church. Other shaken individuals recover their belief in the basic principles and events but are never quite the same as before. Their knowledge, although no longer toxic, gives them a new perspective. They tend to be more philosophic and less dogmatic about all the stories they once enjoyed. Here are some of the characteristics of people who have passed through this ordeal but managed to revive most of their old beliefs.

1. They often say they learned the Prophet was human. They don’t expect him to be a model of perfect deportment as they once thought. He may have taken a glass of wine from time to time, or scolded his associates, or even have made business errors. They see his virtues and believe in his revelations but don’t expect perfection.

2. They also don’t believe he was led by revelation in every detail. They see him as learning gradually to be a prophet and having to feel his way at times like most Church members. In between the revelations, he was left to himself to work out the methods of complying with the Lord’s commandments. Sometimes he had to experiment until he found the right way.

3. These newly revived Latter-day Saints also develop a more philosophical attitude toward history. They come to see (like professional historians) that facts can have many interpretations. Negative facts are not necessarily as damning as they appear at first sight. Put in another context along side other facts, they do not necessarily destroy Joseph Smith’s reputation.

4. Revived Latter-day Saints focus on the good things they derive from their faith–the community of believers, the comforts of the Holy Spirit, the orientation toward the large questions of life, contact with God, moral discipline, and many others. They don’t want to abandon these good things. Starting from that point of desired belief, they are willing to give Joseph Smith and the doctrine a favorable hearing. They may not be absolutely certain about every item, but they are inclined to see the good and the true in the Church.

At the heart of this turmoil is the question of trust. Disillusioned Latter-day Saints feel their trust has been betrayed. They don’t know whom to trust. They don’t dare trust the old feelings that once were so powerful, nor do they trust church leaders. They can only trust the new knowledge they have acquired. Those who come back to the Church are inclined to trust their old feelings. Their confidence in the good things they knew before is at least partially restored. But they sort out the goodness that seems still vital from the parts that now seem no longer tenable. Knowledge not only has given them a choice, it has compelled them to choose. They have to decide what they really believe. In the end, many are more stable and convinced than before. They feel better prepared to confront criticism openly, confident they can withstand it.

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The members of the seminar on “Joseph Smith and His Critics,” a group of Religious Education and CES faculty who met at BYU for six weeks in the summer of 2008, are among those who have known Latter-day Saints in this state of confusion and doubt. We have had many opportunities to talk to questioners about their problems and admit that we have often fallen short in our answers. We came together in hopes of learning to do better. Besides gathering information on a series of specific issues, we have discussed how best to deal with questioning Saints. What way of speaking is most likely to win their trust and convince them we have their best interests at heart?

We began by agreeing that criticisms of Joseph Smith should not be dismissed as foolish or purely evil. The negative attacks that disturb first-time readers are usually based on facts, not merely prejudiced fabrications. To play down the force of the criticism, we believe, only convinces the seekers that we do not understand. We appear to be sweeping trouble under the rug. They may have been devastated by a criticism; we must show that we understand why. Consequently, the seminar took as its first principle to state the negative argument as fully and accurately as we can. We try not to minimize the difficulty or prejudice the case against the critic. In no other way can we persuade the doubters that we understand the problem.

Secondly, we try to avoid dogmatic answers. Rather than replace the dogmatic negative attacks of the critics with our own dogmatic answers, we attempt to show that a more positive interpretation is possible. Critics often claim that Joseph’s sins were so egregious as to utterly disqualify him as a prophet. We can understand their viewpoint, but we think there is another side to the story. Rather than destroy the critics, we want to loosen their grip. In the long run, we believe this approach will persuade questioners more effectively than claims to certainty where none is possible. We believe in stating our own strong convictions about the church as a whole, but we do not to pretend to perfect knowledge about complex historical questions.

We know that airing criticisms troubles many Latter-day Saints. Like most Church teachers, the members of the seminar do not want to draw attention to questions that will only unsettle faithful members. But we also feel that silence is not the answer. The absence of instruction troubles questioners more than anything. They feel they have been betrayed because they came through their Church classes ignorant of the devastating information now a few clicks away on the internet. The gaps in their education leave them disillusioned and angry.

