LIMBAUGH RESIGNS FROM ESPN SHOW

[BUSHdude2000]

ESPN REPORTING!

[TrappedInLiberalHell]

But I don't like to hear rush claim that the only reason McNabb is popular is because he is black.

Good, because he didn't say that. Your paraphrasing shows an agenda. Rush said McNabb is OVERRATED BY THE MEDIA because he is black. He said NOTHING about McNabb's popularity, which, I would imagine, is determined by the fans. One can even be POPULAR with the media while STILL being overrated. They're not even the same thing. Heck, I'm a New York Yankees fan and I think Derek Jeter is overrated as a shortstop (though great in other ways). But he is popular with me. See how it works?

[SengirV]

It's getting late. I'll look again tomorrow/look at rush's web site.

But I will try to state my arguement as simply as possible. And I'll paraphrases, just to piss you off =)

Rush said that the media is pulling for black QBs to do well. He then said that the McNabb got too much credit for the wins when it was really the defense that won their games for them. Then he said that he didn't think McNabb was that good of a QB to begin with. So I take the sum of the statements and read - I think McNabb got a lot of credit because he is black. You apparently think that is fine. I do not like that statement.

I have stated in many posts on this thread the myriad reasons why I think that is an ignorant statement. I say ignorant, because Rush doesn't even qualify for the label of stupid when it comes to McNabb, Reid's horrible play calling in the NFCC game against the bucs and the two losses this year, and Reid's horrible moves as GM.

In four weeks on the program Rush has brought up the race issue two times. If anyone has a problem with race, apparently it is Rush.

Good night. I'm outta here, and hopefully will never return to this thread.

[SengirV]

I should not have said 'popular'. I should have said 'gets credit'. I will endeavor to never make a mistake at 3AM again.

[TrappedInLiberalHell]

Sorry to get snippy. I just took issue with your broad generalization that we 'all' knew Rush was over the line. I'm sure you meant something like 'I think if you saw things as I do you'd agree Rush was over the line'. I'm just very upset about this. I don't get angry easily on the forum. I've written long replies at times being frank and in-your-face, then decided not to send them. You're actually one of the more rational posters with whom I disagree, so sorry if you bore my ire in that post. Conservatives really need to stick together on this issue, even if we disagree on whether Rush was over the line. Very few of us seem to believe he is a racist, for which I am very happy.

[Fledermaus]

Good night. I'm outta here, and hopefully will never return to this thread.

I agree, and am hopeful you won't return. Your thoughts are not very well organized. You yourself said the black coaches hiring story was fair game and then used it to say "Rush has a problem with race".

Have fun volunteering for the Hillary for President campaign...some great spin.

[TrappedInLiberalHell]

He implied that he was getting credit because he is black.

He implied that he was getting extra credit because he is black. Makes a huge difference.

[ClancyJ]

Well I for one am awfully tired of the PC police, the racial baiting by the blacks who are using words to ruin people.

How come more are not offended that some in our society have put themselves in place as our speech wardens, who are taking away our freedom of speech and wielding this speech hammer same as Jesse Jackson wielded his bribery against corporations?

If the blacks want equality - they will get equality period. Yet, I feel many are not seeking equality but are seeking power revenge, seeking aid for whatever paid for by others and while receiving this aid, telling us we cannot speak except as they say we can speak.

Time to put a stop to this IMHO.

[dwd1]

Actually, it is the broad generalizations that offend most... I apologize for that... This is the mistake he made... Doesn't make him a racist and doesn't make me one either...

As I said in another post, he has created an environment where maybe this could be discussed.... I would love to see him and those with a different view get on any sports network and discuss this issue...Gloves on or off...

By the way, even if Rush Limbaugh were a racist, he has done nothing to me... And if we get past the race issue where there are so many other problems to deal with, he has a view that I tend to accept and aspire to...

Thank you for the discussion....

[ClancyJ]

His big mouth cost him a dream.

Do you mean he does not have freedom of speech - only blacks and libs do?

It amazes me - we are to accept NAMBLA and man-child sex, we are to accept the murder of infants just before they are born, we are to accept absolute amoral trash for entertainment, we are to accept leaders that lie, cheat, and harm our country - yet, we are not ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A BLACK PERSON'S ABILITIES, THEIR STATUS IN COMPARISON TO OTHERS OR THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE THE POSITION THEY DO BECAUSE THEY USED THEIR RACE TO GET THAT POSITION.

Give me a break. I thought they wanted equality. Equality means being treated the same as others - not better than others.

Sure amazes me how easily many give up the freedom of speech that was won by the lives of soldiers dying to pay for it.

[Consort]

Do you mean he does not have freedom of speech...?

Freedom of Speech is a worthy ideal, but it will never catch on and, in fact, we are steadily moving further away from that ideal. It has been negated by other laws of the land.

Saying what you believe can get you in hot water, can inhibit your career potential, can get you ostracised, can get you fired, can get you sued, can get you labeled as a bigot / hater / intolerant / homophobe / etc, can lose you an election, can scar you for life, can turn you into a "person of interest," can get you dead,......and...it's all legal. (The "dead" part may not be legal, but it's real.)

