[BuddhaBoy]

Some people would excuse fraud, "for the children"

[E. Pluribus Unum]

"Here's someone who had a relationship with the child, established some responsibility for the child ... yet now he doesn't want to be responsible any more but wants parenting time?" she asked. "How does that benefit the child?"

Translation: "Money is all that matters. A relationship without ransom paid to the mother is worthless."

[Gary Boldwater]

Will Danny Williams ever know his daddy?

[Sungirl]

when a man who is not married signs paternity papers, he waives his right to a DNA test

This law should be changed.

[Portnoy]

"We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children, and we don't want to impoverish a whole class of children," Stowe said. "We have to look at the greater good." Here is a solution...Why doesn't the mother go after the REAL FATHER for money?

[Hodar]

"We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children, and we don't want to impoverish a whole class of children," Stowe said. "We have to look at the greater good."

That's right, truth and justice be damned. Why not place the blame where the blame truly exists? Women who INTENTIONALLY defrauded the males into believing they were fathers should be sentenced to jail for Fraud.

[Wolfie]

They really should just tack on DNA testing to all the other standard tests done at the hospital when the baby is delivered.

[MEGoody]

You know, these kinds of problems wouldn't exist if men kept their zippers up and women kept their knees together, except with their spouse, of course, to whom they have committed for a LIFETIME.

[Moosilauke]

We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children...

Got news for you lady...the mother and her lover did that, not the cuckolded husband, not the state.

[alpowolf]

For anyone who claims to be interested in the welfare of the children, I wonder if they think about the lesson that this kind of fraud teaches them; that the way to make it in this world is to rob the innocent. What a wonderful example to set.

[lilylangtree]

After a man has a parent relationship with a child for a number of years, he finds out he's not the biological father. Does that make him any less of a father? The child who is not to blame is being punished when the father backs away from his responsibilities of being a parent. Many people adopt children and love and support adopted children. The adopted parent(s) are as much of parent(s) as the biological, even more so. I realize the men are feeling a sense of betrayal, but don't punish the child. These bills to reduce their child support will punish the child(ren) needlessly while devastating the child(ren) emotionally. What do the men think the children are feeling when the children find out that the man they considered their father is not their father nor does he want any further contact with them? I was a single parent but I knew my ex was my child's father. His financial support, even though I worked, made the difference between poverty and above poverty living.

[Mamzelle]

This is one serious hangup you've got here. Two new threads on this subject in one day.

[Eternal_Bear]

There was a Mexican family in the neighborhood that was having a Black guy (not light at all) paying support for the daughter's child. The kicker was: the child was whiter than the mom. I didn't say nothing. Just smirked.

[Arthur McGowan]

Shortly after the end of his 25-year marriage, DNA tests proved Adams was not the father of the fourth child born to he and his wife.

A reporter who writes a sentence like this should lose Reporter-Support Payments from his empoloyer!

[quebecois]

Two points about this issue:

1) Ms Stowe says "we don't want to impoverish a whole class of children....must look to the greater good"

Perhaps Ms Stowe would then put her money where her mouth is and pay support for all of these children? After all, they are no less her children than they are the children of these deceived men.

2) What do you think that these women's groups would say if the law allowed for a cheating husband to leave his wife and stick her with support payments for the child that his new mistress is about to deliver? Somehow, I don't think that we'd be hearing all of these pathetic rationalizations that its OK to screw jilted wives if its "for the children"

[Arthur McGowan]

As long as women are allowed to kill their babies, men should have the right to "virtual abortions." All men who have fathered children should have the right, simply by signing a form, to unilaterally and irrevocably nullify all legal paternity.

[Junior]

"We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children, and we don't want to impoverish a whole class of children," Stowe said. "We have to look at the greater good."

Ahem, but the child does not receive squat from child support. It all goes to the custodial parent.

[Destructor]

"We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children, and we don't want to impoverish a whole class of children," Stowe said. "We have to look at the greater good."

The only reason that these children in question are "legitimate" is that their mothers have lied to the courts. Doesn't this constitute perjury?

[HamiltonJay]

illegitimize a whole class of children

Seems to me their mother's took care of them being illegitimate back when they were spreading their legs for someone other than their husband. I don't see how the courts can do anything more to illegitimize them... seems like "Mom" already took care of that one.

[nightdriver]

"We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children, and we don't want to impoverish a whole class of children," Stowe said. "We have to look at the greater good."

What Stowe is too myoptic to see is that these children are already illegitimized.

[crystalk]

A very good study done about 3 yrs ago by a female researcher showed that 39% of the men who had ever been delinquent or in trouble with child support...

That in 39% of the cases the child was not even theirs! She just took problem dads, not the ones that paid real regular and were OK.

Looks to me like, if the child is not theirs they somehow know or suspect it at some level, and sense it isn't really bonding to them and not their own, and next thing you know they skip paying or are late.

Whereas if it IS their own they will send the money if at all possible, even if the woman hates them and has a court ordered stay-away and has charged them with abuse and all the usual rest of nastiness.

A frightful number of men are paying for other peoples kids, gives one flew over the CUCKOO's nest a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

Other studies show that 5% of all IN wedlock births, the father is not the husband. Milkman, Mailman, etc jokes are too true to be funny any more.