To counteract this lack of preparation, the seminar members have taken as our motto the scripture that begins: “As all have not faith, teach one another” (D&C 88:118). We are encouraged by the scriptural recognition that not all have faith, and by the appealing remedy, “teach one another.” For many questioners, loneliness is the heart of the problems. No one seems to understand. We are enjoined by this scripture to find these seekers and bring them into a fellowship of inquiry. We hope that our papers will help Church teachers create safe havens where questions may be asked and answers explored--where we can teach one another.
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Richard L. Bushman is a Professor Emeritus of History, Columbia University, the current holder of the Howard W. Hunter visiting professorship in Mormon studies at Claremont Graduate University, and author of the recent biography Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling

 


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To: colorcountry

Thanks for the ping, cc. Will read and (maybe) offer my .02.

Regards


21 posted on 08/15/2008 4:59:22 PM PDT by Don Carlos (No8Do)
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks for the ping. This is very interesting. I’m going to read it again tomorrow, so I can better absorb it. This has been a long day, and I think sleep is about to overcome me.


22 posted on 08/15/2008 6:59:03 PM PDT by MagnoliaMS
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To: All

Pt. 6 Reflections on Secular Anti-Mormonism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=322B4Sq48RY


23 posted on 08/15/2008 7:24:35 PM PDT by restornu (Here comes that feeling again my heart still yearn for what my mind wonÂ’t accept Investigator)
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The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions 1, FAIR Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVAqXOvN9ag

The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions 2, FAIR Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCZXooasVkk

The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions 3, FAIR Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHF6AIgfv2s

The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions 4, FAIR Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htfKW7s70nQ

The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions 5, FAIR Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4ZqoDsrCc
The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions 6, FAIR Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXFXtyqD_A


24 posted on 08/15/2008 7:56:48 PM PDT by restornu (Here comes that feeling again my heart still yearn for what my mind wonÂ’t accept Investigator)
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks, greyfoxx.


25 posted on 08/15/2008 8:01:18 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife
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To: Zakeet

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 08/15/2008 8:33:03 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: colorcountry
I wonder if Bushman will be reprimanded, perhaps disfellowshipped. The Church will be forced to do something to staunch this hemmorage.

Bushman? Surely you jest. I just went to a "fireside" that our Stake sponsored where he spoke on these and other JS issues for 2 hours. This was 3 weeks ago, in the heart of Mormondom, and there wasn't an empty seat in the chapel, let alone the overflow, and the cultural hall had chairs all the way to the back.

He is hard to book because of similar engagements all over Utah and elsewhere. If you think the Church is trying to stifle him, think again.

May I suggest his new book to you, Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling. This biography of Joseph Smith, delving deeply into the history, warts and all, can be picked up at any Church owned Deseret Book.

You might actually enjoy it.

27 posted on 08/15/2008 10:25:21 PM PDT by sevenbak (Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on. - Job 21:3)
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To: sevenbak; Utah Girl; Grig
"LifeOnaPlate" is the name of this Bloggers site click

So I am not sure if some of this is not opinion of the blogger on Richard Bushman talk?

I have not seen the original copy!

Brother Bushman was the one who has given me my patriarch blessing (1989) an in these last few months so much of what was he spoke has manifested in my life!

28 posted on 08/16/2008 3:34:32 AM PDT by restornu (Here comes that feeling again my heart still yearn for what my mind wonÂ’t accept Investigator)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

What exactly is mobbing?

 

 According to authors Noa Davenport, Ruth Schwartz and Gail Elliott in Mobbing: Emotional Abuse in the American Workplace (Civil Society Publishing, 2004):

Mobbing is an emotional assault. It begins when an individual becomes the target of disrespectful and harmful behavior. Through innuendo, rumors, and public discrediting, a hostile environment is created in which one individual gathers others to willingly, or unwillingly, participate in continuous malevolent actions to force a person out of the workplace.

These actions escalate into abusive and terrorizing behavior. The victim feels increasingly helpless when the organization does not put a stop to the behavior or may even plan or condone it.

As a result, the individual experiences increasing distress, illness, and social misery…Resignation, termination, or early retirement—the negotiated voluntary or involuntary expulsion from the workplace—follows. For the victim, death—through illness or suicide—may be the final chapter in the mobbing story.

Financial consequences also can be a part of the mobbing; personnel reviews often are intentionally used to justify little to no salary increases or lack of retention.

 

 

From: http://www.wihe.com/printBlog.jsp?id=18929


29 posted on 08/16/2008 5:05:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Pt. 6 Reflections on Secular Anti-Mormonism
 
 
From someone's home page...


Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

31 posted on 08/16/2008 6:08:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sevenbak

Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling? Hardly a new book, I read it about two years ago.


32 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:48 AM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: colorcountry; Zakeet; Elsie; MHGinTN; Colofornian; FastCoyote; Godzilla; svcw; Enosh; ...
I have yet to see ANY dispute of the points brought forth in this article by Bushman.

