Posted on 02/25/2003 4:45:26 AM PST by conservativecorner
Most Muslims, like most Mormons, have better character than their deity. Islam is the enemy of humanity, muslim and Christian alike.
When a worldview suffers catastrophic humiliation, however, the epistemological pain in incredible. The tribal shaman no longer has the dreams that guide his people, for example. A Central American tribe learned that pharmaceuticals come from warehouses, rather than Jesus -- and now are that nation's prime source of prostitutes. In 1992, I had serious conversations with thoughtful, devastated Ukrainians who'd seen their whole raison d'etre demolished, the myth that they and the Russians were slavic brothers building a scientific utopia for the benefit of grateful descendents. The opening of the archives was a psychological Chernobyl.
Can we be ready for the opportunities just around the corner, when disillusioned millions wonder what to live for?
Please name what you believe to be a lie or distortion in anything I wrote and I will be glad to either document my assertion or apologize.
By the way, I do not intend or care to influence anyone. I am providing information for those who choose to investigate it. Unfortunately, I am convinced, most will blindly go along, believing there is no danger in Islam just as many poor Jews went along believing there was no danger in Germany from the Nazis.
Most will refuse to see the danger until they are actually thrown to the ground and the knife put to their throats for their beheading, like those going on in Pakistan right now. You can watch an example of this lovely Muslim practice right here. (Be warned, very graphic, but its what Muslims do.)
My method is patience, answering questions, and a clear presentation of the truth. I cannot "bring" anyone to the truth, but I can present the truth for any who are truly seeking it.
How many have you brought to The Truth with your tactics?
I don't know what you think my intention is, but it is not deceive anyone. Listen, Islam intends to dominate the world, and it has a program to do just that, one community, and one country at a time. Wherever they have taken over they institute shari'a law. Ultimately their intentnion is that everyone is a Muslim, or if not, obeys Muslim law, or is dead. There are no other alternative in Isalm.
This is a very real danger. If current events in this country have not convinced you of that danger, than at least take a look at what is going on around the world. Please examine some of the links I have provided. How can it hurt just to check? If I'm wrong, you will have new information to combat my "distortions," but, if I'm right, don't you think you ought to know it?
I do not know how my "tactics" are working, but I hope they will at least attract the attention of some, even like you, to examine the facts that are available.
Hank
Excellent observation. That is exactly right. Kindess toward Islam is cruelty toward Muslims.
Hank
Outside of that, you offered very little of substance, and a whole lot of rhethoric.
I have examined the available facts, and stand in a completely opposite camp from yours.
I do not hate all moslems. Truth be told I probably don't hate any of them. They are mislead and ignorant fools who have been sold a lie and are dying and going to hell because of it. (kind of like most democrats)
I will however support eradicating islam to prevent these mislead ones from taking others to hell with them.
Just as all democrats are responsible for clinton (and abortion and the advance of homosexual behavior and all the rest of the democrat agenda) all moslems are responsible for terrorism. They do nothing to prevent it and they celebrate it's victories. Typical moslem thought: "I may not agree with brother mohammad flying a plane into the WTC but it's so good to see a moslem make an impact on the world (trade center)"
Until the moslems hunt down the terrorists and deprive them and their followers/supportors of life they are equally guilty of the terrorism.
Through my studies, I have found Islam to be in serious need of a Reformation. I believe that the majority of Muslims need to reject the violent and dishonest admonitions against the infidels that come from the Koran, Hadith and are encouraged and interpreted by leaders like Osama, the Whabbists and even Saddamn, if it suits Saddamn's purpose. Fanatical Islam must also be stopped from pursuing its end game of desiring the earth's inhabitants subjected to Sharia if it wants to be respected by the civilized world. If the West publically declares war on all of Islam, instead of the terrorist fanatics or Islamofacists like Osama and Saddamn, the West risks getting more of the sitting-on-the-fence Islams (which may or may not be a silent majority) to join forces with their more fanatical brethren.
Where I totally disagree with Buchanan is on his ideas that the West must stop supporting Israel and not directly take on the Islamofacists in a war situation because it might get the entire Muslim world mad and they might do mean things to us. Many Muslims already do mean things to us and are ripe for leaders who are successful against the West to rally them to do more. (Or at least give them another excuse to ghoulisly celebrate or dance in the streets whenever the West is hurt.)
My study of the Islamic cultures has taught me that Muslims admire or respect strength, not weakness and capitulation. What President Bush and PM Blair are trying to accomplish is the only way to combat the current situation. It will be costly in terms of lives and financial/diplomatic resources. But if the West kow tows to Islam in its current trend, Osama and his kind will only grow more powerful and popular because the weakling West got conned and are ripe for jihad. Combating Islamofacisim is the risk that the West must take. Not Islam, which may or may not grow up and join the modern world.
Muslims in general are not necessarily our enemy, but Islam is indeed our enemy. The distinction is crucial
Islam is not a race, it is an ideology. It is a set of beliefs about the world and how human society should be structured. Communism is another example of such an ideology.
