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Gene Study Identifies 5 Main Human Populations
New York Times ^ | 12-20-02 | Nicholas Wade

Posted on 12/21/2002 3:54:34 AM PST by Pharmboy

Scientists studying the DNA of 52 human groups from around the world have concluded that people belong to five principal groups corresponding to the major geographical regions of the world: Africa, Europe, Asia, Melanesia and the Americas.

The study, based on scans of the whole human genome, is the most thorough to look for patterns corresponding to major geographical regions. These regions broadly correspond with popular notions of race, the researchers said in interviews.

The researchers did not analyze genes but rather short segments of DNA known as markers, similar to those used in DNA fingerprinting tests, that have no apparent function in the body.

"What this study says is that if you look at enough markers you can identify the geographic region a person comes from," said Dr. Kenneth Kidd of Yale University, an author of the report.

The issue of race and ethnicity has forced itself to biomedical researchers' attention because human populations have different patterns of disease, and advances in decoding DNA have made it possible to try and correlate disease with genetics.

The study, published today in Science, finds that "self-reported population ancestry likely provides a suitable proxy for genetic ancestry." In other words, someone saying he is of European ancestry will have genetic similarities to other Europeans.

Using self-reported ancestry "is less expensive and less intrusive" said Dr. Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, the senior author of the study. Rather than analyzing a person's DNA, a doctor could simply ask his race or continent of origin and gain useful information about their genetic make-up.

Several scientific journal editors have said references to race should be avoided. But a leading population geneticist, Dr. Neil Risch of Stanford University, argued recently that race was a valid area of medical research because it reflects the genetic differences that arose on each continent after the ancestral human population dispersed from its African homeland.

"Neil's article was theoretical and this is the data that backs up what he said," Dr. Feldman said.

The new result is based on blood samples gathered from around the world as part of the Human Genome Diversity Project, though on a much less ambitious scale than originally intended. Dr. Feldman and his colleagues analyzed the DNA of more than 1,000 people at some 400 markers. Because the sites have no particular function, they are free to change or mutate without harming the individual, and can become quite different over the generations.

The Science authors concluded that 95 percent of the genetic variations in the human genome is found in people all over the world, as might be expected for a small ancestral population that dispersed perhaps as recently as 50,000 years ago.

But as the first human populations started reproducing independently from one another, each started to develop its own pattern of genetic differences. The five major continental groups now differ to a small degree, the Science article says, as judged by the markers. The DNA in the genes is subject to different pressures, like those of natural selection.

Similar divisions of the world's population have been implied by earlier studies based on the Y chromosome, carried by males, and on mitochondrial DNA, bequeathed through the female line. But both elements constitute a tiny fraction of the human genome and it was not clear how well they might represent the behavior of the rest of the genome.

Despite the large shared pool of genetic variation, the small number of differences allows the separate genetic history of each major group to be traced. Even though this split broadly corresponds with popular notions of race, the authors of Science article avoid using the word, referring to the genetic patterning they have found with words like "population structure" and "self-reported population ancestry."

But Dr. Feldman said the finding essentially confirmed the popular conception of race. He said precautions should be taken to make sure the new data coming out of genetic studies were not abused.

"We need to get a team of ethicists and anthropologists and some physicians together to address what the consequences of the next phase of genetic analysis is going to be," he said.

Some diseases are much commoner among some ethnic groups than others. Sickle cell anemia is common among Africans, while hemochromatosis, an iron metabolism disorder, occurs in 7.5 percent of Swedes. It can therefore be useful for a doctor to consider a patient's race in diagnosing disease. Researchers seeking the genetic variants that cause such diseases must take race into account because a mixed population may confound their studies.

The new medical interest in race and genetics has left many sociologists and anthropologists beating a different drum in their assertions that race is a cultural idea, not a biological one. The American Sociological Association, for instance, said in a recent statement that "race is a social construct" and warned of the "danger of contributing to the popular conception of race as biological."

Dr. Alan Goodman, a physical anthropologist at Hampshire College and an adviser to the association, said, "there is no biological basis for race." The clusters shown in the Science article were driven by geography, not race, he said.