The very fact of the seminar being held is quite astonishing to me.

" The members of the seminar on “Joseph Smith and His Critics,” a group of Religious Education and CES faculty who met at BYU for six weeks in the summer of 2008, are among those who have known Latter-day Saints in this state of confusion and doubt. We have had many opportunities to talk to questioners about their problems and admit that we have often fallen short in our answers. We came together in hopes of learning to do better. Besides gathering information on a series of specific issues, we have discussed how best to deal with questioning Saints. What way of speaking is most likely to win their trust and convince them we have their best interests at heart?"

33 posted on 08/16/2008 7:04:36 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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To: Elsie

Thank you, Elsie.


34 posted on 08/16/2008 7:52:06 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife
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To: greyfoxx39

So true - I used to tell friends that getting out of the Mormon church is like trying to get out of the mafia. Especially if you have LDS relatives who adhere to the blood atonement rituals of the LDS church. A friend of mine, back in the day when I worked for Exxon had kept hidden in his home a former Mormon who was fearful for his life and who had other Mormon relatives killed for defying “the one true church” </sarc> - if you don’t lose your life you will surely lose familial relationships (as I did). The blood atonement concern is only valid if you were actually baptized in the Mormon church. If you were not, fear not, they’ll just get baptized for you after you die in one of their baptism of the dead rituals. I cling to that verse where Jesus says that “anyone who believes in Me is your mother, father, sister, brother ...” and he also says that his word divides families. I gladly pick him over those clinging to false doctrine, no matter what the cost.


35 posted on 08/16/2008 8:06:47 AM PDT by DeLaVerdad
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To: greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Elsie; Zakeet; SENTINEL
Because of the high frequency and long duration of hostile behavior, this maltreatment results in considerable mental, psychosomatic and social misery."

Misery loves company. Come on down to the party!

36 posted on 08/16/2008 8:40:34 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where McCain needs to come for public speaking lessons!)
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To: Utah Binger; colorcountry
I spent a very enjoyable afternoon going through your email and viewing the works of several of the artists listed. Plan to do it again soon!

Wish I were able to attend the party.

A little blurb for your efforts:
The Thunderbird Foundation for the Arts Art Program for People with Special Needs is located at the Maynard Dixon Home and Studio, which is on the National Register of Historic Places in Mt. Carmel, Utah.
Link
About The Thunderbird Foundation for the Arts
Mission Statement
The Thunderbird Foundation for the Arts is a non-profit organization furthering Maynard Dixon's legacy by preserving his Utah property and educating the public about his contributions to American art through educational tours of his home, internships for working artists, workshops and artist retreats in addition to workshops and day camps for people with special needs.

6/18/08 • Camp Kostopulos at the Thunderbird Eight creative artists and their two counselors from Camp Kostopulos arrived at the Maynard Dixon Historic Site on Wednesday, June 11 from Salt Lake City.

6/18/08 • Camp Kostopulos at the Thunderbird

In 1963, Dan Kosptopulos, with the help of other community leaders, dedicated 25 acres in Emigration Canyon for the enjoyment and development of "all handicapped individuals".

You "nasty, miserable ex-mormon" you!

37 posted on 08/16/2008 9:06:18 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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To: greyfoxx39
You "nasty, miserable ex-mormon" you!

I hereby bear testimony of the truthfullness of that statement!

38 posted on 08/16/2008 9:23:57 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where McCain needs to come for public speaking lessons!)
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To: Elsie; sevenbak; Utah Girl

Are you saying Elsie you are part of the secularist?

I always thought you were anti LDS but that you still believed and committed to God

****

“You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you.”

I would hope someone who believed in the Lord would know about their faith.

The LDS lessons have always been on those counsel in the Bible

COME FOLLOW ME

Matt. 16: 24
24 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow dme.

Matt. 19: 21
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Mark 8: 34
34 ¶ And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Mark 10: 21
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Luke 9: 23
23 ¶ And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his across daily, and bfollow me.

Luke 18: 22
22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the apoor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

John 21: 22
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he atarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

*****

and also Jesus said “LEARN OF ME”

Matt. 9: 13
13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Matt. 11: 29
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

John 6: 45
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.


39 posted on 08/16/2008 10:37:26 AM PDT by restornu (Here comes that feeling again my heart still yearn for what my mind wonÂ’t accept Investigator)
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To: SENTINEL; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Elsie

"The Sentinel"

By Charles Muench

40 posted on 08/16/2008 11:49:51 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where McCain needs to come for public speaking lessons!)
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