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Bills could end child support payments from men who aren't biological dads
MLIVE.com ^ | The Associated Press

Posted on 12/09/2002 9:04:51 AM PST by BuddhaBoy

DETROIT (AP) -- A package of bills sitting in a state Senate committee could free men from paying child support for children they did not father.

The proposals also would penalize a mother who deceives a man into believing he is the biological father of her child.

Traverse City dentist Damon Adams is pushing legislators to vote the bills -- passed last year by the state House -- into law.

Shortly after the end of his 25-year marriage, DNA tests proved Adams was not the father of the fourth child born to he and his wife.

"It was the worst feeling I've ever had to go through in my life," he told the Detroit Free Press for a Monday story.

Adams presented the DNA evidence to a judge, but was told to continue paying child support, which amounts to more than $18,000 a year.

He said the proposed legislation is in the best interest of children, who have a right to know their medical history.

"When something like this happens, the best way to heal is for the truth to come out," he said.

But Amy Zaagman, chief of staff for the chair of the state Senate Committee on Families, Mental Health and Human Services, said the bills -- which would allow men to keep parenting time with children -- raise serious questions.

"Here's someone who had a relationship with the child, established some responsibility for the child ... yet now he doesn't want to be responsible any more but wants parenting time?" she asked. "How does that benefit the child?"

Zaagman said committee Chairwoman Sen. Beverly Hammerstrom, R-Temperance, does not oppose the bills' concept, but has legal concerns.

For example, when a man who is not married signs paternity papers, he waives his right to a DNA test. If the man has any doubts, he should raise them before signing, not years later, Zaagman said.

John Ruff, 29, of Grand Rapids, said he believed his ex-girlfriend when she told him she was pregnant with his child more than eight years ago. So he signed the paternity papers, started paying child support and scheduled visitations.

Ruff requested a DNA test only after hearing rumors that the child was not his. Like Adams, Ruff presented evidence that he was not the father to a judge. He also was told to continue paying child support.

"I hate to say it, but the whole part where I went wrong was the part where I tried to stand up and be a man and take responsibility for what I thought was my daughter," said Ruff, who added that he has not seen the child since 1998.

"I should have been a jerk and tried to protest what (my ex-girlfriend) was saying."

Meri Anne Stowe, chairwoman of the Family Law Section of the State Bar of Michigan, said she can sympathize with men in such situations, but is more concerned about the children involved.

"We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children, and we don't want to impoverish a whole class of children," Stowe said. "We have to look at the greater good."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: dna; fraud
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To: BuddhaBoy
Welcome to the era of fee love.
21 posted on 12/09/2002 9:50:55 AM PST by jimkress
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To: CindyDawg
I prefer an all-or-nothing approach. If the man does not want to undertake any financial responsibility for the child, then he should not have any paternal rights.
22 posted on 12/09/2002 9:51:18 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: MEGoody
Did you read the article?

This stuff is happening mostly in married couples, not just singles.

I personally advise men to avoid marriage at all costs, because it (along with parentage) provide the state with all the nessesary means to enslave him.

23 posted on 12/09/2002 9:52:59 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: lilylangtree
So, according to your logic, if I'm in a bank when it's robbed, and the authorities can't find the robber, I should be forced to go to jail for the crime?

The end never justifies the means, no matter how appealing the end may be.

24 posted on 12/09/2002 9:54:00 AM PST by jimkress
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To: lilylangtree
Okay, I'll put you down on the side in favor of supporting Fraud "for the children".

Nice.

25 posted on 12/09/2002 9:54:34 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: lilylangtree
The child who is not to blame is being punished when the father backs away from his responsibilities of being a parent

So, a relationship based upon a deceitful lie is one that should be encouraged? Why should a man, betrayed by a woman, take the time and money out of his life to attempt to be a father to a child that is not his? He committed no crime. If I am the father, you may force me to pay child support.... but NO ONE may FORCE another to be a father. And again, the alleged father is the victim of fraud, and you are making him out to be the villian. The lying, deceitful mother is the felon.