But Dr. Troy Duster, a sociologist at New York University and chairman of the committee that wrote the sociologists' statement on race, said it was meant to talk about the sociological implications of classifying people by race and was not intended to discuss the genetics.

"Sociologists don't have the competence to go there," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; carletoncoon; crevolist; genetics; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; humans; multiregionalism; neandertal; pcness; races; truth
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To: PatrickHenry
And then again, the earth could be hit by an asteroid one-hundred years from now and the entire human race could be eliminated. You are absolutely right, we don't really know.
81 posted on 12/21/2002 5:52:59 PM PST by reg45
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To: FreedomCalls
Are pentagons and hexagons a different geometric form from circles?

Yes.

A circles has no/infinite straight edges. A pentagon has five.

But Greeks and Italians are not a different race from Scandinavians. To modern Americans, anyway. Plenty of people once thought otherwise. Do you see the difficulty?

82 posted on 12/21/2002 6:39:20 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: PatrickHenry
I don't think we'll see immigration going equally in all directions. I think eventually there will be an American race, though. People who look like Tiger Woods or the current Miss America.
83 posted on 12/21/2002 6:41:46 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Pharmboy
The study, based on scans of the whole human genome, is the most thorough to look for patterns corresponding to major geographical regions. These regions broadly correspond with popular notions of race, the researchers said in interviews.

I'm shocked, shocked!

84 posted on 12/21/2002 6:46:41 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: A.J.Armitage
I think eventually there will be an American race, though. People who look like Tiger Woods or the current Miss America.

Maybe. It depends on the attitudes of future generations. That's a lot less important to me than the continued existence of our soveriegnty, our Constitution, and our freedom. I don't care if the future population is orange and purple, as long as they still enjoy American civilization. If that's lost, nothing matters -- least of all what color they are.

85 posted on 12/21/2002 7:24:35 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: A.J.Armitage
Perhaps if I had used colors as races and red, yellow, and blue for the peoples would that have a made a difference? Does the fact that there are intermediary colors invalidate the existence of prime colors? Nothing in nature exists an a prime color. Everything is a variation. But the difficulty of determining if teal is more like blue or more like green does not mean that there is no true green or true blue. Determining if an individual fits one racial category or another is difficult. Like colors or certain animal species, these determinations are based on judgement and definitions. But given that, one cannot deny that there are objective and quantifiable differences between blue and yellow even though there may be intermediary forms. You cannot also deny there are objective and quantifiable differences between Scandinavians and Sub-Saharans even though some may try.

But keep in mind that those differences are of no concern to government. We should all be equal under the law. The government has no right to ask me my "race."

86 posted on 12/21/2002 7:28:21 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: FreedomCalls; All
All of this is, of course, related to the evolution issue. Creationists are always declaring that there are no "intermediate" species, as if that somehow disproves that two species have a common ancestor. But the example of human races is an interesting rebuttal to this. If (as someone earlier said) we hadn't developed ships, the races of men would eventually have remained so genetically isolated that they could have become different species, unable to breed with one another. It could have taken perhaps a thousand generations, or more, which is virtually no time, geologically speaking. And if that had happened, where would the "intermediates" be? There would be no "true" intermediate specimens, yet all the different species of humans would have been descended from common ancestors. And so it is with all the species on earth.
87 posted on 12/21/2002 7:37:21 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: muir_redwoods
"There are many ethnic groups but only one human race."

That's not so, humans are a species Homo Sapiens. Within the species, scientists have always identified three races: Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negroid. There has been some discussion about Australian aborigines being a separate (fourth) race.

88 posted on 12/21/2002 8:08:00 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: PatrickHenry
Maybe. It depends on the attitudes of future generations.

This is true, but I don't think people will start opposing intermarriage in the foreseeable future, and eventually that option won't be open to them because their some of their friends or relatives will be multiracial, and you can hardly regret the existence of your best friend.

That's a lot less important to me than the continued existence of our soveriegnty, our Constitution, and our freedom. I don't care if the future population is orange and purple, as long as they still enjoy American civilization. If that's lost, nothing matters -- least of all what color they are.

I agree.