Ask Rush or Rick Santorum if you don't believe me.

[TrappedInLiberalHell]

Sure amazes me how easily many give up the freedom of speech that was won by the lives of soldiers dying to pay for it.

I think if Rush wanted to, he could sue ESPN for forcing him out on the basis of his race. He could claim that he was discriminated against for not being a black commentator saying a white QB was overrated by the media for being white. Sure, he'd probably lose, but he might raise awareness of the free speech issues, as well as the ridiculousness of parsing Rush's words to fit a fair-minded guy into a racist hole.

Of course, Rush probably has too much class (and pride) to go that route. It would be fun to watch, though.

[oleus]

c'man man, NAMBLA has nothing to do with this situation and you know it.

i was pulling for Rush on espn but that comment was out of NOWHERE...isn't Rush's team the STEELERS!?!? maybe he's upset they're putting Cordell Stewart out there as QB these past few weeks, but the MEDIA wasn't in Cordell's corner...he's black...why wasn't the media pulling for Cordell!? if rush is a steelers fan he should realize the press does not automatically pull for black qb's. cordell has been destroyed by the press...and probably rightly so.

and not to mention Donovan McNabb is a nice as hell guy. i just think Rush should have chosen a better time to make a "media commentary". yeah McNabb sucked this year but c'mon!

sorry to see this all happen. but glad to see Rush take responsibility....i just hope some of you non-football fans can realize how wrong Rush was.

[Exigence]

In four weeks on the program Rush has brought up the race issue two times.

And I hear it brought up at least once every single day on any number of ESPN radio broadcasts by other commentators. It's a big issue in sports right now. If -- and I suspect there's no chance you have -- but if you want to defend your statement as having any meaning, you'd better be able to demonstrate that his discussion of the topic is an anomaly and no other commentators are discussing it. Otherwise your point is meaningless, illogical, and comes close to the "racist baiting" that those on the left always want to hang on anyone causcasian that dares to notice that race is ever a legitimate topic of discussion.

[Exigence]

Of course, Rush probably has too much class (and pride) to go that route.

Exactly. Also, it may be the case of winning a battle but losing the war. This is a skirmish. Let's see how the war plays out.

In the end, we have the real power. If enough of us stop watching ESPN, that sends a message. But, how many conservatives put their football before their principles?

[nicksaunt]

"...story about drugs and he has to focus on that. So get rid of the outlying BS, and concentrate on the central issue."

I completely agree with this statement. Sometimes in life we have to pick our battles, and Rush's resignation from the ESPN gig was the right thing to do for he and Marta.

The ESPN job and controversy PALE IN COMPARISON with the allegations made by this maid and being published in the National Enquirer this week. I don't know if there is any truth to the story, ( I pray there isn't), but the focus needs to be first and foremost in dealing with this drug allegation situation.

There is too much on the line for Rush...reputation, career, livelihood. Rush must also know that this also effects his millions of loyal viewers who listen to him every day.

Even if none of what she says is true, Rush will have the battle of his life to overcome the stigma of what already has been published and discussed. These allegations are very serious business. This side ESPN gig regardless of the controversy is not worth taking his eye off the ball.

The truth most always comes out at the end, we have to just wait and see what it is. I pray that he and Marta have the strength and wisdom to handle what's up ahead. They most certainly have my support.

[oleus]

but still, you should pick your battles, right? i don't think rush was smart about this at all....now all he's going to be remembered for with black NFL fans is knocking McNabb and also mentioning his race. that's NOT RIGHT when you have the chance rush had.

on the air over the years he had so many smarter insights on football...SO smart, in fact, people always called up mad because he wasn't talking politics. i'm just really disappointed he said those things because they were stupid AND NOT ACCURATE!!! sure mcnabb is bad this year but the reason the press still "likes" mcnabb has nothing to do with race, all to do with ABILITY!!!!!!!.

i thought rush was going to use that forum to "reach out", i guess i'm unrealistic.

[Exigence]

on the air over the years he had so many smarter insights on football...SO smart, in fact, people always called up mad because he wasn't talking politics. i'm just really disappointed he said those things because they were stupid AND NOT ACCURATE!!! sure mcnabb is bad this year but the reason the press still "likes" mcnabb has nothing to do with race, all to do with ABILITY!!!!!!!.

I've listened to Rush's comments several times now. He wasn't the only one that said them, even that day. His point is a valid one. If he is on ESPN and can't state his opinion, which has merit despite your rush to dismiss it, than what have any of us gained?

I'm sick of race being the third rail for conservatives. ESPN radio hosts prattle on constantly about the effects of race on sports and the controversies associated with the same. To suggest that the topic is only tabboo to those identified as political conservatives -- to the Rush Limbaughs of the world -- is pure hypocrisy... at least in my book.

I guess we disagree...

[LongsforReagan]

Grow up, shouldnt Rush be responsible for his own actions? How is this the "liberals" fault??

[LongsforReagan]

"Rush represents the TOP of the crop amoung republicans".

Maybe in your world. My top Republican is President Bush. Rush is an entertainer. Nothing more. Get a grip.