26 posted on 12/09/2002 9:55:20 AM PST by Hodar
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To: Hodar
Precisely. It is the mother who is punishing the child, not the man deceived into believing he is the father.
27 posted on 12/09/2002 9:57:26 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: MEGoody
AMEN
28 posted on 12/09/2002 9:57:30 AM PST by Fee
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To: BuddhaBoy
This is one serious hangup you've got here. Two new threads on this subject in one day.
29 posted on 12/09/2002 9:57:48 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: lilylangtree
Many people adopt children and love and support adopted children. The adopted parent(s) are as much of parent(s) as the biological, even more so.

I agree with your sentiments that non-biological parents can be a loving, lasting family relationship. However, as any adopting parent can tell you, they KNEW the child was not their biological child. It's merely a case of informed consent.

30 posted on 12/09/2002 9:58:35 AM PST by Hodar
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To: jimkress
Welcome to the era of fee love.

Welcome? It has always existed. However, women are now making the mistake of letting it become public knowledge, allowing men to react in kind.

When relationships become more and more like retail shopping, men are going to care a lot more about the "quality and freshness" factors in their purchasing decisions.

Many women are going to be left on the shelves for being either too old, too picked over, too expensive, too big, too small, or with poor packaging and marketing.

31 posted on 12/09/2002 9:59:02 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: Mamzelle
I would expect YOU to call supporting THE LAW a hangup. Save your breath, troll. Or better yet, if you dont like it, you dont have to be here.
32 posted on 12/09/2002 10:00:28 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: Hodar
If a man is enjoying a woman's favors, chances are the kid COULD be his. Only the DNA knows for sure. I'm getting a real charge out of this perennial issue on FR--sure are a lot of enraged cuckholds on this forum!
33 posted on 12/09/2002 10:00:43 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: BuddhaBoy
There was a Mexican family in the neighborhood that was having a Black guy (not light at all) paying support for the daughter's child. The kicker was: the child was whiter than the mom. I didn't say nothing. Just smirked.
34 posted on 12/09/2002 10:00:54 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: Mamzelle
This is one serious hangup you've got here.

Let's see, a case of felonous fraud; a several clear cut cases where men are blackmailed (pay, or go to jail) into paying for children whom they did not father; and the poster has "one serious hangup"? Naturally, the problem is with the poster, not the law. < /sarcasm>

35 posted on 12/09/2002 10:01:53 AM PST by Hodar
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To: BuddhaBoy
I'm on the forum for the same reason almost everyone else is...for the entertainment and occasional elucidation.

So elucidate. WHAT is the big deal? What's it to ya?

I sorta don't think this is all about your overweening concern for your fellow fellows.

36 posted on 12/09/2002 10:02:37 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
Actually most of us are not cuckolds. I certainly am not. I am, however, tired of being the scapegoat for all social problems, and everybody's meal ticket.
37 posted on 12/09/2002 10:03:39 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: Mamzelle
If a man is enjoying a woman's favors,"

Thats what bothers you, isnt it? LOL! How dare a man ENJOY women! How dare we have sex with them WITHOUT promising to support them and their progeny for a couple of decades!

How DARE we like sex! Dont we know that we are SUPPOSED to PAY for it?!?!?

We do pay, dear. Every time we come across a man-hating shrew like you.

38 posted on 12/09/2002 10:05:37 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: Hodar
There was a guy here in alaska that worked for my husband, who beleived he was the father of a 2 year old little boy. The mother and he had split and she told him he was the daddy, along with child welfare. He paid child support for a few years and only saw the child when the mom had "dates". Turns out two other men had been told they were the father also. When the blank hit the fan, all three men went through paternity testing. None were the father. Child welfare last we saw of the guy was still making him pay child support. He hasn't been able to see the child because he lost all visitation rights when the paternity test was done. But still was made to pay. Now that's crazy.
39 posted on 12/09/2002 10:06:41 AM PST by knak
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To: Dimensio
Hmm. I thought that was what I was saying. I just don't think he should legally be made to do so. That just causes resentment and will hurt the child. However if he does so from the goodness of his heart, then maybe he and the children will heal.
40 posted on 12/09/2002 10:07:38 AM PST by CindyDawg
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