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Y Chromosomes Sketch New Outline of British History
NY Times ^ | May 27, 2003 | NICHOLAS WADE

Posted on 05/27/2003 3:49:55 PM PDT by Pharmboy

History books favor stories of conquest, not of continuity, so it is perhaps not surprising that many Englishmen grow up believing they are a fighting mixture of the Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Vikings and Normans who invaded Britain. The defeated Celts, by this reckoning, left their legacy only in the hinterlands of Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

A new genetic survey of Y chromosomes throughout the British Isles has revealed a very different story. The Celtic inhabitants of Britain were real survivors. Nowhere were they entirely replaced by the invaders and they survive in high proportions, often 50 percent or more, throughout the British Isles, according to a study by Dr. Cristian Capelli, Dr. David B. Goldstein and others at University College London.

The study, being reported today in Current Biology, was based on comparing Y chromosomes sampled throughout the British Isles with the invaders' Y chromosomes, as represented by the present-day descendants of the Danes, Vikings (in Norway) and Anglo-Saxons (in Schleswig-Holstein in northern Germany).

The survey began as a request from the British Broadcasting Corporation to look for genetic signatures of the Vikings in England, later broadened to include the Danes and Anglo-Saxons. Dr. Goldstein said that not enough money was available to study two other invaders, the Romans and the Normans, but that he felt that their demographic contribution had probably been small.

He assumed the original inhabitants of Britain could be represented by men living in Castlerea, in central Ireland, a region not reached by any foreign invader. In a study two years ago Dr. Goldstein and colleagues established that Y chromosomes of Celtic populations were almost identical with those of the Basques.

The Basques live in a mountainous refuge on the French-Spanish border and speak a language wholly unrelated to the Indo-European tongues that swept into Europe some 8,000 years ago, bringing the agricultural revolution of the Neolithic period. Hence they have long been regarded as likely remnants of the first modern humans to reach Europe some 30,000 years ago, during the Paleolithic.

By this chain of reasoning, the Celtic-speaking men, since genetically very close to the Basques, must also be drawn from the original Paleolithic inhabitants of Europe, and probably represent the first modern human inhabitants of Britain who settled the islands some 10,000 years ago, Dr. Goldstein said. These original Britons must later have adopted from Europe both the Celtic culture, evidence of which appears from some 3,000 years ago, and the Celtic language, which is a branch of the Indo-European language family.

Having identified Y chromosomes assumed typical of the original Britons, Dr. Goldstein and his team could assess the demographic impact of the invaders. They found that the Vikings left a heavy genetic imprint in the Orkneys, the islands off the northeast coast of Scotland, which were a center of Viking operations between A.D. 800 and 1200. Many men in York and east England carry Danish Y chromosomes. But surprisingly, there is little sign of Anglo-Saxon heritage in southern England.

"One tends to think of England as Anglo-Saxon," Dr. Goldstein said. "But we show quite clearly there was not complete replacement of existing populations by either Anglo-Saxons or Danes. It looks like the Celts did hold out."

The Y chromosome measures only the activities of men. In a survey reported two years ago, Dr. Goldstein and colleagues examined British mitochondrial DNA, a genetic element inherited through the mother. Surprisingly, the British maternal heritage turned out to be more like that of northern Europeans than British Y chromosomes are.

To explain that finding, it is not necessary to assume Britain was invaded by an army of Amazons, Dr. Goldstein said, or that the Celts had suddenly decided to replace their Celtic wives with women from the Middle East. More probably, since Celts in Britain remained in contact with those in Europe, there were continual exchanges that included women. As in many cultures, the Celtic men stayed put while women moved to their husbands' villages.

So over time, Britain's female population would gradually have become more like that of Northern Europe, Dr. Goldstein suggested.

British historians have generally emphasized the Roman and Anglo-Saxon contributions to English culture at the expense of the Celtic. A recent history of Britain, "The Isles" by Norman Davies, tried to redress the balance. The Celts were ignored, he noted, in part because no documentary histories remain, the Celts having regarded writing as a threat to their oral traditions. Generations of historians saw British history as beginning with Roman invasions of the first century A.D. and indeed identified with the Romans rather than the defeated Celts.

"So long as classical education and classical prejudices prevailed, educated Englishmen inevitably saw ancient Britain as an alien land," Dr. Davies writes. The new survey indicates that the genetic contribution of the Celts has been as much underestimated as their historical legacy.

Dr. Davies said in an interview that "traditionally, historians thought in terms of invasions: the Celts took over the islands, then the Romans, then the Anglo-Saxons."

"It now seems much more likely that the resident population doesn't change as much as thought," he continued. "The people stay put but are reculturalized by some new dominant culture."

The Y chromosome is a useful way of tracking men because it is passed unchanged from father to son, escaping the genetic shuffle between generations that affects the rest of the genome. Also, all men carry the same Y chromosome, a surprising situation derived from the fact that in the ancestral human population some men had no children or only daughters, so that in each generation some Y chromosomes disappeared until only one was left.

