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Bills could end child support payments from men who aren't biological dads
MLIVE.com ^ | The Associated Press

Posted on 12/09/2002 9:04:51 AM PST by BuddhaBoy

DETROIT (AP) -- A package of bills sitting in a state Senate committee could free men from paying child support for children they did not father.

The proposals also would penalize a mother who deceives a man into believing he is the biological father of her child.

Traverse City dentist Damon Adams is pushing legislators to vote the bills -- passed last year by the state House -- into law.

Shortly after the end of his 25-year marriage, DNA tests proved Adams was not the father of the fourth child born to he and his wife.

"It was the worst feeling I've ever had to go through in my life," he told the Detroit Free Press for a Monday story.

Adams presented the DNA evidence to a judge, but was told to continue paying child support, which amounts to more than $18,000 a year.

He said the proposed legislation is in the best interest of children, who have a right to know their medical history.

"When something like this happens, the best way to heal is for the truth to come out," he said.

But Amy Zaagman, chief of staff for the chair of the state Senate Committee on Families, Mental Health and Human Services, said the bills -- which would allow men to keep parenting time with children -- raise serious questions.

"Here's someone who had a relationship with the child, established some responsibility for the child ... yet now he doesn't want to be responsible any more but wants parenting time?" she asked. "How does that benefit the child?"

Zaagman said committee Chairwoman Sen. Beverly Hammerstrom, R-Temperance, does not oppose the bills' concept, but has legal concerns.

For example, when a man who is not married signs paternity papers, he waives his right to a DNA test. If the man has any doubts, he should raise them before signing, not years later, Zaagman said.

John Ruff, 29, of Grand Rapids, said he believed his ex-girlfriend when she told him she was pregnant with his child more than eight years ago. So he signed the paternity papers, started paying child support and scheduled visitations.

Ruff requested a DNA test only after hearing rumors that the child was not his. Like Adams, Ruff presented evidence that he was not the father to a judge. He also was told to continue paying child support.

"I hate to say it, but the whole part where I went wrong was the part where I tried to stand up and be a man and take responsibility for what I thought was my daughter," said Ruff, who added that he has not seen the child since 1998.

"I should have been a jerk and tried to protest what (my ex-girlfriend) was saying."

Meri Anne Stowe, chairwoman of the Family Law Section of the State Bar of Michigan, said she can sympathize with men in such situations, but is more concerned about the children involved.

"We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children, and we don't want to impoverish a whole class of children," Stowe said. "We have to look at the greater good."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: dna; fraud
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Some people would excuse fraud, "for the children"
1 posted on 12/09/2002 9:04:54 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: BuddhaBoy
"Here's someone who had a relationship with the child, established some responsibility for the child ... yet now he doesn't want to be responsible any more but wants parenting time?" she asked. "How does that benefit the child?"

Translation: "Money is all that matters. A relationship without ransom paid to the mother is worthless."

2 posted on 12/09/2002 9:08:15 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: BuddhaBoy
Will Danny Williams ever know his daddy?
3 posted on 12/09/2002 9:11:48 AM PST by Gary Boldwater
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Meri Anne Stowe, chairwoman of the Family Law Section of the State Bar of Michigan, said she can sympathize with men in such situations, but is more concerned about the children involved.

what b.s. Why not assign fathers at random out of the phone book? Seeing as truth and paternity have nothing to do with it?

4 posted on 12/09/2002 9:14:24 AM PST by Jack Black
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when a man who is not married signs paternity papers, he waives his right to a DNA test

This law should be changed.

5 posted on 12/09/2002 9:18:42 AM PST by Sungirl
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To: BuddhaBoy
"We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children, and we don't want to impoverish a whole class of children," Stowe said. "We have to look at the greater good." Here is a solution...Why doesn't the mother go after the REAL FATHER for money?
6 posted on 12/09/2002 9:18:46 AM PST by Portnoy
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To: BuddhaBoy
"We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children, and we don't want to impoverish a whole class of children," Stowe said. "We have to look at the greater good."

That's right, truth and justice be damned. Why not place the blame where the blame truly exists? Women who INTENTIONALLY defrauded the males into believing they were fathers should be sentenced to jail for Fraud.

7 posted on 12/09/2002 9:19:22 AM PST by Hodar
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They really should just tack on DNA testing to all the other standard tests done at the hospital when the baby is delivered.
8 posted on 12/09/2002 9:20:46 AM PST by Wolfie
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Why not assign fathers at random out of the phone book?

Who is to say that they wont in time?