89 posted on 12/21/2002 8:15:32 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: reg45
Races are a temporary evolutionary phenomenon based upon pre-historic geographical isolation. Now that geographical isolation has been eliminated, the trend will be back to a single more homogeneous race. Ten thousand years from now there be no distinctive races.

Absolutely correct, unless geographically isolated bands of humans exist for a few thousand years by then.

90 posted on 12/21/2002 8:17:11 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: FreedomCalls
The primary colors literally exist in the eye of the beholder. Our eyes have three types of color receptors. But the actual colors, in themselves, have nothing special about them.

Now, I'm as far from denying that Scandanavians and Nigerians exist as I am from denying that red and blue exist. But insisting that there are X number of races and everybody simply fits in his immutable category is as wrong as saying there are exactly three colors. Your own example refutes you.
91 posted on 12/21/2002 8:27:14 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Pharmboy; reg45
The world of the future will be effected by our current "cultural evolution". It is difficult to find any "true" evolutionary influence in today's world. And it is sad to think of the true evolutionary advantages that currently exist. Who has the advantatage of producing more offspring? Is it those of high intellect? Is it thos of high morals? No, sadly, the advantage goes to those who have low morals, and low intellect. All you have to know is, who is having more babies? (It ain't the Einstein's.)
92 posted on 12/21/2002 11:35:39 PM PST by error99
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To: FreedomCalls
All those shapes have clear definitions which obviously there isn't for human races or ethnicities. Maybe polygram should be substituted instead for all those shapes.

The idea of race has been mucked up too because for quite a while in the past in this country anyone with any African blood was automatically considered of that race no matter how much white they might have, now Indian tribes are defining someone as being Indian if they had one Indian great-grandparent and the rest could be anything else which works very well if you want to own a casino and I know people with more Indian blood than them who consider themselves to be Caucasian. Racial features also go away pretty quickly in just about two generations of mixing --I know people who had one black or Indian grandparent who look completely Caucasian.
93 posted on 12/22/2002 8:08:01 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FreedomCalls
You cannot also deny there are objective and quantifiable differences between Scandinavians and Sub-Saharans even though some may try.

There are ---I don't think anyone could argue that ---but the variations within a race are actually greater than those between races. A Scandinavian doesn't look much like a Sicilian. A Japanese doesn't look much like a Vietnamese or a Siberian.

94 posted on 12/22/2002 8:14:10 AM PST by FITZ
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To: DoctorMichael
Illustrates how the introduction of PC'ness into science enables some to ignore facts.

No. It comes from the science.

The PC crowd pushes differences in race and in people.

You really should keep your mouth shut when you have no idea what you are talking about.

95 posted on 12/22/2002 9:17:00 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: Pharmboy
Hmmm. So all these years our senses have been right and the PC police who wanted to deny reality were wrong.

Wonder how long before this goes down the memory hole?

96 posted on 12/22/2002 9:20:08 AM PST by neutrino
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To: mewzilla
How do these slight genetic differences constitute justification for the classification of races?

They don't. And the PC New York Times left out that part, preferring to spin their PC race difference ideology (shared here by many fake conservative parasite Freeping types).

This study said that appearance can not indicate what geographic/race traits one may have. In other words, a "black" is just as likely to have european markers and vice versa all around.

97 posted on 12/22/2002 9:22:02 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: Pharmboy
Surprising that the NY Effin' Times didn't ignore this one...

It's because this fits perfectly with the NY Times worldview (and yours as well, apparently).

It also has nothing to do with defining races in any functional way and is a major distortion.

Weird stuff. Always interesting to see people on Free Republic like you who are no different than the liberal elite in worldview.

They're leftist ideologues, what's your excuse?

98 posted on 12/22/2002 9:25:07 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: vikzilla
Coulda made 10 fold or more in a month or so a couple years back.

Still long term, but need to gain the diagnostic market -- cheap and high throughput for quick check-ups looking at just the key sequences rather than just huge data sets for scientific studies.

99 posted on 12/22/2002 9:30:50 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: bert
Stehhen J Gould must be rolling over in his Harvard grave.

He is (was) in total agreement with this. Why would you think he isn't?

100 posted on 12/22/2002 9:32:59 AM PST by tallhappy
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