This one and only Y has the same sequence of DNA units in every man alive except for the occasional mutation that has cropped up every thousand years so and is then inherited by all that individuals' descendants. Geneticists can draw up family trees based on these mutations as branching points and then assign specific lineages to historic events or locations, like the entry of Neolithic farmers into Europe.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Unclassified; United Kingdom
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To: Pharmboy
IMO the first Celts (proto) to arrive in Ireland were The Tuatha de Danann who made their way from Turkey (after the flood) via Iberia to Ireland where they encountered and fought the Fomorians who (IMO) were a seafaring black race.

The Tuatha de Danann may have been related to Noah and some believe they may even be members of the Tribe Of Dan

21 posted on 05/27/2003 5:35:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: Pharmboy
I'd always understood the Celts moved to Wales from central Europe, about where Hungary is...
22 posted on 05/27/2003 6:00:59 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
English And Welsh Are Races Apart


23 posted on 05/27/2003 6:40:49 PM PDT by blam
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To: Pharmboy
the Celtic-speaking men, since genetically very close to the Basques, must also be
drawn from the original Paleolithic inhabitants of Europe, and probably represent
the first modern human inhabitants of Britain who settled the islands some 10,000 years ago,


This is just great...now I not only have to live with the knowledge that I'm
an Okie...I'm even an aborigine, no matter how white I am...
(OK, I'm laughing as I type this...)
24 posted on 05/27/2003 6:49:44 PM PDT by VOA
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To: blam
My dad's people were Welsh.
25 posted on 05/27/2003 6:53:45 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: VOA
We all come from aborigines, don't we now...just depends on where our people landed (or were chased to!)
26 posted on 05/27/2003 7:10:42 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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To: Pharmboy
We all come from aborigines, don't we now

Of course you are correct.
I've had a few laughs with friends from Australia...we talk about how Oklahoma
and Australia are alike: Home to outlaw Europeans and oppressed aborigines...

(well, not all the "aborigines" got the short end of the stick in Oklahoma...
at least the ones with oil wells and the good sense to spend the money well!)
27 posted on 05/27/2003 7:14:27 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Pharmboy
This is all beside the point, as in a few generations, all of the UK's Y chromosomes will be Pakistani or Jamaican
28 posted on 05/27/2003 7:18:17 PM PDT by quebecois
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To: Servant of the Nine
"Well, it makes a good story. If the Romans had not had internal trouble they would have conquered the Picts and the Irish wouldn't have been far behind"

Come on. Hadrian built his little wall to keep out the Picts, who were as gnats compared to the Celts, in terms of the numbers and sheer ferocity of the latter. That is to say, the Picts seem to have disappeared and the Celts, as you well know, ye shall always have with you. BTW, 95% of the Brit histories on this issue [whether or not the Romans concluded that engaging the guys with the blue war paint was a bad career move] are total rubbish. What? You accuse me of bias? My seconds will be contacting you.

29 posted on 05/27/2003 8:46:34 PM PDT by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.)
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To: blam

I'm afraid that Tribe of Dan scenario is quite impossible for the English's case. They are only of Syrian-Anatolian descent from the neolithic farmers who came to Europe from the Middle East around 10,000 years ago. They are not descended from any Jewish tribes that formed between only 3500 and 4500 years ago.


30 posted on 11/29/2004 3:07:28 PM PST by BJB
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To: Savage Beast

Farmboy, I don't get you. Most of the Vikings that came to Britain were men. The Viking-Celtic mixture in the British Isles would usually be Viking-Man and Celtic-Basque-Anatolian-(maybe)Germanic-Roman women.


31 posted on 11/29/2004 3:11:31 PM PST by BJB
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To: BJB
Maybe those babes were only half Scandinavian but nontheless yummy.

Ever notice how some of the scruffiest of men can have peachy daughters? It's an amazing trick of nature.

32 posted on 11/29/2004 3:36:26 PM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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To: BJB; SunkenCiv; Pharmboy
GGG Ping

Let's really screw with things, er? (Read this)

The Relationship Between The Basque And Ainu

33 posted on 11/29/2004 4:19:58 PM PST by blam
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To: BJB; Pharmboy; Savage Beast
Another.

Y Chromosomes Rewrite British History

34 posted on 11/29/2004 4:24:15 PM PST by blam
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To: Pharmboy

Which ones were responsible for the poor dental hygiene?


35 posted on 11/29/2004 4:35:37 PM PST by Thom Pain
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To: blam

Thanks, Blam. That was interesting. ~S


36 posted on 11/29/2004 4:40:38 PM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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To: blam

Thanks...that is very interesting.


37 posted on 11/29/2004 5:01:19 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
Thanks Pharmboy for the topic. Thanks Blam for the ping.
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38 posted on 11/29/2004 9:52:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv; Pharmboy; Land of the Irish; Siobhan

Long live the Britons!

39 posted on 11/29/2004 10:18:26 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: BJB

If I recall correctly, the Vikings brought entire families and slaves with them and established farms.


40 posted on 11/29/2004 10:27:56 PM PST by marsh2
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