The courts are saying that men should pay for children who are not theirs, so why not? This is the direction we are headed in.

This nonsense has to stop.

9 posted on 12/09/2002 9:23:31 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: Jack Black
You might be onto something here. The Federales could simply load all of the males into a database and likewise all of the 'needy' children in the country. A random selection program could be implemented and notices would go out to those selected to start mailing so much in the form of child support. What could be more democratic?
10 posted on 12/09/2002 9:23:55 AM PST by x1stcav
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To: Portnoy
Why doesn't the mother go after the REAL FATHER for money?

For the same reason that the mother committed the Fraud in the first place. THE REAL FATHER HAS NO MONEY.

It's like the old joke - "why to crooks rob banks? Because that is where the money is!"

Many women, bless them, have a thing for low-life bad boys who are usually good in the sack, but not good husband or parent material. These women usually have multiple concurrent sexual partners anyway, and they simply choose the man with the most cash to list on the Birth Certificate as father.

They could care less about the parental rights of the NATURAL father, they only care to get paid.

11 posted on 12/09/2002 9:28:07 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: Wolfie
They really should just tack on DNA testing to all the other standard tests done at the hospital when the baby is delivered.

That's 100% correct. That way, if the wrong father is listed, he can decide if he wishes to take on the role of a father. To me, it's merely a matter of INFORMED CONSENT vs fraud and deception.

12 posted on 12/09/2002 9:33:43 AM PST by Hodar
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Exactly, give the guy a chance to decide for himself. Don't wait a year and then tell him that the kid is already bonded to him and he has no choice in the matter. Might keep a few women on the up and up as well, since they'll know that the truth will come out right from the start.
13 posted on 12/09/2002 9:38:19 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Hodar
State Legislators all over the country are fighting against mandatory DNA testing like mad men.

They are trying to hide behind "the needs of children" as their reason, but the true reason that they are against it, is because they know that women commit this fraud because the biological father has no money, and THEY through state aid, are more likely to be the ones that have to pick up financial responsibility for the offspring of the felonious mother.

So, instead of punishing the criminal mother, they instead side with her to extort funds from the man of her choice for their own interests.

14 posted on 12/09/2002 9:44:12 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"Here's someone who had a relationship with the child, established some responsibility for the child ... yet now he doesn't want to be responsible any more but wants parenting time?" she asked. "How does that benefit the child

I think these men should not be held accountable by LAW for child support and that the mothers should be fined (but not jailed). On the other hand these men are the little one's "dads". Even though the men have been hurt ,it wasn't done by the children who loved and trusted them. Morally they should remain a part of the childs life, maybe even sueing for visitation or custody and child support from the biological fathers. JMO CD

15 posted on 12/09/2002 9:44:27 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: BuddhaBoy
You know, these kinds of problems wouldn't exist if men kept their zippers up and women kept their knees together, except with their spouse, of course, to whom they have committed for a LIFETIME.
16 posted on 12/09/2002 9:46:16 AM PST by MEGoody
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We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children...

Got news for you lady...the mother and her lover did that, not the cuckolded husband, not the state.

17 posted on 12/09/2002 9:47:19 AM PST by Moosilauke
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To: BuddhaBoy
For anyone who claims to be interested in the welfare of the children, I wonder if they think about the lesson that this kind of fraud teaches them; that the way to make it in this world is to rob the innocent. What a wonderful example to set.
18 posted on 12/09/2002 9:48:08 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: BuddhaBoy
After a man has a parent relationship with a child for a number of years, he finds out he's not the biological father. Does that make him any less of a father? The child who is not to blame is being punished when the father backs away from his responsibilities of being a parent. Many people adopt children and love and support adopted children. The adopted parent(s) are as much of parent(s) as the biological, even more so. I realize the men are feeling a sense of betrayal, but don't punish the child. These bills to reduce their child support will punish the child(ren) needlessly while devastating the child(ren) emotionally. What do the men think the children are feeling when the children find out that the man they considered their father is not their father nor does he want any further contact with them? I was a single parent but I knew my ex was my child's father. His financial support, even though I worked, made the difference between poverty and above poverty living.
19 posted on 12/09/2002 9:49:42 AM PST by lilylangtree
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...maybe even sueing for visitation or custody and child support from the biological fathers

But it was not the biological fathers who committed the fraud. It was the MOTHER who chose to commit fraud. It was the mother who chose to lie to her child, and to the man. It was the MOTHER who AT A MINIMUM slept with 2 men without using contraception. One man was for fun, the other was for profit.

20 posted on 12/09/2002 9:50:28 AM PST by Hodar
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