Looking objectively at Communism, you can see that it is an objectively evil system: it brings misery and death wherever it is in control of the State. Similarly, Islam is an objectively evil system: it has the killing or enslavement of non-Muslims as the DUTY of Muslims, whenever an opportunity arises. Muslims are explicitly OBLIGATED by the Qu'ran to spread Islam by the sword. Looking at Islamicly-dominated countries, you see despotism and poverty (except where you have unearned oil wealth to temporarily hold off the inevitable).
You can have a person calling himself a Muslim who believes in freedom of religion, and tolerating other ideas. The problem is that HE IS NOT REALLY A MUSLIM according to the doctrines of Islam as laid out in the Qu'ran and Hadith
To say that every muslim is pushing for this is incorrect, only a few million of them are actively doing so. And, they are doing so in over twenty five countries around the world, including some like Egypt and Algiers that are already muslim run. You may not want to believe that we are not at war with islam, you would be naive to believe that they do not think that they are at war with us.
Flurry, why are you replying TO YOURSELF?
Did you inadventently forget which persona your browser was logged in as?
I think you're busted, here
When you are weak, take advantage of the protections of the society you live in, and work on growing more powerful
When you are stronger, start demanding to be accomodated by those around you. Demand they cease doing things that "offend" you, and create trouble for those that criticise you
When you are in control, liquidate those who oppose you, and terrorise the rest
American Muslims were in stage I, are now in stage II, and dream of stage III.
The numbers can be disputed, but they're close enough. Most of the Muslims in this country are not Arabs, by the way, and most of the Arabs in this country are not Muslims.
There have been Muslims in America since 1790.
How have they managed NOT to wage war on the US?
Let's see, 10 million versus 280 million is approximately 3.6%. The Muslim push does not really begin until they are at about 15% to 20% of the population. That is why you are beginning to see it in Europe, where they are the fastest growing portions of many country's populations.
Even with these small numbers, it is already beginning here, and the Mullahs, often sent from Saudi Arabia to speak in the Mosques, are becoming more strident and militant every day, just as they are in England. It's coming. Just watch the population numbers, and for more and more demands from the Muslim population.
Hank
"When you are weak, take advantage of the protections of the society you live in, and work on growing more powerful."
If that statement holds true, then the hijackers would have been still waiting to strike the towers.
"When you are stronger, start demanding to be accomodated by those around you. Demand they cease doing things that "offend" you, and create trouble for those that criticise you."
So, are they weak and hiding, or strong and demanding?
They can't be both.
"When you are in control, liquidate those who oppose you, and terrorise the rest."
I can post CIA info sheets on many countries in the world with predominantly Muslim populations where Christians and other religions stll exist.
"American Muslims were in stage I, are now in stage II, and dream of stage III."
What do you have to substantiate any part of that statement? Keep in mind, we are talking about American Muslims here.
"The numbers can be disputed, but they're close enough. Most of the Muslims in this country are not Arabs, by the way, and most of the Arabs in this country are not Muslims."
Which holds true for the world as well. Eighty percent of all Muslims are not Arabs, and not all Arabs are Muslims.
Declare war on Islam, and most of the fighting will be done in Indonesia and India. I don't think we would bother with sub-Saharan Africa.
"Let's see, 10 million versus 280 million is approximately 3.6%. The Muslim push does not really begin until they are at about 15% to 20% of the population."
I must have missed that memo.
BTW, you and Sauron need to sharpen up your pencils, he seems to think that they are in stage two, and you say that they are still in stage one.
We are talking about two distinct groups. The hijackers were NOT American Muslims. Different dynamics apply to them. The American Muslim community might have preferred to stay less visible a bit longer. Osama's group wanted to stir the pot a bit. They wanted to force the issue so that Muslims would be forced to choose which side they were on (and be labeled apostates if they failed to choose Osama)
"When you are in control, liquidate those who oppose you, and terrorise the rest." I can post CIA info sheets on many countries in the world with predominantly Muslim populations where Christians and other religions stll exist.
Read my statement again, paying attention to the key word "oppose".
In which Muslim country can a Christian safely stand on a street corner and preach that Mohammod was a false prophet, and that the only salvation comes through Jesus Christ?
Yes, there are Muslim countries where a Christian can survive, as long as he keeps his faith to himself, and stays inconspicuous.
Stage II is a wide stage. They are currently demanding to be accommodated in many ways, like getting a place to do their 5x prayers, demanding Muslim-proper food in prisons, protesting media airing of material that is critical of Islam. They are not (yet) planting bombs in radio stations that dare to criticize Islam.
When they are 10-15% of the population, you can expect to see more dramatic responses to being "disrespected".
"They are currently demanding to be accommodated in many ways, like getting a place to do their 5x prayers, demanding Muslim-proper food in prisons, protesting media airing of material that is critical of Islam."
You mean that they are behaving like a special interest group?
The nerve of them!
How dare they behave like Americans!
I'm sincerely sorry, and know exactly what you mean. I tried to make the warning clear and say exactly what it was going to be.
Every time I hear about another beheading in any of the Muslim countries, such as the almost weekly reports from our Pakistan, I am reminded of that horrible image. It is worse, at least for me, when I know the beheaded were women. As disturbing as it is, it makes me aware of what those glib news strories really mean, and how calloused we have become that these kinds of horrors can be reported so often, as though they were nothing more than a little misunderstandings.
I appologize again. It does go away, but maybe it shouldn't until these atrocities cease.
Hank
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